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Posted by Lou Pilder on August 11, 2015, at 18:49:31
In reply to My apologies for my use of sarcasm. » Lou Pilder, posted by SLS on August 11, 2015, at 9:11:38
> > > > Scott considers me as a Jew inferior to Christiandom people as he claims that I am unsaved as a Jew and need to convert to Christianity to be saved. This is allowed by Mr. Hsiung to be posted here by Scott which is disrespectful to Judaism and Jews and all others that are not members of Christiandom.
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> > > Please do not accuse me of these things. They are not true. I feel that your posts about me are an attempt to put me down in the eyes of others.
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> > Scott,
> > You wrote that it is not true that you posted here to me that I need o convert to Christianity to be saved.
> > Here is your post
> > Lou
> > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20130903/msgs/1055904.html
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> Good work.
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> Unfortunately, the sarcasm in my words is lost without being read within the context of your previous posts regarding the Christian savior and saving. Nevertheless, sarcasm is considered to be uncivil on Psycho-Babble, and I apologize.
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> I have NEVER said that:
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> > Scott considers me as a Jew inferior to Christiandom people
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> You take my words and overgeneralize them in order to portray them as being something they are not. You cannot read my mind. Therefore, you cannot know if I consider you or your religion to be inferior. Please retract that statement.
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> > he claims that I am unsaved as a Jew and need to convert to Christianity to be saved.
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> I made no such "claim", so please retract that statement.
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> Please do not accuse me of considering Jews to be inferior to Christians. I feel that this is an attempt to put me down in the eyes of others - especially Jews.
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> bob@dr-bob.org
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> - Scott
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Scott,
What is the previous post that you refer to here that is regarding the Christian savior and saving?
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on August 11, 2015, at 20:20:37
In reply to Lou's request-Scott's justification » SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on August 11, 2015, at 18:49:31
> > > > > Scott considers me as a Jew inferior to Christiandom people as he claims that I am unsaved as a Jew and need to convert to Christianity to be saved. This is allowed by Mr. Hsiung to be posted here by Scott which is disrespectful to Judaism and Jews and all others that are not members of Christiandom.
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> > > > Please do not accuse me of these things. They are not true. I feel that your posts about me are an attempt to put me down in the eyes of others.
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> > > Scott,
> > > You wrote that it is not true that you posted here to me that I need o convert to Christianity to be saved.
> > > Here is your post
> > > Lou
> > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20130903/msgs/1055904.html
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> > Good work.
> >
> > Unfortunately, the sarcasm in my words is lost without being read within the context of your previous posts regarding the Christian savior and saving. Nevertheless, sarcasm is considered to be uncivil on Psycho-Babble, and I apologize.
> >
> > I have NEVER said that:
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> > > Scott considers me as a Jew inferior to Christiandom people
> >
> > You take my words and overgeneralize them in order to portray them as being something they are not. You cannot read my mind. Therefore, you cannot know if I consider you or your religion to be inferior. Please retract that statement.
> >
> > > he claims that I am unsaved as a Jew and need to convert to Christianity to be saved.
> >
> > I made no such "claim", so please retract that statement.
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> > Please do not accuse me of considering Jews to be inferior to Christians. I feel that this is an attempt to put me down in the eyes of others - especially Jews.
> >
> > bob@dr-bob.org
> >
> >
> > - Scott
> >
> Scott,
> What is the previous post that you refer to here that is regarding the Christian savior and saving?
> Lou>Scott,
You want to justify that what you wrote was sarcasm. I would like for you to provide the URL with what you use here for your claim of sarcasm being lost. I know of no such post to justify your claim that you were being sarcastic.
The statement to me by you is a claim that converting from Judaism to Christianity leads to one being saved. This means that Jews are not saved as being a member of Judaism which dehumanizes Jews. And worse, the common understanding perpetrated by most historical christiandom is that Jews can not enter heaven because to be saved means in the historical teachings of Chrisiandom to be able to enter heaven and to not being saved means that Jews can not enter heaven and worse, that they suffer endless pain in flames for eternity as popular historical Christiandom taught. This dehumanization of Jews fostered the crusades, the Inqusition and the Holocaust. Their reasoning was that since Jews are not saved, but Christians are, the Jews then are inferior people to Christians and being unsaved allows them to be murdered because the murderers were murdering unsaved humans which to them were not human because they were not Christians and unsaved, not going to heaven, so their death is not counted as murder to them.
