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Dr. Bob is Robert Hsiung, MD,
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Posted by SLS on March 11, 2016, at 6:32:18
Is there any chance that we can keep "Lou's" name out of the subject line? To not do so allows Lou Pilder to knowingly litter the board with his graffiti. It is a strategy that works for him, as he wants to sabotage the board. He has been successful.
I know it takes extra work, but to rewrite the subject line when you reply helps keep Psycho-Babble relevant. People passing through see "Lou's reply..." in 1/2 of the subject lines. Who would want to post and look for help on such a board?
- Scott
Posted by Lamdage22 on March 11, 2016, at 7:21:55
In reply to Keep 'Lou' out., posted by SLS on March 11, 2016, at 6:32:18
Yes we can :)
> Is there any chance that we can keep "Lou's" name out of the subject line? To not do so allows Lou Pilder to knowingly litter the board with his graffiti. It is a strategy that works for him, as he wants to sabotage the board. He has been successful.
>
> I know it takes extra work, but to rewrite the subject line when you reply helps keep Psycho-Babble relevant. People passing through see "Lou's reply..." in 1/2 of the subject lines. Who would want to post and look for help on such a board?
>
>
> - Scott
>
Posted by Phillipa on March 11, 2016, at 8:14:15
In reply to Re: Keep 'Lou' out., posted by Lamdage22 on March 11, 2016, at 7:21:55
I wouldn't and haven't lately. Phillipa
Posted by J Kelly on March 11, 2016, at 8:53:03
In reply to Keep 'Lou' out., posted by SLS on March 11, 2016, at 6:32:18
> Is there any chance that we can keep "Lou's" name out of the subject line? To not do so allows Lou Pilder to knowingly litter the board with his graffiti. It is a strategy that works for him, as he wants to sabotage the board. He has been successful.
>
> I know it takes extra work, but to rewrite the subject line when you reply helps keep Psycho-Babble relevant. People passing through see "Lou's reply..." in 1/2 of the subject lines. Who would want to post and look for help on such a board?
>
>
> - Scott
>I can do that :)
Jade
Posted by B2chica on March 14, 2016, at 14:30:13
In reply to Keep 'Lou' out., posted by SLS on March 11, 2016, at 6:32:18
that would be helpful as anything with his name attached i dont even look at.
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 20, 2016, at 9:19:03
In reply to Keep 'Lou' out., posted by SLS on March 11, 2016, at 6:32:18
> Is there any chance that we can keep "Lou's" name out of the subject line? To not do so allows Lou Pilder to knowingly litter the board with his graffiti. It is a strategy that works for him, as he wants to sabotage the board. He has been successful.
>
> I know it takes extra work, but to rewrite the subject line when you reply helps keep Psycho-Babble relevant. People passing through see "Lou's reply..." in 1/2 of the subject lines. Who would want to post and look for help on such a board?
>
>
> - Scott
>
Friends,
Be not deceived. Mr. Hsiung is allowing this horrible hate posted against me here by Scott to be seen here as being supportive. And worse, that by him allowing it he thinks that it will be good for his community as a whole. But so what? If it is going to be good for Mr. Hsiung's community as a whole, that does not mean that it will be good for you or your child that you are trying to make a more-informed decision as to drug him/her in collaboration with a psychiatrist.
There have been those that have said that genocide will be good for their community as a whole , or racism, or infanticide or segregation. So what the hell does being good for the community as a whole have to do with your mental health? Can you not see what is plainly visible here?
Look at the horrible hatred posted against me here with impunity by Mr. Hsiung. Scott write,[...Lou litters the board with his graffiti...he wants to sabotage the board...who would want to post and look for help if they see Lou's name in 1/2 the subject lines?...].
Friends, the accusations and defamation here against me by Scott could cause you to have hostile and disagreeable opinions and feelings against me as Mr. Hsiung is allowing the accusations to be seen as being civil. Oh, what a farce. But it is much worse than that. For you could be seriously misled to accept the combination of Scott's defamation against me standing as to discard what I am saying that could cause your death or the death of your child that you are wanting information here to decide what to do. And if your child is killed by these drugs being promoted here, their blood will not be upon me.
