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Posted by Lou Pilder on March 24, 2012, at 5:34:13
In reply to Lou's request-whunnahphul » Twinleaf, posted by Lou Pilder on March 24, 2012, at 5:04:34
> > I wanted to pause in a busy day to tell you how much genuine support and happiness your thoughts have given me.
> >
> > I also want to say that it is beyond thrilling that you are finding a solution to the severe depression which has plagued you for three decades. It is such a wonderful example to everyone - you never gave up through many, many complex medication trials and countless heartbreaking weak successes and severe failures. I do hope that, as you feel better, you will still post here. You have an incomparable knowledge of medications; even though I think I have an excellent pdoc, you definitely put him in the shade!
> >
> > I hope you live to 102, and feel 22 every single minute of it!
>
> Tl,
> You wrote,[...finding a solution to the severe depression which has plagued you for three decades. It is such a {wonderful example} to {everyone}...many many complex medication trials and countless heartbreaking weak successes and severe failures. You have an incomperable knowledge of medications...].
> I am unsure as to what you are wanting to mean here. If you could post answers here to the following, then I could have the opportunity to post responses here to whatever you post.
> A. What do you mean by the phrase {finding a solution to severe depression}?
> B. What criteria do you use, if any, to state that it is a {wonderful example} for someone to go 30 years on psychotropic drugs to be {finding a solution}?
> C. Since you cite {heartbreaking weak successes} and {severe failures}, then could, let's say, a middle school child reading this here think that if they take psychotropic drugs for 30 years they could have {heartbreaking weak successes} and {severe failures} and that could be {beyond thrilling}? If so, how could that be a {wonderful example} to them?
> D. If you think that is a wonderful example, are you aware that along the way when children take mind-altering drugs they could have a mind-altered state induced into them by the drug(s) to want to kill themselves and/or others? If so, could not 30 years of druggin' lead some to think that it is {OK} to take psychotropic drugs for 30 years and have severe failures and heartbreaking weak successes?
> E. Could it be possible, that if children are not put on psychotropic drugs innitially, that they could escape 30 years of druggin' to overcome whatever it is that they were put on these drugs by another means so that they would not be subjected to death or cause the death of another, or have a life-ruining condition or addiction from these drugs? Do you know how many children have killed themselves while on these drugs and then did not go 30 years druggin'?
> F. If it takes 30 years of druggin' for someone just to feel better, and along the way one could get Tardive Dyskinesia, heart attack, serotonin syndrome, diabetes, liver failure, kidney failure, brain damage and a host of other life-ruining conditions or addiction and even worse depression, is that an example that you want to promulgate here that you think is {wonderful} for children to consider? If so, why?
> G. (redacted by respondent)
> LouFriends,
If you are considering being a discussant in tthis thread, I am requesting that you view the following.
Lou
To view this video:
A. Pull up Google
B. Type in:
[you tube, In Memoriam (Victims of Antidepressants/Psychiatric Drugs)
Posted by Twinleaf on March 24, 2012, at 6:33:10
In reply to Lou's request-wnnerphulfoarevrywun?, posted by Lou Pilder on March 24, 2012, at 5:34:13
Lou,, I am appalled to see your extreme, inappropriate remarks on my thread. Please create your own thread for any remarks you wish to make from now on.
Posted by SLS on March 24, 2012, at 6:45:25
In reply to For Scott, posted by Twinleaf on March 23, 2012, at 14:01:07
> I wanted to pause in a busy day to tell you how much genuine support and happiness your thoughts have given me.
>
> I also want to say that it is beyond thrilling that you are finding a solution to the severe depression which has plagued you for three decades. It is such a wonderful example to everyone - you never gave up through many, many complex medication trials and countless heartbreaking weak successes and severe failures. I do hope that, as you feel better, you will still post here. You have an incomparable knowledge of medications; even though I think I have an excellent pdoc, you definitely put him in the shade!
>
> I hope you live to 102, and feel 22 every single minute of it!
You are sweet.Thank you for taking the time to post this. It moved me. I don't know what else to say. I am trying to find the words to demonstrate how important your words are to me, but I am at a loss. I think the one word that comes to mind is "affirming". You made me feel at peace with myself. Of course, you did a good job of boosting my self-esteem as well.
You are extraordinary.
Thank you.