This type of thinking is carried out here by Mr. Hsiung allowing you to post to me to convert to Christianity to be saved for it is a claim by you for it is written by you as a conclusion to you that I am not saved. This is not sarcasm, but hate that can reach children to see that a psychiatrist allows ancient hatred against the Jews to be seen as being supportive here. Your claim that you conclude that I am not saved depicts me as a Jew as inferior to Christians that you claim are saved. This is what Mr. Hsiung means when he says not to post anything that could put one down for having their faith. You not only put me down but you put down all Jews with your statement here in question and I see no justification for it being justified on any grounds, even if you say that you were being sarcastic.
Lou
Lou
Posted by SLS on August 12, 2015, at 5:29:45
In reply to Geodon add on?, posted by Sheilac on August 8, 2015, at 9:14:14
Hi Sheilac.
How are you?
What have you and your doctor decided on?
It is EXTREMELY unfortunate that your thread was hijacked. Without active moderation, it might happen again. To get the most out of Psycho-Babble, it may be necessary for you to ignore posts from particular posters. It is not unusual that a forum like this should attract people who are disruptive - whether or not this is their intention.
It is NOT YOUR FAULT that a few people have used your thread as a battlefield. You did nothing wrong. Your post was perfect.
I apologize to you for the role I played in the altercation.
You might want to help convince Dr. Bob to moderate his website more closely so that threads do not get hijacked and civility be restored to the posting community. You can write him a short letter at the following email address:
I sincerely hope that you are feeling better. I know that you are trying very hard. Please keep us informed as to your progress.
- Scott
Posted by Lou Pilder on August 12, 2015, at 6:19:45
In reply to Sheilac - Geodon add on? » Sheilac, posted by SLS on August 12, 2015, at 5:29:45
> Hi Sheilac.
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> How are you?
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> What have you and your doctor decided on?
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> It is EXTREMELY unfortunate that your thread was hijacked. Without active moderation, it might happen again. To get the most out of Psycho-Babble, it may be necessary for you to ignore posts from particular posters. It is not unusual that a forum like this should attract people who are disruptive - whether or not this is their intention.
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> It is NOT YOUR FAULT that a few people have used your thread as a battlefield. You did nothing wrong. Your post was perfect.
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> I apologize to you for the role I played in the altercation.
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> You might want to help convince Dr. Bob to moderate his website more closely so that threads do not get hijacked and civility be restored to the posting community. You can write him a short letter at the following email address:
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> bob@dr-bob.org
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> I sincerely hope that you are feeling better. I know that you are trying very hard. Please keep us informed as to your progress.
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> - ScottScott,
You wrote that this thread was hijacked and you advocate that some posters be ignored and that there are disruptive people here that use this thread as a battlefield and you advise the poster, Sheilac, to write a letter to Mr. Hsiung that civility needs to be restored.
I could be your subject person here which could induce hostile and disagreeable opinions and feelings toward me here and decrease the respect, regard and confidence in which I am held since your statements could arouse ill-will toward me and put me in a false light as a disruptive, person that hijacks threads. And worse, your statements could lead readers to shun me that could result in anti-Semitic violence being perpetrated against me and other Jews as your statement that could be thought to be directed at me, the person that is trying t purge the anti-Semitic statements from this site and to stop the promotion of anti-Semitic propaganda that could infect vulnerable readers with hatred toward the Jews here that see that what you have written here is being allowed by Mr. Hsiung to be seen as being supportive.
Your advocating to write letters to Mr. Hsiung could defame me even more as that could stigmatize me here as a disruptive person when all the time I am trying to stop you being in concert with Mr. Hsiung to defame the Jews here by him allowing you to defame me here. It will take someone greater than me to stop you and Mr. Hsiung attacking my character here that induces hatred into the souls of vulnerable readers that could lead to their death as the mind-altering drugs that you promote as "medicines" could take over the minds of our young people to assassinate in mass-murder in theaters, schools, churches, shopping malls ect.
You want to use this site to advocate that others write letters to Mr. Hsiung about me. This could allow hate to be sent to Mr. Hsiung behind my back. That is hitting below the belt.
