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Posted by smoothste1 on September 25, 2012, at 11:50:04
I have been on vanlafexine for about 11 years.First at 10mg then up to 225mg.The thing is i really do not feel well or normal thoughts and feelings,i feel like effexor is a waste of time,it does absolutly nothing to stop depression,so i just plod along.About 8 years ago i made my mind i wanted to get off effexor,so i was on xl version,and every day i would break open a capsule and take so many beads out each day.Basically i would take more out each week.This took me 1 year cutting down slowly.The best way so i thought.Then i was down to the last day of taking any beads,i took aprox 6/7 beads then i was finished with it.The next morning,i was so mentally ill.It was like a blanket covered my head,everything was blurred,the low was almost suisudal.I was on 100mg dexedrine also and the dexedrine when i took it,didnt work properly.I was not getting any good feeling from effexor withdrawl.I could feel it working a bit in my brain but the withdrawl of effexor was at the very front of my brain.I went to see my doc.Immediatly after a year of withdrawl he put me on 225mg again.I was just glad to get rid of the head pains.This year,i dont know how others cope,i went to see a new gp,she put me not on the capsule xl effexor,but round white pills.About the size of 5p.After 10 days i started to feel slightly diffrent,but i didnt understand or know it was a change of med with the effexor,well not the med but the type of med.Time went on and i got worse and worse.I could not go out,i was terrified,the feeling i had was awful,heartbeat out of rythen,sleep was up the wall.Until i was going totally mad,if i stood up to answer the phone from the sofa i would go dizzy,then black out and fall backwards this happened 30 plus times.The time went so slow,then i realised what it was,the efexor tablet form.I rushed to the docs and explained,she didnt seam to bothered but prescribed the capsuals.It must of took at least a couple of months to stop becoming dizzy and pass out......But i do not like effexor.I want off-it.I really do.Can somebody explain the best way to withdraw from it,can i take something else to help with the withdrawl maybe prozac,im not sure at all.And if my side effects is like 1 in 10,000 well im sure there leaflet knows how many millions are on this drug.My mum and nan died a few years ago,but if i cut 1 down to try it,i become extremely bereaved,dangerously sad and i want to cry as i miss them.Its an awful drug i hate it.Please get me off this cocktail of beads....
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 27, 2012, at 5:26:13
In reply to Effexor,can some1 give me advice....., posted by smoothste1 on September 25, 2012, at 11:50:04
> I have been on vanlafexine for about 11 years.First at 10mg then up to 225mg.The thing is i really do not feel well or normal thoughts and feelings,i feel like effexor is a waste of time,it does absolutly nothing to stop depression,so i just plod along.About 8 years ago i made my mind i wanted to get off effexor,so i was on xl version,and every day i would break open a capsule and take so many beads out each day.Basically i would take more out each week.This took me 1 year cutting down slowly.The best way so i thought.Then i was down to the last day of taking any beads,i took aprox 6/7 beads then i was finished with it.The next morning,i was so mentally ill.It was like a blanket covered my head,everything was blurred,the low was almost suisudal.I was on 100mg dexedrine also and the dexedrine when i took it,didnt work properly.I was not getting any good feeling from effexor withdrawl.I could feel it working a bit in my brain but the withdrawl of effexor was at the very front of my brain.I went to see my doc.Immediatly after a year of withdrawl he put me on 225mg again.I was just glad to get rid of the head pains.This year,i dont know how others cope,i went to see a new gp,she put me not on the capsule xl effexor,but round white pills.About the size of 5p.After 10 days i started to feel slightly diffrent,but i didnt understand or know it was a change of med with the effexor,well not the med but the type of med.Time went on and i got worse and worse.I could not go out,i was terrified,the feeling i had was awful,heartbeat out of rythen,sleep was up the wall.Until i was going totally mad,if i stood up to answer the phone from the sofa i would go dizzy,then black out and fall backwards this happened 30 plus times.The time went so slow,then i realised what it was,the efexor tablet form.I rushed to the docs and explained,she didnt seam to bothered but prescribed the capsuals.It must of took at least a couple of months to stop becoming dizzy and pass out......But i do not like effexor.I want off-it.I really do.Can somebody explain the best way to withdraw from it,can i take something else to help with the withdrawl maybe prozac,im not sure at all.And if my side effects is like 1 in 10,000 well im sure there leaflet knows how many millions are on this drug.My mum and nan died a few years ago,but if i cut 1 down to try it,i become extremely bereaved,dangerously sad and i want to cry as i miss them.Its an awful drug i hate it.Please get me off this cocktail of beads....
