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Posted by maximus on February 13, 2016, at 15:12:35
Hello,
Actually i'm trying Abilify. I'm taking 5 mg and i will soon take 10 mg. Abilify is for treating my bipolar depression.
I wanted to ask you something. I feel an inner tension and a need to move. Is that normal? Does it pass with higher dose? Thanks.
Max
Posted by SLS on February 13, 2016, at 17:17:55
In reply to Abilify, posted by maximus on February 13, 2016, at 15:12:35
> Hello,
Hi.
> Actually i'm trying Abilify. I'm taking 5 mg and i will soon take 10 mg. Abilify is for treating my bipolar depression.
>
> I wanted to ask you something. I feel an inner tension and a need to move. Is that normal?You describe very well a side effect that occurs with Abilify. It can either disappear in a week or get much worse in the form of something called akathisia. True akathisia is unbearable and includes an inability to sit still, pacing, rocking back and forth when seated, shifting weight between feet when standing, and a feeling of wanting to crawl out of your skin.
I would continue taking Abilify for a few days to determine in what direction the side effects are headed. If they get worse or you remain concerned, you should call your doctor.
I experienced restlessness for a few days after starting Abilify at 20 mg/day. For me, it was uncomfortable, but tolerable. It was simply a startup side effect that disappeared.
- Scott
Posted by Christ_empowered on February 13, 2016, at 20:37:29
In reply to Re: Abilify » maximus, posted by SLS on February 13, 2016, at 17:17:55
my former shrink told me that this sort of thing happens more at the lower, more stimulating doses. 10mgs is, I think, still somewhat stimulating, but its in the 10-15mgs/day target range for bipolar and schizophrenia, so I imagine its more tranquilizing (?). I'd just try the 10mgs and see how it goes. Scott gave you a good idea of what akathisia is like. Some docs treat the akathisia and keep the medication; others drop the medication in favor of another medication.
I take 30mgs/day and don't have that problem. Of course, 30mgs/day is more an antipsychotic/anti-manic dose.
Good luck!
Posted by SLS on February 13, 2016, at 21:21:06
In reply to Re: Abilify, posted by Christ_empowered on February 13, 2016, at 20:37:29
> my former shrink told me that this sort of thing happens more at the lower, more stimulating doses.
That's very interesting.
- Scott
Posted by maximus on February 14, 2016, at 12:09:11
In reply to Re: Abilify, posted by SLS on February 13, 2016, at 21:21:06
Well, i begin 10 mg a day today.
Posted by SLS on February 14, 2016, at 14:12:10
In reply to Re: Abilify, posted by maximus on February 14, 2016, at 12:09:11
> Well, i begin 10 mg a day today.
Good luck.
- Scott
Posted by maximus on February 14, 2016, at 17:09:46
In reply to Re: Abilify » maximus, posted by SLS on February 14, 2016, at 14:12:10
> > Well, i begin 10 mg a day today.
>
> Good luck.
>Thanks!
Okay. So far no need to move anymore. I feel sleepy. I took a nap. But today i feel anxious. But i'm optimistic.
N.B. I've tried Latuda. It was pure hell. I challenged it and re-challenged Latuda with the same result: depression.
After 20 years of lithium i have to get off of it due to my kidneys.
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 15, 2016, at 10:55:16
In reply to Re: Abilify, posted by maximus on February 14, 2016, at 17:09:46
> > > Well, i begin 10 mg a day today.
> >
> > Good luck.
> >
>
> Thanks!
>
> Okay. So far no need to move anymore. I feel sleepy. I took a nap. But today i feel anxious. But i'm optimistic.
>
> N.B. I've tried Latuda. It was pure hell. I challenged it and re-challenged Latuda with the same result: depression.
>
> After 20 years of lithium i have to get off of it due to my kidneys.
>
> maximus,
Are you going to be persuaded to keep taking a drug that has already manifested itself in a movement disorder? Are you going to take Scott's statements that could encourage you to continue taking the drug without really exploring what this drug is and what it could do to you?
Or are you going to use a keen eye and a cool head and try and find out if Scott's statements could lead you to your death or a life-ruining condition or addiction?
