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Posted by Phillipa on January 15, 2012, at 10:20:05
For quite a few years I have been on this board with suggestion after suggesion to up doses of SSRI's or try another SSRI. I was finally convinced to try lexapro from another poster. Now seems all I read about here are the horrible side effects they create. What has caused this about face so to speak on SSRI's new studies? If so I knew I was better off not taking them. I simply don't care anymore so will most likely just quit them save money and see what happens since they do nothing to help. Actually my quality of life has gone down since taking them and relationships as well. Not worth it at my age. Phillipa
Posted by bleauberry on January 15, 2012, at 12:06:26
In reply to Why All Negative On SSRI's Now?, posted by Phillipa on January 15, 2012, at 10:20:05
Why All Negative On SSRI's Now?
Maybe cuz they don't work?
Seriously, they do sometimes help incredibly and sometimes even miraculously. Just not that often. My guess is somewhere in the 15% area, if that high. I'm talking remission, close to remission, and tolerable or negligible side effects.
I think ssris have a useful place, just that they are overused and overhyped.
And you are right, if quality of life either stays the same or goes down when on a med, well, it doesn't matter what the age is, it definitely aint worth it. Why would someone want to purposefully do that to themselves? Probably the fear of not knowing what to do, or the fear of the unknown, keeps people stuck.
Posted by Lou Pilder on January 15, 2012, at 12:38:56
In reply to Re: Why All Negative On SSRI's Now?, posted by bleauberry on January 15, 2012, at 12:06:26
> Why All Negative On SSRI's Now?
>
> Maybe cuz they don't work?
>
> Seriously, they do sometimes help incredibly and sometimes even miraculously. Just not that often. My guess is somewhere in the 15% area, if that high. I'm talking remission, close to remission, and tolerable or negligible side effects.
>
> I think ssris have a useful place, just that they are overused and overhyped.
>
> And you are right, if quality of life either stays the same or goes down when on a med, well, it doesn't matter what the age is, it definitely aint worth it. Why would someone want to purposefully do that to themselves? Probably the fear of not knowing what to do, or the fear of the unknown, keeps people stuck.
>
> bleau,
You wrote,[...Maybe..they don't work?...Why.?..the fear of not knowing...].
There were about 42,000 deaths from taking psychotropic drugs in one way or another last year. This number could go up due to that more of these drugs are being prescribed to more people. This means that if you look at his situation in the following light, the prescribes and manufacturers of the drugs could be in denial of the facts. And the drugs could induce a mind-alterd state for the taker of the drug to want to kill themselves and/or others or commit mass-murder.
Here is a post that has a link in it thatcatalogs the suicides and murders and other related crimes and issues related to people that were taking psychotropic drugs while the crime was commited.
Lou
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20110902/msgs/996161.html
Posted by Beckett on January 15, 2012, at 13:36:43
In reply to Why All Negative On SSRI's Now?, posted by Phillipa on January 15, 2012, at 10:20:05
Idk, but maybe because the folks here tend to be treatment-resistant or bipolar spectrum?
I think SSRI's work well enough for many people. Maybe just not for those who are most vocal about them not working.
More long term effects observed?
Posted by larryhoover on January 15, 2012, at 14:17:08
In reply to Lou's response-esesarihz » bleauberry, posted by Lou Pilder on January 15, 2012, at 12:38:56
Lou, you seem not to be able to determine what is credible evidence. Let me begin by looking at a website you earlier asked people to Google, using the phrase: "Dangers and health problems from the drug fluoride".
First off, the page that loads is just some person's website. There is no evidence that the person posting there has any special expertise. So, your own reference to it is hearsay. This person posts a letter supposedly sourced from another website, but the link is dead. So that makes it hearsay about hearsay. The supposed letter copied there (wow, it's in quotation marks, it must be real) is alleged from some guy that nobody has ever heard of, but he must be credible because he's a chemist? We're now at three levels of hearsay. You following me, Lou?
