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Posted by jonhed on August 9, 2016, at 3:24:57
I had a relapse and it's hard to come back to the normal state of my mind.
I just wanted to let you guys know.I have such anxiety cause i was going to see my mother who lives 750km away from me and celebrate her birth day, and instead i came there all cranked up on meth..
Well, i've been sober for a week now and i'm not touching that sh*t again, but after over a year sober it really gets to you.
Oh, i feel so bad i can't even describe, but i have my medications left and that i'm thankful for.
But it's my last chance..Will write more about it when i feel a little bit better.
Kind regards / J
Posted by Lamdage22 on August 9, 2016, at 7:33:12
In reply to relapse.., posted by jonhed on August 9, 2016, at 3:24:57
Im sorry you feel like this. Drugs are very bad, especially for someone already mentally ill.
Hang in there.
Posted by shadowtom2 on August 9, 2016, at 21:36:47
In reply to relapse.., posted by jonhed on August 9, 2016, at 3:24:57
I hope that you'll find yourself feeling at least somewhat better soon, John. I'd imagine that it probably feels discouraging to have relapsed after having not used methamphetamine for more than a year, but I think that putting together a new chapter in your recovery journey is something that you can achieve. I wish you luck as you move forward.
Tom (the former Tomatheus)
Posted by Lou Pilder on August 10, 2016, at 6:39:47
In reply to relapse.., posted by jonhed on August 9, 2016, at 3:24:57
> I had a relapse and it's hard to come back to the normal state of my mind.
> I just wanted to let you guys know.
>
> I have such anxiety cause i was going to see my mother who lives 750km away from me and celebrate her birth day, and instead i came there all cranked up on meth..
>
> Well, i've been sober for a week now and i'm not touching that sh*t again, but after over a year sober it really gets to you.
>
> Oh, i feel so bad i can't even describe, but i have my medications left and that i'm thankful for.
> But it's my last chance..
>
> Will write more about it when i feel a little bit better.
>
> Kind regards / JFriends,
Look at the tragedy being perpetrated here by Mr. Hsiung and those members in concert with him. You could be seriously misled by Mr. Hsiung here as reading this could mislead you to think that these drugs being legal or not are supportive to be taken by him.
Mr. Hsiung calls these mind-altering chemicals "medicines", but they really are drugs that can lead you to your death or addiction or life-ruining conditions. For they do not treat a disease or cure. They kill thousands of people each month.
You see, the drugs control the taker of the drug by compelling the person to take them by a mechanism well-known for thousands of years. The old shamans and sorcerers controlled people by having them take these drugs that compel the user to return to them by addiction. One of the worst drugs is methamphetamine. Here, the drug can be seen as being promoted by Mr. Hsiung as he does not intercede here to post a repudiation to the member posting that he uses the illegal drug. This could seriously mislead you to think that he is promoting illegal drugs as being safer than they really are and innocent children reading here could have a life-time of misery from reading here from Mr. Hsiung's allowing death to prevail here Oh, the horrors of this site.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on August 10, 2016, at 6:50:30
In reply to Lou's urgent warning-the horrors of amphetamine, posted by Lou Pilder on August 10, 2016, at 6:39:47
> > I had a relapse and it's hard to come back to the normal state of my mind.
> > I just wanted to let you guys know.
> >
> > I have such anxiety cause i was going to see my mother who lives 750km away from me and celebrate her birth day, and instead i came there all cranked up on meth..
> >
> > Well, i've been sober for a week now and i'm not touching that sh*t again, but after over a year sober it really gets to you.
> >
> > Oh, i feel so bad i can't even describe, but i have my medications left and that i'm thankful for.
> > But it's my last chance..
> >
> > Will write more about it when i feel a little bit better.
> >
> > Kind regards / J
>
> Friends,
> Look at the tragedy being perpetrated here by Mr. Hsiung and those members in concert with him. You could be seriously misled by Mr. Hsiung here as reading this could mislead you to think that these drugs being legal or not are supportive to be taken by him.