You see, Scott has used what I call the {crossroads} minimization. He leads you to believe that you could go on with the drug and reach a crossroad that you could either go one way or the other. One way would be to discontinue the drug and the other to keep following the road of being drugged with this chemical nerve agent that could kill you. You could think that you could make the decision without consequences from what Scott has posted to you. But is that really true? Has Scott warned you that the drug could cause addiction? And serotonin syndrome? Or liver disease or diabetes or tardive dyskinesia? Or a host of other life-ruining conditions and suicide? You see, you could be seriously misled to think that not only that you could cross to another drug easily or cross out of drugs completely, which could seriously mislead you to think that the drug is safer than it really is and that you will have a choice. But 1000s of people are killed by these drugs each month. Did they have a choice?
You see, the drug has a chemical composition that components are used to kill insects. A nerve agent. I am prohibited by Mr. Hsiung to really show you the horrors of how these chemicals have been used in the commission of mass-murder. And do you not think that what you are experiencing is what an insect experiances when the insecticide is put in their system where they die from the drug by the nerves being killed (actuaaly, the nerves are stopped from transmitting the nerve impulse chemically) and their systems stop (just if the nerve to your heart was cut)? And if you continue the Road of drugging with that drug you could reach a cliff and be compelled to fall of into a Lake of Fire.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 15, 2016, at 11:13:57
In reply to Lou's warning-crossraods that could lead to death » maximus, posted by Lou Pilder on February 15, 2016, at 10:55:16
> > > > Well, i begin 10 mg a day today.
> > >
> > > Good luck.
> > >
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Okay. So far no need to move anymore. I feel sleepy. I took a nap. But today i feel anxious. But i'm optimistic.
> >
> > N.B. I've tried Latuda. It was pure hell. I challenged it and re-challenged Latuda with the same result: depression.
> >
> > After 20 years of lithium i have to get off of it due to my kidneys.
> >
> > maximus,
> Are you going to be persuaded to keep taking a drug that has already manifested itself in a movement disorder? Are you going to take Scott's statements that could encourage you to continue taking the drug without really exploring what this drug is and what it could do to you?
> Or are you going to use a keen eye and a cool head and try and find out if Scott's statements could lead you to your death or a life-ruining condition or addiction?
> You see, Scott has used what I call the {crossroads} minimization. He leads you to believe that you could go on with the drug and reach a crossroad that you could either go one way or the other. One way would be to discontinue the drug and the other to keep following the road of being drugged with this chemical nerve agent that could kill you. You could think that you could make the decision without consequences from what Scott has posted to you. But is that really true? Has Scott warned you that the drug could cause addiction? And serotonin syndrome? Or liver disease or diabetes or tardive dyskinesia? Or a host of other life-ruining conditions and suicide? You see, you could be seriously misled to think that not only that you could cross to another drug easily or cross out of drugs completely, which could seriously mislead you to think that the drug is safer than it really is and that you will have a choice. But 1000s of people are killed by these drugs each month. Did they have a choice?
> You see, the drug has a chemical composition that components are used to kill insects. A nerve agent. I am prohibited by Mr. Hsiung to really show you the horrors of how these chemicals have been used in the commission of mass-murder. And do you not think that what you are experiencing is what an insect experiances when the insecticide is put in their system where they die from the drug by the nerves being killed (actuaaly, the nerves are stopped from transmitting the nerve impulse chemically) and their systems stop (just if the nerve to your heart was cut)? And if you continue the Road of drugging with that drug you could reach a cliff and be compelled to fall of into a Lake of Fire.
> Lou
>
> maximus,
I am using my Death-O-Meter now and see that you could be killed by acute renal failure if you continue with this drug. You see, the members here that promote these drugs could be ignorant of the consequences to you when that advocate to continue a drug or such. They simply may not know how these drugs could damage your systems and organs. This is allowed here all against the FDA rules for promoting a drug. Mr. Hsiung could be exempt from those rules but I do not know that.
But so what? Do people have to be killed by these drugs by being misled to think that they are safer than they really are just because Mr. Hsiung could be exempt from the FDA rules? He says that what he is doing will be good for his community as a whole as he thinks and to trust him at that. But do people have to be killed by these drugs so that Mr. Hsiung's community will be good for the whole? Is that not the same argument to justify slavery and infanticide and genocide? I see no justification at all for this community of death to be allowed to get away with advocating drugs without following the FDA rule for such. How many more deaths are going to be allowed here before this is stopped?
