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Posted by brynb on September 23, 2012, at 15:10:05
Has anyone else experienced this? I don't drink (and never really did), but I used to abuse a lot of pills, in particular, benzos.
Nowadays (and for a while), I take my meds as prescribed. I don't use abusable meds anymore, and I never use illegal substances (it's been years). As needed, I'll use benzos, but not often. When I used a lot of pills in the past, I would have blackouts--much like, if not the same as, what alcoholics so often have--and not remember full days and moments at a time. It felt like amnesia. This happened to me on Z drugs, and Gabapentin, too, which I stopped taking earlier this year as it was making me manic.
I've been in a funk the past week and have been physically ill (with bronchitis and a sinus infection, so I'm on antibiotics). I made the mistake a few nights ago of taking a painkiller (90 mg of oxycodone--a lot for someone who is small and not used to it), but I wasn't feeling well, was down and in my apartment feeling like I needed to "check-out". It made me very high, manic and I blacked out. I can't remember that day or night at all. I crashed, slept and fell into a worse depression almost immediately. Now I feel anxious and guilty, slow and out of it.
Is this indicative of anything, such as brain damage? I'm worried. I must stress, a friend gave me the pills, and it was just this one night, an isolated incident as I very rarely (if ever) take anything that isn't prescribed. I haven't experienced this since Neurontin (and before that, it was a while as I haven't abused meds in years). I understand how alcohol affects the GABA receptors, and how these drugs work in a related way. I obviously know to avoid ANYTHING that isn't prescribed to me at this point, especially as the results are devastating to my state of being. But, really? From 3 pills as an isolated incident? What's going on here?
Feedback?
Thanks.
Posted by phillipa on September 23, 2012, at 16:24:23
In reply to Med-induced blackouts/brain damage?, posted by brynb on September 23, 2012, at 15:10:05
Could it be the antibiotic? Last night was googling the ones I'd taken and Lots have mental issues as side effects. One I can't take is Levoquin? Phillipa
Posted by brynb on September 23, 2012, at 16:33:54
In reply to Re: Med-induced blackouts/brain damage? » brynb, posted by phillipa on September 23, 2012, at 16:24:23
> Could it be the antibiotic? Last night was googling the ones I'd taken and Lots have mental issues as side effects. One I can't take is Levoquin? Phillipa
Hi Phillipa,
I doubt it, though I'm taking a high dose (1500 mg of Amoxicillan). I'm pretty sure it's the hypnotics/downers/painkillers. Now I'm upset to the point where I want to just obliterate the guilt and anxiety.
Thanks,
b
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 23, 2012, at 17:22:18
In reply to Med-induced blackouts/brain damage?, posted by brynb on September 23, 2012, at 15:10:05
> Has anyone else experienced this? I don't drink (and never really did), but I used to abuse a lot of pills, in particular, benzos.
>
> Nowadays (and for a while), I take my meds as prescribed. I don't use abusable meds anymore, and I never use illegal substances (it's been years). As needed, I'll use benzos, but not often. When I used a lot of pills in the past, I would have blackouts--much like, if not the same as, what alcoholics so often have--and not remember full days and moments at a time. It felt like amnesia. This happened to me on Z drugs, and Gabapentin, too, which I stopped taking earlier this year as it was making me manic.
>
> I've been in a funk the past week and have been physically ill (with bronchitis and a sinus infection, so I'm on antibiotics). I made the mistake a few nights ago of taking a painkiller (90 mg of oxycodone--a lot for someone who is small and not used to it), but I wasn't feeling well, was down and in my apartment feeling like I needed to "check-out". It made me very high, manic and I blacked out. I can't remember that day or night at all. I crashed, slept and fell into a worse depression almost immediately. Now I feel anxious and guilty, slow and out of it.
>
> Is this indicative of anything, such as brain damage? I'm worried. I must stress, a friend gave me the pills, and it was just this one night, an isolated incident as I very rarely (if ever) take anything that isn't prescribed. I haven't experienced this since Neurontin (and before that, it was a while as I haven't abused meds in years). I understand how alcohol affects the GABA receptors, and how these drugs work in a related way. I obviously know to avoid ANYTHING that isn't prescribed to me at this point, especially as the results are devastating to my state of being. But, really? From 3 pills as an isolated incident? What's going on here?
>
> Feedback?
>
> Thanks.b,
You wrote,[...abuse a lot of pills..benzos...blackouts...Z drugs..and gabapentin...in a funk...oxycodone...I needed to "check out"...I blacked out...fell into a worse depression...brain damage?...What's going on here?...].