- Scott
Posted by Emily Elizabeth on March 24, 2012, at 8:10:31
In reply to Re: For Scott » Twinleaf, posted by SLS on March 24, 2012, at 6:45:25
Twin leaf is saying what so many of us feel!
Best,
EE
Posted by SLS on March 24, 2012, at 8:47:34
In reply to Re: For Scott » SLS, posted by Emily Elizabeth on March 24, 2012, at 8:10:31
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 24, 2012, at 9:15:32
In reply to Lou's request-tupstahn » Emily Elizabeth, posted by Lou Pilder on March 24, 2012, at 8:30:34
> > Twin leaf is saying what so many of us feel!
> >
> > Best,
> > EE
>
> EE,
> You wrote,[...is saying what so many of us feel...].
> I am unsure as to what you are wanting to mean here. If you could post answers to the following, then I could have the oportunity to respond accordingy.
> A. Are you wanting to mean that if many {feel} something, that what is felt is true?
> B. If so, if many in a community {feel} that slavery would be good for the community as a whole, then could slavery be established in that community?
> C. If many in a community {feel} that the earth is flat, does that mean that those that think that the earth is round can be expelled from the community?
> D. Being that this community is for support and education, if only one point of view is allowed, could that prevent others from having their lives saved, or prevent a life-ruining condition or addiction if one point of view is not allowed that could save lives and prevent life-ruining conditions or addiction?
> E. In relation to how these {feelings} are gotten into the minds of members here, could not the allowing of statements here by Mr Hsiung that have the potential IMHO to arouse antisemitic feelings contribute in some way to that members here have those feelings about me as a Jew here? If not, (redacted by respondent).
> F. If you could look at the posts by me on the administrative board here, could there be an indoctrination goin' on here that could lead some to think that there acould be two standards here?
> G. If there are two standards here, one allowing statements that could arouse antisemitic feelings and antisemitic feelings toward me as a Jew here, how could that be good for this community as a whole or be supportive?
> F. (redacted by respondent)
> LouEE,
You wrote that many here feel what another poster wrote about me as to what I had posted here. Now you are affirming, that as I see it, that {many} [feel] the same.
Now these feelings could come from what is allowed to stand by Mr. Hsiung, his deputy now, his previous deputies and members past and present, that have posted derogatory and dehumanizing statements toward Jews here, that have posted statements that could arouse antisemitic feelings, have posted statements that could subject me to the potential of being a victim of antisemitic violence, and could support hatred toward Jews that could lead to the murder of Jews and others that reject the claim here that is allowed to stand as being supportive unless Mr. Hsiung posts in the thread otherwise because Mr. Hsiung states that support takes precedence and that he does what in his thinking will be good for this community as a whole and to try to trust him in that.
Now here is a post from here that I am awaiting a reply from Mr. Hsiung that if he does reply, I think that it could go a long way to preventing Jews from being murdered. I am wondering that if you feel the same about what I have posted here in question, could you look at this post and see if there is the potential for Jews to be accused/put down by what is in the post that is allowed to stand and if the post could arouse antisemitic feelings toward me here that could be transferred into posts here that defame me that are being allowed to stand here?
Lou
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20110117/msgs/1002372.html
Posted by Phillipa on March 24, 2012, at 9:58:52
In reply to Lou's request-dhephahm, posted by Lou Pilder on March 24, 2012, at 9:15:32
Scott I just wanted to add how happy I am also for you. And certainly agree with Twinleaf's And Emily Elizabeth's Best wishes also. Phillipa
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 24, 2012, at 10:01:29
In reply to Lou's request-dhephahm, posted by Lou Pilder on March 24, 2012, at 9:15:32
> > > Twin leaf is saying what so many of us feel!
> > >
> > > Best,
> > > EE
> >
> > EE,
> > You wrote,[...is saying what so many of us feel...].
> > I am unsure as to what you are wanting to mean here. If you could post answers to the following, then I could have the oportunity to respond accordingy.
> > A. Are you wanting to mean that if many {feel} something, that what is felt is true?
> > B. If so, if many in a community {feel} that slavery would be good for the community as a whole, then could slavery be established in that community?
> > C. If many in a community {feel} that the earth is flat, does that mean that those that think that the earth is round can be expelled from the community?
> > D. Being that this community is for support and education, if only one point of view is allowed, could that prevent others from having their lives saved, or prevent a life-ruining condition or addiction if one point of view is not allowed that could save lives and prevent life-ruining conditions or addiction?