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 15, 2016, at 11:33:51
In reply to Lou's warning-acute renal failure, posted by Lou Pilder on February 15, 2016, at 11:13:57
> > > > > Well, i begin 10 mg a day today.
> > > >
> > > > Good luck.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > >
> > > Okay. So far no need to move anymore. I feel sleepy. I took a nap. But today i feel anxious. But i'm optimistic.
> > >
> > > N.B. I've tried Latuda. It was pure hell. I challenged it and re-challenged Latuda with the same result: depression.
> > >
> > > After 20 years of lithium i have to get off of it due to my kidneys.
> > >
> > > maximus,
> > Are you going to be persuaded to keep taking a drug that has already manifested itself in a movement disorder? Are you going to take Scott's statements that could encourage you to continue taking the drug without really exploring what this drug is and what it could do to you?
> > Or are you going to use a keen eye and a cool head and try and find out if Scott's statements could lead you to your death or a life-ruining condition or addiction?
> > You see, Scott has used what I call the {crossroads} minimization. He leads you to believe that you could go on with the drug and reach a crossroad that you could either go one way or the other. One way would be to discontinue the drug and the other to keep following the road of being drugged with this chemical nerve agent that could kill you. You could think that you could make the decision without consequences from what Scott has posted to you. But is that really true? Has Scott warned you that the drug could cause addiction? And serotonin syndrome? Or liver disease or diabetes or tardive dyskinesia? Or a host of other life-ruining conditions and suicide? You see, you could be seriously misled to think that not only that you could cross to another drug easily or cross out of drugs completely, which could seriously mislead you to think that the drug is safer than it really is and that you will have a choice. But 1000s of people are killed by these drugs each month. Did they have a choice?
> > You see, the drug has a chemical composition that components are used to kill insects. A nerve agent. I am prohibited by Mr. Hsiung to really show you the horrors of how these chemicals have been used in the commission of mass-murder. And do you not think that what you are experiencing is what an insect experiances when the insecticide is put in their system where they die from the drug by the nerves being killed (actuaaly, the nerves are stopped from transmitting the nerve impulse chemically) and their systems stop (just if the nerve to your heart was cut)? And if you continue the Road of drugging with that drug you could reach a cliff and be compelled to fall of into a Lake of Fire.
> > Lou
> >
> > maximus,
> I am using my Death-O-Meter now and see that you could be killed by acute renal failure if you continue with this drug. You see, the members here that promote these drugs could be ignorant of the consequences to you when that advocate to continue a drug or such. They simply may not know how these drugs could damage your systems and organs. This is allowed here all against the FDA rules for promoting a drug. Mr. Hsiung could be exempt from those rules but I do not know that.
> But so what? Do people have to be killed by these drugs by being misled to think that they are safer than they really are just because Mr. Hsiung could be exempt from the FDA rules? He says that what he is doing will be good for his community as a whole as he thinks and to trust him at that. But do people have to be killed by these drugs so that Mr. Hsiung's community will be good for the whole? Is that not the same argument to justify slavery and infanticide and genocide? I see no justification at all for this community of death to be allowed to get away with advocating drugs without following the FDA rule for such. How many more deaths are going to be allowed here before this is stopped?
> Lou
>
> maximus,
My Death-O-Meter has its needle bouncing violently. Now it reads death by pancreas disease or neuroleptic malignant syndrome. These are horrible diseases and I hate to see you suffer a horrible death by them. Many here could encourage you to take this drug. Your blood will not be upon me.
Lou
>
Posted by SLS on February 15, 2016, at 12:58:02
In reply to Re: Abilify, posted by maximus on February 14, 2016, at 17:09:46
> N.B. I've tried Latuda. It was pure hell. I challenged it and re-challenged Latuda with the same result: depression.
I had exactly the same reaction to Latuda. I experienced an exacerbation of my bipolar depression. My guess is that this is due to the ability of Latuda to block NE alpha-2a receptors. This mechanism always makes my depression much worse. I had similar reactions to Remeron and idazoxan, two other NE alpha-2a receptor antagonists.
> After 20 years of lithium i have to get off of it due to my kidneys.That's too bad. How did you benefit from lithium? What dosage?