But this person, supposedly writing in 1954, relies on something he was told by some other guy. So that's now four levels of hearsay. And this German guy's source is supposedly a secret Nazi program or conspiracy. Five levels of hearsay, now, Lou. Where is your critical thinking?
One thing that amazed the world is that the Nazis documented everything. Everything, in incredible detail. This fluoride conspiracy has been kicking around for 57 years (since that alleged letter was written), and there has been no corroboration of any kind?
Lou, all that I have learned from this link is that you are a very credulous thinker.
Now, to today's post. You said:
> There were about 42,000 deaths from taking psychotropic drugs in one way or another last year.Where did you get such a figure, Lou? If you cannot demonstrate solid evidence for such a figure, I'm going to ask that you be banned from the site.
> Here is a post that has a link in it thatcatalogs the suicides and murders and other related crimes and issues related to people that were taking psychotropic drugs while the crime was commited.
> Lou
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20110902/msgs/996161.htmlLou, this site is the worst form of anecdotal garbage I have ever come across. http://ssristories.com/index.html
Finding simple associations between antidepressant use and tragedy is not evidence of causation. People and their lives are far too complex to be reduced to such a simple interpretation.
Lou, I can only conclude that your interests are malevolent, to spread fear.
Psychotropic meds are powerful agents, but they are designed to assist in the treatment of serious disorders. Proper medical management of all psych patients would minimize adverse events, as would ensuring adequate social supports for all patients. A pipe dream, maybe, but blaming the drugs alone ignores a host of other variables that you never ever attempt to address.
Please stop this posting of your propaganda.
Lar
Posted by gadchik on January 15, 2012, at 14:38:19
In reply to Why All Negative On SSRI's Now?, posted by Phillipa on January 15, 2012, at 10:20:05
phillipa,I personally feel the ssris are good for a yr or so to help certain cases,I dont see them as good for long term.But people do benefit from them.I feel better on a benzo,there are others who feel better on ssri,or something else.We have to try them and see whats best for us.I just wish the doctors wouldnt be so against the benzos.
Posted by Lou Pilder on January 15, 2012, at 15:13:22
In reply to Lou's response-esesarihz » bleauberry, posted by Lou Pilder on January 15, 2012, at 12:38:56
> > Why All Negative On SSRI's Now?
> >
> > Maybe cuz they don't work?
> >
> > Seriously, they do sometimes help incredibly and sometimes even miraculously. Just not that often. My guess is somewhere in the 15% area, if that high. I'm talking remission, close to remission, and tolerable or negligible side effects.
> >
> > I think ssris have a useful place, just that they are overused and overhyped.
> >
> > And you are right, if quality of life either stays the same or goes down when on a med, well, it doesn't matter what the age is, it definitely aint worth it. Why would someone want to purposefully do that to themselves? Probably the fear of not knowing what to do, or the fear of the unknown, keeps people stuck.
> >
> > bleau,
> You wrote,[...Maybe..they don't work?...Why.?..the fear of not knowing...].
> There were about 42,000 deaths from taking psychotropic drugs in one way or another last year. This number could go up due to that more of these drugs are being prescribed to more people. This means that if you look at his situation in the following light, the prescribes and manufacturers of the drugs could be in denial of the facts. And the drugs could induce a mind-alterd state for the taker of the drug to want to kill themselves and/or others or commit mass-murder.
> Here is a post that has a link in it thatcatalogs the suicides and murders and other related crimes and issues related to people that were taking psychotropic drugs while the crime was commited.
> Lou
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20110902/msgs/996161.html
>
> Friends,
If you are considering being a discussant in this thread, I am requesting that you view the following video.
Lou
To view this video:
A. Pull up Google
B. Type in:
[youtube, Fluoride Used by to Sterilize Inmates to make them docile].
This is usually the 3erd post and the is a pic that has the time as 9:39 posted on July 27, 2009
>
Posted by Lou Pilder on January 15, 2012, at 16:04:23
In reply to Lou's response-1939-and on, posted by Lou Pilder on January 15, 2012, at 15:13:22
> > > Why All Negative On SSRI's Now?
> > >
> > > Maybe cuz they don't work?