And you readers that are persuaded by Scott here to hit me from behind, this defamation against me shall not pass, for children could be killed by mothers drugging their child in collaboration with a psychiatrist by the defamation against me being allowed by a psychiatrist here to be seen as being supportive which could cause those mothers to disregard of hearing from me that could have prevented the death of their child.
Lou
Posted by Sheilac on August 12, 2015, at 7:11:38
In reply to Re: Geodon add on? » Sheilac, posted by phidippus on August 11, 2015, at 18:21:59
When I got up to 600mg or even 300mg Trileptal I had severe joint paint, so bad that I could barely move.
I found Trileptal at 150mg to be a "better" Klonopin type med for me.
I definitely think the higher dose of Geodon was messing with my mood. I didn't have moodiness on 120mg of Geodon.
I'm going to stick with the 120mg and try Depakote again. If I feel irritable I've always got Klonopin.
Posted by SLS on August 12, 2015, at 7:26:16
In reply to Re: Geodon add on? » phidippus, posted by Sheilac on August 12, 2015, at 7:11:38
> When I got up to 600mg or even 300mg Trileptal I had severe joint paint, so bad that I could barely move.
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> I found Trileptal at 150mg to be a "better" Klonopin type med for me.
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> I definitely think the higher dose of Geodon was messing with my mood. I didn't have moodiness on 120mg of Geodon.
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> I'm going to stick with the 120mg and try Depakote again. If I feel irritable I've always got Klonopin.Depakote can be a powerful anti-manic medication. My manias - although rare - completely disappear very quickly. Depakote also has some anti-anxiety properties. For me, I need 1000-1500 mg/day to treat mania. However, my manias are severe, and represent an atypical presentation of bipolar I disorder.
You should be aware that some people - not all - experience some residual depression with Depakote. Hopefully, this will be offset by Geodon.
It is a good idea to have multiple blood tests for the first 6 months to screen for elevated liver enzymes. Thereafter, you can go twice a year.
If for some reason Lamictal is chosen for its antidepressant properties, you MUST use only 1/2 the usual dosage when it is combined with Depakote.
Good luck.
- Scott
Posted by Sheilac on August 12, 2015, at 7:27:33
In reply to Sheilac - Geodon add on? » Sheilac, posted by SLS on August 12, 2015, at 5:29:45
Thanks Scott. Things got crazy on this thread, which is not what my intention were.
I clearly stated that I'm NOT taking Tramadol anymore.
The higher dose of Geofon (180mg) was too activating and made me irritable. So I'm back to 120mg.
I'm trying to find the right add-on. I can either do low doses 150mg at a time) 2-3 times a day of Trileptal or I can try to dose the Depakote Sprinkles a few times a day with Klonopin.
I tried 500mg Depakote ER and it made me hyper crazy. After a few days of that I couldn't take it. For some reason the sprinkles hit me better.
High doses of Trileptal cause incredibly painful joint pain and swelling, so much so it's hard to walk. So a high dose of Trileptal, which I love, is out of the question.
I was even thinking of trying Topamax. Years ago it was great for me, but caused cystitis, which was painful.
So, for now, I'm really trying the Depakote. I just hate the liver implications, as I enjoy a glass of wine occasionally.
I just don't understand why meds like Depakote and Lamictal make me manicky.
Posted by SLS on August 12, 2015, at 7:32:28
In reply to Re: Sheilac - Geodon add on? » SLS, posted by Sheilac on August 12, 2015, at 7:27:33
> I just don't understand why meds like Depakote and Lamictal make me manicky.
Neither do I.
Have you ever tried a stimulant? I know it sounds weird, but amphetamine can have a calming and anti-manic effect for some people. Perhaps you are prone to having paradoxical drug reactions.
- Scott
Posted by Sheilac on August 12, 2015, at 7:42:32
In reply to Re: Sheilac - Geodon add on? » Sheilac, posted by SLS on August 12, 2015, at 7:32:28
Yes, I take Adderall and I find it helps me stay alert, helps with depression and doesn't cause mania like caffeine does.
I'm still going to give Depakote one more try.
I think my doc said Trileptal can reduce Geodon in the blood, so she might not let me try Trileptal.
