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Posted by Dinah on October 22, 2012, at 22:41:32
In reply to Lou's response-tewpsawn » Dinah, posted by Lou Pilder on October 22, 2012, at 20:46:17
Do you really think it's civil to accuse people here of promoting drugs that will lead to mass murder of jews and other people?
To imply that the taking of these drugs (which many of us do) can lead us to "gunning people down"?
Please don't accuse me of these things.
Posted by Dinah on October 22, 2012, at 22:42:32
In reply to Re: papillon2, posted by schleprock on October 22, 2012, at 19:30:40
There's nothing to stop you from requesting responses like that!
:)
Posted by Dinah on October 22, 2012, at 22:45:24
In reply to Re: papillon2 » schleprock, posted by Dinah on October 22, 2012, at 22:42:32
I never find accusations that I am engaging in behavior that could lead to the gunning down of jews or others particularly supportive, and I request that responses to any thread I start not contain such accusations.
Posted by Dinah on October 22, 2012, at 23:07:40
In reply to Re: papillon2, posted by papillon2 on October 22, 2012, at 20:04:22
If you get enough from posting to make it worthwhile, perhaps you could give ignoring, not opening posts, and perhaps requesting that certain types of replies not be included on your threads.
In an ideal world, it wouldn't be necessary. Babble is no longer the best of both worlds. If we want to use the resource, we have to make do with workarounds as best we can. And hope for the best.
Posted by schleprock on October 22, 2012, at 23:13:20
In reply to Lou's reply, posted by Lou Pilder on October 22, 2012, at 21:53:46
> > > > > I must admit that I have refrained from posting due to not wanting to receive the sort of response that we are talking about here. It would be too mentally challenging for me to (a) read and (b) respond to such a reply, and I would feel awful for ignoring it outright. And let's be honest, I'd continue to be spammed regardless of what I might say and request.
> > > > >
> > > > > I guess this is more my problem than anyone else's, but depression is exhausting enough as it is, you know? It's noisy enough in my head without having someone adding to it, giving ammunition to unhealthy and unhelpful thoughts. So I don't say anything, and I guess it is a shame because I don't have anyone else to talk to about these things.
> > > > >
> > > > > I guess I should press send now, though I bet I'm going to regret it soon due to the above.
> > > >
> > > > I think you ought not let it keep you from reaching out to those who might understand. There is no need to even open posts from someone if you don't wish to, much less respond.
> > > >
> > > > There is a rule at babble that says the thread originator can state up front that certain types of posts would not be helpful, and request that they not be made.
> > > >
> > > > So you can always include in your own thread a notice that you would not find certain statements helpful - statements about psych meds being potentially responsible for deaths or psych meds being potentially responsible for violence against Jews; answers that involve an apocalyptic religious experience; discussions about prohibitions that Dr. Bob may or may not have made about sharing information; requests that something be read or viewed before participants reply - or whatever you really don't wish to read. Those are just examples.
> > > >
> > > > I'm not sure if it could be included in a signature.
> > > >
> > > > Of course, it's all contingent on Babble rules being in place, and since we are virtually unmoderated, it might not be worth the bandwidth it's written on.
> > >
> > > D,
> > > You wrote,[...psych meds being potentially reponsible for violence against Jews...].
> > > Frinds,
> > > The statement above is taken out of context. The whole statement is like:
> > > [...If a person is in a community that allows statements that could arouse antisemitic feelings or allows statement that give people feelings of superiority over Jews, they could use a Jew as a target for harm. This is called {antisemitic violence}. Now in a community where mind-altering drugs are taken by the members, there is more and more evidence that the drugs could induce a mind-altered state to compel the taker of the drug to kill themselves and/or others, even mass-murder. The FDA has posted warnings to that particular psychotropic drugs can {increase} suicidal and homcidal ideation.
> > > The tactics used by fascists to arouse antisemitic feelings showed a willingness for some of the citizens to kill Jews by thinking that they were doing what the fascist leader wanted and that they belived that the were doing what would be good for the community as a whole. Now you parents that are reading here, trying to have a better understanding of these drugs could go to the administrive board and see the years of outstanding requests from me to Mr Hsiung, many of which I am attempting to stop the allowing of antisemitic statements to stand here. Not only are they anitsenmitic, but many are also anti-Islamic. And many are anti-others that are not members of the particular religion promulgating the statements in question. And if any one is interested in posting aboout this, I ask that you go to the admin board and post in those threads by me there. Then I could respond to you there.