> > E. In relation to how these {feelings} are gotten into the minds of members here, could not the allowing of statements here by Mr Hsiung that have the potential IMHO to arouse antisemitic feelings contribute in some way to that members here have those feelings about me as a Jew here? If not, (redacted by respondent).
> > F. If you could look at the posts by me on the administrative board here, could there be an indoctrination goin' on here that could lead some to think that there acould be two standards here?
> > G. If there are two standards here, one allowing statements that could arouse antisemitic feelings and antisemitic feelings toward me as a Jew here, how could that be good for this community as a whole or be supportive?
> > F. (redacted by respondent)
> > Lou
>
> EE,
> You wrote that many here feel what another poster wrote about me as to what I had posted here. Now you are affirming, that as I see it, that {many} [feel] the same.
> Now these feelings could come from what is allowed to stand by Mr. Hsiung, his deputy now, his previous deputies and members past and present, that have posted derogatory and dehumanizing statements toward Jews here, that have posted statements that could arouse antisemitic feelings, have posted statements that could subject me to the potential of being a victim of antisemitic violence, and could support hatred toward Jews that could lead to the murder of Jews and others that reject the claim here that is allowed to stand as being supportive unless Mr. Hsiung posts in the thread otherwise because Mr. Hsiung states that support takes precedence and that he does what in his thinking will be good for this community as a whole and to try to trust him in that.
> Now here is a post from here that I am awaiting a reply from Mr. Hsiung that if he does reply, I think that it could go a long way to preventing Jews from being murdered. I am wondering that if you feel the same about what I have posted here in question, could you look at this post and see if there is the potential for Jews to be accused/put down by what is in the post that is allowed to stand and if the post could arouse antisemitic feelings toward me here that could be transferred into posts here that defame me that are being allowed to stand here?
> Lou
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20110117/msgs/1002372.htmlEE,
You wrote what you wrote. Here is a post from here and I am requesting that if you are interested in this situation here and want to know more about this ongoing allowing of defamation toward me here, that you read the following. This post allows dehumanizing statements toward Jews to stand, for there was not any sanction to the statements that can be seen now. In fact, there was a rule previously to not post a link to what has antisemitic content. What happened here in this link, there is another prohibition to me by Mr. Hsiung that prohibits me from posting that. But can you understand that by Mr. Hsiung allowing the statements to stand, that there could be {feelings} about Jews that a psychiatrists allows to stand without doing what he says is to prevent a forest fire because one match could start a forest fire as he states here in his thinking? Well, if one match could start a forest fire, could not the one that puts out the matches allow ones to burn that could start a forest fire? You see, there is another prohibition to me here by Mr. Hsiung that prevents me from posting what I could post that could put out the fire, so it burns and could still be burning because the statement could be in another site as typed before the modification. You could email me if you like to learn more about this.
Lou
To see this post:
A. Go to the bottom of this page to the search box
B. Type in:
[admin,428781]
Posted by SLS on March 24, 2012, at 10:04:24
In reply to Lou's request-dhephahm, posted by Lou Pilder on March 24, 2012, at 9:15:32
Dear Lou Pilder,
Emily Elizabeth had directed her comment to me - not to you.
By the way Lou, I still love you. You don't have to love me back.
- Scott
Posted by ou812 on March 24, 2012, at 10:47:05
In reply to Lou's request-whunnahphul » Twinleaf, posted by Lou Pilder on March 24, 2012, at 5:04:34
Lou, this was written to Scott and you have hijacked this thread; it isn't about YOU or any other aspect of your presence here...
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 24, 2012, at 13:26:01
In reply to Re: Lou's request-whunnahphul, posted by ou812 on March 24, 2012, at 10:47:05
> Lou, this was written to Scott and you have hijacked this thread; it isn't about YOU or any other aspect of your presence here...
ou812,
You wrote the above.
Be advised, my friend, that I consider myself an equal member here. You see, the forum is for support and education and support is not the same in my understanding as {reinforcement}. I do not consider any posts here to be private messages. Those can be sent via the b-mail here and if posted, it is my understanding that they can be subject to requests for clarification to further support and education. You see, I am here to save lives and to help people overcome addiction and depression which when others try to prevent me from doing that, I have to ask myself how that could be supportive here for support takes precedence according to the TOS here.