> > >
> > > Seriously, they do sometimes help incredibly and sometimes even miraculously. Just not that often. My guess is somewhere in the 15% area, if that high. I'm talking remission, close to remission, and tolerable or negligible side effects.
> > >
> > > I think ssris have a useful place, just that they are overused and overhyped.
> > >
> > > And you are right, if quality of life either stays the same or goes down when on a med, well, it doesn't matter what the age is, it definitely aint worth it. Why would someone want to purposefully do that to themselves? Probably the fear of not knowing what to do, or the fear of the unknown, keeps people stuck.
> > >
> > > bleau,
> > You wrote,[...Maybe..they don't work?...Why.?..the fear of not knowing...].
> > There were about 42,000 deaths from taking psychotropic drugs in one way or another last year. This number could go up due to that more of these drugs are being prescribed to more people. This means that if you look at his situation in the following light, the prescribes and manufacturers of the drugs could be in denial of the facts. And the drugs could induce a mind-alterd state for the taker of the drug to want to kill themselves and/or others or commit mass-murder.
> > Here is a post that has a link in it thatcatalogs the suicides and murders and other related crimes and issues related to people that were taking psychotropic drugs while the crime was commited.
> > Lou
> > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20110902/msgs/996161.html
> >
> > Friends,
> If you are considering being a discussant in this thread, I am requesting that you view the following video.
> Lou
> To view this video:
> A. Pull up Google
> B. Type in:
> [youtube, Fluoride Used by to Sterilize Inmates to make them docile].
> This is usually the 3erd post and the is a pic that has the time as 9:39 posted on July 27, 2009
> >
> Friends,
If you are considering being a discussant in this thread, I am requesting thatyou read the following article.
Lou
to see trhis article:
A. Bring up Google
B. Type in:
[Psychiatric drugs, Fact Sheet, Law
> PS...In the previous request from me , the featured video could be the first post without a pic, but all of the posts could be educational.
Now in this article requested by me for you to read, the people involved have {facts}. I am requesting that you read the article because I think that by reading it you could have a better understaning of this situation and be better able to make a more informed decision as to if taking psychotropic drugs could kill you or cause you to kill someone else. The people in the article will show evidence as to who knows and who does not know. I know that there are particular chemicals and compounds in psychotropic drugs that have particular action on the nerves and the brain. The peoplle that made nerve agents such as Sarin know this. The active ingediant in the poison gas Sarin, is fluoride. But there is much more to this. You see, Prozac and Paxil and Lexapro and Luvox and Celexa are flourinated drugs. And fluoride is accumlative in the body. So people take these drugs for months and years and sometimes until they die. Do you takers of these drugs want to rely on another person to take these drugs that could kill you? Or do you want to know the truth about these drugs?
I am trying to save lives here and to help people overcome addiction and depression. Addiction from the drugs. But Mr. Hsiung, the owner of this site, has made prohibitions to me. Prohibitions IMHO that could mark the difference between a live person and a corpse. (see the admin board).
Now I say to you that there has been revealed to me a great deception. I am prohibited here from posting what the deception is and {a way out} as revealed to me. I don't know how many people will die here because of that prohibition to me by Mr. Hsiung, but I do know that death is an enemy and I will fight it where it can be seen. For those of you that want to advance the taking of mind-altering drugs, that even the FDA has issued a warning that they can cause increase in suicidal thinking, remember that (redaced by respondent).
Posted by linkadge on January 15, 2012, at 16:36:10
In reply to Why All Negative On SSRI's Now?, posted by Phillipa on January 15, 2012, at 10:20:05
Posted by jono_in_adelaide on January 15, 2012, at 16:45:39
In reply to Why All Negative On SSRI's Now?, posted by Phillipa on January 15, 2012, at 10:20:05
You only hear the negative stuff on this board, because we are the failiures. The people who take an SSRI and get better on it arnt posting on this board, they are living their lives.....we are a self selected group of treatment resistant patients, who have (for the most part) tried many drugs without getting adequate releif.