> > > Now when the whole matter is opened up here, it takes on a different perspective, and those that want to supress what I say could prevent others from knowing the truth and be held in an indoctrination of lies about me. Lies that I think that if I was to be allowed to post here what the prohibitions to me from Mr Hsiung prevent me from, lives could be saved. Not only lives here, but lives of innocent Jews and others that are gunned-down by those in a mind-altered state from these drugs promoted here.
> > > Lou
> >
> > Lou, why are there so many songs about rainbows?
>
> schleprock,
> You are one of the few people tha has posted in the threads of mine on the admin board that have the outstanding requests from me to Mr Hsiung. That makes me think that you may see into what's goin' on here.
> In the threrad that you responded to there, you posted something like it's 2012.
> Does that have anything to do with the issues here or rainbows?
> LouSomeday we'll find it Lou, the rainbow connection.
Posted by SLS on October 22, 2012, at 23:36:05
In reply to Re: Lou's reply, posted by schleprock on October 22, 2012, at 23:13:20
For me, remission from depression resulting from drug therapy allows me to experience the rainbow of colors as a kaleidoscope of wonderfully vivid and constantly varying expressions of life.
- Scott
Posted by Phillipa on October 23, 2012, at 18:04:54
In reply to Scott's experience of the rainbow., posted by SLS on October 22, 2012, at 23:36:05
Wonderful!!!! Phillipa
Posted by jono_in_adelaide on October 23, 2012, at 22:28:15
In reply to Scott's experience of the rainbow., posted by SLS on October 22, 2012, at 23:36:05
For me, while suffering melancholic/endrogenous depression, every day was like trying to swim through a tank of mud - after a week on Edronax, there was a spring in my step and that feeling had gone, along with the feeling that if only i could die in the night, I wouldnt have to face another day of this
Posted by AlexCanada on October 24, 2012, at 19:05:48
In reply to papillon2, posted by Dinah on October 22, 2012, at 16:28:13
Lou's actions encourage people to not take their medication. He is constantly being uncivil and makes disgusting offensive comments.
How on earth is he not banned from this forum? This board continues to dwindle in membership with less active posters than years ago and the moderators need to get a clue as to why this is happening. It's because of double standard anti-med agenda pushers who are dismantling this place one day at a time.
I personally am sickened to even go on this board hardly anymore because every day I see anti-med jargon and fairy tales from this unethical person whom calls me a flat out liar while calling others anti-semites just so he can continue on his ill-informed anti-drug agenda.
Not everyone needs medication but there has to be a realization that some issues do require it for the individuals own good. That is why there is a difference between Depression and Clinical Depression. One is more mild than the other. And one requires medical assistance.
My life was in torment before medication. If I took Lou's advice I'd be dead. So yes I will be very damn offended by his disgusting comments.
We need to stand up against this. This is more than just how he may effect me or you. This is about how he effects the entire board and the hundreds of lurkers who browse for information because they are looking for genuine help. Lou's actions cause some people to question if medications are necessary. Some of these people are going through such hardships where it may be difficult to think clearly. I used to be at a point where everything looked so dark, grim, negative that it was extremely difficult to see the world through anything but the negative lens. When this occurs it is easy to think that ''nothing'' will help. This can lead certain individuals to commit suicide. When you destroy the notion of hope you destory lives. When people give up on believing that medication can help for their severe disorders then lives are lost.
Lou is directly being responsible for causing tremendous harm to countless individuals. This should Not be tolerated under any circumstance!
> > I must admit that I have refrained from posting due to not wanting to receive the sort of response that we are talking about here. It would be too mentally challenging for me to (a) read and (b) respond to such a reply, and I would feel awful for ignoring it outright. And let's be honest, I'd continue to be spammed regardless of what I might say and request.
> >
> > I guess this is more my problem than anyone else's, but depression is exhausting enough as it is, you know? It's noisy enough in my head without having someone adding to it, giving ammunition to unhealthy and unhelpful thoughts. So I don't say anything, and I guess it is a shame because I don't have anyone else to talk to about these things.
> >
> > I guess I should press send now, though I bet I'm going to regret it soon due to the above.
>
> I think you ought not let it keep you from reaching out to those who might understand. There is no need to even open posts from someone if you don't wish to, much less respond.