I know what's going on here and of a way for you to come out of the darkness of depression and into a marvelous light. This light came to David and Solomon and Moses and Isaiah and others that reveals a way to overcome darkness by having a Sun that heals by shining its stripes upon those that are in a condition like yours, asking, what is going on, as being lost to find their way out of the darkness of depression. And it has been revealed to me that all we like (redacted by respondent).
Now many here already know that I have been writing here about a Great Gulf that separates two kingdoms. The two kingdoms are the kingdom of the mind of flesh, or the natural man, or carnal mind, and the spiritual kingdom of the spiritual mind. And I have been attempting to show the way to passover the Great gulf and leave the carnal mind behind and enter a new realm where there is peace and joy and all things are new. Gone is depression and fear. Gone are all tears. Gone are addiction and pain. Gone is death. And it can be here on earth like it is in that kingdom, a place in your heart called paradise. I tell you today, you could be in paradise.
The prophet Danial wrote of this kingdom. Abraham went to this kingdom. And Abraham was visited by one that I know. And He gave me the same prescription to the keys to the kingdom of peace and joy and life.
You see, the people in the paradise kingdom (redacted by respondent) have overcome. They are kings, not slaves. They get up every morning with a smile on their face and show the world all the love in their heart. They are kings and priests after the order of the Rider on the white horse whose name has been revealed to me as Melvin Chizedek.
Now Abraham met this person and believed him and followed him into the spiritual kingdom. And this person is here today to follow into the kingdom of life, out of the kingdom of death.
Posted by brynb on September 23, 2012, at 17:50:52
In reply to Lou's response- » brynb, posted by Lou Pilder on September 23, 2012, at 17:22:18
>
> b,
> You wrote,[...abuse a lot of pills..benzos...blackouts...Z drugs..and gabapentin...in a funk...oxycodone...I needed to "check out"...I blacked out...fell into a worse depression...brain damage?...What's going on here?...].
> I know what's going on here and of a way for you to come out of the darkness of depression and into a marvelous light. This light came to David and Solomon and Moses and Isaiah and others that reveals a way to overcome darkness by having a Sun that heals by shining its stripes upon those that are in a condition like yours, asking, what is going on, as being lost to find their way out of the darkness of depression. And it has been revealed to me that all we like (redacted by respondent).
> Now many here already know that I have been writing here about a Great Gulf that separates two kingdoms. The two kingdoms are the kingdom of the mind of flesh, or the natural man, or carnal mind, and the spiritual kingdom of the spiritual mind. And I have been attempting to show the way to passover the Great gulf and leave the carnal mind behind and enter a new realm where there is peace and joy and all things are new. Gone is depression and fear. Gone are all tears. Gone are addiction and pain. Gone is death. And it can be here on earth like it is in that kingdom, a place in your heart called paradise. I tell you today, you could be in paradise.
> The prophet Danial wrote of this kingdom. Abraham went to this kingdom. And Abraham was visited by one that I know. And He gave me the same prescription to the keys to the kingdom of peace and joy and life.
> You see, the people in the paradise kingdom (redacted by respondent) have overcome. They are kings, not slaves. They get up every morning with a smile on their face and show the world all the love in their heart. They are kings and priests after the order of the Rider on the white horse whose name has been revealed to me as Melvin Chizedek.
> Now Abraham met this person and believed him and followed him into the spiritual kingdom. And this person is here today to follow into the kingdom of life, out of the kingdom of death.
>
>
>Lou,
Your response is more detailed than usual and I appreciate it. With that, though, I must emphasize that I no longer abuse/use (addictive) substances, and it is the (very) rare occasion that I try to check out. As I mentioned earlier, I don't even drink--never--not even a glass of wine. This occurrence was a one night deal that left me pondering its effects. I am fortunate to not be stuck in the cycle of addiction. I am not so worried about addiction or death anymore, either, for in addressing and acknowledging my depression properly, I am generally swayed away from wanting to self-medicate and/or extinguish myself.
I appreciate the spiritual path and am open to ideas other than meds, but only if these suggestions are somehow rooted in logic, even the slightest bit.
