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Posted by Lamdage22 on July 24, 2013, at 3:45:49
In reply to Re: Doing a fair bit better » Lamdage22, posted by Tomatheus on July 24, 2013, at 2:07:58
Thanks Thomatheus.
Im angry like sh*t! Look at the list of my diagnoses.. look at all the things i need to decide and take care of.
I dont even have an psychologist to help me. Now i eventually am treated by an GP !?? Mind you i pay a bit short of 300$ a day.
They keep telling me how i need to be patient. Because they are too f*ck*ng lazy and partially incompetent to help me!
F*CK
Posted by SLS on July 24, 2013, at 6:05:33
In reply to Re: Doing a fair bit better, posted by Lamdage22 on July 24, 2013, at 3:45:49
I like what Tomatheus wrote to you.
It is incredibly difficult to be patient when one is in pain. This is especially true when the mental illness itself creates a state of mind that compromises one's ability to remain patient.
For me, I have made a habit of starting tranylcypromine at 20 mg/day for a few days before moving up to 30 mg/day. As Tomatheus noted, one can react differently to the same drug at different times. This is especially true if the system has been exposed to a different set of drugs. Hopefully, you will begin to feel better soon after reaching 40 mg/day.
- Scott
Posted by Lamdage22 on July 24, 2013, at 13:48:38
In reply to Re: Doing a fair bit better » Lamdage22, posted by Tomatheus on July 24, 2013, at 2:07:58
Thanks folks, for your backup.. i need all the backup i can get right now. I will try to articulate that to the doctors.. But they are soo sensitive. Why do i have to worry all the time about hurting my doctors feelings?
Today they told me to not "indulge in too much activism".. Are their brains wired the wrong way or something? Im freakin 24 years old and i havent really moved for almost a year.
So its not good news to them that i am finally able to kick my own *ss a little bit? Maybe they dont wanna have their *ss*s kicked by me to WORK.
I have so many problems, i cant even tell them all of it because it would overwhelm them. If i approach this in a "not too much activism" manner, a lifetime will not be enough to get to the point of enjoying life to the fullest.
How can i reason with these folks?
Lamdage needs backup in Germany;)
Thx guys.
Posted by Tomatheus on July 24, 2013, at 13:50:12
In reply to Re: Doing a fair bit better, posted by Lamdage22 on July 24, 2013, at 3:45:49
Hello again Lamdage,
You sound frustrated, to say the least. I think that your frustration is understandable. Receiving care that's not up to your expectations can be frustrating. Although psychiatric care has made what I think is significant progress over the past century, I think that there is still more guesswork and trial and error in psychiatry than most patients like us can stand, and I think that that can be one source of the resentment that a lot of patients feel toward the mental health and medical systems. I can't say from my position the degree to which you might be right about your doctors being lazy and incompetent, but I think that even the best doctors might seem incompetent when the treatment options that they have to work with leave a lot to be desired. In much the same way that a master chef is only as good as the ingredients that he or she uses, psychiatrists in a lot of ways are only as good as the treatment options that they have available to them. In their quests to first do no harm, your doctors probably want to be as careful as they can be to avoid prescribing any treatment that might lead to added distress and/or dysfunction. Unfortunately, this can sometimes interfere with getting you the treatment that might serve you best in the shortest time frame possible.
So, how are things going for you at present? If you already asked your doctors about increasing your Jatrosom/Parnate dose, what did they say?
Here's to hoping that you're finding some peace of mind.
T.
Posted by Lamdage22 on July 24, 2013, at 14:19:24
In reply to Re: Doing a fair bit better » Lamdage22, posted by Tomatheus on July 24, 2013, at 13:50:12
Thomateus,
i didnt ask them. Once again i was afraid to overwhelm them or hurt their feelings.. Though i think this is more of a pride and having to be right issue.
I will defenitely ask tomorrow if they wanna raise it at all and if not, then WHY THE F*CK not. Then i will ask for 25 mgs.
Then i will tell them to stop the damn "dont be too active" and that i need them to go through the things i want to do with me... so i can go ahead and pick up that piece of sh*t of life and turn it into something worth living.
I have been such a zombie, i guess i was an easier patient in a way when i was staying in bed all day and nodding and agreeing to every word they say. They love that.
Then i want to tell them that i have so many urgent problems, that i dont even want to tell them to not overwhelm them. I will tell them about the other diagnoses i have (signature) and i tell them how much my weight distresses me. (overwheight due to Seroquel)
I have been working out like a maniac in my teenage years and early twenties. And i didnt do that too walk around with embarassing belly fat.