Lou
Posted by J Kelly on March 20, 2016, at 20:05:26
In reply to Lou's response-horrible hatred seen as supportive » SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on March 20, 2016, at 9:19:03
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 21, 2016, at 10:13:33
In reply to It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood (nm), posted by J Kelly on March 20, 2016, at 20:05:26
Posted by J Kelly on March 21, 2016, at 15:50:47
In reply to won't you be my neighbor (nm) » J Kelly, posted by Lou Pilder on March 21, 2016, at 10:13:33
Posted by elanor roosevelt on March 21, 2016, at 21:48:57
In reply to Keep 'Lou' out., posted by SLS on March 11, 2016, at 6:32:18
why don't we just shun him
don't read don't react?
Posted by J Kelly on March 21, 2016, at 22:19:32
In reply to Re: Keep 'Lou' out., posted by elanor roosevelt on March 21, 2016, at 21:48:57
> why don't we just shun him
>
> don't read don't react?Because he frightens/upsets/and chases away new posters.
So I think the current policy is to ignore ignore ignore unless it involves a new poster.
Jade
Posted by Tabitha on March 23, 2016, at 5:33:17
In reply to Re: Keep trolls out » elanor roosevelt, posted by J Kelly on March 21, 2016, at 22:19:32
I wonder what newcomers will think if they see us shunning or attacking a poster that is obviously not doing well with their condition. Would that make them afraid that we would shun or attack them if they were off their meds? It might frighten them to see that.
Do you think we can contradict the anti-psychiatry stuff while keeping in mind that someone who posts so much of it is probably struggling?
I don't think anything we do will change or limit the posting. These posts have been going on for years, with only minor variations. Thus I think we are better off trying to preserve as supportive of an atmosphere as possible.
Posted by SLS on March 23, 2016, at 6:48:14
In reply to Re: how to respond to unusual posts, posted by Tabitha on March 23, 2016, at 5:33:17
All I asked is that people be mindful of the subject line. I hope you understand why.
- Scott
Posted by Tabitha on March 23, 2016, at 16:30:56
In reply to Re: how to respond to unusual posts » Tabitha, posted by SLS on March 23, 2016, at 6:48:14
> All I asked is that people be mindful of the subject line. I hope you understand why.
>
>
> - ScottYes, I do understand. I regret posting what I did. It's really not my business to try to influence anyone regarding how they interact with unusual posters. People have surely already tried what I suggested.
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 23, 2016, at 16:50:10
In reply to Re: poster's regret » SLS, posted by Tabitha on March 23, 2016, at 16:30:56
> > All I asked is that people be mindful of the subject line. I hope you understand why.
> >
> >
> > - Scott
>
> Yes, I do understand. I regret posting what I did. It's really not my business to try to influence anyone regarding how they interact with unusual posters. People have surely already tried what I suggested.
>
> Friends, be not deceived.
Scott has initiated inciting accusations about my character here drawing into the hate those ignorant of how anti-Semitism is created and developed in a community. The defamation is allowed by Mr. Hsiung here as he gives Scott immunity from his enforcement policy which inflicts emotional harm upon me over and over as the posts by him are read by new posters vulnerable to the psychiatrist's TOS here that he says that he is doing what will be good for his community as a whole in his thinking by allowing hate to be seen as being supportive.
But behold! A member comes forward here and sees the hate being allowed and steps out of the pack of those that throw stones at me here to want to be known that she does not want to contribute to the harm done to me by Mr. Hsiung and his members in concert with him that defame me here. This generation shall not pass until all that I have said is fulfilled. For as the sun comes out of the East and sets in the West, so shall the truth that exposes the hate shine here so that lives can be saved and addictions and life-ruining conditions will be prevented. All it takes is one person to challenge the hate in a community to stop Mr. Hsiung and Scott and the pack creating and developing anti-Semitic feelings.
Lou
Posted by Tabitha on March 23, 2016, at 19:01:51
In reply to Lou's response-shall arise » Tabitha, posted by Lou Pilder on March 23, 2016, at 16:50:10
Lou, I don't think you're being fair to Scott when you talk to him in a way that could lead him to think you are accusing him of anti-Semitism.
