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Posted by SLS on June 30, 2015, at 7:43:24
In reply to Re: Akathisia? Restless Leg Syndrome? Need Some Advice, posted by Scleme1 on June 29, 2015, at 23:12:09
"Dirty" does not mean undesirable. One person's dirty equals another person's remission. It is very often the case where someone needs more than one pharmacological effect to get well. Luvox is often the most effective SSRI for OCD. However it can also be sedating and sleep-promting. Luvox might have the lowest risk of producing akathisia precisely because it is dirty (sigma-1 receptor agonist). Luvox is somewhat sedating and might help with insomnia and anxiety at bedtime.
Adding Remeron would be interesting. It can be anxiolytic for some people and very often sleep-promoting at low dosages. Remeron might also make an SSRI or SNRI more effective for depression, especially at higher dosages.
I can see how CBT might be very helpful for you, particularly because you seem to have a psychological association between being in bed the triggering of anxiety.
http://www.health.harvard.edu/newsletter_article/overcoming-insomnia
Ulltimately, you may need to switch antidepressants and add CBT. You might as well begin CBT now and create a plan for sequencing medication trials if necessary.
- Scott
Posted by SLS on June 30, 2015, at 8:14:38
In reply to Re: Lou's response-Dr. Quackenbush » Lou Pilder, posted by Scleme1 on June 29, 2015, at 21:41:52
> Lou What's the matter with you? Thankfully, I know myself and the medications that I take well enough to understand that everything you are saying is bullsh*t. Why would you try and scare people with your lies and fearmongering? I do not appreciate your convoluted insight or help. Please do not post a response or any further comments in my thread. I would like to hear from honest, intellectual people. I think you might need to switch mess yourself!
Hi, Aaron.
I avoid reading and replying to the posts of Mr. Pilder. I have found that to reply to them is without effect and only tempts me to say uncivil things out of frustration. I would recommend to anyone who feels similarly frustrated and is habitually upset by what Mr. Pilder writes that they avoid interacting with him entirely.
I hope that I was careful enough not to disparage or otherwise qualify the statements of Mr. Pilder. I have, however, tried to qualify my reactions to and subsequent avoidance of them.
I will check from time to time to see if posts are better redirected and placed on the Administration board in so that the Medication board remains on topic for treatment issues. Of course, this is open to subjective judgement.
Civil communication as suggested by Psycho-Babble:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
- Scott
Posted by Scleme1 on June 30, 2015, at 8:36:51
In reply to Re: Akathisia? Restless Leg Syndrome? Need Some Advice » Scleme1, posted by SLS on June 30, 2015, at 7:43:24
> Adding Remeron would be interesting. It can be anxiolytic for some people and very often sleep-promoting at low dosages. Remeron might also make an SSRI or SNRI more effective for depression, especially at higher dosages.
>I remember trying Remeron 15 years ago. It was the closest thing to being a zombie I can imagine without actually dying and becoming reanimated. Sounds like it might be just the thing I need right now!
Posted by Lamdage22 on June 30, 2015, at 15:00:16
In reply to Re: Akathisia? Restless Leg Syndrome? Need Some Advice, posted by Scleme1 on June 30, 2015, at 8:36:51
It is certainly not b*llsh*t that akathisia can be permanent after discontinuation of your meds.
Posted by Lou Pilder on June 30, 2015, at 15:03:54
In reply to Re: Akathisia? Restless Leg Syndrome? Need Some Advice, posted by Lamdage22 on June 30, 2015, at 15:00:16
> It is certainly not b*llsh*t that akathisia can be permanent after discontinuation of your meds.
>
> L,
clap,clap,clap,clap,clap,clap
Lou
Posted by 10derheart on June 30, 2015, at 16:33:38
In reply to Lou's response-death by Zoloft » Scleme1, posted by Lou Pilder on June 30, 2015, at 6:47:04
It's not all about you.
I don't see the evidence of humility. (HHHH)
Are you the Christ/Messiah/Savior? Or, do you know Him? If not, who has come back from the dead that you refer to?
Posted by hello123 on June 30, 2015, at 16:53:09
In reply to Re: Akathisia? Restless Leg Syndrome? Need Some Advice, posted by Lamdage22 on June 30, 2015, at 15:00:16
yep, pretty much any chemical that alters brain function in such a profound way can have permanent negative effects in certain people.
and in some cases psychiatric meds can even have positive permanent effects.what/who makes anyone think the effects psych meds have on the brain cant possibly, especially the negative ones, be permanent? are these sources anywhere near as trustworthy as someone you know personally that you can put your full trust in?