>
> There is a rule at babble that says the thread originator can state up front that certain types of posts would not be helpful, and request that they not be made.
>
> So you can always include in your own thread a notice that you would not find certain statements helpful - statements about psych meds being potentially responsible for deaths or psych meds being potentially responsible for violence against Jews; answers that involve an apocalyptic religious experience; discussions about prohibitions that Dr. Bob may or may not have made about sharing information; requests that something be read or viewed before participants reply - or whatever you really don't wish to read. Those are just examples.
>
> I'm not sure if it could be included in a signature.
>
> Of course, it's all contingent on Babble rules being in place, and since we are virtually unmoderated, it might not be worth the bandwidth it's written on.
Posted by AlexCanada on October 24, 2012, at 19:15:32
In reply to Lou's response-tewpsawn » Dinah, posted by Lou Pilder on October 22, 2012, at 20:46:17
So basically you're implying that a bunch of people on this board are capable of becoming serial killers because of the medications we take because it's not like people commit crimes based on their own faulty genetic make-up right? Lets blame the violence on just medications? Prior to psychotropic medications there were daily murders. This is not some new phenomenon based on the evils of ''Eli Lilly''.
Also it appears now that you feel there is some deep conspiracy that these medications where designed not just to cause people to become killers (where is the profit in that? what basis do you have for your rediculous claims?) but that also it's a big conspiracy just to kill the jews?
Really?
There is a very clear case for the need of medication in those whom are severely ill. Your case because quite frankly Lou... you are really losing it!
Stop spreading false information. Ignorance is the most dangerous weapon in the world and you are causing far more harm than you will ever know. You should be disgusted by your actions but I think you'd need to take Modafinil to realize it (pro-cognitive medication).
> > > I must admit that I have refrained from posting due to not wanting to receive the sort of response that we are talking about here. It would be too mentally challenging for me to (a) read and (b) respond to such a reply, and I would feel awful for ignoring it outright. And let's be honest, I'd continue to be spammed regardless of what I might say and request.
> > >
> > > I guess this is more my problem than anyone else's, but depression is exhausting enough as it is, you know? It's noisy enough in my head without having someone adding to it, giving ammunition to unhealthy and unhelpful thoughts. So I don't say anything, and I guess it is a shame because I don't have anyone else to talk to about these things.
> > >
> > > I guess I should press send now, though I bet I'm going to regret it soon due to the above.
> >
> > I think you ought not let it keep you from reaching out to those who might understand. There is no need to even open posts from someone if you don't wish to, much less respond.
> >
> > There is a rule at babble that says the thread originator can state up front that certain types of posts would not be helpful, and request that they not be made.
> >
> > So you can always include in your own thread a notice that you would not find certain statements helpful - statements about psych meds being potentially responsible for deaths or psych meds being potentially responsible for violence against Jews; answers that involve an apocalyptic religious experience; discussions about prohibitions that Dr. Bob may or may not have made about sharing information; requests that something be read or viewed before participants reply - or whatever you really don't wish to read. Those are just examples.
> >
> > I'm not sure if it could be included in a signature.
> >
> > Of course, it's all contingent on Babble rules being in place, and since we are virtually unmoderated, it might not be worth the bandwidth it's written on.
>
> D,
> You wrote,[...psych meds being potentially reponsible for violence against Jews...].
> Frinds,
> The statement above is taken out of context. The whole statement is like:
> [...If a person is in a community that allows statements that could arouse antisemitic feelings or allows statement that give people feelings of superiority over Jews, they could use a Jew as a target for harm. This is called {antisemitic violence}. Now in a community where mind-altering drugs are taken by the members, there is more and more evidence that the drugs could induce a mind-altered state to compel the taker of the drug to kill themselves and/or others, even mass-murder. The FDA has posted warnings to that particular psychotropic drugs can {increase} suicidal and homcidal ideation.
> The tactics used by fascists to arouse antisemitic feelings showed a willingness for some of the citizens to kill Jews by thinking that they were doing what the fascist leader wanted and that they belived that the were doing what would be good for the community as a whole. Now you parents that are reading here, trying to have a better understanding of these drugs could go to the administrive board and see the years of outstanding requests from me to Mr Hsiung, many of which I am attempting to stop the allowing of antisemitic statements to stand here. Not only are they anitsenmitic, but many are also anti-Islamic. And many are anti-others that are not members of the particular religion promulgating the statements in question. And if any one is interested in posting aboout this, I ask that you go to the admin board and post in those threads by me there. Then I could respond to you there.
