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Posted by J Kelly on March 5, 2016, at 19:40:49
In reply to Re: Oops!, posted by Hello321 on March 5, 2016, at 19:14:13
> I could be mistaken, but I believe the epilepsy diet is the same thing as the ketogenic diet, where you're basically changing your body and brains energy source from glucose to ketones by consuming very little carbs and having your diet consist mainly of healthy fats.I bought a book about this diet for my son years ago. He has epilepsy. Depakote works well for him but I worry. If a diet for epilepsy is also healthy I could maybe persuade him to follow it. He works out most days and is dedicated to watching his diet so maybe he'd try it.
>I just hate that there's so much debate on which date are good and which are bad. The only fat fully agreed on as being harmful seems to be trans fats. I just know I need to try something different than what I've been doing, since I've not really gotten anywhere with a typical lean meat, high fruit and vegetable diet. And I have hit a roadblock with normal psychiatric meds, and have been looking at meds that might sound a bit far fetched when it comes to mental health treatment.
May I ask which meds?
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> When it comes to supplements, I'm much more interested in getting vitamins/minerals through foods. Some supplements derived from certain things like spices seem great though. Curcumin is very interesting. I did try a vitamin D3 supplement some months back and, it may have just been a coincidence, but I'd feel kinda crappy on days I took it.Worth noting. I take this as I tested very low in vitamin D.
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> Back to my experience with the ketogenic/epilepsy diet, I've really been dedicated to it about a week now, and I've read it can take anywhere from a week to a month for the body to become "keto adapted". How long did you do it for? Did you use ketostix and a glucose meter to insure you went into ketosis? Any side effects? U've been feeling a bit more bleh mentally the last week, but that's supposed to be part of the carbohydrate withdrawal as your body adapts to running off ketones instead. I plan to give this diet at least 2 months to see if I benefitI did it for a month or more. Its been a while. I remember struggling with the recommended month long trial. I lost a significant amount of weight. I also had NO energy and had to stop the diet. I did use the keto sticks. They indicated I was in full ketosis. I def felt "bleh" but I may have quit too soon. If you can make it to 2 months I salute you :)
I might dc the vitamin D and see if I notice a difference.
Thanks for your insights.
Jade
Posted by Hello321 on March 5, 2016, at 20:27:35
In reply to Re: Oops! » Hello321, posted by J Kelly on March 5, 2016, at 19:40:49
> I bought a book about this diet for my son years ago. He has epilepsy. Depakote works well for him but I worry. If a diet for epilepsy is also healthy I could maybe persuade him to follow it. He works out most days and is dedicated to watching his diet so maybe he'd try it.
I'd hope so, especially if his epilepsy ever gets out of control. I've been reading up on the ketogenic diet and watching many YouTube videos posted by folks who do the diet as a means to mainly be healthier. It's believed the keto diet aligns more closely than a normal diet to the normal diet humans adapted to thousands of years ago. Babies feeding off breast milk are said to be in a mild form of ketosis since breast milk is about 56% fat. Personally, I'm not completely sold on the keto diet (even tho I'm doing it) but I do feel grains and "added sugar" has no place in anyone's diet. I don't understand the whole basis of it, but it is known that Cancer cells actually feed off sugar.
> May I ask which meds?
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I've tried Prednisone, the 5ht2c agonist Belviq that's used for weight loss, Clomid that's used to benefit certain hormones, and I'm considering Methyldopa, a med that inhibits the formation of dopamine in the brain. And yes I know it sounds like I'm experimenting with meds because I suppose that's exactly what I'm doing. It's a long story, but I have a history of paradoxical severe reactions to typical psych meds. So I see any time one tries them as also being a risky experiment.> >
> > When it comes to supplements, I'm much more interested in getting vitamins/minerals through foods. Some supplements derived from certain things like spices seem great though. Curcumin is very interesting. I did try a vitamin D3 supplement some months back and, it may have just been a coincidence, but I'd feel kinda crappy on days I took it.
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> Worth noting. I take this as I tested very low in vitamin D.
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>They say most people are rather low in vitamin d. And actually, if I recall correctly, vitamin d is believed to function more like a natural steroid in the body than a vitamin. But if enough sunlight isn't available, I would look at Light Therapy.