Posted by scleme1 on June 30, 2015, at 17:39:44
In reply to Re: Akathisia? Restless Leg Syndrome? Need Some Advice, posted by hello123 on June 30, 2015, at 16:53:09
I don't know where we got off target here, but I'm never asked whether or not this feeling is permanent. I just wanted to get opinions on what the feelings might be - Akathisia, RLS, Anxiety, etc - so I could start trying to address the cause.
If Lou the Idiot would stop trolling and hijacking my thread, I might get some sound answers. This place used to be where incredibly smart and well educated people hung out and helped each other.
Posted by Lou Pilder on June 30, 2015, at 19:23:15
In reply to Re: Lou's response-death by Zoloft » Lou Pilder, posted by 10derheart on June 30, 2015, at 16:33:38
> It's not all about you.
>
> I don't see the evidence of humility. (HHHH)
>
> Are you the Christ/Messiah/Savior? Or, do you know Him? If not, who has come back from the dead that you refer to?10,
It was years ago. And I was in The Garden when death came into the world. And in the midst of The Garden was the Rider on a white horse. And I saw death come into Adam and Eve. Gone were the green fields that they used to know.
And then the Rider and Adam were talking and I could understand their words. Adam said, "Look what we have done. Death has come into the world because of us. What must we do to be saved?"
The rider said, "Let not your heart be troubled. If you believe in God, believe in me also. For you are the first Adam that has brought death to come into the world and The Garden you have to leave. But I am the Last Adam, where death will be cast into The Lake of Fire and cause the return to The Garden. For I must die first and then I will live again to overcome death and bring you back to where you once belonged."
Lou
Posted by SLS on June 30, 2015, at 19:54:15
In reply to Re: Akathisia? Restless Leg Syndrome? Need Some Advice, posted by hello123 on June 30, 2015, at 16:53:09
Hi.
> yep, pretty much any chemical that alters brain function in such a profound way can have permanent negative effects in certain people.
Could you be more specific? It would be helpful to certain people.
- Scott
Posted by SLS on June 30, 2015, at 20:41:38
In reply to Re: Akathisia? Restless Leg Syndrome? Need Some Advice, posted by Lamdage22 on June 30, 2015, at 15:00:16
> It is certainly not b*llsh*t that akathisia can be permanent after discontinuation of your meds.
Yes. This is called TARDIVE akathisia (as opposed to acute akathisia). It is sometimes irreversible. It emerges only after taking an antipsychotic for an extended period of time. It occurs infrequently with the use of older antipsychotics and rarely with the newer ones. I don't think there are any statistics regarding this. Of the newer drugs, my guess is that Abilify has the greatest potential to produce acute (immediate) reversible akathisia, although Clozaril might also be liable. A lot of people experience mild akathisia-like symptoms when beginnng treatment with Abilify. By contrast, I found only two cases of what is described as tardive akathisia with Abilify on Medline.
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I think the term "akathisia" is overused. It is often mistaken for anxiety and agitation. The symptoms that best discriminated akathisia from non-akathisia are:
- rapid shifting weight from foot to foot while standing
- walking in place
- inability to keep legs still
- feelings of inner restlessness
- shifting of body position in a chair.
- rocking forwards and backwords in a chair--------------------------------------
- Scott
Posted by Christ_empowered on June 30, 2015, at 21:32:50
In reply to Re: Akathisia? Restless Leg Syndrome? Need Some Advice » Lamdage22, posted by SLS on June 30, 2015, at 20:41:38
That's a lot of zoloft. Maybe its akathisia? I would think at that dose you'd see some antipsychoitc-ish side effects. RLS is, I think, related to akathisia in a lot of psych patients...don't they treat it with sedatives and dopamine agonists?
Not an expert, but...maybe gabepentin, or the new one...lyrica...a benzo, high dose b6 might help...add wellbutrin (?).
Hope you and your doc figure something out.
Posted by 10derheart on June 30, 2015, at 23:58:32
In reply to Lou's response-The Garden » 10derheart, posted by Lou Pilder on June 30, 2015, at 19:23:15
Ok, Lou.