I am glad you saw my words as supportive, or at least non-hateful. If you want to get more supportive replies from posters here, you can do far more than I or anyone else could do to influence people. Here are some ideas. Maybe you could act on at least one of them?
1. act on the request to stop changing subject lines to "Lou's reply". People can see that your name appears in the subject line as the poster. There is no need to also put your name in the subject line.
2. every now and then, try to make a post that doesn't mention anti-Semitism
3. talk about yourself so that people may better know you. some ideas:
- Did you go outside today? What did you see?
- What did you have for lunch?
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 23, 2016, at 20:11:58
In reply to Re: reducing the discord » Lou Pilder, posted by Tabitha on March 23, 2016, at 19:01:51
> Lou, I don't think you're being fair to Scott when you talk to him in a way that could lead him to think you are accusing him of anti-Semitism.
>
> I am glad you saw my words as supportive, or at least non-hateful. If you want to get more supportive replies from posters here, you can do far more than I or anyone else could do to influence people. Here are some ideas. Maybe you could act on at least one of them?
>
> 1. act on the request to stop changing subject lines to "Lou's reply". People can see that your name appears in the subject line as the poster. There is no need to also put your name in the subject line.
>
> 2. every now and then, try to make a post that doesn't mention anti-Semitism
>
> 3. talk about yourself so that people may better know you. some ideas:
> - Did you go outside today? What did you see?
> - What did you have for lunch?
>
> Tabitha,
You wrote about anti-Semitism here. It is much more than anti-Semitic epithets being allowed in a community that creates and develops anti-Semitism. Anti-Semitism can be created and developed by historical tactics that you do not need to be a mastermind to do. Here, I see right through these tactics but others may be ignorant of them. Here is a list of the ones that are used in communities, schools, workplaces, universities ect. I would like for you to look at these.
Lou
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20080719/msgs/844756.html
Posted by Tabitha on March 24, 2016, at 0:38:42
In reply to Lou's reply-creating and developing anti-Semitism » Tabitha, posted by Lou Pilder on March 23, 2016, at 20:11:58
> > Tabitha,
> You wrote about anti-Semitism here. It is much more than anti-Semitic epithets being allowed in a community that creates and develops anti-Semitism. Anti-Semitism can be created and developed by historical tactics that you do not need to be a mastermind to do. Here, I see right through these tactics but others may be ignorant of them. Here is a list of the ones that are used in communities, schools, workplaces, universities ect. I would like for you to look at these.
> Lou
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20080719/msgs/844756.html
>
>OK, I read your list. I guess I can see how you would think some of these things match what you experience here at babble:
> B. Punishing a Jew or Jews for their unique beliefs or for their refusal to accept the claimes of Christianity.
> C. Having an attitude or even a policy directed toward a Jew or Jews as a people
> D. Placing a restriction on a Jew in a community while not enforcing that same restriction on others.
> E. Using a Jew or the Jewish people as a scapegoat for problems in a community.
> F. Fueling anti-Semitic feelings by allowing ideology that purports that one faith is superior to the Jewish faith.Yes these things, if they happen, *could possibly be* symptoms of anti-Semitism in a community. But they could also be:
1. Persons of other faiths think their faiths are superior to all faiths, including the Jewish faith. Thus, stating the superiority of their faith is not necessarily anti-Semitism.
2. Persons might not like or agree with the statements of a particular person who happens to be Jewish. Reacting from this disagreement is not necessarily anti-Semitism.It's like, I am a female person. Sometimes people disagree with me, insult me, ignore me, or otherwise lead me to feel put down. But it doesn't follow that they hate female persons in general. It's possible they do, but I can't really know that, and it's not generally helpful to accuse people of misogyny.
So what I am saying Lou, is that you are more than just a Jewish person. You are a human person too, and it's possible that some conflict you face has nothing to do with Jewishness. Also, sometimes it is good to set aside one goal (warning people about anti-Semitism) in favor of a different goal, such as making friends, or exchanging information with people with similar interests.