> Now when the whole matter is opened up here, it takes on a different perspective, and those that want to supress what I say could prevent others from knowing the truth and be held in an indoctrination of lies about me. Lies that I think that if I was to be allowed to post here what the prohibitions to me from Mr Hsiung prevent me from, lives could be saved. Not only lives here, but lives of innocent Jews and others that are gunned-down by those in a mind-altered state from these drugs promoted here.
> Lou
Posted by Phillipa on October 24, 2012, at 20:38:45
In reply to I haven't gunned down anyone. Thanks!, posted by AlexCanada on October 24, 2012, at 19:15:32
It's a subtle form of brain washing. Now I understand why I no longer trust meds and don't want any changes and why I feel I'm dying each and every day. Phillipa
Posted by SLS on October 25, 2012, at 7:00:08
In reply to Re: I haven't gunned down anyone. Thanks! » AlexCanada, posted by Phillipa on October 24, 2012, at 20:38:45
> It's a subtle form of brain washing. Now I understand why I no longer trust meds and don't want any changes and why I feel I'm dying each and every day. Phillipa
Who are you relying upon as a source of information, Phillipa?
Who wrote the nursing guides that you believed in and relied upon? Do you now consider them to be subtle forms of brainwashing? I am sure that not everything in those guides has proved accurate over the years. However, are you to rely upon laymen like me to rewrite them? If so, then I agree with you that brainwashing has occurred.
We are all dying each and every day. The question is, what are you going to do with those days that remain?
- Scott
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 25, 2012, at 16:27:56
In reply to Lou is causing great harm., posted by AlexCanada on October 24, 2012, at 19:05:48
> Lou's actions encourage people to not take their medication. He is constantly being uncivil and makes disgusting offensive comments.
>
> How on earth is he not banned from this forum? This board continues to dwindle in membership with less active posters than years ago and the moderators need to get a clue as to why this is happening. It's because of double standard anti-med agenda pushers who are dismantling this place one day at a time.
>
> I personally am sickened to even go on this board hardly anymore because every day I see anti-med jargon and fairy tales from this unethical person whom calls me a flat out liar while calling others anti-semites just so he can continue on his ill-informed anti-drug agenda.
>
> Not everyone needs medication but there has to be a realization that some issues do require it for the individuals own good. That is why there is a difference between Depression and Clinical Depression. One is more mild than the other. And one requires medical assistance.
>
> My life was in torment before medication. If I took Lou's advice I'd be dead. So yes I will be very damn offended by his disgusting comments.
>
> We need to stand up against this. This is more than just how he may effect me or you. This is about how he effects the entire board and the hundreds of lurkers who browse for information because they are looking for genuine help. Lou's actions cause some people to question if medications are necessary. Some of these people are going through such hardships where it may be difficult to think clearly. I used to be at a point where everything looked so dark, grim, negative that it was extremely difficult to see the world through anything but the negative lens. When this occurs it is easy to think that ''nothing'' will help. This can lead certain individuals to commit suicide. When you destroy the notion of hope you destory lives. When people give up on believing that medication can help for their severe disorders then lives are lost.
>
> Lou is directly being responsible for causing tremendous harm to countless individuals. This should Not be tolerated under any circumstance!
>
>
> > > I must admit that I have refrained from posting due to not wanting to receive the sort of response that we are talking about here. It would be too mentally challenging for me to (a) read and (b) respond to such a reply, and I would feel awful for ignoring it outright. And let's be honest, I'd continue to be spammed regardless of what I might say and request.
> > >
> > > I guess this is more my problem than anyone else's, but depression is exhausting enough as it is, you know? It's noisy enough in my head without having someone adding to it, giving ammunition to unhealthy and unhelpful thoughts. So I don't say anything, and I guess it is a shame because I don't have anyone else to talk to about these things.
> > >
> > > I guess I should press send now, though I bet I'm going to regret it soon due to the above.
> >
> > I think you ought not let it keep you from reaching out to those who might understand. There is no need to even open posts from someone if you don't wish to, much less respond.
> >
> > There is a rule at babble that says the thread originator can state up front that certain types of posts would not be helpful, and request that they not be made.