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> I did use the keto sticks. They indicated I was in full ketosis. I def felt "bleh" but I may have quit too soon. If you can make it to 2 months I salute you :)
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:D yeah it's been a bit difficult when I have to say no to many of the foods I used to eat. I'd love to have some pizza and ice cream right now! But I've looked up some keto diet recipes that have helped me power through my carb and sweet cravings. I've made cookies with milled flax seed and stevia instead of flour and sugar. I just got done eating a "fat bomb" made with unsweetened coconut shavings, heavy cream, cream cheese, walnuts, coconut oil, unsweetened cocoa and last but not least... Stevia. Mix it all up and microwave it to get it warm and it tastes amazing! I now drink unsweetened vanilla almond milk instead of regular milk because milk actually has a lot of sugar in it.
Posted by Hello321 on March 5, 2016, at 20:32:55
In reply to Re: Oops!, posted by Hello321 on March 5, 2016, at 20:27:35
Another thing that ive done is replaced all sweet fruits with spinach, cauliflower, and I eatvan avocado with salt every morning for breakfast. Like I said, it does get annoying sometimes when I crave certain foods I can't have. But I just try to find a "keto friendly" food that's enjoyable to eat that I calm my cravings with.
Posted by J Kelly on March 5, 2016, at 20:50:34
In reply to Re: Oops!, posted by Hello321 on March 5, 2016, at 20:27:35
>>I just got done eating a "fat bomb" made with unsweetened coconut shavings, heavy cream, cream cheese, walnuts, coconut oil, unsweetened cocoa and last but not least... Stevia. Mix it all up and microwave it to get it warm and it tastes amazing!
Okay now you're just being cruel.
Jade :)
Posted by Hello321 on March 5, 2016, at 21:10:04
In reply to Re: Oops! » Hello321, posted by J Kelly on March 5, 2016, at 20:50:34
Lol :D
It adds up like 500 calories in a cereal bowl not even halfway full. If Stevia didn't exist to satisfy my sweet tooth, and my addiction to normal sugar sweetened chocolate, then I'm pretty sure I'd have already given up on this diet.
But if I happen to end up feeling noticeably better in any way on this diet, I'll probably be notifying everyone on psychobabble about it.
Posted by J Kelly on March 6, 2016, at 5:11:53
In reply to Re: Oops!, posted by Hello321 on March 5, 2016, at 21:10:04
> But if I happen to end up feeling noticeably better in any way on this diet, I'll probably be notifying everyone on psychobabble about it.Yes please do. Like I said I was only able to do it for a month. So maybe you will see improvement by the end of two months. I hope so :)
Jade
Posted by J Kelly on March 6, 2016, at 6:23:16
In reply to Re: Keto diet » Hello321, posted by J Kelly on March 6, 2016, at 5:11:53
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> > But if I happen to end up feeling noticeably better in any way on this diet, I'll probably be notifying everyone on psychobabble about it.
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> Yes please do. Like I said I was only able to do it for a month. So maybe you will see improvement by the end of two months. I hope so :)
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> Jade
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>I remember feeling like I was gonna have to crawl around on the floor I was so tired. But I think I was warned that it would happen that way and it would pass. I just was too impatient to reach the other side where you have bunches of energy. I'm curious to see if that happens to you.
Is the keto diet similar to the Atkins diet? I'm thinking it is but I could be wrong.
Jade
Posted by Hello321 on March 6, 2016, at 10:27:27
In reply to Re: Keto diet/hello321, posted by J Kelly on March 6, 2016, at 6:23:16
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> I remember feeling like I was gonna have to crawl around on the floor I was so tired. But I think I was warned that it would happen that way and it would pass. I just was too impatient to reach the other side where you have bunches of energy. I'm curious to see if that happens to you.
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> Is the keto diet similar to the Atkins diet? I'm thinking it is but I could be wrong.
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> Jade
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>Oh yeah, I've been feeling a bit more mentally dull than normal. It's making me want to just give in to eating something with a lot of sugar. I've still been drinking caffeinated tea either unsweetened or sweetened with Stevia, of course) but I hope to give that up too once I start feeling more adapted to this diet. But yeah, it's referred to as the Keto Flu, where basically you're likely to feel like crap when beginning this diet. Where's a video that's kinda funny but still really good that I like to use for motivation.
And the difference between the Keto and Atkins diet is that Atkins doesn't call for you to restrict protein. It is said that when your diet is really low on carbs to convert to glucose, it will actually begin to convert protein into glucose through a process called "gluconeogenesis". And glucose is basically the enemy of Ketosis. On the Atkins diet, you can still eat lowfat protein all day. But the keto diet calls for your diet to consist of a high amount of fat. Moderate protein. And very little carbs.