- Scott
Posted by maximus on February 16, 2016, at 15:52:28
In reply to Re: Abilify » maximus, posted by SLS on February 15, 2016, at 12:58:02
> > N.B. I've tried Latuda. It was pure hell. I challenged it and re-challenged Latuda with the same result: depression.
>
> I had exactly the same reaction to Latuda. I experienced an exacerbation of my bipolar depression. My guess is that this is due to the ability of Latuda to block NE alpha-2a receptors. This mechanism always makes my depression much worse. I had similar reactions to Remeron and idazoxan, two other NE alpha-2a receptor antagonists.
>
> > After 20 years of lithium i have to get off of it due to my kidneys.
>
> That's too bad. How did you benefit from lithium? What dosage?
>
>Lithium gave me stability and a ton of energy (CRF production increases). The dose were 1050 mg a day. Combined with Lamictal, lithium is a very good medecine. It even helps Lamictal working better.
Posted by Hello321 on February 17, 2016, at 13:10:42
In reply to Lou's warning-more horrific dieases/death, posted by Lou Pilder on February 15, 2016, at 11:33:51
Where can I buy one of these nifty "Death-O-Meters"?
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 17, 2016, at 16:21:09
In reply to Re: Lou's warning-more horrific dieases/death » Lou Pilder, posted by Hello321 on February 17, 2016, at 13:10:42
> Where can I buy one of these nifty "Death-O-Meters"?
Hello,
The meter that I am making is still being improved by me and is not available yet to the public.
But when it becomes available, I will give you one free.
I am having trouble right now perfecting the Death-O-Meter as by using it here I am blowing chips due to overload. If you tell me what you are taking from a psychiatrist I could use my meter with your data...
Lou
Posted by Hello321 on February 17, 2016, at 17:26:28
In reply to Lou's reply- » Hello321, posted by Lou Pilder on February 17, 2016, at 16:21:09
Not taking any meds at all right now :D
Have simply been looking into healthier ways to improve my wellbeing
But yeah, Other than death, I've experienced too many of the very severe effects of psychiatric meds that you've described in posts on psychobabble. But I'm not sure if the approach you take is really swaying anyone's thoughts on them. The general idea the public already has about them is they can be bad for your brain chemistry. And to be very careful with them. That taking them could be like playing with fire. And that each time you take a psych med, it is basically an experiment. But most people still
enough faith in the FDA and their doctor's to try the products they offer for help.
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 17, 2016, at 17:37:37
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-, posted by Hello321 on February 17, 2016, at 17:26:28
> Not taking any meds at all right now :D
>
> Have simply been looking into healthier ways to improve my wellbeing
>
> But yeah, Other than death, I've experienced too many of the very severe effects of psychiatric meds that you've described in posts on psychobabble. But I'm not sure if the approach you take is really swaying anyone's thoughts on them. The general idea the public already has about them is they can be bad for your brain chemistry. And to be very careful with them. That taking them could be like playing with fire. And that each time you take a psych med, it is basically an experiment. But most people still
> enough faith in the FDA and their doctor's to try the products they offer for help.Hello,
You wrote,[...healthier ways...very serious effects of psychiatric drugs...the jury is still out as to if you are succeeding in saving lives from here...they can be bad for your brain chemistry...people that take tem prostitute their faith to the FDA and psychiatrists that pander the drugs...].
It is a powerful persuasion for readers here to be influenced by the psychiatrist that chairs this site to take these drugs. And that he allows posters to promote these drugs in violation of the FDA rules that he could be exempt from.
But men greater than him and agencies greater than the FDA have promulgated that what they were doing would be good for their country as a whole that has resulted in 100s of millions of deaths. Those souls can not speak here. I will speak for them.
Lou
Posted by Larry Hoover on March 4, 2016, at 22:09:19
In reply to Lou's warning-more horrific dieases/death, posted by Lou Pilder on February 15, 2016, at 11:33:51
> My Death-O-Meter has its needle bouncing violently.
> LouMy sociopathy meter has its needle buried on the stop above 10. Total sociopathy proven, without a doubt.
Lou Pilder wants to hurt you. He cannot be trusted. The meter does not lie. Lou does, though.
Lar
Posted by SLS on March 5, 2016, at 2:29:30
In reply to Re: Abilify, posted by maximus on February 16, 2016, at 15:52:28
> Lithium gave me stability and a ton of energy (CRF production increases). The dose were 1050 mg a day. Combined with Lamictal, lithium is a very good medecine. It even helps Lamictal working better.