Posted by jono_in_adelaide on September 23, 2012, at 19:00:56
In reply to Med-induced blackouts/brain damage?, posted by brynb on September 23, 2012, at 15:10:05
I'd lay off any non-prescribed drugs and alcohol, and hopefully you'll be back to normal in a few days - if not, see your doctor and be completely frank with them about what happend and what its done to you
Posted by emmanuel98 on September 23, 2012, at 19:11:02
In reply to Re: Med-induced blackouts/brain damage?, posted by jono_in_adelaide on September 23, 2012, at 19:00:56
90 mg of oxycodone? That's enough to OD on. Lucky you made it through the night. Of course you would black out, be in a stupor and lose time.
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 23, 2012, at 19:27:33
In reply to Re: Lou's response- » Lou Pilder, posted by brynb on September 23, 2012, at 17:50:52
> >
> > b,
> > You wrote,[...abuse a lot of pills..benzos...blackouts...Z drugs..and gabapentin...in a funk...oxycodone...I needed to "check out"...I blacked out...fell into a worse depression...brain damage?...What's going on here?...].
> > I know what's going on here and of a way for you to come out of the darkness of depression and into a marvelous light. This light came to David and Solomon and Moses and Isaiah and others that reveals a way to overcome darkness by having a Sun that heals by shining its stripes upon those that are in a condition like yours, asking, what is going on, as being lost to find their way out of the darkness of depression. And it has been revealed to me that all we like (redacted by respondent).
> > Now many here already know that I have been writing here about a Great Gulf that separates two kingdoms. The two kingdoms are the kingdom of the mind of flesh, or the natural man, or carnal mind, and the spiritual kingdom of the spiritual mind. And I have been attempting to show the way to passover the Great gulf and leave the carnal mind behind and enter a new realm where there is peace and joy and all things are new. Gone is depression and fear. Gone are all tears. Gone are addiction and pain. Gone is death. And it can be here on earth like it is in that kingdom, a place in your heart called paradise. I tell you today, you could be in paradise.
> > The prophet Danial wrote of this kingdom. Abraham went to this kingdom. And Abraham was visited by one that I know. And He gave me the same prescription to the keys to the kingdom of peace and joy and life.
> > You see, the people in the paradise kingdom (redacted by respondent) have overcome. They are kings, not slaves. They get up every morning with a smile on their face and show the world all the love in their heart. They are kings and priests after the order of the Rider on the white horse whose name has been revealed to me as Melvin Chizedek.
> > Now Abraham met this person and believed him and followed him into the spiritual kingdom. And this person is here today to follow into the kingdom of life, out of the kingdom of death.
> >
> >
> >
>
> Lou,
>
> Your response is more detailed than usual and I appreciate it. With that, though, I must emphasize that I no longer abuse/use (addictive) substances, and it is the (very) rare occasion that I try to check out. As I mentioned earlier, I don't even drink--never--not even a glass of wine. This occurrence was a one night deal that left me pondering its effects. I am fortunate to not be stuck in the cycle of addiction. I am not so worried about addiction or death anymore, either, for in addressing and acknowledging my depression properly, I am generally swayed away from wanting to self-medicate and/or extinguish myself.
>
> I appreciate the spiritual path and am open to ideas other than meds, but only if these suggestions are somehow rooted in logic, even the slightest bit.
>b,
You wrote,[...I..am open to ideas other than meds...if rooted in logic..].
You know, what I have been writing here in an attempt to free the captives from depression/addiction is about the {word}. Now {logos} is Greek for {word}. The word, {logic} comes from {logos}. This leads to {intelligence} and {speech}.
You see, there is a lot of intelligence in the universe. We are not able to understand everything. Some things come to us by direct revelation and somethings come from logically concluding from facts.
There is the fact that the universe exists. Now if it came from nothing, would that be logical?
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 23, 2012, at 19:46:39
In reply to Lou's reply--logos » brynb, posted by Lou Pilder on September 23, 2012, at 19:27:33
> > >
> > > b,
> > > You wrote,[...abuse a lot of pills..benzos...blackouts...Z drugs..and gabapentin...in a funk...oxycodone...I needed to "check out"...I blacked out...fell into a worse depression...brain damage?...What's going on here?...].
> > > I know what's going on here and of a way for you to come out of the darkness of depression and into a marvelous light. This light came to David and Solomon and Moses and Isaiah and others that reveals a way to overcome darkness by having a Sun that heals by shining its stripes upon those that are in a condition like yours, asking, what is going on, as being lost to find their way out of the darkness of depression. And it has been revealed to me that all we like (redacted by respondent).