I'm also having problems sleeping so I take a high dose (10mg) of Melatonin and 50mg of Atarax an antihistamine. I think the Atarax is causing morning grogginess. But I'm desperate for sleep and Depakote keeps me awake and Geodon does nothing for my sleep.
Posted by phidippus on August 12, 2015, at 13:12:35
In reply to Re: Sheilac - Geodon add on? » SLS, posted by Sheilac on August 12, 2015, at 7:27:33
Have you tried Tegretol?
How do you react to 1000 mg of Depakote?
describe the mania you get on lamictal and depakote.
Eric
Posted by Sheilac on August 12, 2015, at 13:54:49
In reply to Re: Sheilac - Geodon add on? » Sheilac, posted by phidippus on August 12, 2015, at 13:12:35
Tegretol caused too many side effects and interactions with other meds. I love Trileptal, except for the severe joint pain and painful swelling.
Last year I started using a low dose of 250mg Depakote Sprinkles for depression. It added a boost to my mood. Then, after 2 surgeries this year I stopped taking it.
I am under a great deal of stress (mother dying of cancer), we've moved once this year and will probably move again (which means I am doing all the packing & moving) and I've had 2 surgeries, etc. the list of major stressors goes on.
It's very important for me to get good sleep, and the only way to achieve that is through taking melatonin & Atarax is a must to knock me out.
I've never gone beyond 500mg of Depakote. At 500mg it makes me hyper and full of energy. I actually got so revved up on Depakote I removed all the wallpaper in 3 bathrooms of my house and I couldn't stop. I was sweating with energy.
Because I sometimes like a martini or a glass of wine, I've been afraid to go beyond the 500mg of Depakote.
For some reason I reacted poorly on the Depakote ER, but I do very well on the Sprinkles. Doesn't make sense, but they seem like 2 different meds.
I hate the thought of blood tests and possibly frying my liver.
But I feel like I've run out if options.
Right now, I'm taking 375mg Depakote Sprinkles in the morning with either a Xanax or Klonopin and I'm trying to take Depakote in the afternoon as well, but I'm afraid. I think at the very least I need another 375mg in the afternoon.
My doc wanted to push the Geodon, but it made me too irritable. My sweet spot with Geodon is 120mg and works fantastic. But my life is spinning out if control and I need sleep and more stabilization.
I guess I shouldn't be afraid to up the Depakote to at least 750mg a day. I might lose some hair, but maybe the higher dose won't make me hyper. Or maybe I just take it with a Klonopin. Maybe after a week of a constant dose my blood with have a steady stream of Depakote and all will be better.
I wish Trileptal worked. I loved that med.
Thanks for your concern and listening to me. I know I shouldn't be afraid of Depakote, but it's nice to get some opinions & encouragement here on the board.
Posted by SLS on August 12, 2015, at 15:16:11
In reply to Re: Sheilac - Geodon add on? » phidippus, posted by Sheilac on August 12, 2015, at 13:54:49
Maybe Aptiom (eslicarbazine) would be better for you than Trileptal. It is a sister drug, but might be different enough to avoid the side effects that caused you to discontinue Trileptal.
Let Phidippus (Eric) go through all of the mood-stabilizing drugs with you. He likes Keppra, but I don't know if your specific symptoms indicate its use.
Don't take caffeine.
- Scott
Posted by Sheilac on August 12, 2015, at 17:00:10
In reply to Re: Sheilac - Geodon add on? » Sheilac, posted by SLS on August 12, 2015, at 15:16:11
Pdoc just called and said Depakote should make me sleepy, which would be awesome. She said to stay on Geodon 120mg and as of tonight to take 1000mg Depakote ER with dinner, at least 3 hours before bed and it should help me sleep. In a week I'll get my blood work done.
Let's hope it helps the hypomania and I actually start getting some sleep.
Posted by Lou Pilder on August 12, 2015, at 19:35:42
In reply to Re: Sheilac - Geodon add on? » SLS, posted by Sheilac on August 12, 2015, at 17:00:10
> Pdoc just called and said Depakote should make me sleepy, which would be awesome. She said to stay on Geodon 120mg and as of tonight to take 1000mg Depakote ER with dinner, at least 3 hours before bed and it should help me sleep. In a week I'll get my blood work done.