Some of my favorite Jews are Messianic. But...whatever.
I will stop contributing to the hijack of scleme1's thread now.
Will you?
Posted by SLS on July 1, 2015, at 2:30:56
In reply to Re: Akathisia? Restless Leg Syndrome? Need Some Advice, posted by Christ_empowered on June 30, 2015, at 21:32:50
> That's a lot of zoloft. Maybe its akathisia? I would think at that dose you'd see some antipsychoitc-ish side effects. RLS is, I think, related to akathisia in a lot of psych patients...don't they treat it with sedatives and dopamine agonists?
>
> Not an expert, but...maybe gabepentin, or the new one...lyrica...a benzo, high dose b6 might help...add wellbutrin (?).
>
> Hope you and your doc figure something out.Lyrica is a good choice for akathisia, from what I've read. However, I wouldn't want to take a drug that produces chronic akathisia unless there were no other choice. I don't know what percentage of cases of acute or chronic, or tardive akathisia go on to become irreversible. I have been taking Abilify for over 10 years. Right now, I have no concerns. If I were to develop akathisia - which would be tardive - I would stop it immediately. I don't know what I would use as a substitute. It is unique among available antipsychotics as it is a dopamine receptor partial agonist.
- Scott
Posted by Robert_Burton_1621 on July 1, 2015, at 5:35:12
In reply to Re: Akathisia? Restless Leg Syndrome? Need Some Advice » scleme1, posted by SLS on June 29, 2015, at 22:21:55
> Akathisia with Zoloft (sertraline) is not unusual. This might be because it is an antagonist of sigma-1 receptors; something unique among the SSRIs. Luvox (fluvoxamine) does just the opposite. Still, you might not be experiencing akathisia per se. In akathisia, there are no focal sensations in the limbs. Also, akathisia presents all day long, not just at bedtime.
>
> Have you tried Luvox?> Your experience might very well be behavioral and psychosomatic. CBT could be your answer.
>
>
> - ScottI agree with Scott (not that I'm nearly as knowledgeable) about zoloft - and some other SSRIs - being capable of causing akathisia as well as his observation that what you report experiencing solely at night time is unlikely to be akathisia.
As regards RLS, SSRIs can also cause this, but in your recount you don't mention symptoms concentrated initially and primarily in the legs, and neither do you state that the urge to move worsens with rest or immobility. RLS is usually worse in the evening but is definitely not restricted to that period. Do you get heavy, irritable limbs during the day when you relax, like when you watch the TV? With RLS, movement usually brings immediate relief - do you get *relief* through moving?
Apart from medication, low iron levels can cause RLS. Have you had these checked?
If your mental health can sustain it, I wonder whether it might be prudent to lower your zoloft a bit and see whether the symptoms improve? I experienced exactly what you describe when I was taking more than 300mg of effexor; the symptoms disappeared when I reduced to 225mg.
As for medications to treat RLS (and also I think akathisia), a dopamine agonist may be helpful. For RLS, pramipexole is usually prescribed.
Good luck.
Posted by Robert_Burton_1621 on July 1, 2015, at 5:49:06
In reply to Re: Lou's response-Dr. Quackenbush » Scleme1, posted by SLS on June 30, 2015, at 8:14:38
> > Lou What's the matter with you? Thankfully, I know myself and the medications that I take well enough to understand that everything you are saying is bullsh*t. Why would you try and scare people with your lies and fearmongering? I do not appreciate your convoluted insight or help. Please do not post a response or any further comments in my thread. I would like to hear from honest, intellectual people. I think you might need to switch mess yourself!
>
> Hi, Aaron.
>
> I avoid reading and replying to the posts of Mr. Pilder. I have found that to reply to them is without effect and only tempts me to say uncivil things out of frustration. I would recommend to anyone who feels similarly frustrated and is habitually upset by what Mr. Pilder writes that they avoid interacting with him entirely.
>
> I hope that I was careful enough not to disparage or otherwise qualify the statements of Mr. Pilder. I have, however, tried to qualify my reactions to and subsequent avoidance of them.
>
> I will check from time to time to see if posts are better redirected and placed on the Administration board in so that the Medication board remains on topic for treatment issues. Of course, this is open to subjective judgement.
>
> Civil communication as suggested by Psycho-Babble:
>
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
>
>
> - ScottHi also Aaron.
