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Posted by b2chica on January 18, 2015, at 16:06:16
i am looking for a med out there that is similar in function (Dopamine and AcH) that my insurance will cover.
i was given three days of pills after hospital. now if i want one month supply it is $438 and that's AFTER insurance kicks in some.
ihave been on 2 generic zydis dont work and three generic tabs dont work.
this last one i tried (APOTEX ODT) within three days i got severe aggitation and early psychosis. now i'm back to depression. ONly thing is now my not so brilliant pdoc wanted me off adderall. well i'm not stupid so im still taking morning one, but i'm not taking afternoon one till i see her next. and am in a state of crap.
and to be honest, i dont even know if the afternoon dose would help me or not.but i digress.
i have been on a slu of meds. time and time again zyprexa is my 'go to' med. however, ONLY the brand name seems to work. i just cant afford it.is there another med that has similar properties regarding dopamine and Ach that i could suggest?
-b2
Posted by Zyprexa on January 20, 2015, at 12:02:40
In reply to zyprexa clone?, posted by b2chica on January 18, 2015, at 16:06:16
You can't take a generic z untill your body adapts to it. Thats what happened to me. After about a year and taking a higher dose it started working as well as brand.
Posted by B2chica on January 21, 2015, at 2:45:15
In reply to Re: zyprexa clone?, posted by Zyprexa on January 20, 2015, at 12:02:40
if i continue it i will need to be in either long term hospitalization or i'll be dead. the psychosis tends to be a 'demon' telling me i need to die and die by my own hand. i get angry and agitated (negative energy).
but i noticed that you are on perphenazine 8mg...
i TRIED to tell my pdoc perphenazine but she only put me on 2mg (i was on for anxiety)... she won't go higher.have you had any experience with Clozaril? it seems to have very similar properties as zyprexa...
> You can't take a generic z untill your body adapts to it. Thats what happened to me. After about a year and taking a higher dose it started working as well as brand.
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Posted by ed_uk2010 on January 21, 2015, at 7:01:01
In reply to Re: zyprexa clone?, posted by B2chica on January 21, 2015, at 2:45:15
>have you had any experience with Clozaril? it seems to have very similar properties as zyprexa...
Clozaril is considerably more effective than Zyprexa for psychosis (schizophrenia, schizoaffective disorder) when other meds are not working. Clozaril also causes more side effects and requires a lot more monitoring.
What is your diagnosis? An issue for you may be that although short term use of Adderall is mood elevating, long term use can induce psychosis. Are you hearing voices B2?
Posted by b2chica on January 21, 2015, at 12:15:56
In reply to Re: zyprexa clone? » B2chica, posted by ed_uk2010 on January 21, 2015, at 7:01:01
diagnosis has varied.. the last two were bouncing between psychotic depression and (more likely) bipolar Mixed.
as my depression tends to have more negative energy along with aud/vis illusions. when it gets bad can have some hallucinations but tend to be more illusions. However the auditory has become severe at some really low states of depression in the past.
right now i am in the -meta- phase of suicidal ideation.. however i am starting with more aggitation and despair. meaning i will (or have) start to push myslef.. with death of choice. so if i start to hyperfocus on poison ingestion i will tell myself (just research it, you'll feel better knowing there is nothing that will work). i will research and find an idea.
its like this voice is drawing a line in the sand and is saying, just cross this one line, thats all. your not acting... just.. checking.
but what has happened in the past is that i soon become clouded with no longer being able to 'pull back' from that edge and i can go too far.
my attempts in the past i was very lucky that i didnt have any major permanant damage... luck thats it. someday i wont be so lucky.
Posted by Zyprexa on January 21, 2015, at 14:32:17
In reply to Re: zyprexa clone?, posted by b2chica on January 21, 2015, at 12:15:56
Have you tried a higher dose?
Heres what I did. at the same time I switched to generic z, my doc wanted to try me on lower doses of z and p. So I lasted about a month. Then the self medicating with pot. that was my secret stabilization med. that I took for 3 years. before getting back on the higher doses of z and p. I also drank a lot of alcohol every night. I the past year i quit the pot and substantialy cut back on alcohol. but also doubled up on doses of meds.
I think you need higher doses of z and p. I don't know how to convince your doc. I had the same problem. but after some time years, I slowly convinced her to put doses back up.
Why does your doc think you don't need the meds. My doc 3 years ago said I was doing so well that I should try to go with out meds. didn't work. but! I acomplihed a lot of therapy. in a sence. talking with friends and family about my issues. eventualy it came down to I was hearing voices and angry and not doing well at work, my rating was at the bottom of the list where before and after it was at the top. and that I was self medicating so slowly the doses went back up.
