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Posted by AlexCanada on September 2, 2012, at 11:25:26
In reply to Lou's request-sitanbio » confused-in-TN, posted by Lou Pilder on September 1, 2012, at 20:21:59
Your spiritual solutions offer no help on a board in which people wish to discuss medication to treat very serious mental illness. The kinds which someone such as yourself could never comprehend.
> > > This is a copy and paste post from Lou which is typical many of this posts on this forum with very little original content.
> > >
> > > His ''solutions'' for even the most severe mental illnesses involve spirituality and quitting all medication.
> > >
> > > He is one of those whom feels the human brain is the only organ in our body which somehow cannot become sick.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > > Don 't know where to begin. My husband died unexpectly at home a year ago.(as in I found him dead after a brief seemingly minor illness.) Seemed to be doing well until the 1year mark at which point my panic disorder and depression came back full force (I have dealt with this problem for many years) but now I wake up in a cold sweat and cannot stand to be alone. (Which I am most of the time) I go to work come home and sit on the couch pretending to watch Tv. Not much of a life . Am on Xanax,propranalol and depakote (have been for years) . Anyone had a similar experience? Any ideas, advice, etc would be greatly apppreciated. Best to all.
> > > >
> > > > confused in TN,
> > > > You wrote,[...panic..depression..Am on Xanax..propranlol and depokote..(for years)...Any ideas, advice...?].
> > > > I could post here what could lead you out of the misery that you are in and you could have a new life. Yet today, I am prohibited by prohibitions posted to me here by Mr. Hsiung from posting how that could be accomplished.
> > > > There are people here that tell others to take a drug or discontinue a drug or up the dosage or down the dosage or combine drugs or go to therapy or take CBT or other things of the same.
> > > > But does not that type of advice imply that your prescriber, usually a psychiatrist/doctor, doesn;t know what they are doing to you? Realy, if they say to take another drug, why did not your doctor do that? And could not that type of advice be detrimantal to your health and possibly be a death sentence to you? I mean you could be a less-confident person and go out and get the drug that they say to take and die from the drug.
> > > > So what can one do for you here? There are many deaths here and IMHO a hard rain is going to fall. You see, the longer one takes mind-altering drugs, the greater the probability of death or a life-ruining condition. And then there is addiction if you want out of the hands of the drug world. And those hands can be very far-reaching and have a hold on you.
> > > > I ask for you to go to the admin board here and see years of outstanding requests from me to Mr Hsiung. I ask for you to read them and even post in those threads and then I could reply to you there. Then I could show you a way to be free.
> > > > Lou
> > > >
> > > >
> > > This post confuses and bothers me -Lou 's part that is. My problems are real and have both a situational and biological component at least I feel pretty sure of that. What I really like are some comments from people who may have been where I am. Best to all.
> > >
> >
> > confused in TN,
> You wrote,[...this post confuses and bothers me...my problems..both situational and biological..feel pretty sure...people who may have been....Best to all...].
> I am unsure as to what you are wanting to mean here. If you could post answers to the folowing, then I could have the opportunity to respond to you.
> A. What part of the post by me confuses you?
> B. What part of the post by me bothers you?
> C. What part of your problems are situational?
> D. What part are biological?
> E. Are you aware that I could have a great deal of knowlege about panic attacks?
> F. Are you aware that people taking Xanax could kill themselves if they stop the drug?
> G. Did your prescriber alert you to that Xanax could be addicting?
> H. Did your prescriber alert you to that there is a warning by the FDA that people taking Depakote could have increased suicidal thinking?
> K. Could you ask your psychiatist or other prescriber if he/she takes money from the drug companies?
> L. Are you aware that I could post here what could free you from the shakles of panic attacks and that Mr. Hsiung has posted to me a prohibitipon that concerns the foundation of Judaism as revealed to me that prohibits me from posting what I think could save your life and that you could have a new life healed of your problems?
> M redacted by respondent
> Lou
>
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Posted by AlexCanada on September 2, 2012, at 11:40:13
In reply to Lou's request-Dr Colin Ross, posted by Lou Pilder on September 2, 2012, at 10:33:51
"Friends".... I'd like to to view the countless youtube videos which show that anti-dep medications have saved peoples lives. Youtube is a form of media which Lou Pilder cherry picks his own anti-medication agenda. Yet ignores the countless evidence that people die on a daily basis due to not being treated.
Most of us are very aware that the pharma industry is filled with scandal and medications which cause serious side effects but the fact of the matter is that many of these medications are necessary to save lives. In the most serious cases these are the only medications which help people live something which resembles a normal life.
I would not be alive today without them. Lou Pilder's solution of religious therapy would have me in the morgue. Your posts LOU are extremely dangerous and you are very unaware of the harm you are causing on this forum. I would not be surprised in the least if some deaths have been caused by you alone via convincing others to ignore medication.