I will leave them alone with the nightmaires, because i think at that point they would just leave the room and declare me crazy.
What do you think?
> Hello again Lamdage,
>
> You sound frustrated, to say the least. I think that your frustration is understandable. Receiving care that's not up to your expectations can be frustrating. Although psychiatric care has made what I think is significant progress over the past century, I think that there is still more guesswork and trial and error in psychiatry than most patients like us can stand, and I think that that can be one source of the resentment that a lot of patients feel toward the mental health and medical systems. I can't say from my position the degree to which you might be right about your doctors being lazy and incompetent, but I think that even the best doctors might seem incompetent when the treatment options that they have to work with leave a lot to be desired. In much the same way that a master chef is only as good as the ingredients that he or she uses, psychiatrists in a lot of ways are only as good as the treatment options that they have available to them. In their quests to first do no harm, your doctors probably want to be as careful as they can be to avoid prescribing any treatment that might lead to added distress and/or dysfunction. Unfortunately, this can sometimes interfere with getting you the treatment that might serve you best in the shortest time frame possible.
>
> So, how are things going for you at present? If you already asked your doctors about increasing your Jatrosom/Parnate dose, what did they say?
>
> Here's to hoping that you're finding some peace of mind.
>
> T.
Posted by Tomatheus on July 24, 2013, at 14:32:51
In reply to Re: Doing a fair bit better, posted by Lamdage22 on July 24, 2013, at 13:48:38
Lamdage,
It looks like we were writing our last two posts right around the same time. I was actually responding to your message from 3:45 a.m. central U.S. time in my last post, and I'll respond to your message that just came in now.
From my end, it sounds unfortunate that your doctors are telling you not to "indulge in too much activism." I think that some doctors tend to be intimidated when patients take active roles in their treatments, but I've also encountered doctors who like working with patients who are rather proactive. I don't personally see how bringing more information to the table, so to speak, can be a bad thing, but I can also see why doctors find it unsettling when patients come to them seemingly thinking that they know more about medicine than they actually do (and I'm not saying that you're doing this, just that I think that it can sometimes happen). So, maybe your doctors don't necessarily see being a bit proactive as being such a bad thing, but they might be trying to warn you that it could be possible to have too much of a good thing.
I think that you have a good point in saying that if you take your doctors' advice of not engaging in "too much activism" that you might not ever get to where you want to get with your treatment, and ultimately, your life. And yes, I think that being proactive, both with your treatment and in general, is a good thing that's essential to getting what you want out of life. But for better or for worse, one thing that you probably won't be able to change at least for now is the fact that your doctors are responsible for overseeing your care. And so, it would work to your advantage to build a good working relationship with them. How do you do this? I definitely don't have all the answers to this question, but I think that one thing that you need to do is strike a balance between saying what you want and need to say with respect to your treatment and respecting the decisions that the doctors make. You definitely don't want to be afraid of saying something that might push your treatment in a better direction, but at the same time, being too pushy in telling your doctors what medications you'd like to take might strain the relationship between you and your doctors. So, I think that a little bit of balance between being active in your treatment and respecting your doctors' decisions is something that I'd strive for.
I think that this sums up my thoughts on what you've written, but if I think of anything else that I'd like to add, I'll let you know. As always, good luck with everything.
T.
Posted by Lamdage22 on July 24, 2013, at 14:54:20
In reply to Re: Doing a fair bit better » Lamdage22, posted by Tomatheus on July 24, 2013, at 14:32:51
Thanks Tomatheus..
you make good points. Well maybe i should pick them up where they are.
Tell them i understand that they feel uneasy about me being too proactive but i still want to say what i have to say. In a "i dont want to step on your feet", but i still want to say that (....) manner.
I think whatever i say its important to tell them that it is not my intention in any way to step on their feet or strain the relationship.I am still appalled about the fact that i have to care about their feelings just as much or more even than they have to care about mine, even though i pay for this sh*t..
Cant change it, so i guess i just have to go along with it.
Posted by Lamdage22 on July 24, 2013, at 15:02:12
In reply to Re: Doing a fair bit better, posted by Lamdage22 on July 24, 2013, at 14:54:20
So im the therapist now?
Good morning doctor.. do you feel unsettled because of my being so proactive? Do you feel uneasy about me taking action because you believe im just a fool unable of making good decisions anyway?
Jeez.. maybe im just being a dick now.