> >
> > So you can always include in your own thread a notice that you would not find certain statements helpful - statements about psych meds being potentially responsible for deaths or psych meds being potentially responsible for violence against Jews; answers that involve an apocalyptic religious experience; discussions about prohibitions that Dr. Bob may or may not have made about sharing information; requests that something be read or viewed before participants reply - or whatever you really don't wish to read. Those are just examples.
> >
> > I'm not sure if it could be included in a signature.
> >
> > Of course, it's all contingent on Babble rules being in place, and since we are virtually unmoderated, it might not be worth the bandwidth it's written on.
>
> Friends,I am requesting that you read this post. The poster defames me and it is being allowed by Mr Hsiung.
The poster writes that my actions encourage people to not take their drugs. I have posted over and over and over here that I know of two ways to overcme depression adnd addiction. One by human achievement an the other by divine accomplishment. People that want to try to overcome by taking mind alterng drugs or go to some type of talking with someone or acupuncture or voodoo can do as they wish.
The poster says that he/she has an aversion here and one reason is that he/she sees fairy tales. That could be what Jews believe as I have talked about Noah and a meeting with Melchiszedek, the Prince of Peace.
The use of the phrase {fairy tales} is an insult to Judaism, for the Jews consider the parting of the sea to have been a real event, for their scriptures say that they walked on dry ground. Now if the wind caused the sea to part, the ground would be mud. And I believe by revelation that there was a great flood and that Noah was a real person that built an ark in 100 years with his sons. And it has been revealed to me that this community is like the days of Noah, There are scoffers, backbiters, slanderers, mockers , taunters all posting here aginst me and posting what could cause some to not read what I post or to tell others that what I beieve is B*llsh*t. And that I believe it. Sadly.
But there is evidence that I am prohibited from posting here that I think could save your life, or prevent a life-ruining condition or addiction. And support takes precedence according to Mr Hsiung. Support for what? Support for the poster here to defame me?
The poster writes,[... Lou is directly being responsible for causing tremendous harm to countless individualds...].
My friends, that is hate. And the community allows it here. This is a community of hate as long as that type of statement is allowed to stand.
Lou
Posted by Phillipa on October 25, 2012, at 19:07:06
In reply to Re: I haven't gunned down anyone. Thanks! » Phillipa, posted by SLS on October 25, 2012, at 7:00:08
I know I have choices as to read L's posts or not try not too. This what I referred to as brainwashing. Like the scientologists.
For beginners just had a home improvement loan approved and will build a sunroom. Continue to ride bike. And take the meds I deam confortable to take. Many of the stressors are now being removed. Hoping things get a bit better now. It's not like I'm incapible of doing things and going places, and working ebay. Phillipa
Posted by SLS on October 25, 2012, at 22:33:52
In reply to Re: I haven't gunned down anyone. Thanks! » SLS, posted by Phillipa on October 25, 2012, at 19:07:06
> I know I have choices as to read L's posts or not try not too. This what I referred to as brainwashing. Like the scientologists.
>
> For beginners just had a home improvement loan approved and will build a sunroom. Continue to ride bike. And take the meds I deam confortable to take. Many of the stressors are now being removed. Hoping things get a bit better now. It's not like I'm incapible of doing things and going places, and working ebay. Phillipa
You do a great job of remaining active. I'm sure it has helped you survive for all of these years.
- Scott
Posted by Phillipa on October 25, 2012, at 23:47:03
In reply to Re: I haven't gunned down anyone. Thanks! » Phillipa, posted by SLS on October 25, 2012, at 22:33:52
I've been called a survivor many years ago when going through divorce, raising kids at the time, running a dance program and attending RN school. But I wasn't even anxious then? Strange? Phillipa
Posted by herpills on October 26, 2012, at 8:28:14
In reply to Re: I haven't gunned down anyone. Thanks! » SLS, posted by Phillipa on October 25, 2012, at 23:47:03
> I've been called a survivor many years ago when going through divorce, raising kids at the time, running a dance program and attending RN school. But I wasn't even anxious then? Strange? Phillipa
Sounds like you were too busy to be anxious! herpills
Posted by Dinah on October 26, 2012, at 9:11:54
In reply to Lou's request to members-heyt, posted by Lou Pilder on October 25, 2012, at 16:27:56
I think you are mischaracterizing the "b*llsh*t" remark. Perhaps you misunderstood it. It had nothing to do with mocking your religious beliefs. It concerned your characterization of your actions at Babble.
And, if I remember correctly, it was made before your clarification that the Rider told you specifically to come to Babble to save souls, rather than try to save as many souls as possible?