Scott's advice is, on the relevant subject, salutory. I regrettably left psychobabble for months because of the persistent, mostly unconstructive, mostly poorly-informed, mostly inapposite, and sometimes highly offensive and accusatory interventions by Mr Pilder to threads initiated by members with conscientious questions who are suffering often intractable conditions and symptoms. I left at a time when I first started on parnate and needed all the well-informed advice and support I could get. Since leaving, I have had two hypertensive crises, one very dangerous, but felt disinclined to resume my participation here because of the apprehension that Mr. Pilder would seek irrelevantly to monopolise any thread I might compose. Reading his interventions - even seeing them listed in the thread - became a source of anxiety and deep disappointment. Responding to them even more so: nothing can be gained from doing so, and much can be compromised, including one's mental health and the confidence one has in pyschobabble as a forum worth remaining associated with and contributing to.
I commend the substance of your response to Mr Pilder but, in your best interests, it would be best to make it your last.
Best.
Posted by Lou Pilder on July 1, 2015, at 5:59:15
In reply to Why are we talking about permanent effects??, posted by scleme1 on June 30, 2015, at 17:39:44
> I don't know where we got off target here, but I'm never asked whether or not this feeling is permanent. I just wanted to get opinions on what the feelings might be - Akathisia, RLS, Anxiety, etc - so I could start trying to address the cause.
>
> If Lou the Idiot would stop trolling and hijacking my thread, I might get some sound answers. This place used to be where incredibly smart and well educated people hung out and helped each other.Friends,
Be advised that the slander against me here is just another tactic allowed here to defame me and then reduce the regard and respect and confidence in which I am held which could induce hostile and disagreeable opinions and feelings toward me. The false charges against me here could sway you to disregard what I write here that IMHHHO what I write could save your life, prevent life-ruining conditions, addictions and death.
This is not a new tactic but an old tactic to arouse ill-will toward a member of a community that posts from a Jewish perspective as revealed to me. The fact that it is allowed by the governing body here to post disparaging epithets about me with impunity, could stigmatize me and lead readers to think that it will be good for this community as a whole for the hate to be seen as being supportive, for being supportive takes precedence according to Mr. Hsiung here.
It is this fostering of anti-Semitic hate here that I think could cost you your life or your child's life as you or your child being a victim of anti-Semitic propaganda being allowed to be seen as being supportive here by Mr. Hsiung and his deputies of record. Because it is being allowed to be seen as supportive, you could disregard my warnings about that thousands of people are killed each and every month from these drugs and you may not believe that because I said it and I am being made a target person here to be the recipient of defamation to be seen as supportive by Mr. Hsiung.
The children that are killed by these drugs can not speak here to warn you that your child could be killed by these drugs also. But is to call me an idiot and be allowed for it to stand something that this site could be held to promoting death? And if so, I do not want the readers that have been killed or will be killed by these drugs being promoted here to have their blood be upon me. That is not trolling, but trying to save lives for I do not want children to suffer a horrible death by them. For when those that take these drugs get a movement disorder from the drugs, that is a time where many kill themselves and commit mass-murder, for they know not what to do and could not even know that it comes from the drugs that they are taking in collaboration with a psychiatrist. This is one way that the drugs kill innocent people. In the state of akathisia, they don't know what to do and can go off in a shooting rampage. This thread is where the poster asks for advise. With that request, there can be a response to it. So don't tell me what to say and don't tell me what to do. You can promote drugs here that can cause death, so could I not respond to your promotion of these drugs to warn readers of the tragic consequences that these drugs can induce? If not, why not?
Lou
Posted by SLS on July 1, 2015, at 6:21:40
In reply to Re: Akathisia? Restless Leg Syndrome? Need Some Advice » SLS, posted by Robert_Burton_1621 on July 1, 2015, at 5:35:12
Correction:
I characterized Zoloft (sertraline) as being a sigma-1 antagonist. It is a sigma-1 agonist.
My apologies.
- Scott
Posted by Scleme1 on July 1, 2015, at 8:32:04
In reply to Re: Lou's response-Dr. Quackenbush » SLS, posted by Robert_Burton_1621 on July 1, 2015, at 5:49:06
Thank you both for your input. Very insightful and helpful. After speaking with a Dr. friend of mine last night, I am also starting to believe this is not Akathisia or RLS. I believe this is either a case of simple anxiety and poor bedtime/bedroom practices (laying in bed on my phone for hours before bedtime, playing games on my phone until I can't keep my eyes open, etc.), nicotine overdose or withdrawal, or possibly a nutritional problem. I'm getting full labs done early next week to see if there's anything going on with my nutrition. I'll report back if anything surprising comes back next week.