If it wasn't for the people on this board telling me I needed a real anti-dep rather than the St john's Wort and other mild treatments when I was poisoned/damaged at a young age and was dealing with absolute terror and didn't know what was going on then I would not be here still today.
It was people like you telling horror stories about medications which kept me from trying a real medication in the first place after all. People like you LOU would have killed someone like me. How many actually have? Due to your relentless postings? Have you ever stopped to think? No. It is beyond your comprehension to even consider that the human brain can become sick just like every other organ in the human body.
> > > I 'll try to answer your questions. Situational component...finding my husband dead at 5:00 a.m. after a 2week long seemingly minor illness.THat kicked up the anxiety and depression several clicks. Biological...20+ years of panic attacks, anxiety and depression along with a masters in physiological psychology that tells me this is due at least in part to a chemical imbalance. Yes my doc and I have discussed risks vs benefits of meds in great detail. My doses have never increased and keep me able to work, travel, etc. I. have taken depakote for 5+ years and even as bad as things are now I am not suicidal. Don 't doubt you understand panic attacks...but I think my situation is probably a little unique, as is everyones. I came looking for suggestions and insight and while you may have these answers you can ''t share what I got was a judgemental tone. Just my opinion.
> >
> > Friends,
> > If you are considering being a discussant in this thread, I am requesting that you view the following video.
> > To see this video:
> > A. Pull up Google
> > B. Type in:
> > [youtube, Truth about antidepressants & chemical imbalance, psychology]
> > the timr is 10 min posted on May 23 2008...there is a pic of a woman
>
> Friends,
> Along with the video above, I am requesting that you view thw following two videos.
> Lou
> To see these videos:
> A. Pull up Google.
> B. Type in:
> [youtube, Dr Colin Ross, corrina, Truth about mental disorders]
> This will have a pic of Dr Ross being interviewed by a woman...the time is 20 min posted on July 27 2012
> Then in the same page there is another video titled,[Insights into batman shooter James Holms]
> I would like for you to view that one because the psychiatrist, Dr Colin Ross, offers information that I would like interested members to view and in particular if you are considering being a discussant in this thread or parallel threads.
Posted by schleprock on September 2, 2012, at 12:04:51
In reply to Lou's request-Dr Colin Ross, posted by Lou Pilder on September 2, 2012, at 10:33:51
> > > I 'll try to answer your questions. Situational component...finding my husband dead at 5:00 a.m. after a 2week long seemingly minor illness.THat kicked up the anxiety and depression several clicks. Biological...20+ years of panic attacks, anxiety and depression along with a masters in physiological psychology that tells me this is due at least in part to a chemical imbalance. Yes my doc and I have discussed risks vs benefits of meds in great detail. My doses have never increased and keep me able to work, travel, etc. I. have taken depakote for 5+ years and even as bad as things are now I am not suicidal. Don 't doubt you understand panic attacks...but I think my situation is probably a little unique, as is everyones. I came looking for suggestions and insight and while you may have these answers you can ''t share what I got was a judgemental tone. Just my opinion.
> >
> > Friends,
> > If you are considering being a discussant in this thread, I am requesting that you view the following video.
> > To see this video:
> > A. Pull up Google
> > B. Type in:
> > [youtube, Truth about antidepressants & chemical imbalance, psychology]
> > the timr is 10 min posted on May 23 2008...there is a pic of a woman
>
> Friends,
> Along with the video above, I am requesting that you view thw following two videos.
> Lou
> To see these videos:
> A. Pull up Google.
> B. Type in:
> [youtube, Dr Colin Ross, corrina, Truth about mental disorders]
> This will have a pic of Dr Ross being interviewed by a woman...the time is 20 min posted on July 27 2012
> Then in the same page there is another video titled,[Insights into batman shooter James Holms]
> I would like for you to view that one because the psychiatrist, Dr Colin Ross, offers information that I would like interested members to view and in particular if you are considering being a discussant in this thread or parallel threads.I would also watch some of the massage therapy videos from the same channel.
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 2, 2012, at 12:59:53
In reply to Lou's request-Dr Colin Ross, posted by Lou Pilder on September 2, 2012, at 10:33:51
> > > I 'll try to answer your questions. Situational component...finding my husband dead at 5:00 a.m. after a 2week long seemingly minor illness.THat kicked up the anxiety and depression several clicks. Biological...20+ years of panic attacks, anxiety and depression along with a masters in physiological psychology that tells me this is due at least in part to a chemical imbalance. Yes my doc and I have discussed risks vs benefits of meds in great detail. My doses have never increased and keep me able to work, travel, etc. I. have taken depakote for 5+ years and even as bad as things are now I am not suicidal. Don 't doubt you understand panic attacks...but I think my situation is probably a little unique, as is everyones. I came looking for suggestions and insight and while you may have these answers you can ''t share what I got was a judgemental tone. Just my opinion.
> >
> > Friends,
> > If you are considering being a discussant in this thread, I am requesting that you view the following video.
