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Brain development and CBT

Posted by john locke on December 27, 2015, at 8:44:16

Would psychotherapy treatment for social anxiety like CBT that supposedly "changes the brain" work better before the age of 25 since the brain is still developing during this time and is potentially more malleable?

John

 

Re: Brain development and CBT

Posted by baseball55 on December 27, 2015, at 19:41:24

In reply to Brain development and CBT, posted by john locke on December 27, 2015, at 8:44:16

I think people can change and grow at any age, with help and support. I go to AA and see people come in mid-60's and become totally different people. If you're willing and want to change, therapy works. If you're not willing or define yourself as beyond hope, then nothing will help. You'll just stay on this endless quest for meds to make everything all right. And, even under the best of circumstances, meds don't make everything all right.

 

Re: Brain development and CBT » baseball55

Posted by SLS on December 28, 2015, at 6:34:44

In reply to Re: Brain development and CBT, posted by baseball55 on December 27, 2015, at 19:41:24

> I think people can change and grow at any age, with help and support. I go to AA and see people come in mid-60's and become totally different people. If you're willing and want to change, therapy works. If you're not willing or define yourself as beyond hope, then nothing will help. You'll just stay on this endless quest for meds to make everything all right. And, even under the best of circumstances, meds don't make everything all right.

Meds, when they work, can totally change someone's world, but doesn't always change the person inside. That takes work. Meds make that work much easier. Sometimes psychotherapy can accelerate this process. One must also acknowledge that mental illness usually leaves psychological and psychosocial damage it its wake. This must be cleaned up somehow to allow for a more positive movement in life.


- Scott

 

Lou's warning-the devil's playground » SLS

Posted by Lou Pilder on December 28, 2015, at 9:17:41

In reply to Re: Brain development and CBT » baseball55, posted by SLS on December 28, 2015, at 6:34:44

> > I think people can change and grow at any age, with help and support. I go to AA and see people come in mid-60's and become totally different people. If you're willing and want to change, therapy works. If you're not willing or define yourself as beyond hope, then nothing will help. You'll just stay on this endless quest for meds to make everything all right. And, even under the best of circumstances, meds don't make everything all right.
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> Meds, when they work, can totally change someone's world, but doesn't always change the person inside. That takes work. Meds make that work much easier. Sometimes psychotherapy can accelerate this process. One must also acknowledge that mental illness usually leaves psychological and psychosocial damage it its wake. This must be cleaned up somehow to allow for a more positive movement in life.
>
>
> - Scott

Friends,
It is written here,[...meds make that work much easier..(to change a person inside)...].
Be not deceived. The statement here by Scott could give you false hopes that psychotropic mind-altering chemicals will make the work much easier for you to overcome depression. But is that true as Scott has allowed to be seen here?
Let us reason together. Thousands of people are killed by these drugs each month. Were those people that were killed by the drugs helped to overcome their depression? And these drugs could be addictive as the psychiatrist says you have to take them for weeks/months for them to "work" but then the taker of the drugs could be addicted to the drug and if it doesn't work the psychiatrist says to increase the dose or change the drug but there is still that the person could be addicted and could go into withdrawal and kill themselves and or others along with them. Were those people helped to overcome their depression?
There are life-ruining conditions caused by the drugs. Could those people with liver disease/kidney disease, tardive dyskinesia. aka thisia, dystonia, blood disease overcome their depression? At what cost?
Then the drugs themselves could cause a worsening of depression and suicidal thinking and homicidal thinking to want to kill their own family members and go on a shooting rampage to kill innocent children. And you want to take these drugs that Scott here says will make the work of overcoming depression easier? And by what authority does Scott post here to make such a claim? Can you see it? Tell me if you see it. Is what Scott posts here "overgeneralizing" and/or "misinformation"?
Friends, be not deceived. Just because Scott is allowed to post what he has by Mr. Hsiung with impunity, that does not mean that it is true. You could be seriously misled by what Scott has posted here because Mr. Hsiung says that being supportive takes precedence and he does not intercede with a warning so you could be led to think that what Scott has posted here is true and supportive to sway you to drug your child or yourself thinking that these drugs will help you overcome depression when they could cause addiction and life ruining conditions and death and suicidal thoughts and worsen depression. Then the psychiatrist could load you up with multiple drugs that could cause death by heart failure and serotonin syndrome. Friends, the misled mind is the devil's playground.
Lou

 

Re: Brain development and CBT

Posted by linkadge on December 28, 2015, at 10:03:19

In reply to Brain development and CBT, posted by john locke on December 27, 2015, at 8:44:16

Hi,

I think this could be true to some extent. There is some effect of age on the likelihood of full recovery from depression (independent of treatment type), in that older individuals have a slightly lower response rate.

I would look at early treatment as a preventative measure. If untreated depression is neurotoxic, then effective early treatments (insofar as they reduce work to reduce stress) could prevent further deterioration.

Also, effective early treatment might be expected to enhance the development of positive emotional circuitry.

That being said, I wouldn't diminish the ability of any individual to achieve remission. It does take personal work in addition to effective external treatments.

Linkadge

 

Re: Brain development and CBT » john locke

Posted by SLS on December 28, 2015, at 12:24:49

In reply to Brain development and CBT, posted by john locke on December 27, 2015, at 8:44:16

> Would psychotherapy treatment for social anxiety like CBT that supposedly "changes the brain" work better before the age of 25 since the brain is still developing during this time and is potentially more malleable?

I agree with Linkadge.

In studies of a mixed population of young children and adolescents, CBT is reported to be less effective for the older subjects. I'm not sure why.

I found these using Google:

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1207/S15374424JCCP3003_13

http://psycnet.apa.org/journals/ccp/79/6/806/


- Scott

 

Re: Brain development and CBT » SLS

Posted by SLS on December 28, 2015, at 12:47:10

In reply to Re: Brain development and CBT » john locke, posted by SLS on December 28, 2015, at 12:24:49

> > Would psychotherapy treatment for social anxiety like CBT that supposedly "changes the brain" work better before the age of 25 since the brain is still developing during this time and is potentially more malleable?

> I agree with Linkadge.
>
> In studies of a mixed population of young children and adolescents, CBT is reported to be less effective for the older subjects. I'm not sure why.
>
> I found these using Google:
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> http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1207/S15374424JCCP3003_13
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> http://psycnet.apa.org/journals/ccp/79/6/806/

I would just add that CBT is reported to be effective in the elderly. I have not seen a comparison between adolescents and adults, though. Late life onset depression might be the result of processes that are distinctly different for early life depression, so this must be taken into consideration.

My personal experience with CBT and other psychotherapies is that they didn't help my bipolar depression at all, even though I found them helpful to cope with the illness and make some progress in my personal growth.


- Scott

 

Re: Brain development and CBT

Posted by baseball55 on December 29, 2015, at 19:54:40

In reply to Re: Brain development and CBT » SLS, posted by SLS on December 28, 2015, at 12:47:10

DBT and dynamic therapy changed my life and I didn't start until I was 50. To be sure, I needed meds to stabilize the depression but, truthfully, even with the depression somewhat controlled by meds, I needed therapy to deal with both the fallout of depression and the underlying trauma and misery that I did not, and could not have, dealt with when I was young.


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