smoothste 1
You wrote,[...I really do not feel well or normal thoughts or feelings...I wanted to get off Effexor...then I was finished with it...the low was almost suicidal...I got worse and worse...I was going totally mad...Could somebody explain the best way to withdrawal from (Effexor)...it's an awful drug I hate it.Please get me off this cocktail of beads...].
Posted by bleauberry on September 27, 2012, at 9:24:46
In reply to Effexor,can some1 give me advice....., posted by smoothste1 on September 25, 2012, at 11:50:04
You have clearly stated the exact reasons I do not like to suggest to anyone the use of effexor. To be fair, anyone who is on a psychiatric med for 11 years is going to have a real hard time weaning off of it and learning a new life without it. The transition period,no matter how careful the weaning, can be treacherous. It's just that with effexor, the whole scenario is multiplied in intensity by about a factor of 10. It is one of the very worse meds on the planet to try to withdraw from.
Of course, they don't tell you that when you are given the prescription.
Very slow weaning, like you were doing, is the right way. You took a year, well, maybe it needs two years. Other substitutes can help, such as prozac, but not completely eliminate the pain.
The best way to accomplish what you want to accomplish, in my opinion, is not only the slow weaning, but also the education and usage of certain plant medicines. Calming, nausea, insomnia, dark depression....there are good things available to deal with these on a PRN basis throughout the journey, they can change an unbearable impossible journey into a tolerable do-able one, and along the way allow discovery of things that help so that the most recent visit to the psychiatrist turns out to be the last.
Posted by ChicagoKat on September 27, 2012, at 14:34:45
In reply to Effexor,can some1 give me advice....., posted by smoothste1 on September 25, 2012, at 11:50:04
> I have been on vanlafexine for about 11 years.First at 10mg then up to 225mg.The thing is i really do not feel well or normal thoughts and feelings,i feel like effexor is a waste of time,it does absolutly nothing to stop depression,so i just plod along.About 8 years ago i made my mind i wanted to get off effexor,so i was on xl version,and every day i would break open a capsule and take so many beads out each day.Basically i would take more out each week.This took me 1 year cutting down slowly.The best way so i thought.Then i was down to the last day of taking any beads,i took aprox 6/7 beads then i was finished with it.The next morning,i was so mentally ill.It was like a blanket covered my head,everything was blurred,the low was almost suisudal.I was on 100mg dexedrine also and the dexedrine when i took it,didnt work properly.I was not getting any good feeling from effexor withdrawl.I could feel it working a bit in my brain but the withdrawl of effexor was at the very front of my brain.I went to see my doc.Immediatly after a year of withdrawl he put me on 225mg again.I was just glad to get rid of the head pains.This year,i dont know how others cope,i went to see a new gp,she put me not on the capsule xl effexor,but round white pills.About the size of 5p.After 10 days i started to feel slightly diffrent,but i didnt understand or know it was a change of med with the effexor,well not the med but the type of med.Time went on and i got worse and worse.I could not go out,i was terrified,the feeling i had was awful,heartbeat out of rythen,sleep was up the wall.Until i was going totally mad,if i stood up to answer the phone from the sofa i would go dizzy,then black out and fall backwards this happened 30 plus times.The time went so slow,then i realised what it was,the efexor tablet form.I rushed to the docs and explained,she didnt seam to bothered but prescribed the capsuals.It must of took at least a couple of months to stop becoming dizzy and pass out......But i do not like effexor.I want off-it.I really do.Can somebody explain the best way to withdraw from it,can i take something else to help with the withdrawl maybe prozac,im not sure at all.And if my side effects is like 1 in 10,000 well im sure there leaflet knows how many millions are on this drug.My mum and nan died a few years ago,but if i cut 1 down to try it,i become extremely bereaved,dangerously sad and i want to cry as i miss them.Its an awful drug i hate it.Please get me off this cocktail of beads....