I am confused. CRF (CRF1) receptor antagonists are supposed to help with depression. Maybe increased CRF is good for bipolar disorder mixed states? I don't know.
NIMH research shows that lithium + Lamictal is a good combination.
- Scott
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 5, 2016, at 7:16:36
In reply to Re: Sociopathy meter redline!!! » Lou Pilder, posted by Larry Hoover on March 4, 2016, at 22:09:19
> > My Death-O-Meter has its needle bouncing violently.
> > Lou
>
> My sociopathy meter has its needle buried on the stop above 10. Total sociopathy proven, without a doubt.
>
> Lou Pilder wants to hurt you. He cannot be trusted. The meter does not lie. Lou does, though.
>
> Lar
>
> Friends,
Be not deceived. Mr. Hoover and a collection of other members here are permitted by Mr. Hsiung to post defamation against me here with impunity from his enforcement policy.
I am not trying to harm readers, but to lead them to where they can be freed from the addiction and depression that they are shackled to and prevent life-ruining conditions. This would come from a Jewish perspective that Mr. Hsiung prohibits me from posting here. Mr. Hsiung's policy is against the Jew here, which is what ant-Semitism entails. You can see plainly that there are two standards here, one for those that post defamation against me here with impunity, and the other being the prohibitions posted to me here by Mr. Hsiung that others do not have to be accountable for. This denies me the equal protection of the rules here, which is what discrimination entails. And worse, anti-Semitic propaganda is being allowed to flourish here as being supportive. That could account for Mr. Hoover's and other's hatred being allowed to be posted against me here with impunity.
But it is much worse than that. For by readers seeing what Mr. Hoover is allowed to post about me here with impunity, readers could discard what I am saying and be led to their deaths, or become addicted or get a life-ruining condition. Children could be killed by the drugs being allowed to be advocated here without posting the adverse consequences to the drug which could lead readers to think that these drugs are safer than they really are. Thousands of people are killed each month by these drugs and that is an understated number and not a lie. These drugs are chemicals used in agents to kill insects and parasitic worms and in the commission of mass-murder. They are nerve agents and not medicines, for medicines treat a disease which these disorders are not. They are formulated so that the chemicals pass through the blood brain barrier and trigger the nervous system. By that happening, one could be killed by the first pill or be death-resistant to the chemicals or some place in between. One could become euphoric or go deeper into depression. But they could become addictive regardless of what effect they could have initially. And the next thing you know the drug does nothing. And then you could seek another drug and start the cycle all over again becoming addicted to another drug. Then the misery could set in as seen by the preponderance of the people posting here where others tell them they have taken the wrong drug and to take what they say, all without posting that the drug could cause you to kill yourself or others along with you. And if readers do not believe me because of what Mr. Hoover and others have posted about me and suffer a horrible death by the drugs, their blood will not be upon me.
Lou
Posted by herpills on March 5, 2016, at 21:42:45
In reply to Lou's response-their blood » Larry Hoover, posted by Lou Pilder on March 5, 2016, at 7:16:36
Posted by herpills on March 5, 2016, at 21:43:43
In reply to Lou's response-their blood » Larry Hoover, posted by Lou Pilder on March 5, 2016, at 7:16:36
Posted by Larry Hoover on March 5, 2016, at 23:06:55
In reply to Lou's response-their blood » Larry Hoover, posted by Lou Pilder on March 5, 2016, at 7:16:36
Don't bring Dr. Bob into this, unless you want to learn how he allowed you to ruin Psychobabble, Lou.
You claim to have had some sort of vision (a psychotic break). You claim to be here to save people, but who have you saved? You are living out your fantasy, at the expense of vulnerable people.
You have no insight into just how messed up you are. I remember your distorted posts about the chemistry of psych drugs, on the premise that they were based on Nazi experiments. (I'm a chemist, so you were busted right out of the gate). Chlorine gas does not equal chloride ion. Just an example.
I'm a practising scientist, and when I review your sources, I cringe. You claim that this site is in violation of FDA guidelines, for example. No, it's not Lou. Your links are ridiculous. Show me an fda.gov link that validates your hypothesis, and then maybe we can debate the matter.