> > To see this video:
> > A. Pull up Google
> > B. Type in:
> > [youtube, Truth about antidepressants & chemical imbalance, psychology]
> > the timr is 10 min posted on May 23 2008...there is a pic of a woman
>
> Friends,
> Along with the video above, I am requesting that you view thw following two videos.
> Lou
> To see these videos:
> A. Pull up Google.
> B. Type in:
> [youtube, Dr Colin Ross, corrina, Truth about mental disorders]
> This will have a pic of Dr Ross being interviewed by a woman...the time is 20 min posted on July 27 2012
> Then in the same page there is another video titled,[Insights into batman shooter James Holms]
> I would like for you to view that one because the psychiatrist, Dr Colin Ross, offers information that I would like interested members to view and in particular if you are considering being a discussant in this thread or parallel threads.Friends,
If you are considering being a discussant in this thread, I am requesting that you view the following video.
Lou
To see this video:
A. Pull up Google
B. Type in:
[youtube, Fight for kids: The Candace Downing story]
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 2, 2012, at 15:12:11
In reply to Lou's request-Candace, posted by Lou Pilder on September 2, 2012, at 12:59:53
> > > > I 'll try to answer your questions. Situational component...finding my husband dead at 5:00 a.m. after a 2week long seemingly minor illness.THat kicked up the anxiety and depression several clicks. Biological...20+ years of panic attacks, anxiety and depression along with a masters in physiological psychology that tells me this is due at least in part to a chemical imbalance. Yes my doc and I have discussed risks vs benefits of meds in great detail. My doses have never increased and keep me able to work, travel, etc. I. have taken depakote for 5+ years and even as bad as things are now I am not suicidal. Don 't doubt you understand panic attacks...but I think my situation is probably a little unique, as is everyones. I came looking for suggestions and insight and while you may have these answers you can ''t share what I got was a judgemental tone. Just my opinion.
> > >
> > > Friends,
> > > If you are considering being a discussant in this thread, I am requesting that you view the following video.
> > > To see this video:
> > > A. Pull up Google
> > > B. Type in:
> > > [youtube, Truth about antidepressants & chemical imbalance, psychology]
> > > the timr is 10 min posted on May 23 2008...there is a pic of a woman
> >
> > Friends,
> > Along with the video above, I am requesting that you view thw following two videos.
> > Lou
> > To see these videos:
> > A. Pull up Google.
> > B. Type in:
> > [youtube, Dr Colin Ross, corrina, Truth about mental disorders]
> > This will have a pic of Dr Ross being interviewed by a woman...the time is 20 min posted on July 27 2012
> > Then in the same page there is another video titled,[Insights into batman shooter James Holms]
> > I would like for you to view that one because the psychiatrist, Dr Colin Ross, offers information that I would like interested members to view and in particular if you are considering being a discussant in this thread or parallel threads.
>
> Friends,
> If you are considering being a discussant in this thread, I am requesting that you view the following video.
> Lou
> To see this video:
> A. Pull up Google
> B. Type in:
> [youtube, Fight for kids: The Candace Downing story]Friends,
If you are considering being a discussant in this thread,here is some more information that I would like for interested members to see.
Lou
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20110902/msgs/996166.html
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20110902/msgs/996161.html
Posted by schleprock on September 2, 2012, at 15:58:04
In reply to Lou's request-Candace, posted by Lou Pilder on September 2, 2012, at 12:59:53
Friends,
If you are considering being a discussant in this thread, I am requesting that you view the following video.
schleprock
To see this video:
A. Pull up Google
B. Type in:
[youtube, We're not candy Singing Pills, This is serious]
Posted by confused-in-TN on September 3, 2012, at 0:18:12
In reply to Re: Lou's request-Candace, posted by schleprock on September 2, 2012, at 15:58:04
> Lou, watched the you tube videos. Sorry, didn't. change my mind. You asked me a bunch of questions and I did my best to answer. Why can 't you comment beck to me directly and pick up where we left off? Otherwise I feel like am left out in the cold so yo speak. Just observing jousting between Lou and others. If someone else could speak to my questions and concerns I 'd really appreciate it. Genes and chemical imbalances are not b.s. or conspiracy theories. Did lots of work with monkeys and serotonin, etc. Data was fairly clear and no drug companies were involved. Just have a sad, anxious person here who would like some real feedback. Good wishes to all.
Posted by brynb on September 3, 2012, at 0:49:08
In reply to major depression and anxiety has taken hold hard, posted by confused-in-TN on August 31, 2012, at 10:22:21
Hi Confused,
Sorry you're going through such a tough time. It sounds like your mood disorder and anxiety are being triggered by the circumstances in your life. Stress and negative events impact me greatly, serving as a reminder of the greater picture (depression) and the fragility of my mind that lurks beneath the surface.
Perhaps you need to take some time to process your husband's passing; my sister's first husband passed away unexpectedly in his sleep at just 39 years old, and this was (obviously) extremely traumatizing. Are you going to therapy (or any type of life coaching/healing/talk sessions)?