Dear Steve,
Please do not pay attention to Lou, whom I noticed posted to you. He is a troll that bugs us all. I don't even read his posts. Take care.
Your friend,
Kat
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 27, 2012, at 19:45:00
In reply to Lou's response » smoothste1, posted by Lou Pilder on September 27, 2012, at 5:26:13
> > I have been on vanlafexine for about 11 years.First at 10mg then up to 225mg.The thing is i really do not feel well or normal thoughts and feelings,i feel like effexor is a waste of time,it does absolutly nothing to stop depression,so i just plod along.About 8 years ago i made my mind i wanted to get off effexor,so i was on xl version,and every day i would break open a capsule and take so many beads out each day.Basically i would take more out each week.This took me 1 year cutting down slowly.The best way so i thought.Then i was down to the last day of taking any beads,i took aprox 6/7 beads then i was finished with it.The next morning,i was so mentally ill.It was like a blanket covered my head,everything was blurred,the low was almost suisudal.I was on 100mg dexedrine also and the dexedrine when i took it,didnt work properly.I was not getting any good feeling from effexor withdrawl.I could feel it working a bit in my brain but the withdrawl of effexor was at the very front of my brain.I went to see my doc.Immediatly after a year of withdrawl he put me on 225mg again.I was just glad to get rid of the head pains.This year,i dont know how others cope,i went to see a new gp,she put me not on the capsule xl effexor,but round white pills.About the size of 5p.After 10 days i started to feel slightly diffrent,but i didnt understand or know it was a change of med with the effexor,well not the med but the type of med.Time went on and i got worse and worse.I could not go out,i was terrified,the feeling i had was awful,heartbeat out of rythen,sleep was up the wall.Until i was going totally mad,if i stood up to answer the phone from the sofa i would go dizzy,then black out and fall backwards this happened 30 plus times.The time went so slow,then i realised what it was,the efexor tablet form.I rushed to the docs and explained,she didnt seam to bothered but prescribed the capsuals.It must of took at least a couple of months to stop becoming dizzy and pass out......But i do not like effexor.I want off-it.I really do.Can somebody explain the best way to withdraw from it,can i take something else to help with the withdrawl maybe prozac,im not sure at all.And if my side effects is like 1 in 10,000 well im sure there leaflet knows how many millions are on this drug.My mum and nan died a few years ago,but if i cut 1 down to try it,i become extremely bereaved,dangerously sad and i want to cry as i miss them.Its an awful drug i hate it.Please get me off this cocktail of beads....
>
> smoothste 1
> You wrote,[...I really do not feel well or normal thoughts or feelings...I wanted to get off Effexor...then I was finished with it...the low was almost suicidal...I got worse and worse...I was going totally mad...Could somebody explain the best way to withdrawal from (Effexor)...it's an awful drug I hate it.Please get me off this cocktail of beads...].
>smoothste 1,
In response to your request the best way to withdrawal from psychotropic drugs, I know of two ways. One is by human acheivement, the other by divine accomplishment.
If you try different man-made ideas about tactics to use to withdrawal from the drugs, be advised that whatever another tells you to try, a lot of people here put forth the thinking that we are all different, so whatever is tried, it doesn't have to work for you. I know of no proven treatment to deliver one from the horrors of withdrawal that is from human acheivement. And, be advised that during withdrawal, a lot of people could find themselves in a mind-altered state to want to kill themselves and/or others.
So this is no party, and we all want to get to the same rainbow's end.
Some wll tell you to substitute a drug for the drug that you are wanting to be free from. But the drugs that one substitutes could also cause addiction. And the chemicals in the substituted drug could also cause life-ruining conditions or death.