Posted by Hello321 on March 6, 2016, at 10:58:10
In reply to Re: Keto diet/hello321, posted by J Kelly on March 6, 2016, at 6:23:16
This is the video I stumbled upon that really made me start thinking about nutrition and how much it can affect brain health. I've posted it on here before and I'm sure it'll seem a bit boring if one isn't really in the mood to learn about nutrition. But it definitely got me thinking. At first I planned to just start cutting back on sugar.
This is the video I stumbled upon that really made me start thinking about nutrition and how much it can affect brain health. I've posted it on here before and I'm sure it'll seem a bit boring if one isn't really in the mood to learn about nutrition. But it definitely got me thinking. At first I planned to just start cutting back on sugar. But then I read about the supposed benefits of the keto diet and decided to go the extra mile and switch to a different source of energy, and not rely on glucose like ones no body normally does. I admit, I do get a bit nervous because we're always told the body can suffer if our glucose gets too low. But I suppose that's where the moderate amount of protein we eat on ketosis feeds any functions that require glucose after being converted to glucose through gluconeogenesis.
Posted by J Kelly on March 6, 2016, at 11:30:35
In reply to Re: Keto diet/hello321, posted by Hello321 on March 6, 2016, at 10:27:27
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> Oh yeah, I've been feeling a bit more mentally dull than normal. It's making me want to just give in to eating something with a lot of sugar. I've still been drinking caffeinated tea either unsweetened or sweetened with Stevia, of course) but I hope to give that up too once I start feeling more adapted to this diet. But yeah, it's referred to as the Keto Flu, where basically you're likely to feel like crap when beginning this diet. Where's a video that's kinda funny but still really good that I like to use for motivation.
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> http://youtu.be/ZXsQAXx_ao0
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> And the difference between the Keto and Atkins diet is that Atkins doesn't call for you to restrict protein. It is said that when your diet is really low on carbs to convert to glucose, it will actually begin to convert protein into glucose through a process called "gluconeogenesis". And glucose is basically the enemy of Ketosis. On the Atkins diet, you can still eat lowfat protein all day. But the keto diet calls for your diet to consist of a high amount of fat. Moderate protein. And very little carbs.
Nice video lol. I look forward to hearing how you are feeling after 2 months in ketosis. Keep going! You got this!
Posted by J Kelly on March 6, 2016, at 13:06:14
In reply to Re: Keto diet, posted by Hello321 on March 6, 2016, at 10:58:10
> http://youtu.be/ceFyF9px20Y
>> This is the video I stumbled upon that really made me start thinking about nutrition and how much it can affect brain health. I've posted it on here before and I'm sure it'll seem a bit boring if one isn't really in the mood to learn about nutrition. But it definitely got me thinking. At first I planned to just start cutting back on sugar. But then I read about the supposed benefits of the keto diet and decided to go the extra mile and switch to a different source of energy, and not rely on glucose like ones no body normally does. I admit, I do get a bit nervous because we're always told the body can suffer if our glucose gets too low. But I suppose that's where the moderate amount of protein we eat on ketosis feeds any functions that require glucose after being converted to glucose through gluconeogenesis.
Hi again,
I haven't watched the video yet but I will! I get nervous about trying new diets too. I have problems with low blood sugar so if I start feeling faint on a new diet I just quit. Its not worth it to me in most cases. However, my current diet is horrible and could use an overhaul. Thanks for the info :)
Jade
Posted by Hello321 on March 6, 2016, at 14:51:45
In reply to Re: Keto diet » Hello321, posted by J Kelly on March 6, 2016, at 13:06:14
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> I haven't watched the video yet but I will! I get nervous about trying new diets too. I have problems with low blood sugar so if I start feeling faint on a new diet I just quit. Its not worth it to me in most cases. However, my current diet is horrible and could use an overhaul. Thanks for the info :)
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> Jade
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>Hmm i lack knowledge on what makes some people , other than diabetics, prone to problems with their blood sugar levels. Any idea what causes hours?
Posted by SLS on March 6, 2016, at 15:16:53
In reply to Re: Keto diet, posted by Hello321 on March 6, 2016, at 14:51:45
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> > I haven't watched the video yet but I will! I get nervous about trying new diets too. I have problems with low blood sugar so if I start feeling faint on a new diet I just quit. Its not worth it to me in most cases. However, my current diet is horrible and could use an overhaul. Thanks for the info :)
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> Hmm i lack knowledge on what makes some people , other than diabetics, prone to problems with their blood sugar levels. Any idea what causes hours?What about insulin resistance?