I may be remembering that part incorrectly. But I'm not remembering incorrectly that the poster did not in any way intend the remark to mock your religious beliefs or the foundation of Judaism.
I have not read this post in any depth, but it seems that the phrase "fairy tales" did not refer to the foundations of Judaism but rather to the exaggerated tales of the consequences of taking psychiatric medication.
It's fair enough to call people on their incivility to you. But it is not fair to accuse them of anti-semetism, even if you believe it to be true. You sometimes have difficulty in distinguishing statements about you and statements about Judaism. It would be wrong of me to allow you to do to others what upsets me so much in relation to myself.
Perhaps you could bring the posts you believe are anti-semitic to your Rabbi for clarification. Unless your Rabbi also believes that it's impossible for any remarks to be addressed to an individual who happens to be Jewish, rather than Jews in general?
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 26, 2012, at 14:58:14
In reply to Re: Lou's request to members-heyt » Lou Pilder, posted by Dinah on October 26, 2012, at 9:11:54
> I think you are mischaracterizing the "b*llsh*t" remark. Perhaps you misunderstood it. It had nothing to do with mocking your religious beliefs. It concerned your characterization of your actions at Babble.
>
> And, if I remember correctly, it was made before your clarification that the Rider told you specifically to come to Babble to save souls, rather than try to save as many souls as possible?
>
> I may be remembering that part incorrectly. But I'm not remembering incorrectly that the poster did not in any way intend the remark to mock your religious beliefs or the foundation of Judaism.
>
> I have not read this post in any depth, but it seems that the phrase "fairy tales" did not refer to the foundations of Judaism but rather to the exaggerated tales of the consequences of taking psychiatric medication.
>
> It's fair enough to call people on their incivility to you. But it is not fair to accuse them of anti-semetism, even if you believe it to be true. You sometimes have difficulty in distinguishing statements about you and statements about Judaism. It would be wrong of me to allow you to do to others what upsets me so much in relation to myself.
>
> Perhaps you could bring the posts you believe are anti-semitic to your Rabbi for clarification. Unless your Rabbi also believes that it's impossible for any remarks to be addressed to an individual who happens to be Jewish, rather than Jews in general?D,
YOu wrote, [...I think that you are mischaracterizing the B*ullsh*t remark...]
Please do not accuse me of not seeig what can be seen. The remark is about what I {Believe}. Abd she says that I believe it.Sadly. (which is an insult to Judaism and an insult to the purpose of this forum.)
Now if you think that the use of B*llsh*t as she wrote to me is supportive, and your "Dr Bob" allows it, then you think the use of B*llsh*t is supportive to tell a Jew that they believe in Judaism.Sadly. When one uses the vague word {it} they can not change the meaning of it after the fact. The post is perceived as hate toward me because she calls it B*llsh*t, and the description of what I believe as in the use of {Sadly}
Lou
Posted by Dinah on October 26, 2012, at 16:45:17
In reply to Lou's reply-psahdleigh » Dinah, posted by Lou Pilder on October 26, 2012, at 14:58:14
I didn't say it was civil to you. I said it didn't refer to your religious beliefs. It referred to your motivations in posting.
If you want to say that it was uncivil to you, fine. I've probably been uncivil to you as well, although it isn't something I really like doing, and I regret doing it.
But it's also uncivil for you to accuse the poster of attacking Judaism.
You say it was there to be seen. Lots of things are there to be seen. It's the interpretation that matters.
Posted by Dinah on October 26, 2012, at 16:52:34
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-psahdleigh » Lou Pilder, posted by Dinah on October 26, 2012, at 16:45:17
If you want to accuse me of incivility to you too, I guess I have been.
My intent was never to hurt you. My intent was to show you that your behavior was not furthering your goals. And that you are as guilty as the people you accuse of incivility. I really do get sick of the charges of antisemitism. You say things that no one else would get away with.
Please recognize that my anger was with you personally, not with members of your faith. I'm simply expressing anger, not encouraging people to violence against you.
But I give up.
I don't like unmoderated boards. Right now, I don't want to be here.
Posted by gardenergirl on October 27, 2012, at 1:31:59
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-psahdleigh, posted by Dinah on October 26, 2012, at 16:52:34
I appreciate your attempts to clarify for me. You're spot on.