Thanks again for your thoughtful and intelligent replies. Have a great day!
Posted by Scleme1 on July 1, 2015, at 8:35:20
In reply to Re: Akathisia? Restless Leg Syndrome? Need Some Advice, posted by Lamdage22 on June 30, 2015, at 15:00:16
Posted by Lou Pilder on July 1, 2015, at 9:26:50
In reply to Re: Lou's response-Dr. Quackenbush » SLS, posted by Robert_Burton_1621 on July 1, 2015, at 5:49:06
> > > Lou What's the matter with you? Thankfully, I know myself and the medications that I take well enough to understand that everything you are saying is bullsh*t. Why would you try and scare people with your lies and fearmongering? I do not appreciate your convoluted insight or help. Please do not post a response or any further comments in my thread. I would like to hear from honest, intellectual people. I think you might need to switch mess yourself!
> >
> > Hi, Aaron.
> >
> > I avoid reading and replying to the posts of Mr. Pilder. I have found that to reply to them is without effect and only tempts me to say uncivil things out of frustration. I would recommend to anyone who feels similarly frustrated and is habitually upset by what Mr. Pilder writes that they avoid interacting with him entirely.
> >
> > I hope that I was careful enough not to disparage or otherwise qualify the statements of Mr. Pilder. I have, however, tried to qualify my reactions to and subsequent avoidance of them.
> >
> > I will check from time to time to see if posts are better redirected and placed on the Administration board in so that the Medication board remains on topic for treatment issues. Of course, this is open to subjective judgement.
> >
> > Civil communication as suggested by Psycho-Babble:
> >
> > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
> >
> >
> > - Scott
>
> Hi also Aaron.
>
> Scott's advice is, on the relevant subject, salutory. I regrettably left psychobabble for months because of the persistent, mostly unconstructive, mostly poorly-informed, mostly inapposite, and sometimes highly offensive and accusatory interventions by Mr Pilder to threads initiated by members with conscientious questions who are suffering often intractable conditions and symptoms. I left at a time when I first started on parnate and needed all the well-informed advice and support I could get. Since leaving, I have had two hypertensive crises, one very dangerous, but felt disinclined to resume my participation here because of the apprehension that Mr. Pilder would seek irrelevantly to monopolise any thread I might compose. Reading his interventions - even seeing them listed in the thread - became a source of anxiety and deep disappointment. Responding to them even more so: nothing can be gained from doing so, and much can be compromised, including one's mental health and the confidence one has in pyschobabble as a forum worth remaining associated with and contributing to.
>
> I commend the substance of your response to Mr Pilder but, in your best interests, it would be best to make it your last.
>
> Best.
>
Friends,
Be not deceived. Just because they use me as a scapegoat, and just because what they say is allowed to be seen as civil, the Plain Truth is what I write here is to save lives and to prevent life-ruining conditions and addictions. That is supportive in any mental-health forum unless the forum is a community of death, looking to bring you down into a whirlpool of lies, drawn into a cesspool of hate that could not only lead you to your death, but to the deaths of innocent people.
Look at the advocating to isolate me here. That is not a new tactic, but an old anti-Semitic tactic to keep the Jewish perspective from you. For I have come here to reveal how you could be delivered from the darkness of death into a marvelous light of life, free from the shackles of addiction and depression having dominion over you. The use of scapegoating saying that a Jew is the cause of someone's real or imagined ills, is nothing new and goes back centuries used in the dark ages by those ignorant of the light of truth so they blame their real or imagined ills on the Jews or a Jew in the community. And this is allowed here by Mr. Hsiung and his deputies of record and those members in concert with him. That could lead you to believe that anti-Semitism is supportive and will be good for this community as a whole. And with Mr. Hsiung posting the swastika and refusing to delete it or open the post and type in a disclaimer to it, readers could be reinforced into thinking that this is an anti-Semitic site just as if a city erected a billboard with a swastika on it and signed by the mayor.