> > > Now many here already know that I have been writing here about a Great Gulf that separates two kingdoms. The two kingdoms are the kingdom of the mind of flesh, or the natural man, or carnal mind, and the spiritual kingdom of the spiritual mind. And I have been attempting to show the way to passover the Great gulf and leave the carnal mind behind and enter a new realm where there is peace and joy and all things are new. Gone is depression and fear. Gone are all tears. Gone are addiction and pain. Gone is death. And it can be here on earth like it is in that kingdom, a place in your heart called paradise. I tell you today, you could be in paradise.
> > > The prophet Danial wrote of this kingdom. Abraham went to this kingdom. And Abraham was visited by one that I know. And He gave me the same prescription to the keys to the kingdom of peace and joy and life.
> > > You see, the people in the paradise kingdom (redacted by respondent) have overcome. They are kings, not slaves. They get up every morning with a smile on their face and show the world all the love in their heart. They are kings and priests after the order of the Rider on the white horse whose name has been revealed to me as Melvin Chizedek.
> > > Now Abraham met this person and believed him and followed him into the spiritual kingdom. And this person is here today to follow into the kingdom of life, out of the kingdom of death.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Lou,
> >
> > Your response is more detailed than usual and I appreciate it. With that, though, I must emphasize that I no longer abuse/use (addictive) substances, and it is the (very) rare occasion that I try to check out. As I mentioned earlier, I don't even drink--never--not even a glass of wine. This occurrence was a one night deal that left me pondering its effects. I am fortunate to not be stuck in the cycle of addiction. I am not so worried about addiction or death anymore, either, for in addressing and acknowledging my depression properly, I am generally swayed away from wanting to self-medicate and/or extinguish myself.
> >
> > I appreciate the spiritual path and am open to ideas other than meds, but only if these suggestions are somehow rooted in logic, even the slightest bit.
> >
>
> b,
>
> You wrote,[...I..am open to ideas other than meds...if rooted in logic..].
> You know, what I have been writing here in an attempt to free the captives from depression/addiction is about the {word}. Now {logos} is Greek for {word}. The word, {logic} comes from {logos}. This leads to {intelligence} and {speech}.
> You see, there is a lot of intelligence in the universe. We are not able to understand everything. Some things come to us by direct revelation and somethings come from logically concluding from facts.
> There is the fact that the universe exists. Now if it came from nothing, would that be logical?
> Loub,
Now in the scriptures that the Jews use, there reads that in the beginning, God in those scriptures {said}, let there be light. So the creation of light was by that God speaking, by the word, the logos of that god, the intelligence of that god. So in those scriptures, we see a creative god as starting a beginning that we know of now.
So when one looks up at the evening sky and sees the stars, is it logical that there is no creation, or do the heavens declare the glory of God?
Lou
Posted by brynb on September 23, 2012, at 20:44:12
In reply to Re: Med-induced blackouts/brain damage?, posted by jono_in_adelaide on September 23, 2012, at 19:00:56
> I'd lay off any non-prescribed drugs and alcohol, and hopefully you'll be back to normal in a few days - if not, see your doctor and be completely frank with them about what happend and what its done to you
Thanks, I plan on it. As I don't drink, it's not going to be hard. I just rarely take anything other than what I'm prescribed. My pdoc is also an addiction specialist, and knows about my past substance issues; I'm afraid of his reaction, and truthfully, really embarrassed about it.
Posted by brynb on September 23, 2012, at 20:53:01
In reply to Re: Med-induced blackouts/brain damage?, posted by emmanuel98 on September 23, 2012, at 19:11:02
> 90 mg of oxycodone? That's enough to OD on. Lucky you made it through the night. Of course you would black out, be in a stupor and lose time.
I suppose when you say it like that it's obvious, huh? I know it's not the brightest thing, but I was sick and out of it, and had a "what the hell" moment. Fortunately, it scared the heck out of me. I didn't process how much I actually took--that was hindsight. When I abused pills in the past, I took copious amounts, so I think I justified 3 little pills (albeit 30 mg each) as being "nothing". Stupid, stupid me, and I'm beating myself up over it.
Posted by brynb on September 23, 2012, at 21:00:26
In reply to : Lou's reply--hevnzdeclair, posted by Lou Pilder on September 23, 2012, at 19:46:39
> > b,
> >
> > You wrote,[...I..am open to ideas other than meds...if rooted in logic..].
> > You know, what I have been writing here in an attempt to free the captives from depression/addiction is about the {word}. Now {logos} is Greek for {word}. The word, {logic} comes from {logos}. This leads to {intelligence} and {speech}.