> Mr. Hsiung calls these mind-altering chemicals "medicines", but they really are drugs that can lead you to your death or addiction or life-ruining conditions. For they do not treat a disease or cure. They kill thousands of people each month.
> You see, the drugs control the taker of the drug by compelling the person to take them by a mechanism well-known for thousands of years. The old shamans and sorcerers controlled people by having them take these drugs that compel the user to return to them by addiction. One of the worst drugs is methamphetamine. Here, the drug can be seen as being promoted by Mr. Hsiung as he does not intercede here to post a repudiation to the member posting that he uses the illegal drug. This could seriously mislead you to think that he is promoting illegal drugs as being safer than they really are and innocent children reading here could have a life-time of misery from reading here from Mr. Hsiung's allowing death to prevail here Oh, the horrors of this site.
> LouFriends,
Be not deceived. Methamphetamine could cause addiction and death. And worse, many of the drugs promoted by psychiatry are really off-shoots of methamphetamine. Do you really think that these drugs are good because a psychiatrist here is promoting them as "medicines" when they do not treat aa disease or cure?
Lou
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=at3Sg6qvgTE
Posted by Lou Pilder on August 10, 2016, at 7:01:32
In reply to Lou's urgent warning-the horrors of amphetamine-m, posted by Lou Pilder on August 10, 2016, at 6:50:30
> > > I had a relapse and it's hard to come back to the normal state of my mind.
> > > I just wanted to let you guys know.
> > >
> > > I have such anxiety cause i was going to see my mother who lives 750km away from me and celebrate her birth day, and instead i came there all cranked up on meth..
> > >
> > > Well, i've been sober for a week now and i'm not touching that sh*t again, but after over a year sober it really gets to you.
> > >
> > > Oh, i feel so bad i can't even describe, but i have my medications left and that i'm thankful for.
> > > But it's my last chance..
> > >
> > > Will write more about it when i feel a little bit better.
> > >
> > > Kind regards / J
> >
> > Friends,
> > Look at the tragedy being perpetrated here by Mr. Hsiung and those members in concert with him. You could be seriously misled by Mr. Hsiung here as reading this could mislead you to think that these drugs being legal or not are supportive to be taken by him.
> > Mr. Hsiung calls these mind-altering chemicals "medicines", but they really are drugs that can lead you to your death or addiction or life-ruining conditions. For they do not treat a disease or cure. They kill thousands of people each month.
> > You see, the drugs control the taker of the drug by compelling the person to take them by a mechanism well-known for thousands of years. The old shamans and sorcerers controlled people by having them take these drugs that compel the user to return to them by addiction. One of the worst drugs is methamphetamine. Here, the drug can be seen as being promoted by Mr. Hsiung as he does not intercede here to post a repudiation to the member posting that he uses the illegal drug. This could seriously mislead you to think that he is promoting illegal drugs as being safer than they really are and innocent children reading here could have a life-time of misery from reading here from Mr. Hsiung's allowing death to prevail here Oh, the horrors of this site.
> > Lou
>
> Friends,
> Be not deceived. Methamphetamine could cause addiction and death. And worse, many of the drugs promoted by psychiatry are really off-shoots of methamphetamine. Do you really think that these drugs are good because a psychiatrist here is promoting them as "medicines" when they do not treat aa disease or cure?
> Lou
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=at3Sg6qvgTEFriends,
This site can contribute to your death of a life-time of misery for you and anyone that you are in charge of such as your children. Be not o fool to be sucked into the vortex of death from here as these drugs are being promoted as being supportive by a psychiatrist. This shows the level of concern that he has for your life and well-being. And worse, he allows hatred to abound in the form of defamation against me and the allowing of anti-Semitic propaganda to be seen as being supportive.
Lou
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHmoSrZW5pY
Posted by zonked on August 10, 2016, at 9:12:02
In reply to relapse.., posted by jonhed on August 9, 2016, at 3:24:57
Do they have SMART recovery where you are?
www.smartrecovery.orgCheck it out, it's really helped me. Use your lapse or relapse as a learning experience. Don't beat yourself up.