Maybe you just need to convince your doc what you are going thru that needs meds. Or maybe a new doc.
Why won't your doc go above 2mg on p?What did you do during the time you were with out z? what were you taking then.
What are your options? Maybe less aderall will lower anxiety. Maybe your situation with DH needs to be resolved or some time apart or just a talking out. But more z might fix that. Have you tried taking a higher dose?
Currently I'm trying to decide if I should go off p? And just take more gen z. Or if that is a bad idea. Would I gain weight would mental space be worse or would I not be as sedated. I seem to be going in that way anyways. I used to take 10-15mg z and 12mg x3 p. Now its 15-20mg z and 8mg x3 p. gen z is 10x cheeper than p. and I think z is more effective. I did notice that I've gone up on dose of z since swithching to generic, about 5mg. You should try that!
Posted by ed_uk2010 on January 21, 2015, at 14:44:01
In reply to Re: zyprexa clone?, posted by b2chica on January 21, 2015, at 12:15:56
Hi B2,
I replied to both your posts on the thread below.
I'm getting the feeling that your current problems may be a combination of bipolar depression (possible mixed state) with some psychotic features.... with issues caused by over rapid withdrawal of some of your meds.
Antipsychotics such as Zyprexa are not usually very 'calming' in the period shortly after a benzo has been stopped. This could be why olanzapine isn't working well at the moment. Generic olanzapine (Zyprexa) could still work for you in the future if you find the right dose. Alternatively, I've made a few suggestions below RE other meds.
Posted by B2chica on January 22, 2015, at 22:38:24
In reply to Re: zyprexa clone? » b2chica, posted by Zyprexa on January 21, 2015, at 14:32:17
the problem is the doc doesnt know me that well.. and right now i guess she is having some medical problems so she has not been that available, however she knows my T very well, as they used to be in the same building/floor. anyway, i wanted them to talk as my T knows me quite well and all the past issues with meds and such.
today i saw her and was fine till the end of the session and started to break down.. i feel like im SCREAMING for help and everyone is dragging their feet.. it makes me feel like maybe this is it, this is how it is going to happen. when things arent going well, maybe thats not the way so
i dont know, anyway.
my pdoc called tonight (Im STILL waiting for HELP) and she said that she needed to connect with T but would do it in the morning. agggghhhhhh!!!!!
im DYING HERE!!! i want to scream at them.
i want to leave the house SOOOO badly.
i want to slice my wrist almost off so that it flows crimson until there is no more,
i want to jump from the highest building
i want to die by copi HATE THIS!!!!! he told me that if i go to a tall tower/bridge, that if i didnt try to jump that he would push me!!
omg, i need to stop this, i need to get out!
i will try to chat later.
sorry.
b2
Posted by ed_uk2010 on January 23, 2015, at 4:27:29
In reply to Re: zyprexa clone?, posted by B2chica on January 22, 2015, at 22:38:24
Hi B2,
You're obviously in a crisis, I'm so sorry.
I think you have to remember, when you feel really bad, that you've not always felt so terrible. Whenever you're at your lowest point, the only way is for things to improve. Things don't get any worse than rock bottom, they get better.
And... this may not help you but it helps me. If I feel really bad I try to be thankful for what I do have. It's difficult, but I think 'some people in the world have absolutely nothing, so I have to focus on the things I've got'.... and stick it out until things improve again.
I know you don't like generic olanzapine/Zyprexa much, but a little bit may help you settle, no?
I hope you can get help from a friend or family if you feel desperate or that you're going to hurt yourself. You need to stay safe until you start to feel better again.
Did you get the vitamins? Concentrate on the thought of healing your body and mind B2.
And take care. x
Posted by B2chica on January 23, 2015, at 11:59:53
In reply to Re: zyprexa clone? » B2chica, posted by ed_uk2010 on January 23, 2015, at 4:27:29
hey ed.
i actually used to try to think of what i have, but somehow i turn it around to the i have too much, Im undeserved, and then dwell on ALL the people that have nothing and how horrible some of their lives may be.
then, i spiral worse.its not that i dont like generic, but i cant tolerate it, it tends to either give me crazy splitting headaches, or psychosis.
i went to a friends last night. partly good, partly not.
vitamins not yet
thank you. its day and thought depression is here, the overwhelming thoughts tend to come about 3:00 and after.
pdoc called last night (like she was supposed too!!!) been WAITING for help, only for her to say she will call me late today...i'm so frustrated. will it take me making an attempt for them to realize i'm in crisis??
grrr.
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