Also, have you tried SRIs for your anxiety and depression (to go with your current med regimen)? My anxiety and (to some degree) depression responds well to Lexapro, which I take with Lithium and Tramadol. As you've been struggling for so many years, I'm sure you've tried the gamut of ADs, but maybe you can revisit and see if any can help with GAD/depression this time around.
Good luck,
b
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 3, 2012, at 6:20:54
In reply to Re: Lou's request-Candace, posted by confused-in-TN on September 3, 2012, at 0:18:12
> > Lou, watched the you tube videos. Sorry, didn't. change my mind. You asked me a bunch of questions and I did my best to answer. Why can 't you comment beck to me directly and pick up where we left off? Otherwise I feel like am left out in the cold so yo speak. Just observing jousting between Lou and others. If someone else could speak to my questions and concerns I 'd really appreciate it. Genes and chemical imbalances are not b.s. or conspiracy theories. Did lots of work with monkeys and serotonin, etc. Data was fairly clear and no drug companies were involved. Just have a sad, anxious person here who would like some real feedback. Good wishes to all.
confuse in TN,
You wrote,[...Why can't you...?].
Be advised that there are many prohibitions posted to me here from Mr. Hsiung. These prohibitions prevent me from responding to members here in the way that I would like to so that I could respond directly to members, but I can't due to the prohibitions to me here.
One collection of prohibitions involve posting links to articles or even posts from here. Another collection of prohibitions involve the posting of historical facts. Now this prohibition prevents me from posting a cleaer picture of the development of psychotropic drugs and the relationship between psychiatry and (redacted by respondent). But it is much more than that. You see, the prohibitions could be part of what a NY Times writer said was that Mr Hsiung was a "mastermind". But do you know what people in history were also called "masterminds"? And what good for the community as a whole will it be by prohibiting me from posting educational material concerning the development of mind-altering drugs? Is not support something that arises out of knowlege? And is not this site for support and education?
You see, I would very much like to have dialog with you here for I can see what IMHO could save your life or prevent you from getting a life-ruining condition/addiction. But the prohibitions to me here from Mr Hsiung prevent me from responding with what I need to contribute to the discussion with you.
Another of the prohibitions deals with the foundation of Judaism as revealed to me. I am prohibited from posting that and with that prohibition, most of what I want to post that could have the potential IMHO to free you from the misery that you post about, is also prohibited by Mr. Hsiung here.
Now there are more prohibitions that prevent me from answering those here that post things about me. If you go to the admin board here, you could see years of outstanding requests from me to Mr. Hsiung. Now if you have concerns about what you read there, if you do read there, that might give you more insight as to what support means according to Mr. Hsiung. And then you could see how as a Jew here, there is the potential IMO that I could become a victim of antisemitic violence, and other Jews could be targets to murder by a person in a mind-altered state induced by psychotropic drugs that was in a community that made Jews out to be thought (falsely) to be inferior to those that accepted (redacted by respondent) as what they say the christiandom bible says.
So I am prohibited in ways that prevent me from having direct dialog here in some cases. Now it is my great conviction that lives could be saved if those prohibitions to me here by Mr. Hsiung were never made to me.
Lou
Posted by confused-in-TN on September 3, 2012, at 8:19:55
In reply to Lou's reply-nhvrmheyd » confused-in-TN, posted by Lou Pilder on September 3, 2012, at 6:20:54
Lou, we are not on the same page and don 't think we ever will be. My life is not in danger from my meds,I am not hopelessly addicted, I don 't think there is a vast conspiracy out there trying to harm me. I think I am a person with a mood disorder and anxiety/panic disorder who has had a really bad year and my symptoms are therefore worse. Have you actually read my previous posts? I wish you all the best, but hope to hear from someone else out there who might relate a little more.
Posted by schleprock on September 3, 2012, at 11:21:41
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-nhvrmheyd, posted by confused-in-TN on September 3, 2012, at 8:19:55
FYI Lou used the word "prohibitions" 10 times in that last post.
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 3, 2012, at 11:31:17
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-nhvrmheyd, posted by confused-in-TN on September 3, 2012, at 8:19:55
> Lou, we are not on the same page and don 't think we ever will be. My life is not in danger from my meds,I am not hopelessly addicted, I don 't think there is a vast conspiracy out there trying to harm me. I think I am a person with a mood disorder and anxiety/panic disorder who has had a really bad year and my symptoms are therefore worse. Have you actually read my previous posts? I wish you all the best, but hope to hear from someone else out there who might relate a little more.
confused in TN,You wrote
[...read my previous posts?...].
I have done so and I see that you are taking Xanax for a period of time so that there could be an addiction to the drug.
Now people can think that to avoid withdrawal one could take the drug for life. But are there adverse effects that arise with long-term usage of the drug?