You have no insight into your own mental illness, Lou. You are a danger to everyone you engage in conversation, Lou. Some, like SLS, are on to you 100%. Others, especially newbies....I doubt it. You prey on the vulnerable newbies, Lou.
You are a sociopath, Lou. Look it up.
Please crawl back under the rock you came out from under, and stay there.
Lar
Posted by Larry Hoover on March 6, 2016, at 0:02:44
In reply to Re: Lou's response-their blood » Lou Pilder, posted by Larry Hoover on March 5, 2016, at 23:06:55
Let's first examine your narcissism, Lou.
You believe that you are in possession of the solution to the psychiatric ills of all mankind.
Do you deny that, Lou?
You believe that your supposed knowledge is divine, at its source.
Do you deny that, Lou?
You do not engage others in true debate. You, instead, substitute other crackpots' ideas to substantiate your own. That suggests that you think you know better than everyone else.
Do you deny that, Lou?
You have no empathy whatsoever for the emotional truth of those you attack. You do not consider how THEY might feel upon encountering your ideas. Instead, you assume that THEY will see things your way.
Do you deny that, Lou?
When tested, you resort to your perception of rules or guidelines to validate the expression of your views, rather than listening to the words of those who question your viewpoint.
Do you deny that, Lou?
These are only, some of the traits of narcissism, applied to Lou Pilder. All sociopaths are narcissistic, but let's start here, Lou.
And, before you begin your response, I couldn't care less if you are a purple Martian or if you are of the Jewish faith. So don't go there. I will spank you down.
Lar
Posted by SLS on March 6, 2016, at 2:08:44
In reply to All sociopaths are narcissists, Lou., posted by Larry Hoover on March 6, 2016, at 0:02:44
Keep going, Lar...
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=trolls+AND+%28horrible+OR+narcissists+OR+sadists%29
- Scott
> Let's first examine your narcissism, Lou.
>
> You believe that you are in possession of the solution to the psychiatric ills of all mankind.
>
> Do you deny that, Lou?
>
> You believe that your supposed knowledge is divine, at its source.
>
> Do you deny that, Lou?
>
> You do not engage others in true debate. You, instead, substitute other crackpots' ideas to substantiate your own. That suggests that you think you know better than everyone else.
>
> Do you deny that, Lou?
>
> You have no empathy whatsoever for the emotional truth of those you attack. You do not consider how THEY might feel upon encountering your ideas. Instead, you assume that THEY will see things your way.
>
> Do you deny that, Lou?
>
> When tested, you resort to your perception of rules or guidelines to validate the expression of your views, rather than listening to the words of those who question your viewpoint.
>
> Do you deny that, Lou?
>
> These are only, some of the traits of narcissism, applied to Lou Pilder. All sociopaths are narcissistic, but let's start here, Lou.
>
> And, before you begin your response, I couldn't care less if you are a purple Martian or if you are of the Jewish faith. So don't go there. I will spank you down.
>
> Lar
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 6, 2016, at 5:37:20
In reply to Re: Sociopathy meter redline!!! » Lou Pilder, posted by Larry Hoover on March 4, 2016, at 22:09:19
> > My Death-O-Meter has its needle bouncing violently.
> > Lou
>
> My sociopathy meter has its needle buried on the stop above 10. Total sociopathy proven, without a doubt.
>
> Lou Pilder wants to hurt you. He cannot be trusted. The meter does not lie. Lou does, though.
>
> Lar
>
> Friends,
Anti-Semitism can be created and developed in a community by using tactics that are not new and you do not have to be a mastermind to create and develop antisemitism in a community. The playbook is ancient going back centuries showing these tactic here all under the umbrella of being supportive as Mr. Hsiung states that being supportive takes precedence here by him.
Mr. Hoover is given immunity by Mr. Hsiung from his enforcement rules for the creation and development of anti-Semitic hate here along with those, like Scott, that are in concert. The tactic is to portray me as a liar (falsely)and allow others to encourage the slander against me with impunity. This is an old tactic that could lead to violence toward Jews as being scapegoats for this community's real or imagined ills as can be seen in this thread being developed by Mr. Hoover and Scott. To understand how anti-Semitic hate is created and developed in a community let us look at tis writing in the following link. In the link is a link to the writing that brings this out.
Lou
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20041012/msgs/407438.html
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