Probably better go to sleep.See ya
Posted by Tomatheus on July 24, 2013, at 15:17:00
In reply to Re: Doing a fair bit better, posted by Lamdage22 on July 24, 2013, at 14:19:24
> Thomateus,
>
> i didnt ask them. Once again i was afraid to overwhelm them or hurt their feelings.. Though i think this is more of a pride and having to be right issue.
>
> I will defenitely ask tomorrow if they wanna raise it at all and if not, then WHY THE F*CK not. Then i will ask for 25 mgs.
>
> Then i will tell them to stop the damn "dont be too active" and that i need them to go through the things i want to do with me... so i can go ahead and pick up that piece of sh*t of life and turn it into something worth living.
>
> I have been such a zombie, i guess i was an easier patient in a way when i was staying in bed all day and nodding and agreeing to every word they say. They love that.
>
> Then i want to tell them that i have so many urgent problems, that i dont even want to tell them to not overwhelm them. I will tell them about the other diagnoses i have (signature) and i tell them how much my weight distresses me. (overwheight due to Seroquel)
>
> I have been working out like a maniac in my teenage years and early twenties. And i didnt do that too walk around with embarassing belly fat.
>
> I will leave them alone with the nightmaires, because i think at that point they would just leave the room and declare me crazy.
>
>
> What do you think?Lamdage,
I can relate to what you wrote about the doctors and the staff in your hospital presumably perceiving you to be a easier patient when you feel like a zombie of sorts and end up spending a lot of your time in bed and questioning little of what the hospital staff tells you. I know that during one of my hospitalizations, my Abilify dose had been raised to 10 mg for about a week, and the way I was feeling was so unbearable that I couldn't even stand to wait in line for my medication. I decided to only take half of my Abilify dose at that point (I was being given it twice a day, which allowed me to refuse my morning dose and still take my evening dose), and one of the staff members questioned my decision because to him, I seemed to be doing "so much better" on the higher dose of Abilify. I do think that there can be a tendency among some hospital doctors and staff members to see patients who engage in few activities and spend a lot of time in bed as being the patients who are doing the best, but I of course don't see functioning at such a level to be good from a mental health standpoint. Engaging in few activities and spending a lot of time in bed aren't things that lead to success in the real world, and I don't think that such behavioral outcomes should be seen as successful outcomes in the hospital, either. But for better or for worse, the goal of hospitalization usually seems to be "stabilization," which involves controlling behaviors that are disruptive and potentially dangerous. Depression only seems to be a major concern to hospital personnel if the patients are making suicidal gestures, and even though feeling really fatigued and/or sleeping a lot could be very problematic and be a major source of functional impairment outside the hospital, these problems aren't thought to interfere so much with mental stability from the perspective of a lot of hospital personnel.
Having said what I've said here, my recommendation would still be to strive to strike a balance between being an active patient (both in your treatment and in general) and respecting where the doctors and other staff members of your hospital are coming from in what they tell you. While I think it's important, on one hand, to do what's best for your mental health, you don't want to compromise your relationships with your doctors and the other staff members in your hospital so much that these individuals might make your daily life in the hospital a lot more difficult. Doctors and other hospital staff members have a lot of power, sometimes too much, if you ask me. Straining your relationship with these individuals too much is definitely not in your best interests, and it will probably interfere with getting what you want out of your hospitalization. So, again, I think that achieving a balance between being an active patient and not being too disrespectful or difficult is something that I would encourage.
T.
Posted by Lamdage22 on July 25, 2013, at 4:20:04
In reply to Re: Doing a fair bit better » Lamdage22, posted by Tomatheus on July 24, 2013, at 15:17:00
So i didnt have the chance to communicate all the grievances i had.
Shrink wanted to increase Seroquel to 500 and leave Parnate at 10mg.
Mind you i didnt even have psychosis at 300 mgs of Seroquel.I said "No" basically in a "go f*** yourself with that manner". I anticipated that. They also want me on Valium. They can go f*ck themselves with that as well. I aint going nowhere with the seroquel without at least 30 or 40 mgs of Parnate.
Thats diplomacy.. i feel they should be diplomatic to. And this gal doesnt give a sh*t. So i dont give a sh*t about her Seroquel plans. Simple as that.They wanna call all the shots.
I will make it through this.. even if it will be worse than anal bleaching. (Just a joke, i have nothing to do with this)
Posted by Lamdage22 on July 25, 2013, at 7:03:42
In reply to Re: Doing a fair bit better, posted by Lamdage22 on July 25, 2013, at 4:20:04
Ok, F*CK THEM!!!