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 24, 2016, at 7:16:37
In reply to Re: creating and developing anti-Semitism » Lou Pilder, posted by Tabitha on March 24, 2016, at 0:38:42
> > > Tabitha,
> > You wrote about anti-Semitism here. It is much more than anti-Semitic epithets being allowed in a community that creates and develops anti-Semitism. Anti-Semitism can be created and developed by historical tactics that you do not need to be a mastermind to do. Here, I see right through these tactics but others may be ignorant of them. Here is a list of the ones that are used in communities, schools, workplaces, universities ect. I would like for you to look at these.
> > Lou
> > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20080719/msgs/844756.html
> >
> >
>
> OK, I read your list. I guess I can see how you would think some of these things match what you experience here at babble:
>
> > B. Punishing a Jew or Jews for their unique beliefs or for their refusal to accept the claimes of Christianity.
> > C. Having an attitude or even a policy directed toward a Jew or Jews as a people
> > D. Placing a restriction on a Jew in a community while not enforcing that same restriction on others.
> > E. Using a Jew or the Jewish people as a scapegoat for problems in a community.
> > F. Fueling anti-Semitic feelings by allowing ideology that purports that one faith is superior to the Jewish faith.
>
> Yes these things, if they happen, *could possibly be* symptoms of anti-Semitism in a community. But they could also be:
>
> 1. Persons of other faiths think their faiths are superior to all faiths, including the Jewish faith. Thus, stating the superiority of their faith is not necessarily anti-Semitism.
> 2. Persons might not like or agree with the statements of a particular person who happens to be Jewish. Reacting from this disagreement is not necessarily anti-Semitism.
>
> It's like, I am a female person. Sometimes people disagree with me, insult me, ignore me, or otherwise lead me to feel put down. But it doesn't follow that they hate female persons in general. It's possible they do, but I can't really know that, and it's not generally helpful to accuse people of misogyny.
>
> So what I am saying Lou, is that you are more than just a Jewish person. You are a human person too, and it's possible that some conflict you face has nothing to do with Jewishness. Also, sometimes it is good to set aside one goal (warning people about anti-Semitism) in favor of a different goal, such as making friends, or exchanging information with people with similar interests.
>
Tabitha,
You wrote in a sense that what is posted that defames me here could be motivated by other intent than anti-Semitism. In order to understand how that tactic can be exposed to be nothing more than a transparent attempt to advance hatred toward the Jews, other posts by the individuals can be compared as to indicate their intent. In Scott's case, let us look at this:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20130903/msgs/1055904.html
Mr. Hsiung allowed Scott to post the anti-Semitic statement used for centuries to commit mass-murder against Jews by refusing to post his tag line to be civil where Scott originally posted it. This hateful revulsion allowed by Mr. Hsiung turns my stomach. But it is much worse than that. For the dehumanization of the Jews allowed to be seen in Scott's statement directed against me, allows readers to think that Mr. Hsiung is validating the hate. And worse, that by Mr. Hsiung allowing it, readers could think that it will be good for this community as a whole because it is in Mr. Hsiung's thinking that it will. This sets up more hatred toward the Jews to be allowed as readers could see that Scott is exempt from Mr. Hsiung's enforcement policy so they could join Scott in a pack of Jew-haters to inflict emotional pain upon me because they see that if he is exempt and allowed to post anti-Semitic hate toward me here, then so shall they also be, and inflict more emotional distress upon me as is plainly visible here in the ganging up on me by many posters revering Scott and joining in with him in his defamation of me here all allowed by Mr. Hsiung. This is what Mr. Hsiung is promoting here as being supportive for he states that being supportive takes precedence. What has been precedence by leaders that foster hatred toward the Jews is in the historical record.
Never again.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 24, 2016, at 9:22:39
In reply to Re: how to respond to unusual posts » Tabitha, posted by SLS on March 23, 2016, at 6:48:14
> All I asked is that people be mindful of the subject line. I hope you understand why.
>
>
> - ScottFriends, Be not deceived.
Let us look at this post.