The answer is that there could be. The drug has the potential to induce a mind-altered state inn long-term usage to compel the taker of the drug to kill themselves. Some of those suicides are in the withdrawal period. Xanax is listed in some lists as being in the top ten most addictive drugs. It is a benzodiazepine which I intended to do an exposition on but was stopped by Mr Hsiungvia a posted prohibition by him to me here. You could see where this happened here by going to the bottom og this page where I posted how to do a search to find out concerning another poster.
You see, I have studied benzene and know what could be unbeknownst to some here and if they were allowed to know what I know, I think that lives could be saved, life-ruining conditions could be avoided and addictions could be avoided.
So if you ever stop taking Xanax, you could find yourself in a place where others have been and have posted about, as being horrific. Then you could go the way of human achievement to try to get out of the withdraswal or something else.
Now where I come in here is that I agree that we are not on the same page, now. But that doesn't mean that we could not be on the same page later.
So you could get responses here from people that are on the same page. And your worsened symptoms could be a subjuect of discussion as to how to deal with them. But what is the title of that page or what is the content of that page as to that my page is not your page?
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 3, 2012, at 11:35:21
In reply to Lou's reply-huzpheyj » confused-in-TN, posted by Lou Pilder on September 3, 2012, at 11:31:17
> > Lou, we are not on the same page and don 't think we ever will be. My life is not in danger from my meds,I am not hopelessly addicted, I don 't think there is a vast conspiracy out there trying to harm me. I think I am a person with a mood disorder and anxiety/panic disorder who has had a really bad year and my symptoms are therefore worse. Have you actually read my previous posts? I wish you all the best, but hope to hear from someone else out there who might relate a little more.
>
> confused in TN,You wrote
> [...read my previous posts?...].
> I have done so and I see that you are taking Xanax for a period of time so that there could be an addiction to the drug.
> Now people can think that to avoid withdrawal one could take the drug for life. But are there adverse effects that arise with long-term usage of the drug?
> The answer is that there could be. The drug has the potential to induce a mind-altered state inn long-term usage to compel the taker of the drug to kill themselves. Some of those suicides are in the withdrawal period. Xanax is listed in some lists as being in the top ten most addictive drugs. It is a benzodiazepine which I intended to do an exposition on but was stopped by Mr Hsiungvia a posted prohibition by him to me here. You could see where this happened here by going to the bottom og this page where I posted how to do a search to find out concerning another poster.
> You see, I have studied benzene and know what could be unbeknownst to some here and if they were allowed to know what I know, I think that lives could be saved, life-ruining conditions could be avoided and addictions could be avoided.
> So if you ever stop taking Xanax, you could find yourself in a place where others have been and have posted about, as being horrific. Then you could go the way of human achievement to try to get out of the withdraswal or something else.
> Now where I come in here is that I agree that we are not on the same page, now. But that doesn't mean that we could not be on the same page later.
> So you could get responses here from people that are on the same page. And your worsened symptoms could be a subjuect of discussion as to how to deal with them. But what is the title of that page or what is the content of that page as to that my page is not your page?
> Lou
>
> http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/xanax/suicidal+ideation
Posted by confused-in-TN on September 3, 2012, at 15:59:55
In reply to Lou's reply-xanaxsuicide, posted by Lou Pilder on September 3, 2012, at 11:35:21
Lou, I apprrecite your concern about medications, but you seem a little obsessed. If you don 't approve/believe in their use and or effectiveness that 's certainly your right. But why are you seemingly intent on trying to scare people out of trying something that could help? As someone posting on this thread said, you seem to think the brain is the only organ that can 't get sick. Don 't want to come across as judgemental, but if you are so Anti - medication, why do you post so much on the medication portion of this site? Best wishes to you, honestly.
Posted by schleprock on September 3, 2012, at 16:12:08
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-xanaxsuicide, posted by confused-in-TN on September 3, 2012, at 15:59:55
Actually, I believe that Lou's posts present some compelling evidence regarding why some people ought to STAY on their meds.
Posted by confused-in-TN on September 3, 2012, at 16:19:33
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-xanaxsuicide » confused-in-TN, posted by schleprock on September 3, 2012, at 16:12:08
> Actually, I believe that Lou's posts present some compelling evidence regarding why some people ought to STAY on their meds.
>you made me laugh for the first time today! Thanks!
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 3, 2012, at 16:56:44
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-xanaxsuicide, posted by confused-in-TN on September 3, 2012, at 15:59:55
> Lou, I apprrecite your concern about medications, but you seem a little obsessed. If you don 't approve/believe in their use and or effectiveness that 's certainly your right. But why are you seemingly intent on trying to scare people out of trying something that could help? As someone posting on this thread said, you seem to think the brain is the only organ that can 't get sick. Don 't want to come across as judgemental, but if you are so Anti - medication, why do you post so much on the medication portion of this site? Best wishes to you, honestly.
confused in TN,
You wrote,[...trying to scare people out of trying something that could help...so Anti-medication...why do you post (here on the medication board)...?].