They blackmail me if i dont go to the therapies they wont let me decide what to do with my future.
Who the f*ck do they think they are? Someone should lock these niggas up. I dont have myself blackmailed.
F*CK*NG MORONS! I would like to flip the bird on each and everyone of them and tell them to go f*ck themselves!
Posted by Lamdage22 on July 25, 2013, at 8:12:19
So they just want me to surrender and anounce that im totally crazy, that all complaints i have are part of my crazyness and that they are 100% right with all that they are doing.
Can anyone see how this is b*llsh*t?
Ok im too much on edge for sure. But i dont have a single point?
That is not a basis on which i consent to treatment in this hospital.What the hell is going on
Posted by Phillipa on July 25, 2013, at 9:46:12
In reply to Re, posted by Lamdage22 on July 25, 2013, at 8:12:19
I don't know what do you mean surrender? Phillipa
Posted by Lamdage22 on July 25, 2013, at 11:06:49
In reply to Re, posted by Lamdage22 on July 25, 2013, at 8:12:19
Ooops i meant to post that in the other threat.
I dont know Phillipa.. i have been loosing my mind these past days. They raised the Seroquel now. I have decided to stop the posting until im okay again, i am making such a fool of myself right now.
Posted by Tomatheus on July 25, 2013, at 13:54:07
In reply to Re: Doing a fair bit better, posted by Lamdage22 on July 25, 2013, at 7:03:42
Lamdage,
I know that I've already said this in reference to one of your other posts, but you really sound frustrated, to say the least. I'm really sorry to hear about what you're going through, and I hope that this situation between you and your doctors will not continue to cause you more and more distress as time goes on.
I'm wondering if perhaps your doctors decided to increase your Seroquel dose because they think that you might be exhibiting signs of mania, even though you've said that you weren't experiencing any psychosis at 300 mg of the medication. I think that if I were in your position I would probably try taking what your doctors have prescribed and *then* ask about changing medications to something that you'd be more comfortable with *if* what your doctor prescribes leads you to feel worse. Basically, I think that the more of a chance you give what your doctors prescribe or want to prescribe, the more willing to work with you they will be. Maybe your doctors' plans for you aren't going to produce a favorable outcome, but I don't think that you know that for sure, yet. So, I'd probably give the higher dose of Seroquel a chance if I were in your position. If that treatment plan doesn't produce favorable results, then you'll know that the higher dose of Seroquel isn't for you, and maybe your doctors might be more willing to listen to your pleas for something that's more anti-depressive in nature. But I also think that there's a chance that you might be pleasantly surprised with the results you might get from higher-dose Seroquel. Again, what your doctors want to do with you medication wise might not necessarily lead to the best outcome for you, but certainly there's got to be a logic behind what your doctors want to do.
Of course, what you decide to do is ultimately up to you, and I was just sharing what I would do if I were in your position, but if possible, I would try to give your doctors as little reason as possible to restrict your autonomy and the role that you play in your own treatment. As I said in one of my previous posts, doctors in psychiatric hospitals have a lot of power, and I think that it would be in your best interests to do what you can to prevent your doctors from using their power in a way that might be harmful to you. I know that this is probably easier said than done, though.
I'm not sure if any of what I've said here has been helpful or if what I'm writing might just be leading to more frustration on your part. I do think that you have some valid points in what you say, and even though some of what I've written has been in an attempt to get you to see where your doctors are coming from, I'm certainly not saying that your doctors are completely right. I know that it can be very frustrating to be in a psychiatric hospital where your options and choices are restricted, and I think it's very unfortunate that you're in the predicament that you're in. I can only hope that it will only be a matter of time before your situation changes for the better.
T.
Posted by SLS on July 25, 2013, at 16:08:49
In reply to Re: Doing a fair bit better, posted by Lamdage22 on July 25, 2013, at 7:03:42
From what little I have seen, quetiapine (Seroquel) has more therapeutic activity at 400 mg/day than it does at 300 mg/day. Take that with a grain or two of salt, though. For depression, it might be that the norquetiapine metabolite is important, as it is a NE reuptake inhibitor. If the doctors are aware of this, they would be even more cautious to give you tranylcypromine.
I say, let the doctors do their thing. Tell them that you would like to work *with* them to establish a treatment plan. Nothing you say to them is going to change their minds about the tranylcypromine if they are scared to use it in the first place. At least you will find out how high they are willing to go as a maximum dosage and how rapidly you can get there with a titration schedule. I don't think that you have much of a choice. Just ask them to please explain to you how they arrived at their clinical decisions.