- Scott
Posted by Hello321 on March 6, 2016, at 15:53:09
In reply to Re: Keto diet, posted by SLS on March 6, 2016, at 15:16:53
> What about insulin resistance?
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> - ScottYeah I was kinda thinking that. I read an article on causes of hypoglycemia, and it said one of the causes is excessive Insulin production. Perhaps even if one isn't technically diabetic, and is pre diabetic, their body not being able to recognize insulin like normal ends up causing excessive release of insulin, lowering blood sugar excessively.
My knowledge on food metabolism is still pretty fuzzy. But I have gotten a big interest in it lately. But it looks like there is a feedback loop for every process in the body. And when one part of the loop is out of whack, for what ever reason, that's when problems like low/high blood sugar occur.
I've also started pondering on the thought that mental illnesses are the result of disruptions in certain feedback loops in our brain.
Posted by J Kelly on March 7, 2016, at 6:41:17
In reply to Re: Keto diet, posted by Hello321 on March 6, 2016, at 15:53:09
> > What about insulin resistance?
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> Yeah I was kinda thinking that. I read an article on causes of hypoglycemia, and it said one of the causes is excessive Insulin production. Perhaps even if one isn't technically diabetic, and is pre diabetic, their body not being able to recognize insulin like normal ends up causing excessive release of insulin, lowering blood sugar excessively.
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> My knowledge on food metabolism is still pretty fuzzy. But I have gotten a big interest in it lately. But it looks like there is a feedback loop for every process in the body. And when one part of the loop is out of whack, for what ever reason, that's when problems like low/high blood sugar occur.
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> I've also started pondering on the thought that mental illnesses are the result of disruptions in certain feedback loops in our brain.Someone told me once that hypoglycemia is a little like height. Everyone has some.
I had a glucose tolerance test which confirmed low blood sugar. I met with a nutritionist who recommended small regular meals. If I'm having an episode I head straight for the sugar/carbs.
Jade
Posted by Chris O on March 8, 2016, at 20:55:12
In reply to Aha moment, posted by J Kelly on March 3, 2016, at 18:20:35
Totally relate. It's the record that plays in my head every day.
Posted by J Kelly on March 9, 2016, at 7:53:07
In reply to Re: Aha moment » J Kelly, posted by Chris O on March 8, 2016, at 20:55:12
> Totally relate. It's the record that plays in my head every day.
Hi Chris. Sorry to hear that...
On a selfish note, its nice to feel understood.
Jade
Posted by Chris O on March 9, 2016, at 12:25:27
In reply to Re: Aha moment » Chris O, posted by J Kelly on March 9, 2016, at 7:53:07
Thanks, Jade. Hardly selfish to feel understood. It's what make us all human, I think, even those of us whose brains wreack havoc on our lives.
It's funny because, like you (and probably many other babblers), I have ridden the yoga, deep breathing, meditation, tai chi, alpha stim, EFT tapping, exercise, mindfulness, gratitude, every "natural supplement out there" train for many years with many different therapists, and it just does very little for me. And like you, I hold out a vague hope that some medication out there will help me. But my hope is pretty tepid at this point. I would need something that would completely transform my personality, and that just doesn't seem possible. Anyway, hope you are doing well. Thanks for interacting.
Chris
Posted by J Kelly on March 9, 2016, at 13:39:16
In reply to Re: Aha moment » J Kelly, posted by Chris O on March 9, 2016, at 12:25:27
Hi Chris,
> Thanks, Jade. Hardly selfish to feel understood. It's what make us all human, I think, even those of us whose brains wreack havoc on our lives.
Yes, agreed.
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> It's funny because, like you (and probably many other babblers), I have ridden the yoga, deep breathing, meditation, tai chi, alpha stim, EFT tapping, exercise, mindfulness, gratitude, every "natural supplement out there" train for many years with many different therapists, and it just does very little for me.Working out at the gym used to help my mood but right now I'm just too tired and depressed (and sick, not sure what order to put those in ...ugh).
> And like you, I hold out a vague hope that some medication out there will help me. But my hope is pretty tepid at this point. I would need something that would completely transform my personality, and that just doesn't seem possible.
Hey, if you do find that miracle, please remember to share :)>Anyway, hope you are doing well. Thanks for interacting.
>My pleasure,
Jade
Posted by Larry Hoover on March 9, 2016, at 22:37:35
In reply to Re: Keto diet, posted by Hello321 on March 6, 2016, at 15:53:09
I hadn't noticed this thread until now. I hope you don't mind if I jump in.