The allowing of the humiliation of me here by Mr. Hsiung allowing anti-Semitic propaganda and scapegoating and stigmatization of me here to be seen as supportive and by design, shows the devaluation of humanity itself. Hopefully, someone greater than me will rob this site of its victory and take the swastika down.
Lou
Posted by 10derheart on July 1, 2015, at 13:19:55
In reply to Lou's response-skehypgauxt » Robert_Burton_1621, posted by Lou Pilder on July 1, 2015, at 9:26:50
You're saying Scott writes posts referencing you and (at least part of) his motivation is....
anti-semitism???
That's rich.
Lou, you may be a very silly rabbit.
Posted by Robert_Burton_1621 on July 1, 2015, at 18:20:34
In reply to Robert + Scott - Thank you!, posted by Scleme1 on July 1, 2015, at 8:32:04
> Thank you both for your input. Very insightful and helpful. After speaking with a Dr. friend of mine last night, I am also starting to believe this is not Akathisia or RLS. I believe this is either a case of simple anxiety and poor bedtime/bedroom practices (laying in bed on my phone for hours before bedtime, playing games on my phone until I can't keep my eyes open, etc.), nicotine overdose or withdrawal, or possibly a nutritional problem. I'm getting full labs done early next week to see if there's anything going on with my nutrition. I'll report back if anything surprising comes back next week.
>
> Thanks again for your thoughtful and intelligent replies. Have a great day!Yes, blue light inhibits the secretion of melatonin, therefore if you expose yourself to excessive blue light before or at bedtime, you will likely suffer from insomnia and restlessness.
Good luck.
Posted by hello123 on July 1, 2015, at 22:53:33
In reply to Re: Akathisia? Restless Leg Syndrome? Need Some Advice » hello123, posted by SLS on June 30, 2015, at 19:54:15
> Could you be more specific? It would be helpful to certain people.
>
>
> - Scott
im not sure what you mean. but there are anecdotal reports all over the internet about people experiencing permanent side effects. or at the least, extremely long lasting, possibly permanent. i think the people who experience this are seen as misguided by many online others online. at least thats how my experience has been.but heres one report i found after searching for a few seconds:
http://www.socialanxietysupport.com/forum/f30/anti-depressants-and-permanent-side-effects-after-quitting-97420/#/forumsite/20507/topics/97420?page=1and then then theres myself. my experience with has been absolute hell. i could write my whole experience, but it might be kinda confusing and would beca LOT of writing. but
in my experience, often when i take a psych med chronically, it seems the end effect of all the compensating brain changes is permanent.
in a bit over a month after starting my 1st round of psych meds i went from a pretty normal teen with what i see now, to a huge change in everything about my mood, my world, everything. and it was terrible. ive been battling this ever since.i dont see why situations like this is hard to believe for people. its chemicals and we're not sure what they do, that we're altering the brains of millions of people with. anyone who is mildly educated on psych treatments shouldnt even question this.
while most peoples brains may react just fine to these foreign chemicals, there are those who suffer longterm from taking them. it is the same as how many are just fine with drinking milk with no bad reactions, yet there are those who cant tolerate it.
our emotions are often talked about as having permanent effects on our brains. with chronic depression rewiring certain brain areas, and even causing brain shrinkage.
why couldnt a foreign chemical like paxil also do something like this in susceptible individuals after chronic use?we acknowledge we are lacking in our understanding of the brain. we acknowledge we dont understand how psych meds effect the brain. yet some of say with confidence that these treatments cannot leave someone suffering from permanent effects on their brain. why? you can bet everything you have to your name that the people at Eli Lilly know these people who criticize others for mentioning permanent dangers of these chemicals, that Eli Lilly sees these people as sheep. but are laughing all the way to the bank.
Posted by SLS on July 2, 2015, at 7:53:06
In reply to Re: Akathisia? Restless Leg Syndrome? Need Some Advice, posted by hello123 on July 1, 2015, at 22:53:33
> > Could you be more specific? It would be helpful to certain people.
> im not sure what you mean.I know that there are persistent effects that many psychotropics produce. They can change the "terrain" of the brain - for better or worse.
Perhaps you could list a few specific adverse effects that have remained with you after you discontinued specific drugs.
You might also list a few of the irreversible adverse effects in others that you feel are most prominent. Using a search engine will not reproduce your cumulative knowledge.
Thank you.
- Scott
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