The forum is for support and education. Support is not the same as {reinforcement}. Education iMHO can bring a new life, free from addiction and depression. You see, I know what causes depression and how one can make depression flee from them. and I know that psychotropic drugs can cause depression (see link at bottom). Not only that, but the drugs can cause one to kill themselves and/or others and even cause one to commit mass-murder.
Now for people to try to come out of depression by taking a drug that can cause depression doesn't seem logical to me. And to tell someone that is suicidal to take a drug that can increase suicidal thinking is not logical to me.
I am not Anti-medication, I am anti-death. I want the children to live and parents can read here to make a more informed decision as to drug their son, their daughter, or not, by reading what I post as well as the posts here by those advocating mind-altering drugs to be used. So I am a children's advocate by attempting to educate the parents that read here concerning what these drugs can do to their child.
Then there is the aspect that posts here that can arouse antisemitic feelings could be seen by some as being supportive. This could IMHO be dangerous to Jews as they could become victims of antisemitic violence as people reading could think that Jews are inferior and be targeted for murder by one that is in a drug-induced murderous rampage. You see, I know how these drugs induce homocidal thinking and how when one is in a community that permits statements that could arouse antsemitic feelings as being supportive, and members take the drugs, then they could think that they are doing what could be good for the community by harming or even murdering a Jew. The harm could be psychological or emotional harm inflicted toward them by ridicule, defamation, taunting and mocking and other bullying tactics. If you view the admin board here, you could post there to continue a discussion in relation to that.
So by me offering educational material, of which a lot is prohibited to me to post here by Mr Hsiung, I could have a hand in attempting to stop those that accept those type of statements here as being supportive, for Mr Hsiung states that support takes precedence here. Support for what? You can see an example of this by going to the search box at the bottom of this page and type in[admin, 428781] you will see Lou's request to Dr Hsiung in the first 6 or so posts that come up and the 428781 is in the colord strip
Lou
here is the link that shows that xanax can cause depression
http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/xanax/depression
Posted by confused-in-TN on September 3, 2012, at 22:16:03
In reply to Lou's reply-partial » confused-in-TN, posted by Lou Pilder on September 3, 2012, at 16:56:44
> > Lou, I apprrecite your concern about medications, but you seem a little obsessed. If you don 't approve/believe in their use and or effectiveness that 's certainly your right. But why are you seemingly intent on trying to scare people out of trying something that could help? As someone posting on this thread said, you seem to think the brain is the only organ that can 't get sick. Don 't want to come across as judgemental, but if you are so Anti - medication, why do you post so much on the medication portion of this site? Best wishes to you, honestly.
>
> confused in TN,
> You wrote,[...trying to scare people out of trying something that could help...so Anti-medication...why do you post (here on the medication board)...?].
> The forum is for support and education. Support is not the same as {reinforcement}. Education iMHO can bring a new life, free from addiction and depression. You see, I know what causes depression and how one can make depression flee from them. and I know that psychotropic drugs can cause depression (see link at bottom). Not only that, but the drugs can cause one to kill themselves and/or others and even cause one to commit mass-murder.
> Now for people to try to come out of depression by taking a drug that can cause depression doesn't seem logical to me. And to tell someone that is suicidal to take a drug that can increase suicidal thinking is not logical to me.
> I am not Anti-medication, I am anti-death. I want the children to live and parents can read here to make a more informed decision as to drug their son, their daughter, or not, by reading what I post as well as the posts here by those advocating mind-altering drugs to be used. So I am a children's advocate by attempting to educate the parents that read here concerning what these drugs can do to their child.
> Then there is the aspect that posts here that can arouse antisemitic feelings could be seen by some as being supportive. This could IMHO be dangerous to Jews as they could become victims of antisemitic violence as people reading could think that Jews are inferior and be targeted for murder by one that is in a drug-induced murderous rampage. You see, I know how these drugs induce homocidal thinking and how when one is in a community that permits statements that could arouse antsemitic feelings as being supportive, and members take the drugs, then they could think that they are doing what could be good for the community by harming or even murdering a Jew. The harm could be psychological or emotional harm inflicted toward them by ridicule, defamation, taunting and mocking and other bullying tactics. If you view the admin board here, you could post there to continue a discussion in relation to that.
> So by me offering educational material, of which a lot is prohibited to me to post here by Mr Hsiung, I could have a hand in attempting to stop those that accept those type of statements here as being supportive, for Mr Hsiung states that support takes precedence here. Support for what? You can see an example of this by going to the search box at the bottom of this page and type in[admin, 428781] you will see Lou's request to Dr Hsiung in the first 6 or so posts that come up and the 428781 is in the colord strip
> Lou
> here is the link that shows that xanax can cause depression
> http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/xanax/depression
> Lou, you lost me on this one. Psychotropic drugs are dangerous because people will become antisemites land go on murderous rampages!?. Surely you don 't really believe that. Please take this the right way when I say I think you need some help other than what you might be getting. I mean no disrespect.