-z
> I had a relapse and it's hard to come back to the normal state of my mind.
> I just wanted to let you guys know.
>
> I have such anxiety cause i was going to see my mother who lives 750km away from me and celebrate her birth day, and instead i came there all cranked up on meth..
>
> Well, i've been sober for a week now and i'm not touching that sh*t again, but after over a year sober it really gets to you.
>
> Oh, i feel so bad i can't even describe, but i have my medications left and that i'm thankful for.
> But it's my last chance..
>
> Will write more about it when i feel a little bit better.
>
> Kind regards / J
Posted by Jeroen on August 10, 2016, at 10:47:27
In reply to relapse.., posted by jonhed on August 9, 2016, at 3:24:57
hey sorry to hear man, i'm not doing well either these days i think the pro biotic is making me sicker these days, been on it for couple of months
Posted by Lou Pilder on August 10, 2016, at 11:01:10
In reply to Lou's urgent warning-the horrors of amphetamine-m, posted by Lou Pilder on August 10, 2016, at 7:01:32
> > > > I had a relapse and it's hard to come back to the normal state of my mind.
> > > > I just wanted to let you guys know.
> > > >
> > > > I have such anxiety cause i was going to see my mother who lives 750km away from me and celebrate her birth day, and instead i came there all cranked up on meth..
> > > >
> > > > Well, i've been sober for a week now and i'm not touching that sh*t again, but after over a year sober it really gets to you.
> > > >
> > > > Oh, i feel so bad i can't even describe, but i have my medications left and that i'm thankful for.
> > > > But it's my last chance..
> > > >
> > > > Will write more about it when i feel a little bit better.
> > > >
> > > > Kind regards / J
> > >
> > > Friends,
> > > Look at the tragedy being perpetrated here by Mr. Hsiung and those members in concert with him. You could be seriously misled by Mr. Hsiung here as reading this could mislead you to think that these drugs being legal or not are supportive to be taken by him.
> > > Mr. Hsiung calls these mind-altering chemicals "medicines", but they really are drugs that can lead you to your death or addiction or life-ruining conditions. For they do not treat a disease or cure. They kill thousands of people each month.
> > > You see, the drugs control the taker of the drug by compelling the person to take them by a mechanism well-known for thousands of years. The old shamans and sorcerers controlled people by having them take these drugs that compel the user to return to them by addiction. One of the worst drugs is methamphetamine. Here, the drug can be seen as being promoted by Mr. Hsiung as he does not intercede here to post a repudiation to the member posting that he uses the illegal drug. This could seriously mislead you to think that he is promoting illegal drugs as being safer than they really are and innocent children reading here could have a life-time of misery from reading here from Mr. Hsiung's allowing death to prevail here Oh, the horrors of this site.
> > > Lou
> >
> > Friends,
> > Be not deceived. Methamphetamine could cause addiction and death. And worse, many of the drugs promoted by psychiatry are really off-shoots of methamphetamine. Do you really think that these drugs are good because a psychiatrist here is promoting them as "medicines" when they do not treat aa disease or cure?
> > Lou
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=at3Sg6qvgTE
>
> Friends,
> This site can contribute to your death of a life-time of misery for you and anyone that you are in charge of such as your children. Be not o fool to be sucked into the vortex of death from here as these drugs are being promoted as being supportive by a psychiatrist. This shows the level of concern that he has for your life and well-being. And worse, he allows hatred to abound in the form of defamation against me and the allowing of anti-Semitic propaganda to be seen as being supportive.
> Lou
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHmoSrZW5pYFriends,
I would not give you false hope. But the psychiatrist here calls mind-altering chemicals used in the commission of mass-murder that kill thousand of people every month, "medicines."
They are not medicines because they do not treat a disease nor cure.
The posters here that advocate more drugs could seriously mislead you to think that there is hope in those chemicals that addict and kill. And look here what these drugs are doing to those that have been duped to think that their hope is in drugs.
