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Posted by willyyeee on December 14, 2012, at 15:29:17
Its a sad thing when the people you believe are out to help you dont care and are using you to make a buck.I will pose two examples for you,actualy three.
First Modfanil,most know this is a mild stimulant of a unique class,unlike others it usualy is more milder.It for me first was heard through over seas pharmacy.
When i first read its profile i was so excitied,i quckly,yess i know you shouldent,but ordered it from online sources without script,and i paid usualy 50 or 60 bucks for 30 200 mg tabs standard size.
Well with my fatique i asked my doc for a script for it here now that its a u.s based med and he gave it,well my insurance company denied it,why/ because now modfanil,the generic version is now get ready 20 dollers a single tab.Yess folks i was gonna pay cash for the med when my insurance denied it and well you do the math 20 dollers a tab at 30 tabs.
I just went online and still paid 60 bucks for generic 30 tabs from a reputable company.
Second the hated ghb,the deadly drug were told will kill us,except if were using the script form of it XYREM
Im a advocate for this drug,and when it was legal it cost about 100 bucks for 100 grams,xyrem however the exact drug,and cheap quality i hear is last i hear 900 dollers per 100 grams.
Just fyi,how can they label a drug deadly then prescribe it,anyone thinking im wrong google is ghb neuroprotective to the brain,it is,it has many uses and protects the brain its not toxic.
Last l tryptophan,this natural amino acid was banned just prior to the introduction of ssris,many believe it was done so as to remove any serotionin competitors.
HOWEVER even banned it was easy to obtain,tons of animal pharmacys sold it legaly,and i remeber paying like 30 bucks for 100 grams.
I went into vitamin shopped the other day,and a big whoopla that ITS BACK,yeah and it cost 60 bucks for 30 capsules.
These comapanys,why are they doing this to us,and i dont buy that whole they gotta spend money to bring it out,were still talking as in ghb case a 9 fold increase profit!
I truly dont believe the pharm companys care,in fact the best info i get is when i read about small studies usualy done by medical students and they find some very insightful stuff,i think big pharm as in ssris dont really care.
Posted by poser938 on December 14, 2012, at 17:19:20
In reply to Big Pharm Not our Friend...., posted by willyyeee on December 14, 2012, at 15:29:17
I'm glad you've caught on to this. Even my psychiatrist and I talked about it being criminal for them to run tne prices to sky-high rates for meds. Specifically provigil.
Posted by jono_in-adelaide on December 14, 2012, at 18:17:39
In reply to Big Pharm Not our Friend...., posted by willyyeee on December 14, 2012, at 15:29:17
Big pharma has been responsabil for every major advance in psychopharmacology since the barbiturates were introduced in 1903, they developed barbiturates, amphetamines, chlorpromazine, tranquilisers, antidepressants - if it wasnt for big pharma, we'd still be using straight jackets and potassium bromide
Posted by poser938 on December 15, 2012, at 3:34:26
In reply to Big Pharm Not our Friend...., posted by willyyeee on December 14, 2012, at 15:29:17
And then there's tht interesting that goes by the name Tianeptine. Not allowed in the States becausr it goes against everything the drug companies have told us. It would get the people confused. They would wonder if the drug companies were being truthful when they tell how grest the SSRI's are when a serotonin reuptake enhancer works just as well, if not better.
Posted by willyyeee on December 16, 2012, at 2:28:22
In reply to Re: Big Pharm Not our Friend...., posted by jono_in-adelaide on December 14, 2012, at 18:17:39
chemiscts do,that work for them,not big pharm who turns the work around for a enormous price
Posted by SLS on December 16, 2012, at 9:21:36
In reply to Re: Big Pharm Not our Friend...., posted by jono_in-adelaide on December 14, 2012, at 18:17:39
> Big pharma has been responsabil for every major advance in psychopharmacology since the barbiturates were introduced in 1903, they developed barbiturates, amphetamines, chlorpromazine, tranquilisers, antidepressants - if it wasnt for big pharma, we'd still be using straight jackets and potassium bromide
I agree wholeheartedly.The thing that is most annoying is that the pharmaceutical companies charge their USA customers the most money in the world for their products. It is meant that the American public foot the bill for the cost of research and development for these drugs. Unfortunately, it is precisely this that is contributing to the demise of Medicare and Medicaid.
- Scott
Posted by jono_in_adelaide on December 16, 2012, at 16:47:18
In reply to Re: Big Pharm Not our Friend...., posted by SLS on December 16, 2012, at 9:21:36
Agree Scott, this is one reason the US could do with a single payer socialised medicine scheme.
They could negotate hard on drug prices (As Australia does) because they would be buying in such massive amounts, and introduce some evidence based medicine into the process of funding new drugs)
Posted by Phil on December 16, 2012, at 18:41:33
In reply to Re: Big Pharm Not our Friend...., posted by jono_in_adelaide on December 16, 2012, at 16:47:18
This is how we got screwed. More screwed.
Posted by poser938 on December 16, 2012, at 19:22:13
In reply to Re: Big Pharm Not our Friend...., posted by jono_in_adelaide on December 16, 2012, at 16:47:18
> Agree Scott, this is one reason the US could do with a single payer socialised medicine scheme.
>
> They could negotate hard on drug prices (As Australia does) because they would be buying in such massive amounts, and introduce some evidence based medicine into the process of funding new drugs)Something we agree on. There ay be drawbacks, but I think it is for the greater good.
Posted by jono_in_adelaide on December 17, 2012, at 0:37:59
In reply to Re: Big Pharm Not our Friend...., posted by poser938 on December 16, 2012, at 19:22:13
Try and think how many world changing drugs we use today that were developed in the Soviet Union or Warsaw Pact, where all research and development of drugs (as well as sales and marketing) were state controlled.
I think you'd find that the answerr is none.
Yet in the period the USSR existed, the Western, profit motivated drug industry revolutionised medicine, starting with insulin and Vitamin b12, to sulphanilamide and antibiotics, and chlorpromazine and antidepressants and steroids and beta blockers, and cholestorol meds and diuretics, the list goes on. For all the capitalist systems failings, it works.
Posted by 10derheart on December 17, 2012, at 3:53:01
In reply to Re: Big Pharm Capitalism Wins, posted by jono_in_adelaide on December 17, 2012, at 0:37:59
good point and well said.
Posted by SLS on December 17, 2012, at 6:13:51
In reply to Re: Big Pharm Capitalism Wins, posted by jono_in_adelaide on December 17, 2012, at 0:37:59
> Try and think how many world changing drugs we use today that were developed in the Soviet Union or Warsaw Pact, where all research and development of drugs (as well as sales and marketing) were state controlled.
>
> I think you'd find that the answerr is none.
>
> Yet in the period the USSR existed, the Western, profit motivated drug industry revolutionised medicine, starting with insulin and Vitamin b12, to sulphanilamide and antibiotics, and chlorpromazine and antidepressants and steroids and beta blockers, and cholestorol meds and diuretics, the list goes on. For all the capitalist systems failings, it works.Capitalism is worst form of socioeconomic system - except for all of the others.
:-)
- Scott
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