While I was an active member of this group, many years ago, I posted this PubMed abstract:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12415536
Depress Anxiety. 2002;16(3):118-20.
A cross-national relationship between sugar consumption and major depression?
Westover AN1, Marangell LB.
Abstract
We have preliminarily investigated the hypothesis that sugar consumption may impact the prevalence of major depression by correlating per capita consumption of sugar with the prevalence of major depression. Major depression prevalence data (annual rate/100) was obtained from the Cross-National Epidemiology of Major Depression and Bipolar Disorder study [Weissman et al., 1996]. Sugar consumption data from 1991 was obtained from the Food and Agricultural Organization of the United Nations. For the primary analysis, sugar consumption rates (cal/cap/day) were correlated with the annual rate of major depression, using the Pearson correlation coefficient. For the six countries with available data for the primary analysis, there was a highly significant correlation between sugar consumption and the annual rate of depression (Pearson correlation 0.948, P=0.004). Naturally, a correlation does not necessarily imply etiology. Caveats such as the limited number of countries with available data must be considered. Although speculative, there are some mechanistic reasons to consider that sugar consumption may directly impact the prevalence of major depression. Possible relationships between sugar consumption, beta-endorphins, and oxidative stress are discussed.
The message I took from this at the time was that sugar might actually be a marker for food-processing in general, but the correlation is so high (0.948), it's a very strong relationship, no matter how you wish to explain it.
That article started me on a journey of inquiry. I've been thinking about sugar intake for a long time. And, I've come to the conclusion that sugar is nothing more than a toxin. A toxin with energy content. How it came to be a food group (carbs) is nothing more than an artefact of humans developing agriculture, and the rise of the food processing industry.
A toxin, you say? What made me come to that conclusion is examining what happens to diabetics. Sugar damages every tissue in the body, unless cells can be regulated in some way, to force them to take it up. If sugar stays in the blood, permanent and irreversible chemical damage happens. We've clearly linked insulin secretion to sugar uptake by cells, but we're also aware of metabolic syndrome, whereby the body gradually becomes resistant to insulin. If that progresses, Type II diabetes can develop.
How can that happen, though? You have to look at what else insulin does. Insulin completely shuts down the metabolism of fats (fat metabolism restarts about 6 hours after insulin levels begin to fall again). It also triggers 'de novo lipogenesis', which is a fancy way of saying fat is created (from carbs). And the specific fatty acids that your body can create from carbs are quite limited. But those specific fatty acids cause fat storage cells called adipocytes to 'turn on'. Those carb-derived fatty acids cannot be burned, because insulin has shut down fat metabolism. Nope, those specific fatty acids are preferentially stored away 'for later'.
And guess what those activated adipocytes do? They secrete hormones that make you crave, I mean crave, carbs. And those hormones create true addictive responses in the brain. The exact same cell groups that respond to cocaine respond to adipocyte hormones. Your fat cells are endocrine glands.
In my opinion, when the hormonal influence of activate adipocytes becomes greater than the hormonal influence of the pancreas, Type II diabetes is inevitable. That's why weight loss alone can 'cure' Type II diabetes.
Humans did not have farms, let alone supermarkets, when our bodies evolved to respond the way that they do to carb intake. Especially in temperate (rather than tropical) climates, the availability of carbs would have been seasonal, and limited. In contrast, in modern diets, carbs dominate our calorie intake. We even have the guidance from the Food Pyramid, to steer us that way. Did you know that the Food Pyramid was created by an advertising agency in the 1950's, trying to boost consumption of basic agricultural products? The USDA simply borrowed it. There is no science behind it, whatsoever.
I personally believe that our true metabolic baseline energy source was fat first, protein second. When carbs were temporarily available in our ancestors' diets, despite the toxicity of high sugar levels in their blood, the capacity to secrete insulin could save the day. Only those people who could survive famines could pass their genes along to the next generation. Those who stored fat from carbs. Those who craved carbs when available, survived. But farming and supermarkets have made carbs part of every meal, 365 days a year.
There, methinks, lies the rub.
Lar
Posted by J Kelly on March 10, 2016, at 7:03:18
In reply to Re: Keto diet, posted by Larry Hoover on March 9, 2016, at 22:37:35
So it was wrong of me to eat 3 chocolate bars yesterday? :(
My weight is good for the moment but I fear what's coming now that I'm back on Zyprexa, and what effect my diet is having on my mood.