> > You see, there is a lot of intelligence in the universe. We are not able to understand everything. Some things come to us by direct revelation and somethings come from logically concluding from facts.
> > There is the fact that the universe exists. Now if it came from nothing, would that be logical?
> > Lou
>
> b,
> Now in the scriptures that the Jews use, there reads that in the beginning, God in those scriptures {said}, let there be light. So the creation of light was by that God speaking, by the word, the logos of that god, the intelligence of that god. So in those scriptures, we see a creative god as starting a beginning that we know of now.
> So when one looks up at the evening sky and sees the stars, is it logical that there is no creation, or do the heavens declare the glory of God?
> Lou
>Good point, Lou. I'm Jewish, though not religious. While I affiliate with Judaism, and believe in the religion, I can't say I know enough about any religion to believe in it as an absolute. Thankfully I can atone this Wednesday (and fast, as I do annually). So, other than putting my faith wholly in my religion, am I missing something here?
Posted by brynb on September 23, 2012, at 21:20:28
In reply to Re: Med-induced blackouts/brain damage?, posted by emmanuel98 on September 23, 2012, at 19:11:02
> 90 mg of oxycodone? That's enough to OD on. Lucky you made it through the night. Of course you would black out, be in a stupor and lose time.
Also, I'm more concerned with the blackout issue as that was something that started happening a few years back. Despite not taking anything habitually anymore, it happened as if things started back from where I last left off (at high doses, when I had a problem). I'm embarrassed (and scared).
Posted by jono_in_adelaide on September 23, 2012, at 22:15:24
In reply to Re: Med-induced blackouts/brain damage?, posted by brynb on September 23, 2012, at 21:20:28
Taking 90mg of oxycodone when you arnt tolorant would almost certainly cause you to black out - indeed, its amazing that it didnt cause you to black out for good.
I wouldnt overanalise this, just make sure you dont do it again
Posted by brynb on September 23, 2012, at 22:48:09
In reply to Re: Med-induced blackouts/brain damage?, posted by jono_in_adelaide on September 23, 2012, at 22:15:24
> Taking 90mg of oxycodone when you arnt tolorant would almost certainly cause you to black out - indeed, its amazing that it didnt cause you to black out for good.
>I know; it's been ages since I've put anything in my body, so I popped 3/30 mg pills forgetting their potency. I used to take really high doses of benzos and pain pills, so even though I no longer do, I forget that a dose like 90 mg is high.
> I wouldnt overanalise this, just make sure you dont do it again
Thank you, I needed to hear that =). But, it's enough to make me want to ask my pdoc for Suboxone for depression and cravings. i actually don't have any cravings, and i can't help but stress how isolated this was, but i think he'd be more open to me taking Suboxone for cravings, even with benzos, than in using it for depression. I don't want to make it into anything though, and most likely won't say anything.
Posted by B2chica on September 24, 2012, at 11:01:34
In reply to Med-induced blackouts/brain damage?, posted by brynb on September 23, 2012, at 15:10:05
once and a while i will get that from xanax. mostly if i havne't used it in a while and i go up in mg too fast. i have total blackout of that evening that i take it.
Posted by schleprock on September 24, 2012, at 23:40:42
In reply to Lou's response- » brynb, posted by Lou Pilder on September 23, 2012, at 17:22:18
>> You wrote,[...abuse a lot of pills..benzos...blackouts...Z drugs..and gabapentin...in a funk...oxycodone...I needed to "check out"...I blacked out...fell into a worse depression...brain damage?...What's going on here?...].
> I know what's going on here and of a way for you to come out of the darkness of depression and into a marvelous light. This light came to David and Solomon and Moses and Isaiah and others that reveals a way to overcome darkness by having a Sun that heals by shining its stripes upon those that are in a condition like yours, asking, what is going on, as being lost to find their way out of the darkness of depression. And it has been revealed to me that all we like (redacted by respondent).
> Now many here already know that I have been writing here about a Great Gulf that separates two kingdoms. The two kingdoms are the kingdom of the mind of flesh, or the natural man, or carnal mind, and the spiritual kingdom of the spiritual mind. And I have been attempting to show the way to passover the Great gulf and leave the carnal mind behind and enter a new realm where there is peace and joy and all things are new. Gone is depression and fear. Gone are all tears. Gone are addiction and pain. Gone is death. And it can be here on earth like it is in that kingdom, a place in your heart called paradise. I tell you today, you could be in paradise.
> The prophet Danial wrote of this kingdom. Abraham went to this kingdom. And Abraham was visited by one that I know. And He gave me the same prescription to the keys to the kingdom of peace and joy and life.