Posted by Willful on September 4, 2012, at 0:32:32
In reply to Lou's reply-partial » confused-in-TN, posted by Lou Pilder on September 3, 2012, at 16:56:44
Lou, could you just move on.
Obviously your "help" is not helping here. You are just putting a burden onto someone who is already coping with the realization she's suffering from a permanent loss-- and that she's going to have to go forward alone.
Could you please have the decency to leave this thread with a little grace and kindness, rather than to continuing your barrage?
There are people here who may be able to offer some real support and response.
So kindly let that happen without interference.
Posted by confused-in-TN on September 4, 2012, at 4:43:31
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-partial, posted by Willful on September 4, 2012, at 0:32:32
> Lou, could you just move on.
>
> Obviously your "help" is not helping here. You are just putting a burden onto someone who is already coping with the realization she's suffering from a permanent loss-- and that she's going to have to go forward alone.
>
> Could you please have the decency to leave this thread with a little grace and kindness, rather than to continuing your barrage?
>
> There are people here who may be able to offer some real support and response.
>
> So kindly let that happen without interference.
>
> Thanks for stepping in. The verbal sparring was getting
tiring. My life is upsidedown and I could use helpful comments. This stuff (anxiety and depression) were hard to take with a partner....alone is really bad. Thanks again.
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 4, 2012, at 5:49:29
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-partial, posted by confused-in-TN on September 3, 2012, at 22:16:03
> > > Lou, I apprrecite your concern about medications, but you seem a little obsessed. If you don 't approve/believe in their use and or effectiveness that 's certainly your right. But why are you seemingly intent on trying to scare people out of trying something that could help? As someone posting on this thread said, you seem to think the brain is the only organ that can 't get sick. Don 't want to come across as judgemental, but if you are so Anti - medication, why do you post so much on the medication portion of this site? Best wishes to you, honestly.
> >
> > confused in TN,
> > You wrote,[...trying to scare people out of trying something that could help...so Anti-medication...why do you post (here on the medication board)...?].
> > The forum is for support and education. Support is not the same as {reinforcement}. Education iMHO can bring a new life, free from addiction and depression. You see, I know what causes depression and how one can make depression flee from them. and I know that psychotropic drugs can cause depression (see link at bottom). Not only that, but the drugs can cause one to kill themselves and/or others and even cause one to commit mass-murder.
> > Now for people to try to come out of depression by taking a drug that can cause depression doesn't seem logical to me. And to tell someone that is suicidal to take a drug that can increase suicidal thinking is not logical to me.
> > I am not Anti-medication, I am anti-death. I want the children to live and parents can read here to make a more informed decision as to drug their son, their daughter, or not, by reading what I post as well as the posts here by those advocating mind-altering drugs to be used. So I am a children's advocate by attempting to educate the parents that read here concerning what these drugs can do to their child.
> > Then there is the aspect that posts here that can arouse antisemitic feelings could be seen by some as being supportive. This could IMHO be dangerous to Jews as they could become victims of antisemitic violence as people reading could think that Jews are inferior and be targeted for murder by one that is in a drug-induced murderous rampage. You see, I know how these drugs induce homocidal thinking and how when one is in a community that permits statements that could arouse antsemitic feelings as being supportive, and members take the drugs, then they could think that they are doing what could be good for the community by harming or even murdering a Jew. The harm could be psychological or emotional harm inflicted toward them by ridicule, defamation, taunting and mocking and other bullying tactics. If you view the admin board here, you could post there to continue a discussion in relation to that.
> > So by me offering educational material, of which a lot is prohibited to me to post here by Mr Hsiung, I could have a hand in attempting to stop those that accept those type of statements here as being supportive, for Mr Hsiung states that support takes precedence here. Support for what? You can see an example of this by going to the search box at the bottom of this page and type in[admin, 428781] you will see Lou's request to Dr Hsiung in the first 6 or so posts that come up and the 428781 is in the colord strip
> > Lou
> > here is the link that shows that xanax can cause depression
> > http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/xanax/depression
> > Lou, you lost me on this one. Psychotropic drugs are dangerous because people will become antisemites land go on murderous rampages!?. Surely you don 't really believe that. Please take this the right way when I say I think you need some help other than what you might be getting. I mean no disrespect.
>
> confused in TN,
You wrote,[...Psychotropic drugs are dangerous because people will become antisemities and go on murderous rampages?....].
What is that we have here is what it is. It is a {community} governed and enforced by a {community leader} and his deputies. When in a community, the community members can be controlled in their thinking by the administration of the community. The administartive leaders and deputies can controll the content by sanctioning or not what is promulgated and thearby foster a type of thinking that the administartion wants to preveail. This can be done by force, fear and intimidation, just to use one historical tactic type. There are other ways besides that to controll the thought of community members. One can read how slavery was established and how those opposed reacted. Segregation is another topic in the historical record used to control community members.