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> Let's hope it helps the hypomania and I actually start getting some sleep.Friends, mothers etal,
The poster here lists a combination of at least 4 drugs that she takes. The combination of the drugs could cause death. And if that does not happen, tardive dyskinesia could happen. And the thinking could be distorted so much that irrational behavior could result.
You may think that the advise that comes from here is all supportive for the owner states that support takes precedence. But is death supportive? Is tardive dyskinesia supportive? And be advised that these drugs change the body so that stopping them could put the drugee in a mind-altered state to be compelled to kill themselves as they can go into a horrific withdrawal where death is preferred.
The people here that advocate taking these drugs and advise others to do so, leave that part out. That could seriously mislead readers here to their deaths or getting of a life-ruining condition. And you mothers trying to make a more informed decision as to drug your child or not in collaboration with a psychiatrist. Ask your psychiatrist before you drug your child to read me here. The psychiatrist will get a whole lot more of info, and a lot less crock of (expletive).
Lou
Posted by SLS on August 13, 2015, at 0:05:45
In reply to Re: Sheilac - Geodon add on? » SLS, posted by Sheilac on August 12, 2015, at 17:00:10
One can start Depakote right at 1000 mg/day. In fact, one can even take more at first in the form of a loading dose, so 1000 mg/day is nothing to be afraid of. For me, 1000 mg/day is the minimum dosage that extinguishes my mania.
Good luck.
- Scott
Posted by Sheilac on August 13, 2015, at 6:50:45
In reply to Lou's warning-ehylotless » Sheilac, posted by Lou Pilder on August 12, 2015, at 19:35:42
Lou, give it a break!
I clearly said I DO NOT TAKE TRAMADOL ANYMORE!
I am taking Geodon & Depakote. Geez.
Stop hijacking my post!
Posted by Lou Pilder on August 13, 2015, at 7:14:50
In reply to Re: Lou's warning-ehylotless » Lou Pilder, posted by Sheilac on August 13, 2015, at 6:50:45
> Lou, give it a break!
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> I clearly said I DO NOT TAKE TRAMADOL ANYMORE!
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> I am taking Geodon & Depakote. Geez.
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> Stop hijacking my post!S,
You wrote,[...I do not take Tramadol...].
But you do list Atarax with Geodon which could cause sudden death. And the rest of the drugs that you take together could reduce your thinking to that of a helpless robot with impaired thinking which could induce you to kill yourself.
Be not deceived that I am hijacking your thread. For I am posting a response to what you wrote. And I am trying to save lives and prevent life-ruining conditions and addictions. This forum is for medication issues like that and for education and support. So don't tell me what to do and don't tell me what to say.
Lou
Posted by Sheilac on August 13, 2015, at 7:34:38
In reply to Lou's reply-a warning -sudden death » Sheilac, posted by Lou Pilder on August 13, 2015, at 7:14:50
My doc knows I take a low dose of Atarax and is fine with it.
It doesn't effect my judgement. I'm not going to kill myself. I'm perfectly fine. In fact, since upping the Depakote last night, I slept great and haven't had to take the Atarax.
Everything I discuss on this forum, I discuss with my doc. My doc knows all the meds I take, as does my pharmacist.
I promise I will not accidentally or purposely kill myself on Geodon or Depakote.
You've made your point.
Posted by Lou Pilder on August 13, 2015, at 7:58:56
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-a warning -sudden death » Lou Pilder, posted by Sheilac on August 13, 2015, at 7:34:38
> My doc knows I take a low dose of Atarax and is fine with it.
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> It doesn't effect my judgement. I'm not going to kill myself. I'm perfectly fine. In fact, since upping the Depakote last night, I slept great and haven't had to take the Atarax.
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> Everything I discuss on this forum, I discuss with my doc. My doc knows all the meds I take, as does my pharmacist.
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> I promise I will not accidentally or purposely kill myself on Geodon or Depakote.
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> You've made your point.S,
You wrote,[...My doc knows all the (drugs) I take...]
The doc knew all the drugs Micheal Jackson was taking. The doc knew all the drugs Anna Nicole Smith was taking. The doc knew all the drugs that Robin Williams was taking. The doc knew all the drugs that Elvis Pressley was taking. In fact, the docs know that these drugs kill thousands of people each and every month. In fact, you can read it in the morning papers, hear it on the radio, these drugs are killing our people, and the FDA does know.