> You see, the people in the paradise kingdom (redacted by respondent) have overcome. They are kings, not slaves. They get up every morning with a smile on their face and show the world all the love in their heart. They are kings and priests after the order of the Rider on the white horse whose name has been revealed to me as Melvin Chizedek.
> Now Abraham met this person and believed him and followed him into the spiritual kingdom. And this person is here today to follow into the kingdom of life, out of the kingdom of death.
>
>
>
>
>I've googled "Melvin Chizedek" and only came up with 15 hits: half related to Lou's reference and the other half on some sort of financial forum. He also has a barebones Facebook page. So there's a slim chance that this "Melvin Chizedek" could be an actual person. If he works in the financial industry, it's conceivable he could afford a horse.
Lou, if you could provide some photographs of Melvin Chizedek on his white horse, I might be inclined to take you a little more seriously. But even then, of course, there's still the hurdle regarding Abraham (I'm assuming you refer to the Jewish patriarch) following Melvin, which is theoretically impossible.
Posted by schleprock on September 25, 2012, at 0:26:25
In reply to : Lou's reply--hevnzdeclair, posted by Lou Pilder on September 23, 2012, at 19:46:39
> > > >
> > > > b,
> > > > You wrote,[...abuse a lot of pills..benzos...blackouts...Z drugs..and gabapentin...in a funk...oxycodone...I needed to "check out"...I blacked out...fell into a worse depression...brain damage?...What's going on here?...].
> > > > I know what's going on here and of a way for you to come out of the darkness of depression and into a marvelous light. This light came to David and Solomon and Moses and Isaiah and others that reveals a way to overcome darkness by having a Sun that heals by shining its stripes upon those that are in a condition like yours, asking, what is going on, as being lost to find their way out of the darkness of depression. And it has been revealed to me that all we like (redacted by respondent).
> > > > Now many here already know that I have been writing here about a Great Gulf that separates two kingdoms. The two kingdoms are the kingdom of the mind of flesh, or the natural man, or carnal mind, and the spiritual kingdom of the spiritual mind. And I have been attempting to show the way to passover the Great gulf and leave the carnal mind behind and enter a new realm where there is peace and joy and all things are new. Gone is depression and fear. Gone are all tears. Gone are addiction and pain. Gone is death. And it can be here on earth like it is in that kingdom, a place in your heart called paradise. I tell you today, you could be in paradise.
> > > > The prophet Danial wrote of this kingdom. Abraham went to this kingdom. And Abraham was visited by one that I know. And He gave me the same prescription to the keys to the kingdom of peace and joy and life.
> > > > You see, the people in the paradise kingdom (redacted by respondent) have overcome. They are kings, not slaves. They get up every morning with a smile on their face and show the world all the love in their heart. They are kings and priests after the order of the Rider on the white horse whose name has been revealed to me as Melvin Chizedek.
> > > > Now Abraham met this person and believed him and followed him into the spiritual kingdom. And this person is here today to follow into the kingdom of life, out of the kingdom of death.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > Lou,
> > >
> > > Your response is more detailed than usual and I appreciate it. With that, though, I must emphasize that I no longer abuse/use (addictive) substances, and it is the (very) rare occasion that I try to check out. As I mentioned earlier, I don't even drink--never--not even a glass of wine. This occurrence was a one night deal that left me pondering its effects. I am fortunate to not be stuck in the cycle of addiction. I am not so worried about addiction or death anymore, either, for in addressing and acknowledging my depression properly, I am generally swayed away from wanting to self-medicate and/or extinguish myself.
> > >
> > > I appreciate the spiritual path and am open to ideas other than meds, but only if these suggestions are somehow rooted in logic, even the slightest bit.
> > >
> >
> > b,
> >
> > You wrote,[...I..am open to ideas other than meds...if rooted in logic..].
> > You know, what I have been writing here in an attempt to free the captives from depression/addiction is about the {word}. Now {logos} is Greek for {word}. The word, {logic} comes from {logos}. This leads to {intelligence} and {speech}.
> > You see, there is a lot of intelligence in the universe. We are not able to understand everything. Some things come to us by direct revelation and somethings come from logically concluding from facts.
> > There is the fact that the universe exists. Now if it came from nothing, would that be logical?
> > Lou
>
> b,
> Now in the scriptures that the Jews use, there reads that in the beginning, God in those scriptures {said}, let there be light. So the creation of light was by that God speaking, by the word, the logos of that god, the intelligence of that god. So in those scriptures, we see a creative god as starting a beginning that we know of now.