Now once the community members are controlled by the administration by whatever tactics used, then the community members could think that they will be doing good if they carry out the wishes of the community leaders. This happened way before 1933 and continues after 1945.
Now you may have a better understnding here of whats goin' on if you read the following.
Lou
Here the community leader and his deputies make what to me is a {pledge} to controll the content by having a policy. But what can happen when the community leaders do not live up to their word to follow their own policy? If you could spend some time looking at my outstanding requests on the admin board here, you could have further insight concerning this and if not you could post any requests for clarification there so that I could respond to you there.
Here is a link concerning my outstanding requests to Mr Hsiung and his stated policy.
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20061018/msgs/699224.html
if this is the incorrect link, try
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20061018/msgs/699224.html
But let us go onj. In order to undertsnad what some of my concerns are here you may need to do a search on what is known as {anti-Judaism}
But here is a link that explains how one aspect of anti-Judaism was acted out in 1492.
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20020627/msgs/6423.html
and then,
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20060802/msgs/678024.html
Now this is just a small part of how communities can arouse antisemitic feelings. I am prohibited here by the nature of prohibitions posted to me by Mr Hsiung to show you the depth of this here and how IMHO Jews could be in danger of being victims of antisemitic violence, be it physical or psychologically or emotionally. You see, when the content is controlled here, and support is supposed to take precedence, then what is left as a fire to burn because statements that could arouse antisemitic feelings are allowed to stand, then at least IMHO the less-confident member could think that what is left unsanctioned is supportive and will be good for the community as a whole becuae Mr. Hsiung states that he does what in his thinking will be good for the community as a whole, and to try to trust him. Do you know who also said that?
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/2012228/msgs/1020581.html
Posted by SLS on September 4, 2012, at 5:51:02
In reply to Lou's reply-partial » confused-in-TN, posted by Lou Pilder on September 3, 2012, at 16:56:44
Lou, you manage to make your position well described in a single post. I believe that your posts along this thread would be judged as uncivil were this forum to be actively moderated, as they represent overgeneralizations and exaggerations. Not only that, they are factually wrong, as I have demonstrated in the past. Your posts are repetitious and redundant. You did a great job of describing your position in a single post. I would offer that you take these things into consideration before posting again along this thread.
Of course, you know that I think your citations taken from http://www.ehealthme.com contain spurious statements and unsubstantiated numbers that are presented as objectives statistics. I have demonstrated this in the past, too. Taken in total, I find this website to be dedicated to deception so as to further what I interpret as an agenda to discourage people from utilizing medicinal treatments.
- Scott
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 4, 2012, at 6:35:35
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-partial » Lou Pilder, posted by SLS on September 4, 2012, at 5:51:02
> Lou, you manage to make your position well described in a single post. I believe that your posts along this thread would be judged as uncivil were this forum to be actively moderated, as they represent overgeneralizations and exaggerations. Not only that, they are factually wrong, as I have demonstrated in the past. Your posts are repetitious and redundant. You did a great job of describing your position in a single post. I would offer that you take these things into consideration before posting again along this thread.
>
> Of course, you know that I think your citations taken from http://www.ehealthme.com contain spurious statements and unsubstantiated numbers that are presented as objectives statistics. I have demonstrated this in the past, too. Taken in total, I find this website to be dedicated to deception so as to further what I interpret as an agenda to discourage people from utilizing medicinal treatments.
>
>
> - ScottScott,
You wrote about the website, ehealthme.
Here is their home page that describes {about us}. The page lists those that endorse the site including the Mayo Clinic. The statement concerning their mission is there and how they do what they do.
Now I have a great knowlege of statistics. In fact, my knowlege here could be way beyond anyone elses' knowlege here concerning how statistics are used and collected. I have taken graduate statistics and have a great appreciation for what the site owners have done with their site.
You may have to answer to their lawyers for what you wrote here about them.
I am asking Mr. Hsiung, if he reads this, to delete your statements about the site, ehealthme. They can not know of what you wrote here about them and thearfore can not post a response to you, but someone may forward to them what you wrote about them.
Lou
http://www.ehealthme.com/aboutus/#citation
Posted by SLS on September 4, 2012, at 7:09:31
In reply to Lou's reply-dhepham » SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on September 4, 2012, at 6:35:35
> I am asking Mr. Hsiung, if he reads this, to delete your statements about the site, ehealthme.
Am I less priveleged to voice an opinion than are you?I have NEVER asked that any of your posts be deleted.
Please post for me a statistic published on ehealthme that represents a rate of occurrence of the effects they list. Don't you think that this should be within the capabilities of the statisticians on that website? As the most accomplished statistician on Psycho-Babble, I'm sure you can appreciate the desirability of such a statistic. I'm surprised you missed this oversight.
- Scott
Posted by zazenducke on September 4, 2012, at 7:17:49
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-dhepham » Lou Pilder, posted by SLS on September 4, 2012, at 7:09:31
you seemed to have lost the plot
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