It is frustrating.
I participated in a series of double-blind drug trials at the US NIH as an inpatient. It was necessary for me to give my doctors consent to treat me for 9 months without disclosing to me what they were giving to me.
A year from now, it won't matter whether they started you at 10 mg/day or 30 mg/day. There are some doctors who would never treat you with tranylcypromine at all, even if you begged them. As Tomatheus so insightfully pointed out, your doctors might be looking at your frustration and displays of anger as signs that the tranylcypromine is triggering a manic or psychotic episode. Be strategic in your use of words. Exercise as much patience as you can.
I really want to see you get well. I might be wrong, and I might not tell you the things that you want to hear, but I do care.
- Scott
Posted by Lamdage22 on July 26, 2013, at 3:43:55
In reply to Re: Doing a fair bit better » Lamdage22, posted by SLS on July 25, 2013, at 16:08:49
Scott, i had this "episode" before i took the Parnate.
Only explanation there is is it might be from Acetylcystein paradoxically.
Posted by Lamdage22 on July 26, 2013, at 6:49:50
In reply to Re: Doing a fair bit better » Lamdage22, posted by SLS on July 25, 2013, at 16:08:49
Ok, I agreed to whatever Seroquel Dosage they find appropriate up to 800. And i told them that my hope right now is that i can tolerate a high enough Parnate dosage with the help of Seroquel and they seem to be ok to go along with that. So they will raise it to id say at least 30mg. If im lucky maybe 40 or 50.
I have been honest with them that what i want really is some sort of hypomania without the psychosis or loss of control.
In the back of my head i have Topamax and Solian as treatment alternatives. I hear Solian is also among the Antipsychotics like Abilify and Seroquel that dont necessarily induce depression or lethargy. I think those are the ones to go for for me.
I think its too early to give up on Psychiatry. And when i have genuinely tried everything Psychiatry has to offer except ECT, there are still alternative routes worth trying. I have to tell you though, there isnt too much patience left with this whole meds stuff although i want to force myself to try.
So its dumb to think about ending my life right now. I can do that when there is really no possible way out anymore.
Posted by Lamdage22 on July 26, 2013, at 7:24:42
In reply to Re:, posted by Lamdage22 on July 26, 2013, at 6:49:50
So there is no irreversible MAOI that just hits MAO-A or even just Serotonine??
Thats a shame!I think i would want to go with the Seroquel and Parnate.. and eventually add Prazosin and Topamax.. to cut out the weight gain, the nightmaires, the potential destabilization from Parnate. That would cut out the dopaminergic and adrenergic effects of Parnate, too.
That would be great if it worked.
Though of course i need to schmooze with the doctors and respect that they are the ones who call the shots.That could potentially solve all my problems to a satisfying degree.
Does anyone have experience with Topamax? Are the side effects bad?
Posted by Lamdage22 on July 26, 2013, at 7:49:38
In reply to Doing a fair bit better!, posted by Lamdage22 on July 18, 2013, at 13:21:09
I think my odds are much higher to get topamax for stabilization (and ssshhh!, weightloss) than metformin for weight loss.
Posted by Tomatheus on July 26, 2013, at 11:54:29
In reply to Re:, posted by Lamdage22 on July 26, 2013, at 6:49:50
Lamdage,
I just wanted to say that I was glad to read the message that you wrote below. I think it's encouraging that you've decided to give your doctors' plans a chance and that you're not giving up on psychiatry just yet. I also like that you're thinking about Solian and Topamax as medications that you might want to try somewhere down the road, possibly as a back-up plan of sorts if what you're taking now doesn't work out for you. What about Topamax do you find appealing? Would you be using it as a mood stabilizing/anti-manic agent?
T.
> Ok, I agreed to whatever Seroquel Dosage they find appropriate up to 800. And i told them that my hope right now is that i can tolerate a high enough Parnate dosage with the help of Seroquel and they seem to be ok to go along with that. So they will raise it to id say at least 30mg. If im lucky maybe 40 or 50.
>
> I have been honest with them that what i want really is some sort of hypomania without the psychosis or loss of control.
>
> In the back of my head i have Topamax and Solian as treatment alternatives. I hear Solian is also among the Antipsychotics like Abilify and Seroquel that dont necessarily induce depression or lethargy. I think those are the ones to go for for me.