Thanks for posting that Larry.
Jade
Posted by zonked on March 10, 2016, at 20:20:06
In reply to Aha moment, posted by J Kelly on March 3, 2016, at 18:20:35
Jade: OMG. Okay keep in mind, I don't have access to babblemail (or reply notices) at the moment, and am still in residential treatment, so I have to get my babble fixes in small doses (computer use is limited). When I get access to babblemail again I'll send you a heartfelt hello!
Do you remember that series of posts a few years ago where we were talking about this? Remember how I wished that doctors who suggested diet, exercise, deep breathing, yoga, salsa dancing (?!), support groups....have to undergo what some of us go through daily by being exposed to crystal meth under anasthesia (so they didn't enjoy the buzz) and then go through what we go through daily?
For the memories, and hopefully a laugh, I found it:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20100628/msgs/952624.htmlEven though I'm doing well enough for therapy to *actually work*, I still got a laugh reading this, because people who've never experienced severe, treatment-resistant, organic depression can't know what it's like for us. *hug*
Nice to see you again.
-z
> Me:
> this depression/anxiety has biological causes
> its not my fault
> I didn't ask for this
> why me
> this is hopeless
> Im waiting for the right med
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> Therapist:
> yoga
> deep breathing exercises
> relaxation techniques
> journaling
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> Are you kidding me? I can barely get out of bed. But here's the rub: while I KNOW there is a med out there that will "fix" me I haven't found it after five years of hell. So Im gonna breathe, do some yoga, journal like a champ, and relax to a free app at bedtime.
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> So my aha moment: It aint fair but i'm worth it. Just sayin. Can anyone relate?
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> Jade
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> ps- did I mention THIS ISNT FAIR?
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Posted by J Kelly on March 11, 2016, at 8:49:44
In reply to Re: Aha moment » J Kelly, posted by zonked on March 10, 2016, at 20:20:06
> Jade: OMG. Okay keep in mind, I don't have access to babblemail (or reply notices) at the moment, and am still in residential treatment, so I have to get my babble fixes in small doses (computer use is limited). When I get access to babblemail again I'll send you a heartfelt hello!
Sounds good :) I need to turn mine on using a different email acct. I'll try to do that.
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> Do you remember that series of posts a few years ago where we were talking about this? Remember how I wished that doctors who suggested diet, exercise, deep breathing, yoga, salsa dancing (?!), support groups....have to undergo what some of us go through daily by being exposed to crystal meth under anasthesia (so they didn't enjoy the buzz) and then go through what we go through daily?
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> For the memories, and hopefully a laugh, I found it:
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20100628/msgs/952624.html
>Oh my gosh haha. I cant believe that was 6 years ago! At least we had a sense of humor about things. And thank you for remembering me :)
> Even though I'm doing well enough for therapy to *actually work*, I still got a laugh reading this, because people who've never experienced severe, treatment-resistant, organic depression can't know what it's like for us. *hug*
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> Nice to see you again.Hugs to you as well zonked. I'm glad you are doing well and are able to post here. My memory is very poor. I want to look at some old posts but I'm afraid of what I might find!
Jade
Posted by ianral on March 11, 2016, at 13:27:52
In reply to Aha moment, posted by J Kelly on March 3, 2016, at 18:20:35
> Me:
> this depression/anxiety has biological causes
> its not my fault
> I didn't ask for this
> why me
> this is hopeless
> Im waiting for the right med
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> Therapist:
> yoga
> deep breathing exercises
> relaxation techniques
> journaling
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> Are you kidding me? I can barely get out of bed. But here's the rub: while I KNOW there is a med out there that will "fix" me I haven't found it after five years of hell. So Im gonna breathe, do some yoga, journal like a champ, and relax to a free app at bedtime.
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> So my aha moment: It aint fair but i'm worth it. Just sayin. Can anyone relate?
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> Jade
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> ps- did I mention THIS ISNT FAIR?It is not fair, but you are who you are.
See my post on Generalized Anxiety Disorder. I take Effexor.
Posted by J Kelly on March 11, 2016, at 13:59:27
In reply to Re: Aha moment, posted by ianral on March 11, 2016, at 13:27:52
Hello there,
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>> It is not fair, but you are who you are.I guess this is true. However I will continue to look for a way to return to the emotionally healthy, stable person I once was. And I'm not quite ready to throw in the towel where that's concerned.
> See my post on Generalized Anxiety Disorder. I take Effexor.
I will have a look at your GAD post right now :)
Jade
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