Posted by AlexCanada on November 2, 2012, at 9:01:48
In reply to Lou's request to members-heyt, posted by Lou Pilder on October 25, 2012, at 16:27:56
> > Lou's actions encourage people to not take their medication. He is constantly being uncivil and makes disgusting offensive comments.
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> > How on earth is he not banned from this forum? This board continues to dwindle in membership with less active posters than years ago and the moderators need to get a clue as to why this is happening. It's because of double standard anti-med agenda pushers who are dismantling this place one day at a time.
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> > I personally am sickened to even go on this board hardly anymore because every day I see anti-med jargon and fairy tales from this unethical person whom calls me a flat out liar while calling others anti-semites just so he can continue on his ill-informed anti-drug agenda.
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> > Not everyone needs medication but there has to be a realization that some issues do require it for the individuals own good. That is why there is a difference between Depression and Clinical Depression. One is more mild than the other. And one requires medical assistance.
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> > My life was in torment before medication. If I took Lou's advice I'd be dead. So yes I will be very damn offended by his disgusting comments.
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> > We need to stand up against this. This is more than just how he may effect me or you. This is about how he effects the entire board and the hundreds of lurkers who browse for information because they are looking for genuine help. Lou's actions cause some people to question if medications are necessary. Some of these people are going through such hardships where it may be difficult to think clearly. I used to be at a point where everything looked so dark, grim, negative that it was extremely difficult to see the world through anything but the negative lens. When this occurs it is easy to think that ''nothing'' will help. This can lead certain individuals to commit suicide. When you destroy the notion of hope you destory lives. When people give up on believing that medication can help for their severe disorders then lives are lost.
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> > Lou is directly being responsible for causing tremendous harm to countless individuals. This should Not be tolerated under any circumstance!
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> > > > I must admit that I have refrained from posting due to not wanting to receive the sort of response that we are talking about here. It would be too mentally challenging for me to (a) read and (b) respond to such a reply, and I would feel awful for ignoring it outright. And let's be honest, I'd continue to be spammed regardless of what I might say and request.
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> > > > I guess this is more my problem than anyone else's, but depression is exhausting enough as it is, you know? It's noisy enough in my head without having someone adding to it, giving ammunition to unhealthy and unhelpful thoughts. So I don't say anything, and I guess it is a shame because I don't have anyone else to talk to about these things.
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> > > > I guess I should press send now, though I bet I'm going to regret it soon due to the above.
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> > > I think you ought not let it keep you from reaching out to those who might understand. There is no need to even open posts from someone if you don't wish to, much less respond.
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> > > There is a rule at babble that says the thread originator can state up front that certain types of posts would not be helpful, and request that they not be made.
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> > > So you can always include in your own thread a notice that you would not find certain statements helpful - statements about psych meds being potentially responsible for deaths or psych meds being potentially responsible for violence against Jews; answers that involve an apocalyptic religious experience; discussions about prohibitions that Dr. Bob may or may not have made about sharing information; requests that something be read or viewed before participants reply - or whatever you really don't wish to read. Those are just examples.
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> > > I'm not sure if it could be included in a signature.
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> > > Of course, it's all contingent on Babble rules being in place, and since we are virtually unmoderated, it might not be worth the bandwidth it's written on.
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> > Friends,
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> I am requesting that you read this post. The poster defames me and it is being allowed by Mr Hsiung.
> The poster writes that my actions encourage people to not take their drugs. I have posted over and over and over here that I know of two ways to overcme depression adnd addiction. One by human achievement an the other by divine accomplishment. People that want to try to overcome by taking mind alterng drugs or go to some type of talking with someone or acupuncture or voodoo can do as they wish.
> The poster says that he/she has an aversion here and one reason is that he/she sees fairy tales. That could be what Jews believe as I have talked about Noah and a meeting with Melchiszedek, the Prince of Peace.
> The use of the phrase {fairy tales} is an insult to Judaism, for the Jews consider the parting of the sea to have been a real event, for their scriptures say that they walked on dry ground. Now if the wind caused the sea to part, the ground would be mud. And I believe by revelation that there was a great flood and that Noah was a real person that built an ark in 100 years with his sons. And it has been revealed to me that this community is like the days of Noah, There are scoffers, backbiters, slanderers, mockers , taunters all posting here aginst me and posting what could cause some to not read what I post or to tell others that what I beieve is B*llsh*t. And that I believe it. Sadly.
> But there is evidence that I am prohibited from posting here that I think could save your life, or prevent a life-ruining condition or addiction. And support takes precedence according to Mr Hsiung. Support for what? Support for the poster here to defame me?
> The poster writes,[... Lou is directly being responsible for causing tremendous harm to countless individualds...].
> My friends, that is hate. And the community allows it here. This is a community of hate as long as that type of statement is allowed to stand.
> Lou
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>There you go again. I have not once, not ever made any anti-semetic comments. You are spinning it and quite desperately. Lou, you are being quite delusional. If I disagree with you to such a strong extent because I am seriously concerned about you being responsible for loss of life then in your reality I am somehow being anti-semetic. That simply makes no sense.
I have not ever insulted anyone of jewish faith and you cannot even see that my disdain for you and your repulsive behaviour on here is clearly due to your repulsive behaviour. Simple enough?
There is nothing wrong with religeon but you are here giving ''advice'' not as some doctor but from a religeous crusade perspective. You feel you are on some mission. Any time someone poses dissenting views and calls you out on your behaviour you instantly spring up this notion of anti-semetism. Please realize that people here hold your views with animosity not because you are jewish but because you are trying to discourage people to take their medication. You feel you are more able to ''help'' people than a medical professional.
If someone was dealing with severe anxiety, panic attacks, OCD, psychosis, PTSD, melancholic depression etc... you feel no matter how severe the mental illness that it can be simply cured through religeous intervention.
That is the problem. You do not understand the issues that people are dealing with here and you never will be medical professional on the subject matter. You, unlike us, are not dealing with a severe mental illness. You cannot relate to us. You feel we can just pray our ways out of this but I hate to break it to you... it is never that simple when it comes to serious mental illness. Prayer can certainly comfort some individuals but medical treatment in combination with proper diet should never ever be ruled out.
Shame on you for ruling it out for everyone here. You never are able to admit that someone required medication for their own good.
When they suffer, others suffer. Their friends, family, loved ones, and so forth. No one wants to see someone they care for suffer and you would rather they take a chance by dropping the meds and embrace spiritualism. You have no idea of the extent of harm you are commiting with your ill-informed actions.
poster:AlexCanada
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