Lou
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20150901/msgs/1082357.html
Posted by Phillipa on March 24, 2016, at 9:47:26
In reply to Lou's reply-never again » Tabitha, posted by Lou Pilder on March 24, 2016, at 7:16:37
Lou knock it off. No time for this same thing over and over again. You wish to be ignored? Okay done. Phillipa
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 24, 2016, at 9:47:54
In reply to Lou's reply-never again » Tabitha, posted by Lou Pilder on March 24, 2016, at 7:16:37
> > > > Tabitha,
> > > You wrote about anti-Semitism here. It is much more than anti-Semitic epithets being allowed in a community that creates and develops anti-Semitism. Anti-Semitism can be created and developed by historical tactics that you do not need to be a mastermind to do. Here, I see right through these tactics but others may be ignorant of them. Here is a list of the ones that are used in communities, schools, workplaces, universities ect. I would like for you to look at these.
> > > Lou
> > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20080719/msgs/844756.html
> > >
> > >
> >
> > OK, I read your list. I guess I can see how you would think some of these things match what you experience here at babble:
> >
> > > B. Punishing a Jew or Jews for their unique beliefs or for their refusal to accept the claimes of Christianity.
> > > C. Having an attitude or even a policy directed toward a Jew or Jews as a people
> > > D. Placing a restriction on a Jew in a community while not enforcing that same restriction on others.
> > > E. Using a Jew or the Jewish people as a scapegoat for problems in a community.
> > > F. Fueling anti-Semitic feelings by allowing ideology that purports that one faith is superior to the Jewish faith.
> >
> > Yes these things, if they happen, *could possibly be* symptoms of anti-Semitism in a community. But they could also be:
> >
> > 1. Persons of other faiths think their faiths are superior to all faiths, including the Jewish faith. Thus, stating the superiority of their faith is not necessarily anti-Semitism.
> > 2. Persons might not like or agree with the statements of a particular person who happens to be Jewish. Reacting from this disagreement is not necessarily anti-Semitism.
> >
> > It's like, I am a female person. Sometimes people disagree with me, insult me, ignore me, or otherwise lead me to feel put down. But it doesn't follow that they hate female persons in general. It's possible they do, but I can't really know that, and it's not generally helpful to accuse people of misogyny.
> >
> > So what I am saying Lou, is that you are more than just a Jewish person. You are a human person too, and it's possible that some conflict you face has nothing to do with Jewishness. Also, sometimes it is good to set aside one goal (warning people about anti-Semitism) in favor of a different goal, such as making friends, or exchanging information with people with similar interests.
> >
> Tabitha,
> You wrote in a sense that what is posted that defames me here could be motivated by other intent than anti-Semitism. In order to understand how that tactic can be exposed to be nothing more than a transparent attempt to advance hatred toward the Jews, other posts by the individuals can be compared as to indicate their intent. In Scott's case, let us look at this:
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20130903/msgs/1055904.html
> Mr. Hsiung allowed Scott to post the anti-Semitic statement used for centuries to commit mass-murder against Jews by refusing to post his tag line to be civil where Scott originally posted it. This hateful revulsion allowed by Mr. Hsiung turns my stomach. But it is much worse than that. For the dehumanization of the Jews allowed to be seen in Scott's statement directed against me, allows readers to think that Mr. Hsiung is validating the hate. And worse, that by Mr. Hsiung allowing it, readers could think that it will be good for this community as a whole because it is in Mr. Hsiung's thinking that it will. This sets up more hatred toward the Jews to be allowed as readers could see that Scott is exempt from Mr. Hsiung's enforcement policy so they could join Scott in a pack of Jew-haters to inflict emotional pain upon me because they see that if he is exempt and allowed to post anti-Semitic hate toward me here, then so shall they also be, and inflict more emotional distress upon me as is plainly visible here in the ganging up on me by many posters revering Scott and joining in with him in his defamation of me here all allowed by Mr. Hsiung. This is what Mr. Hsiung is promoting here as being supportive for he states that being supportive takes precedence. What has been precedence by leaders that foster hatred toward the Jews is in the historical record.
> Never again.