Now I know a way for those wanting to be free from the slavery of mind-altering addicting drugs, but be advised that there are prohibitions posted to me here from Mr Hsiung that prevent me from posting here what I think could save your life, free you from depression and addiction and give healing to those that have been damaged by psychotropic drugs. What I would post here would come from a Jewish perspective and the prohibitions contain that I can not post the foundation of Judaism as revealed to me, which prevents a lot of what I need to tell you.
There is also a prohibition to me from Mr Hsiung that states that I can not post what the scriptures that the Jews use that prescribes what happens to people that take mind-altering drugs, and to people that give them the drugs, and to those that manufacture or traffic in the drugs.
Now if you look at the administrative board and read the outstanding reqwuests from me to Mr Hsiung, you could post there and I could reply to you there.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 27, 2012, at 20:02:10
In reply to Lou's response-huklbearieghphren, posted by Lou Pilder on September 27, 2012, at 19:45:00
> > > I have been on vanlafexine for about 11 years.First at 10mg then up to 225mg.The thing is i really do not feel well or normal thoughts and feelings,i feel like effexor is a waste of time,it does absolutly nothing to stop depression,so i just plod along.About 8 years ago i made my mind i wanted to get off effexor,so i was on xl version,and every day i would break open a capsule and take so many beads out each day.Basically i would take more out each week.This took me 1 year cutting down slowly.The best way so i thought.Then i was down to the last day of taking any beads,i took aprox 6/7 beads then i was finished with it.The next morning,i was so mentally ill.It was like a blanket covered my head,everything was blurred,the low was almost suisudal.I was on 100mg dexedrine also and the dexedrine when i took it,didnt work properly.I was not getting any good feeling from effexor withdrawl.I could feel it working a bit in my brain but the withdrawl of effexor was at the very front of my brain.I went to see my doc.Immediatly after a year of withdrawl he put me on 225mg again.I was just glad to get rid of the head pains.This year,i dont know how others cope,i went to see a new gp,she put me not on the capsule xl effexor,but round white pills.About the size of 5p.After 10 days i started to feel slightly diffrent,but i didnt understand or know it was a change of med with the effexor,well not the med but the type of med.Time went on and i got worse and worse.I could not go out,i was terrified,the feeling i had was awful,heartbeat out of rythen,sleep was up the wall.Until i was going totally mad,if i stood up to answer the phone from the sofa i would go dizzy,then black out and fall backwards this happened 30 plus times.The time went so slow,then i realised what it was,the efexor tablet form.I rushed to the docs and explained,she didnt seam to bothered but prescribed the capsuals.It must of took at least a couple of months to stop becoming dizzy and pass out......But i do not like effexor.I want off-it.I really do.Can somebody explain the best way to withdraw from it,can i take something else to help with the withdrawl maybe prozac,im not sure at all.And if my side effects is like 1 in 10,000 well im sure there leaflet knows how many millions are on this drug.My mum and nan died a few years ago,but if i cut 1 down to try it,i become extremely bereaved,dangerously sad and i want to cry as i miss them.Its an awful drug i hate it.Please get me off this cocktail of beads....
> >
> > smoothste 1
> > You wrote,[...I really do not feel well or normal thoughts or feelings...I wanted to get off Effexor...then I was finished with it...the low was almost suicidal...I got worse and worse...I was going totally mad...Could somebody explain the best way to withdrawal from (Effexor)...it's an awful drug I hate it.Please get me off this cocktail of beads...].
> >
>
> smoothste 1,
> In response to your request the best way to withdrawal from psychotropic drugs, I know of two ways. One is by human acheivement, the other by divine accomplishment.
> If you try different man-made ideas about tactics to use to withdrawal from the drugs, be advised that whatever another tells you to try, a lot of people here put forth the thinking that we are all different, so whatever is tried, it doesn't have to work for you. I know of no proven treatment to deliver one from the horrors of withdrawal that is from human acheivement. And, be advised that during withdrawal, a lot of people could find themselves in a mind-altered state to want to kill themselves and/or others.