> So when one looks up at the evening sky and sees the stars, is it logical that there is no creation, or do the heavens declare the glory of God?
> Lou
>Seriously, Lou, can God even pronounce "Melvin Chizedek"?
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 25, 2012, at 7:30:03
In reply to Re: Lou's response- » Lou Pilder, posted by schleprock on September 24, 2012, at 23:40:42
> >> You wrote,[...abuse a lot of pills..benzos...blackouts...Z drugs..and gabapentin...in a funk...oxycodone...I needed to "check out"...I blacked out...fell into a worse depression...brain damage?...What's going on here?...].
> > I know what's going on here and of a way for you to come out of the darkness of depression and into a marvelous light. This light came to David and Solomon and Moses and Isaiah and others that reveals a way to overcome darkness by having a Sun that heals by shining its stripes upon those that are in a condition like yours, asking, what is going on, as being lost to find their way out of the darkness of depression. And it has been revealed to me that all we like (redacted by respondent).
> > Now many here already know that I have been writing here about a Great Gulf that separates two kingdoms. The two kingdoms are the kingdom of the mind of flesh, or the natural man, or carnal mind, and the spiritual kingdom of the spiritual mind. And I have been attempting to show the way to passover the Great gulf and leave the carnal mind behind and enter a new realm where there is peace and joy and all things are new. Gone is depression and fear. Gone are all tears. Gone are addiction and pain. Gone is death. And it can be here on earth like it is in that kingdom, a place in your heart called paradise. I tell you today, you could be in paradise.
> > The prophet Danial wrote of this kingdom. Abraham went to this kingdom. And Abraham was visited by one that I know. And He gave me the same prescription to the keys to the kingdom of peace and joy and life.
> > You see, the people in the paradise kingdom (redacted by respondent) have overcome. They are kings, not slaves. They get up every morning with a smile on their face and show the world all the love in their heart. They are kings and priests after the order of the Rider on the white horse whose name has been revealed to me as Melvin Chizedek.
> > Now Abraham met this person and believed him and followed him into the spiritual kingdom. And this person is here today to follow into the kingdom of life, out of the kingdom of death.
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> I've googled "Melvin Chizedek" and only came up with 15 hits: half related to Lou's reference and the other half on some sort of financial forum. He also has a barebones Facebook page. So there's a slim chance that this "Melvin Chizedek" could be an actual person. If he works in the financial industry, it's conceivable he could afford a horse.
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> Lou, if you could provide some photographs of Melvin Chizedek on his white horse, I might be inclined to take you a little more seriously. But even then, of course, there's still the hurdle regarding Abraham (I'm assuming you refer to the Jewish patriarch) following Melvin, which is theoretically impossible.schleprock,
You wrote the above.
Melchizedek means,[...king of righteousness...]. He is in the scriptures that the Jews use and is the prince of Salem, or prince of peace.
Now this could open your eyes to a situation that I am prohibited from posting about here due to the prohibitions posted to me here by Mr Hsiung.
And in that Day when and if I am able to post here concerning that, you could see the opening to the kingdom of light and life and passover there from the kingdom of darkness and death.
You see, I have been posting about the Sun of Righteousness with healing in his wings. And I have been posting here about the Rider on the white horse which is {Melchizedek} that Abraham had an encounter with. And the prescription into the kingdom of life was stated concerning Melchizedek.
Now I am prohibited by the nature of Mr. Hsiung's prohibitions to me here, from posting what the scriptures that the Jews use as to how those scriptures prescribe the (redacted by respondent).
But what does that have to do with Melchizedek? It has to do with opening up to the kingdom of life and light and peace, by the Prince of Peace, the Sun of Righteousness, the Light of the World.
For in the beginning was the Word. And in Him was life and the life was the light of men. And the light shined in the darkness and the darkness comprehended it not. And He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. And the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us.
The Rider on the white horse is a spritual manifistation of Melchizedek that reveals the entrance into the Kingdom of Life and Light and Peace. In this kingdom there is no death, no pain, no tears. And this kingdom is on earth as it is in heaven. There is no addiction in this kingdom, there is no depression in this kingdom, there is no darkness in this kingdom. This kingdom is open to all, and it has been revealed to me the way for those that want to come out of the darkness of depression and addiction into a marvelous light of peace and joy and life.