> Lou
>
> Tabitha,
Let us also look at this:
Lou.... http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20130109/msgs/1042409.html
Posted by Tabitha on March 24, 2016, at 15:26:38
In reply to Lou's reply-never again » Tabitha, posted by Lou Pilder on March 24, 2016, at 7:16:37
> let us look at this:
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20130903/msgs/1055904.html
> Mr. Hsiung allowed Scott to post the anti-Semitic statement used for centuries to commit mass-murder against Jews by refusing to post his tag line to be civil where Scott originally posted it.Viewed in context of a long and contentious thread, I'm not sure of the intent when Scott said "Save yourself first. Jewish people convert to Christianity all the time." One possibility is that he was frustrated by the discussion and was teasing you. Another is that he was making a witty remark as a way of connecting with others, without necessarily intending to offend you. Or it's possible he is Christian and was inviting you to convert, because he thinks the Christian faith is the best. Regardless, none of those motivations necessarily demonstrate anti-Semitism.
I am afraid nothing I say will succeed in helping you to see other possibilities than anti-Semitism in people's interactions with you. It makes me wonder then, do you know of any other websites were you see less anti-Semitism?
Posted by Tabitha on March 24, 2016, at 16:10:32
In reply to Lou's reply-never again » Tabitha, posted by Lou Pilder on March 24, 2016, at 7:16:37
> let us look at this:
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20130903/msgs/1055904.htmlWhile you are reviewing that thread, perhaps you should take a look at this post as well
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20130903/msgs/1052380.html
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 24, 2016, at 16:12:32
In reply to Re: never again » Lou Pilder, posted by Tabitha on March 24, 2016, at 15:26:38
> > let us look at this:
> > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20130903/msgs/1055904.html
> > Mr. Hsiung allowed Scott to post the anti-Semitic statement used for centuries to commit mass-murder against Jews by refusing to post his tag line to be civil where Scott originally posted it.
>
> Viewed in context of a long and contentious thread, I'm not sure of the intent when Scott said "Save yourself first. Jewish people convert to Christianity all the time." One possibility is that he was frustrated by the discussion and was teasing you. Another is that he was making a witty remark as a way of connecting with others, without necessarily intending to offend you. Or it's possible he is Christian and was inviting you to convert, because he thinks the Christian faith is the best. Regardless, none of those motivations necessarily demonstrate anti-Semitism.
>
> I am afraid nothing I say will succeed in helping you to see other possibilities than anti-Semitism in people's interactions with you. It makes me wonder then, do you know of any other websites were you see less anti-Semitism?Tabitha, The statement in and of itself puts down Jews as having an inferior religion that does not save so that converting to Christendom would. This show a superiority over Judaism or that Judaism is inferior to Christendom. The definition of anti-Semitism is if it puts down Jews. The statement puts down Jews and is an anti-Semitic statement.
There are more issues here. One is that Mr. Hsiung allows it to stand which allows readers to think that anti-Semitism is supportive by him and that he thinks by allowing it to be seen as civil, that it will be good for his community as a whole. This is a great danger here to Jews and shows discrimination by Mr. Hsiung in relation to allowing anti-Semitism to stand which is an abuse of power. The intent of Scott is not at issue because anyone can say what their intent is after the fact. That does not annul what the statement purports as can be seen. I still want the statment addressed by Mr. Hsiung where it is posted originally, for as long as it can be seen as being supportive, the fire of hate is still burning and children reading here could be influenced by Mr. Hsiung to embrace antisemitic hate, for a psychiatrist is a powerful influence to vulnerable readers here under the influence of mind-altering drugs. The hate seen as being supportive by Mr. Hsiung could cause Jews to be victims of anti-Semitic violence and Christendom readers here could be infused with (false) feelings of superiority that could induce them to commit anti-Semitic acts. Those groups bent on the destruction of Jews could have their agenda of their furnace of hate stoked by Mr. Hsiung by him showing that he in his thinking that anti-Semitism is civil and supportive and will be good for his community as a whole. He then could be considered by a subset of people an accessory to hatred toward Jews by not posting a repudiation to the statement where it is originally posted.
Lou
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