Posted by gardenergirl on October 27, 2012, at 1:42:23
In reply to Lou's reply-psahdleigh » Dinah, posted by Lou Pilder on October 26, 2012, at 14:58:14
> > I think you are mischaracterizing the "b*llsh*t" remark. Perhaps you misunderstood it. It had nothing to do with mocking your religious beliefs. It concerned your characterization of your actions at Babble.
Dinah got it right. She's spot on with this "You sometimes have difficulty in distinguishing statements about you and statements about Judaism." as well.
> D,
> YOu wrote, [...I think that you are mischaracterizing the B*ullsh*t remark...]
> Please do not accuse me of not seeig what can be seen. The remark is about what I {Believe}. Abd she says that I believe it.Sadly. (which is an insult to Judaism and an insult to the purpose of this forum.)Let me be very clear here, civility rules be damned. I am saddened by the thought that I believe you, Lou, experience delusions, and that you suffer distress when those thoughts are challenged and/or are not shared. I imagine that's very difficult to cope with when others don't see the world the way you do. I've seen your expressions of distress here, and I'm saddened by them.
> Now if you think that the use of B*llsh*t as she wrote to me is supportive, and your "Dr Bob" allows it, then you think the use of B*llsh*t is supportive to tell a Jew that they believe in Judaism.Sadly.
It's neither civil nor supportive. I never pretended it was. But it has nothing to do with your identification as a Jew. It has everything to do with your individual behavior as Lou. Just Lou. Not Lou the Jew.
> When one uses the vague word {it} they can not change the meaning of it after the fact.
Nope, but they can have a non or misunderstood meaning of the word and intention from the time it was expressed.
I do not hate you, Lou. I also do not hate Jews. But those two statements have nothing to do with one another. I don't expect you to agree with me or believe me, but there it is.
gg
Posted by gardenergirl on October 27, 2012, at 2:19:41
In reply to Lou's reply-psahdleigh » Dinah, posted by Lou Pilder on October 26, 2012, at 14:58:14
Everything else being said, I am sorry, Lou, for saying to you that something you said was b*llsh*t. I realize that's neither supportive nor helpful to you, and I usually know better.
gg
Posted by AlexCanada on November 2, 2012, at 9:01:48
In reply to Lou's request to members-heyt, posted by Lou Pilder on October 25, 2012, at 16:27:56
> > Lou's actions encourage people to not take their medication. He is constantly being uncivil and makes disgusting offensive comments.
> >
> > How on earth is he not banned from this forum? This board continues to dwindle in membership with less active posters than years ago and the moderators need to get a clue as to why this is happening. It's because of double standard anti-med agenda pushers who are dismantling this place one day at a time.
> >
> > I personally am sickened to even go on this board hardly anymore because every day I see anti-med jargon and fairy tales from this unethical person whom calls me a flat out liar while calling others anti-semites just so he can continue on his ill-informed anti-drug agenda.
> >
> > Not everyone needs medication but there has to be a realization that some issues do require it for the individuals own good. That is why there is a difference between Depression and Clinical Depression. One is more mild than the other. And one requires medical assistance.
> >
> > My life was in torment before medication. If I took Lou's advice I'd be dead. So yes I will be very damn offended by his disgusting comments.
> >
> > We need to stand up against this. This is more than just how he may effect me or you. This is about how he effects the entire board and the hundreds of lurkers who browse for information because they are looking for genuine help. Lou's actions cause some people to question if medications are necessary. Some of these people are going through such hardships where it may be difficult to think clearly. I used to be at a point where everything looked so dark, grim, negative that it was extremely difficult to see the world through anything but the negative lens. When this occurs it is easy to think that ''nothing'' will help. This can lead certain individuals to commit suicide. When you destroy the notion of hope you destory lives. When people give up on believing that medication can help for their severe disorders then lives are lost.
> >
> > Lou is directly being responsible for causing tremendous harm to countless individuals. This should Not be tolerated under any circumstance!
> >
> >
> > > > I must admit that I have refrained from posting due to not wanting to receive the sort of response that we are talking about here. It would be too mentally challenging for me to (a) read and (b) respond to such a reply, and I would feel awful for ignoring it outright. And let's be honest, I'd continue to be spammed regardless of what I might say and request.
> > > >
> > > > I guess this is more my problem than anyone else's, but depression is exhausting enough as it is, you know? It's noisy enough in my head without having someone adding to it, giving ammunition to unhealthy and unhelpful thoughts. So I don't say anything, and I guess it is a shame because I don't have anyone else to talk to about these things.