> So this is no party, and we all want to get to the same rainbow's end.
> Some wll tell you to substitute a drug for the drug that you are wanting to be free from. But the drugs that one substitutes could also cause addiction. And the chemicals in the substituted drug could also cause life-ruining conditions or death.
> Now I know a way for those wanting to be free from the slavery of mind-altering addicting drugs, but be advised that there are prohibitions posted to me here from Mr Hsiung that prevent me from posting here what I think could save your life, free you from depression and addiction and give healing to those that have been damaged by psychotropic drugs. What I would post here would come from a Jewish perspective and the prohibitions contain that I can not post the foundation of Judaism as revealed to me, which prevents a lot of what I need to tell you.
> There is also a prohibition to me from Mr Hsiung that states that I can not post what the scriptures that the Jews use that prescribes what happens to people that take mind-altering drugs, and to people that give them the drugs, and to those that manufacture or traffic in the drugs.
> Now if you look at the administrative board and read the outstanding reqwuests from me to Mr Hsiung, you could post there and I could reply to you there.
> Loufriends,
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20110902/msgs/996137.html
Posted by SLS on September 27, 2012, at 20:08:40
In reply to Lou's response-, posted by Lou Pilder on September 27, 2012, at 20:02:10
Hi Lou.
I hope your holidays were festive and pensive.
- Scott
Posted by schleprock on September 28, 2012, at 23:41:17
In reply to Lou's response-huklbearieghphren, posted by Lou Pilder on September 27, 2012, at 19:45:00
> >
> > smoothste 1
> > You wrote,[...I really do not feel well or normal thoughts or feelings...I wanted to get off Effexor...then I was finished with it...the low was almost suicidal...I got worse and worse...I was going totally mad...Could somebody explain the best way to withdrawal from (Effexor)...it's an awful drug I hate it.Please get me off this cocktail of beads...].
> >
>
> smoothste 1,
> In response to your request the best way to withdrawal from psychotropic drugs, I know of two ways. One is by human acheivement, the other by divine accomplishment.
> If you try different man-made ideas about tactics to use to withdrawal from the drugs, be advised that whatever another tells you to try, a lot of people here put forth the thinking that we are all different, so whatever is tried, it doesn't have to work for you. I know of no proven treatment to deliver one from the horrors of withdrawal that is from human acheivement. And, be advised that during withdrawal, a lot of people could find themselves in a mind-altered state to want to kill themselves and/or others.
> So this is no party, and we all want to get to the same rainbow's end.
> Some wll tell you to substitute a drug for the drug that you are wanting to be free from. But the drugs that one substitutes could also cause addiction. And the chemicals in the substituted drug could also cause life-ruining conditions or death.
> Now I know a way for those wanting to be free from the slavery of mind-altering addicting drugs, but be advised that there are prohibitions posted to me here from Mr Hsiung that prevent me from posting here what I think could save your life, free you from depression and addiction and give healing to those that have been damaged by psychotropic drugs. What I would post here would come from a Jewish perspective and the prohibitions contain that I can not post the foundation of Judaism as revealed to me, which prevents a lot of what I need to tell you.
> There is also a prohibition to me from Mr Hsiung that states that I can not post what the scriptures that the Jews use that prescribes what happens to people that take mind-altering drugs, and to people that give them the drugs, and to those that manufacture or traffic in the drugs.
> Now if you look at the administrative board and read the outstanding reqwuests from me to Mr Hsiung, you could post there and I could reply to you there.
> LouLou, you wrote [What I would post here would come from a Jewish perspective....]
Would any of the treatments you recommend potentially require adult male circumcision?
Posted by SLS on September 29, 2012, at 0:05:43
In reply to Re: Lou's response-huklbearieghphren » Lou Pilder, posted by schleprock on September 28, 2012, at 23:41:17
> Lou, you wrote [What I would post here would come from a Jewish perspective....]
>
> Would any of the treatments you recommend potentially require adult male circumcision?Humor?
:-(
- Scott
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