SSRI's are great antidepressants when they work, and for the vast majority,a fter the first week, the side effects are mild and tolorable.
Posted by EERR11CC on January 15, 2012, at 17:11:55
In reply to Why All Negative On SSRI's Now?, posted by Phillipa on January 15, 2012, at 10:20:05
Phillipa,
There is a bias towards posting negative things. They are more memorable and it feels responsible to alert others to one's own pitfalls. The function of memory seems biased in favor of negative experience in that it is acting to protect you from future error. People (well, me) don't come as often to a support group when they feel good, it just doesn't occur to them. For these reasons I feel many positive experience reports fall by the wayside.
Eric
Posted by emmanuel98 on January 15, 2012, at 18:08:42
In reply to Re: Why All Negative On SSRI's Now?, posted by EERR11CC on January 15, 2012, at 17:11:55
. People (well, me) don't come as often to a support group when they feel good, it just doesn't occur to them.
So true. Why would anyone even do a google search leading them here unless they were looking for info on side effects, withdrawal effects, effectiveness of ADs, treatment resistant depression or something like that. I certainly never would have found this if everything was working out fine.
Posted by sigismund on January 15, 2012, at 18:26:47
In reply to Re: Why All Negative On SSRI's Now?, posted by jono_in_adelaide on January 15, 2012, at 16:45:39
>You only hear the negative stuff on this board, because we are the failiures.
Well, you hear this from time to time, but how do you know? It may be the case, it may not.
Posted by Phillipa on January 15, 2012, at 18:27:48
In reply to Re: Why All Negative On SSRI's Now? » Phillipa, posted by gadchik on January 15, 2012, at 14:38:19
Gadchik you said it so well as before was put on one all I'd taken for decades were low doses of benzos and felt perfectly fine. And was working the minute paxil at only l0mg was given to me I was out on sick leave for six months. Many docs are benzophobes. I have a hard time finding those that are not. Luckily this new one has been around and used all the classes of meds and isn't concerned with my low doses of benzos. Although as he said two together are unconventional. Now if could get off the SSRI's I also might feel good enough to get back to a bit of normal. I agree with studies SSRI's were not meant to be taken long term. My brain and my parents brains, Sister and her kids all are wired like me and take a benzo. Phillipa
Posted by gadchik on January 15, 2012, at 18:39:33
In reply to Re: Why All Negative On SSRI's Now? » gadchik, posted by Phillipa on January 15, 2012, at 18:27:48
I knew w/the first dose of klonopin,that it was the key that unlocked my years of anxiety.But I felt pressure,mainly from myself(from yrs of listening to horror stories about benzos)to take an ssri,and that the ssri must be the long term,and the benzo,the short term.Luckily,my pdoc feels that klonopin is perfectly fine.Its the pcps that are phobic about it.
Posted by linkadge on January 15, 2012, at 19:28:37
In reply to Re: Why All Negative On SSRI's Now?, posted by jono_in_adelaide on January 15, 2012, at 16:45:39
>SSRI's are great antidepressants when they work
so are placebos
Posted by Phillipa on January 15, 2012, at 20:35:05
In reply to Re: Why All Negative On SSRI's Now? » Phillipa, posted by gadchik on January 15, 2012, at 18:39:33
I developed panic attacks bad enough to move back from Florida to CT. With 5mg of valium three times a day and miltown 400mg I knew I would never ever fear or have panic again. Little did I know that even though I could stop and start them when I was fine or busy that one day I would be tolerant but no point in raising dose. Just make me tired. Phillipa
Posted by crazyjoe on January 15, 2012, at 21:41:20
In reply to Re: Why All Negative On SSRI's Now? » gadchik, posted by Phillipa on January 15, 2012, at 20:35:05
if you have ocd that is bad enough to treat with medication.....you have little choice than to use an ssri
Posted by Lou Pilder on January 16, 2012, at 6:58:03
In reply to Lou's response-hunoze, posted by Lou Pilder on January 15, 2012, at 16:04:23
> > > > Why All Negative On SSRI's Now?
> > > >
> > > > Maybe cuz they don't work?