>
> I think its too early to give up on Psychiatry. And when i have genuinely tried everything Psychiatry has to offer except ECT, there are still alternative routes worth trying. I have to tell you though, there isnt too much patience left with this whole meds stuff although i want to force myself to try.
>
> So its dumb to think about ending my life right now. I can do that when there is really no possible way out anymore.
>
Posted by Lamdage22 on July 26, 2013, at 12:52:55
In reply to Re: Doing a fair bit better » Lamdage22, posted by Tomatheus on July 26, 2013, at 11:54:29
I find the weight loss appealing. And that in my naive theory it might make it ok to go for it with a highly dosed antidepressant.
The side effects seem to be nasty though.
Honestly, Tomatheus.. i am really frustrated with psychiatry and society as a whole. And man, im angry.
My Psychologist told me that while i was in the US, i didnt life INSIDE society, i lived somewhere along psychiatry.
Which is my place to be. All society does is tell me how f*ck*d up and broken and disordered i am. Every non-compliance with society is an illness.
Well society has never been wrong. Just look at nazi-germany. They were doing such a great job, werent they?
Psychiatrists admit they are wrong, but you can tell by the look on their face that they just put on an act. Most of mental-health personell think they are all-knowing. Which is SICK
Posted by Lamdage22 on July 26, 2013, at 12:53:50
In reply to Re: Doing a fair bit better, posted by Lamdage22 on July 26, 2013, at 12:52:55
I mean i lived somewhere along society.. not inside.
Interesting mess up of words though..
Posted by Tomatheus on July 26, 2013, at 14:00:24
In reply to Re: Doing a fair bit better, posted by Lamdage22 on July 26, 2013, at 12:52:55
Hi Lamdage,
Thank you for getting back to me on the question I asked about Topamax. Yes, Topamax very well might make for an effective weight-loss aid, and I think that the medication is something that is well worth discussing with your doctors.
I think that I can see why you're frustrated with society and especially with psychiatry. Psychiatry, as you pointed out, has its flaws, and I don't think that it's the "end all, be all" in the management of mental illness. I personally think that psychiatry usually has a key role to play in the management of mental illness, but I think that clinical psychologists and other professionals may also play important roles. I think that mental illnesses definitely exist and that those of us with mental illness have a part of us that is ill, but I don't think that mental illnesses define us so much that everything that we do is ill and disordered. First and foremost, we are people. People who happen to have one or more illnesses. Sometimes the symptoms of our illnesses can be so severe that a lot of our focus gets devoted to fighting our illness or illnesses, but we are not our illnesses, and everything we do isn't necessarily disordered just because we have a psychiatric disorder.
I think that at times, patients in the mental health system get the message from the system that there's nothing that they can do that's right just because they have a mental illness. I think that this is perhaps the message of being "f*ck*d up, broken, and disordered" that you referred to. And while I think that mental illnesses can be disabling, I do think that sometimes the system seems to send the wrong message by making it seem like there's something wrong with everything that we do. I think that everybody with a mental illness has something about himself or herself that is worth celebrating, that is positive, and that can be beneficial for others. Those of us with mental illness may seem to be at the margins of society, but I think that we have a lot to offer to society, even though our ability to give may be highly impaired. Sometimes it can even be the "non-compliance with society" that you noted that can be most beneficial for others. I don't think that society itself is always sane.
The points that you've made here, I think, are valid, and I think that there's a lot of truth to the things that you're saying. I don't know if most mental health professionals would necessarily describe themselves as being all knowing, but a lot of the times, they come across that way, and I certainly think that the mindset of being all knowing can be damaging to those around individuals with such a mindset. Even the most knowledgeable individuals, in my opinion, know very little of what there is to know, and to fail to acknowledge this is something that I think is short sighted.
Well, I'll stop now before I make this message any longer. I hope that this message finds you doing at least reasonably well.
T.
Posted by Lamdage22 on July 26, 2013, at 14:30:12
In reply to Re: Doing a fair bit better » Lamdage22, posted by Tomatheus on July 26, 2013, at 14:00:24
"Sometimes it can even be the "non-compliance with society" that you noted that can be most beneficial for others. I don't think that society itself is always sane."
I couldnt agree with you more.
Funny thing, despite all my hospitalizations, police take me to hospital (mostly due to my own will), the girlfriend storys... an arrest. Leaving hospital against Doctors advice. All on police record..
One cop actually told me and i quote "you are probably the most normal person in San Diego".
Hahahaha. Lol
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