I say to you that to have life one can eat of the fruit from the Tree of Life. And those that put their hope in drugs could be eating of the fruit of the Tree of Death. For millions have been killed so far by these drugs and sites like this could lead others to the same fate.
Take this opportunity to find the hope that heals. I can show you to the path to the Tree of Life and you could drink of the Waters of Life freely.
Lou
Posted by jonhed on August 10, 2016, at 11:46:08
In reply to Re: relapse.., posted by Jeroen on August 10, 2016, at 10:47:27
Thanks for everyone's support.
I'm going to move slowly forward and try to not beat up myself and not make drastic decisions now until i am fully recovered.My talk about nootropics is just my "drug-brain" talking, i won't buy any of them yet.
3 weeks, then i will make a decision how i want to have it.
Thanks everyone, it means so much that you are so encouraging.
LOVE / J
Posted by SLS on August 10, 2016, at 13:43:16
In reply to Re: relapse.. » jonhed, posted by zonked on August 10, 2016, at 9:12:02
> Do they have SMART recovery where you are?
> www.smartrecovery.org
>
> Check it out, it's really helped me. Use your lapse or relapse as a learning experience. Don't beat yourself up.
>
> -z
I agree. I have been around some MICA people who had a philosophy about relapsing. They said that today is the first day of your new period of abstinence. There is no castigation for the past, only encouragement for the future.
- Scott
Posted by jonhed on August 11, 2016, at 14:34:26
In reply to Re: relapse.., posted by SLS on August 10, 2016, at 13:43:16
Thanks, i started work today and that felt great to not sit in my department and hate on myself.
So i'm going to work 50%, (4 hours and 45 minutes lunch) per day now, 5 days a week, and i think that is the key to be sober.
Sitting in my department and feeling bad for myself wont help me at all..
Thanks all!
and no we don't have smartrecovery here in sweden, but i have support :-)
Posted by jonhed on August 11, 2016, at 14:36:18
In reply to Re: relapse.., posted by jonhed on August 11, 2016, at 14:34:26
And i must say that memantine are working wonders for feeling clear faster than i use to before when i have relapsed.
I really like memantine and i'm so happy that i have given it a real trial, and it was the best decision that i have made!
Posted by SLS on August 11, 2016, at 17:11:29
In reply to Re: relapse.., posted by jonhed on August 11, 2016, at 14:36:18
> And i must say that memantine are working wonders for feeling clear faster than i use to before when i have relapsed.
> I really like memantine and i'm so happy that i have given it a real trial, and it was the best decision that i have made!Woohoo!
I know how hard it was for you to continue any one treatment. I'm glad the memantine is doing so much good for you.
- Scott
Posted by rjlockhart37 on August 11, 2016, at 21:53:23
In reply to Re: relapse.., posted by SLS on August 10, 2016, at 13:43:16
i've done methamphetamine many times, i loved it but i realized after it wore off i would do anything to get it, and even today i just know what short period of time of intense euphoria where you come alive and feel in control, there will be, then the aftermath.....when you feel like sh*t and will do anything to get it
methamphetamine makes me hyper-focused, i can do tasks and research for hours without getting bored, you feel powerful-minded, things that make me bored while sober, on methamphemine it makes everything interesting and gives that feeling of everything is going be ok.....then it wears off and feel like sh*t
Narcotic's Anonymous (NA) is an option joining the 12 step program to get envolved with other people, it's a great support system where you will meet addicts, and substance abusers who will encourage you to stay sober
street methamphetamine is more intense than desoxyn because of the hit it provides and higher doses
Posted by Horse on August 12, 2016, at 0:35:54
In reply to relapse.., posted by jonhed on August 9, 2016, at 3:24:57
Hey J you're in my thoughts. I'm glad to hear you'll not beat yourself up, AND that you're getting out of your apartment. Getting out and doing something, working, that's good.
Posted by linkadge on August 12, 2016, at 17:14:14
In reply to Lou's urgent warning-the horrors of amphetamine-m, posted by Lou Pilder on August 10, 2016, at 7:01:32
Lou,
You're wrong. It's that simple.
Linkadge
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