Lou
Posted by schleprock on September 25, 2012, at 23:44:24
In reply to Lou's reply-melchizedek » schleprock, posted by Lou Pilder on September 25, 2012, at 7:30:03
>> schleprock,
> You wrote the above.
> Melchizedek means,[...king of righteousness...]. He is in the scriptures that the Jews use and is the prince of Salem, or prince of peace.
> Now this could open your eyes to a situation that I am prohibited from posting about here due to the prohibitions posted to me here by Mr Hsiung.
> And in that Day when and if I am able to post here concerning that, you could see the opening to the kingdom of light and life and passover there from the kingdom of darkness and death.
> You see, I have been posting about the Sun of Righteousness with healing in his wings. And I have been posting here about the Rider on the white horse which is {Melchizedek} that Abraham had an encounter with. And the prescription into the kingdom of life was stated concerning Melchizedek.
> Now I am prohibited by the nature of Mr. Hsiung's prohibitions to me here, from posting what the scriptures that the Jews use as to how those scriptures prescribe the (redacted by respondent).
> But what does that have to do with Melchizedek? It has to do with opening up to the kingdom of life and light and peace, by the Prince of Peace, the Sun of Righteousness, the Light of the World.
> For in the beginning was the Word. And in Him was life and the life was the light of men. And the light shined in the darkness and the darkness comprehended it not. And He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. And the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us.
> The Rider on the white horse is a spritual manifistation of Melchizedek that reveals the entrance into the Kingdom of Life and Light and Peace. In this kingdom there is no death, no pain, no tears. And this kingdom is on earth as it is in heaven. There is no addiction in this kingdom, there is no depression in this kingdom, there is no darkness in this kingdom. This kingdom is open to all, and it has been revealed to me the way for those that want to come out of the darkness of depression and addiction into a marvelous light of peace and joy and life.
> LouYes, I think I saw him in The Lord of the Rings.
Posted by phidippus on September 26, 2012, at 13:18:42
In reply to Med-induced blackouts/brain damage?, posted by brynb on September 23, 2012, at 15:10:05
>I made the mistake a few nights ago of taking a painkiller (90 mg of oxycodone--a lot for someone who is small and not used to it)
I take 50 mg a day. I have a friend who takes a 100 mg a day.
>feeling like I needed to "check-out". It made me very high, manic and I blacked out.
What do you mean "check-out"? How were you 'very high', 'manic'?
>Now I feel anxious and guilty, slow and out of it.
What are you guilty about?
> Is this indicative of anything, such as brain damage?
No.
>But, really? From 3 pills as an isolated incident? What's going on here?
Something psychosomatic.
Eric
Posted by brynb on September 26, 2012, at 15:14:34
In reply to Re: Med-induced blackouts/brain damage? » brynb, posted by phidippus on September 26, 2012, at 13:18:42
> >I made the mistake a few nights ago of taking a painkiller (90 mg of oxycodone--a lot for someone who is small and not used to it)
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> I take 50 mg a day. I have a friend who takes a 100 mg a day.
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> >feeling like I needed to "check-out". It made me very high, manic and I blacked out.
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> What do you mean "check-out"? How were you 'very high', 'manic'?
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> >Now I feel anxious and guilty, slow and out of it.
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> What are you guilty about?
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> > Is this indicative of anything, such as brain damage?
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> No.
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> >But, really? From 3 pills as an isolated incident? What's going on here?
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> Something psychosomatic.
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> Eric
Hi Eric,Thanks for your response. It was a high dose for me as I don't use opiates. (I'm also only 105 lbs.) I've been pretty sick physically (sinus infection & bronchitis) the past 2 weeks, and I wasn't feeling well, so I just wanted a bit of a buzz. I don't drink, so I guess it's my version of having a glass of wine (in order to chill, not really "check-out").
I was actually looking to mellow out, but I forgot that opiates make me pretty speedy and energetic, so it felt kind of manic.
Not sure why I felt so guilty. I try to treat my body well, and typically am very careful about what I put in it. I felt like I did something "bad" and obsessed over it.
Why do you think my response was psychosomatic?
Thanks, Eric =).
Posted by phidippus on September 27, 2012, at 17:10:06
In reply to Re: Med-induced blackouts/brain damage? » phidippus, posted by brynb on September 26, 2012, at 15:14:34
>opiates make me pretty speedy and energetic, so it >felt kind of manic.
Trust me, you weren't manic.
>Why do you think my response was psychosomatic?
The black out was psychological. Don't worry, I've had black outs, too...
Eric
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