Lou
Posted by rockerchick46 on August 13, 2015, at 9:59:39
In reply to Lou's reply-a warning - » Sheilac, posted by Lou Pilder on August 13, 2015, at 7:58:56
Hi Sheliac,
I support you -Lou is just an a^^ hole.
Tammy
Posted by Lou Pilder on August 13, 2015, at 16:20:11
In reply to Shame, shame on you , Lou » Lou Pilder, posted by 10derheart on August 11, 2015, at 14:16:10
> You know damn well that was sarcasm in Scott's 2013 post and you know damn well the context of that thread.
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> I only feel badly for the posters engaging you now in an attempt to reason with the chronically unreasonable. They are wasting their time and energy.
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> Do you ever do anything constructive IRL to fight for the rights of humans? Or does it all take place here in your mind?10,
It really doesn't matter to me if Scott wants to claim being sarcastic or not. You see, sarcasm is ridicule and mockery and taunting me. The overriding issue is that Scott and Mr. Hsiung show a type of partnership, being in concert with each other on this allowing of anti-Semitic propaganda to be posted with imputy and further being allowed to be seen as supportive by Mr. Hsiung which could lead impressionable readers to think that Mr. Hsiung is validating the anti-Semitic hate being allowed to stand. In fact, by Scott invoking that he used sarcasm against me here by defaming Jews as inferior to Christians showing the historical anti-Semitic hate that fostered the Crusades, the Inquisition and the Holocaust, this to me shows a contempt for all Jews and worse, Mr. Hsiung is allowing it to be seen as being supportive. The tragedy here is that there is a powerful wind of persuasion pushing hatred against the Jews that coms from here because the psychiatrist that could stop it won't. There is shame here, but it is not coming from me, for I am trying to stop Mr. Hsiung and those in concert with him from posing defamatory messages here about my character and to purge out the old hatred of the Jews that is allowed to spread from here like a forest fire as the anti-Semitism is allowed by Mr. Hsiung to be seen as in his thinking to be good for his community as a whole. Where on this earth is anti-Semitism being allowed to be fostered because the leader allows it to be seen as being supportive and why would you want to be in the orchestra of hate with those that are allowed to defame the Jews here?
Lou
Posted by Phillipa on August 13, 2015, at 18:07:33
In reply to Lou's request-orchestra of hate » 10derheart, posted by Lou Pilder on August 13, 2015, at 16:20:11
Posted by phidippus on August 13, 2015, at 19:57:39
In reply to Lou's reply-a warning -sudden death » Sheilac, posted by Lou Pilder on August 13, 2015, at 7:14:50
Lou,
You're an idiot.
Eric
Posted by Lou Pilder on August 13, 2015, at 20:01:10
In reply to Re: A Pest On This Thread, posted by rockerchick46 on August 13, 2015, at 9:59:39
> Hi Sheliac,
> I support you -Lou is just an a^^ hole.
> TammyTammy,
You wrote the subject line characterizing me as a pest.
Please do not post anything about my character that could arouse anti-Semitic feelings and elude to the Holocaust and genocide. This could decrease the respect, regard and confidence in which I am held and induce anti-Semitic hatred toward me, and then all Jews. This is all because your "Dr. Bob" is allowing anti-Semitic propaganda to be posted without sanction so that the hatred toward the Jews then could be thought by other readers as that it is supportive b him and worse, that in his vision, the community will be improved in some way so that leaving anti-Semitic propaganda to be seen as not against his rules, that will then be good for his community as a whole as he thinks. That is a powerful influence to children reading here to accept anti-Semitic propaganda as being good as they could think that the psychiatrist is validating the hate.
I am not a pest to be eradicated. But worse, you are allowed by Mr. Hsiung to post this that could create a collective pathology and more anti-Semitic propaganda could spread from here like a forest fire.
Lou
Posted by Phillipa on August 13, 2015, at 20:05:40
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-a warning -sudden death » Lou Pilder, posted by phidippus on August 13, 2015, at 19:57:39
Hi Eric it's hard to believe some people don't get it isn't it?
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