In this situation, there are requests from me for clarification of what the poster wrote. My requests are to the poster that wrote such. Others could still reply to anyone else, they could still post to Scott, they could still post to me, as you have, and others here. They are not hijacking the thread anymore than I am, for Mr. Hsiung redirects posts that are on another topic. I have posted to the innitiator of the thread in a request for clarification. And as long as my requests remain outstanding, those that are trying to make a decision to take mind-altering drugs can not have the answers from the poster to have a better understanding of what the poster wrote. And I think that it is important for people to know what that poster wants to mean by what they wrote here. This is all because these drugs can induce a life-ruining condition or death or addiction and others reading here IMHO (redacted by respondent)the answers from the posters to my requests.
But it is much more than this here. You see, if you could go to the admin board here and look through all of the outstanding requests and notifications from me, you could see that there are posts that IMHO could arouse antisemitic feelings unless my requests are acted on. While the requests remain outstanding, others could think that the statements that could lead others to think that Jews are inferior because they are denied Eternal Life or forgiveness because they reject the claim that {only} (redacted by respondent) Jesus, are supportive and it is good for the community as a whole for the statement to be allowed to stand. This, my friend, has historical roots that Mr. Hsiung has made a prohibition to me so that I can not post my response to the poster , nor to him.
Now here is a link where Mr. Hsiung states to not tell others not to post here. So I post here as an equal member as a result of what Mr. Hsiung has told the members here.I took hinm at his word
Lou
Here is a link to this
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20110117/msgs/1011647.html
Posted by Solstice on March 24, 2012, at 20:19:08
In reply to For Scott, posted by Twinleaf on March 23, 2012, at 14:01:07
> I wanted to pause in a busy day to tell you how much genuine support and happiness your thoughts have given me.
>
> I also want to say that it is beyond thrilling that you are finding a solution to the severe depression which has plagued you for three decades. It is such a wonderful example to everyone - you never gave up through many, many complex medication trials and countless heartbreaking weak successes and severe failures. I do hope that, as you feel better, you will still post here. You have an incomparable knowledge of medications; even though I think I have an excellent pdoc, you definitely put him in the shade!
>
> I hope you live to 102, and feel 22 every single minute of it!Scott -
yes, Yes, YES! Everything TW says here is true. I second the sentiment.
Solstice
Posted by Elanor Roosevelt on March 24, 2012, at 22:42:53
In reply to Lou's request-wnnerphulfoarevrywun?, posted by Lou Pilder on March 24, 2012, at 5:34:13
nobody is going to watch your stupid videos
Posted by sigismund on March 24, 2012, at 23:25:03
In reply to get lost Lou, posted by Elanor Roosevelt on March 24, 2012, at 22:42:53
I would need some amphetamine to have enough energy to go through the process.
Posted by zazenducke on March 25, 2012, at 16:53:08
In reply to Re: get lost Lou, posted by sigismund on March 24, 2012, at 23:25:03
> I would need some amphetamine to have enough energy to go through the process.
Well you're not very likely to get any with statements like that. Should you need some amphetamine to concentrate and focus and avoid distractions going through the process it might be indicated!
I hold GOOGLE responsible for the nationwide shortage of adderall.
Posted by TiredofChemicals on March 25, 2012, at 18:48:30
In reply to Re: get lost Lou, posted by sigismund on March 24, 2012, at 23:25:03
> I would need some amphetamine to have enough energy to go through the process.
lol, sorry had to.
Posted by Dr. Bob on March 26, 2012, at 11:11:12
In reply to Twinleaf's request, posted by Twinleaf on March 24, 2012, at 6:33:10
> Lou,, I am appalled to see your extreme, inappropriate remarks on my thread. Please create your own thread for any remarks you wish to make from now on.
What remarks would you feel would be appropriate? I'd consider it civil, and others might find it helpful, if you specified what you would or wouldn't feel supported by. See:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20100524/msgs/949275.html
That's different than telling someone no remarks from them are welcome. Please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down.
Please don't take this personally, this doesn't mean I don't like you or think you're a bad person, and I'm sorry if this hurts you.
Follow-ups regarding these issues should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration. They, as well as replies to the above post, should of course themselves be civil.