> > > >
> > > > I guess I should press send now, though I bet I'm going to regret it soon due to the above.
> > >
> > > I think you ought not let it keep you from reaching out to those who might understand. There is no need to even open posts from someone if you don't wish to, much less respond.
> > >
> > > There is a rule at babble that says the thread originator can state up front that certain types of posts would not be helpful, and request that they not be made.
> > >
> > > So you can always include in your own thread a notice that you would not find certain statements helpful - statements about psych meds being potentially responsible for deaths or psych meds being potentially responsible for violence against Jews; answers that involve an apocalyptic religious experience; discussions about prohibitions that Dr. Bob may or may not have made about sharing information; requests that something be read or viewed before participants reply - or whatever you really don't wish to read. Those are just examples.
> > >
> > > I'm not sure if it could be included in a signature.
> > >
> > > Of course, it's all contingent on Babble rules being in place, and since we are virtually unmoderated, it might not be worth the bandwidth it's written on.
> >
> > Friends,
>
> I am requesting that you read this post. The poster defames me and it is being allowed by Mr Hsiung.
> The poster writes that my actions encourage people to not take their drugs. I have posted over and over and over here that I know of two ways to overcme depression adnd addiction. One by human achievement an the other by divine accomplishment. People that want to try to overcome by taking mind alterng drugs or go to some type of talking with someone or acupuncture or voodoo can do as they wish.
> The poster says that he/she has an aversion here and one reason is that he/she sees fairy tales. That could be what Jews believe as I have talked about Noah and a meeting with Melchiszedek, the Prince of Peace.
> The use of the phrase {fairy tales} is an insult to Judaism, for the Jews consider the parting of the sea to have been a real event, for their scriptures say that they walked on dry ground. Now if the wind caused the sea to part, the ground would be mud. And I believe by revelation that there was a great flood and that Noah was a real person that built an ark in 100 years with his sons. And it has been revealed to me that this community is like the days of Noah, There are scoffers, backbiters, slanderers, mockers , taunters all posting here aginst me and posting what could cause some to not read what I post or to tell others that what I beieve is B*llsh*t. And that I believe it. Sadly.
> But there is evidence that I am prohibited from posting here that I think could save your life, or prevent a life-ruining condition or addiction. And support takes precedence according to Mr Hsiung. Support for what? Support for the poster here to defame me?
> The poster writes,[... Lou is directly being responsible for causing tremendous harm to countless individualds...].
> My friends, that is hate. And the community allows it here. This is a community of hate as long as that type of statement is allowed to stand.
> Lou
>
>
>There you go again. I have not once, not ever made any anti-semetic comments. You are spinning it and quite desperately. Lou, you are being quite delusional. If I disagree with you to such a strong extent because I am seriously concerned about you being responsible for loss of life then in your reality I am somehow being anti-semetic. That simply makes no sense.
I have not ever insulted anyone of jewish faith and you cannot even see that my disdain for you and your repulsive behaviour on here is clearly due to your repulsive behaviour. Simple enough?
There is nothing wrong with religeon but you are here giving ''advice'' not as some doctor but from a religeous crusade perspective. You feel you are on some mission. Any time someone poses dissenting views and calls you out on your behaviour you instantly spring up this notion of anti-semetism. Please realize that people here hold your views with animosity not because you are jewish but because you are trying to discourage people to take their medication. You feel you are more able to ''help'' people than a medical professional.
If someone was dealing with severe anxiety, panic attacks, OCD, psychosis, PTSD, melancholic depression etc... you feel no matter how severe the mental illness that it can be simply cured through religeous intervention.
That is the problem. You do not understand the issues that people are dealing with here and you never will be medical professional on the subject matter. You, unlike us, are not dealing with a severe mental illness. You cannot relate to us. You feel we can just pray our ways out of this but I hate to break it to you... it is never that simple when it comes to serious mental illness. Prayer can certainly comfort some individuals but medical treatment in combination with proper diet should never ever be ruled out.
Shame on you for ruling it out for everyone here. You never are able to admit that someone required medication for their own good.
When they suffer, others suffer. Their friends, family, loved ones, and so forth. No one wants to see someone they care for suffer and you would rather they take a chance by dropping the meds and embrace spiritualism. You have no idea of the extent of harm you are commiting with your ill-informed actions.
This is the end of the thread.
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