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by Dr. Bob on March 26, 2012, at 11:11:39
In reply to Lou's request-psmohkey, posted by Lou Pilder on March 24, 2012, at 10:01:29
> this ongoing allowing of defamation toward me here
> dehumanizing statements toward Jews
Please don't post anything that could lead others (which includes posters, deputies, or myself) to feel accused (which includes accused of anti-Semitism). To notify the administration of issues you see, use the "notify administrators" button below the post.
Please don't take this personally, this doesn't mean I don't like you or think you're a bad person, and I'm sorry if this hurts you.
Follow-ups regarding these issues should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration. They, as well as replies to the above post, should of course themselves be civil.
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by Dr. Bob on March 26, 2012, at 11:12:25
In reply to get lost Lou, posted by Elanor Roosevelt on March 24, 2012, at 22:42:53
> get lost Lou
> nobody is going to watch your stupid videosPlease be sensitive to the feelings of others.
But please don't take this personally, this doesn't mean I don't like you or think you're a bad person, and I'm sorry if this hurts you.
I do hope that you choose to remain a member of this community and that members of this community help you, if needed, to avoid future blocks. If you want to be proactive, you could ask another poster to be your civility buddy:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#buddies
It's up to you to decide whom you interact with. Sometimes interacting with others may be frustrating, staying civil may be a challenge, and new skills may help. If you're open to developing new skills (which I realize may not be why you came in the first place), that's another way in which you may be supported by other posters.
More information about posting policies and tips on alternative ways to express yourself, including a link to a nice post by Dinah on I-statements, are in the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#enforceFollow-ups regarding these issues should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration. They, as well as replies to the above post, should of course themselves be civil (including in the subject line).
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by zazenducke on March 26, 2012, at 12:03:27
In reply to Re: blocked for week » Elanor Roosevelt, posted by Dr. Bob on March 26, 2012, at 11:12:25
Posted by Twinleaf on March 26, 2012, at 13:03:02
In reply to For Scott, posted by Twinleaf on March 23, 2012, at 14:01:07
I think it should be obvious from my post that any comments in support of my message to Scott about the courage I feel he has shown, his willingness to keep on trying new medication combinations and the admiration I feel for how he has dealt with his situation would be very welcome. Don't you agree that very negative messages such as Lou's really undermine and damage my positive message, and, if they must be endlessly repeated, will do the least damage in separate threads which can be more easily avoided?
Posted by Dinah on March 27, 2012, at 9:51:58
In reply to For Scott, posted by Twinleaf on March 23, 2012, at 14:01:07
Scott, I'm so happy that you've got a combination that is working for you now! You've been such a stabilizing and helpful part of Babble for so long, and you deserve all the best.
Posted by Dr. Bob on March 27, 2012, at 19:35:14
In reply to Re: For Scott, posted by Twinleaf on March 26, 2012, at 13:03:02
Twinleaf,
If when you start a thread you want only support, please say so. Sometimes posters are interested in support, sometimes in hearing different points of view. If you're explicit about what you want, you're more likely to get it -- and those who reply are more likely to feel appreciated.
Scott,
Did Lou's message get in the way of you hearing Twinleaf's message?
Bob
Posted by SLS on March 28, 2012, at 1:13:49
In reply to Re: what you want, posted by Dr. Bob on March 27, 2012, at 19:35:14
> Twinleaf,
>
> If when you start a thread you want only support, please say so. Sometimes posters are interested in support, sometimes in hearing different points of view. If you're explicit about what you want, you're more likely to get it -- and those who reply are more likely to feel appreciated.
>
> Scott,
>
> Did Lou's message get in the way of you hearing Twinleaf's message?
>
> BobIt was too wonderful a message for me not to hear, despite the noise in the background.
I found the noise to be more intrusive and vehement than usual here, and I was upset by it. You know, it was as much hurtful to me as it was angering. For me, it soured the ambiance of the whole thread. "30 years of druggin'" makes it personal.
For me to opine more regarding the messages posted by Lou Pilder would be inappropriate here at this juncture.
- Scott
Posted by Dr. Bob on March 28, 2012, at 1:41:05
In reply to Re: what you want » Dr. Bob, posted by SLS on March 28, 2012, at 1:13:49
> It was too wonderful a message for me not to hear, despite the noise in the background.
>
> For me, [the noise] soured the ambiance of the whole thread.Thanks for explaining. I'm glad her message got through. "Noise" is in the ear of the beholder, but I think the board may be more supportive if we privilege the ear of the "original poster" (for posters to have some say over how threads they start develop).
Bob
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