> > > >
> > > > Seriously, they do sometimes help incredibly and sometimes even miraculously. Just not that often. My guess is somewhere in the 15% area, if that high. I'm talking remission, close to remission, and tolerable or negligible side effects.
> > > >
> > > > I think ssris have a useful place, just that they are overused and overhyped.
> > > >
> > > > And you are right, if quality of life either stays the same or goes down when on a med, well, it doesn't matter what the age is, it definitely aint worth it. Why would someone want to purposefully do that to themselves? Probably the fear of not knowing what to do, or the fear of the unknown, keeps people stuck.
> > > >
> > > > bleau,
> > > You wrote,[...Maybe..they don't work?...Why.?..the fear of not knowing...].
> > > There were about 42,000 deaths from taking psychotropic drugs in one way or another last year. This number could go up due to that more of these drugs are being prescribed to more people. This means that if you look at his situation in the following light, the prescribes and manufacturers of the drugs could be in denial of the facts. And the drugs could induce a mind-alterd state for the taker of the drug to want to kill themselves and/or others or commit mass-murder.
> > > Here is a post that has a link in it thatcatalogs the suicides and murders and other related crimes and issues related to people that were taking psychotropic drugs while the crime was commited.
> > > Lou
> > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20110902/msgs/996161.html
> > >
> > > Friends,
> > If you are considering being a discussant in this thread, I am requesting that you view the following video.
> > Lou
> > To view this video:
> > A. Pull up Google
> > B. Type in:
> > [youtube, Fluoride Used by to Sterilize Inmates to make them docile].
> > This is usually the 3erd post and the is a pic that has the time as 9:39 posted on July 27, 2009
> > >
> > Friends,
> If you are considering being a discussant in this thread, I am requesting thatyou read the following article.
> Lou
> to see trhis article:
> A. Bring up Google
> B. Type in:
> [Psychiatric drugs, Fact Sheet, Law
> > PS...In the previous request from me , the featured video could be the first post without a pic, but all of the posts could be educational.
> Now in this article requested by me for you to read, the people involved have {facts}. I am requesting that you read the article because I think that by reading it you could have a better understaning of this situation and be better able to make a more informed decision as to if taking psychotropic drugs could kill you or cause you to kill someone else. The people in the article will show evidence as to who knows and who does not know. I know that there are particular chemicals and compounds in psychotropic drugs that have particular action on the nerves and the brain. The peoplle that made nerve agents such as Sarin know this. The active ingediant in the poison gas Sarin, is fluoride. But there is much more to this. You see, Prozac and Paxil and Lexapro and Luvox and Celexa are flourinated drugs. And fluoride is accumlative in the body. So people take these drugs for months and years and sometimes until they die. Do you takers of these drugs want to rely on another person to take these drugs that could kill you? Or do you want to know the truth about these drugs?
> I am trying to save lives here and to help people overcome addiction and depression. Addiction from the drugs. But Mr. Hsiung, the owner of this site, has made prohibitions to me. Prohibitions IMHO that could mark the difference between a live person and a corpse. (see the admin board).
> Now I say to you that there has been revealed to me a great deception. I am prohibited here from posting what the deception is and {a way out} as revealed to me. I don't know how many people will die here because of that prohibition to me by Mr. Hsiung, but I do know that death is an enemy and I will fight it where it can be seen. For those of you that want to advance the taking of mind-altering drugs, that even the FDA has issued a warning that they can cause increase in suicidal thinking, remember that (redaced by respondent).
>
> Friends,
The quesion to me is where do some of the stats that I cite come from. There are many sources and I have gatherd some from transcripts of legal cases involving deaths that the palintiff asserts were caused by the decedent taking psychotropic drugs. These transcripts are available on the net and are referenced in other articles. There are many cases going on now that lawyers have facts concerning the number of deaths from psychotropic drugs. They get those stats from the FDA and other government sources. You can contact the FDA yourself and get these stats. You see, deaths are reported and records are kept as to the cause of death. One vid that I posted here has the deaths from suicides as recorded. That was in {The truth about suicide by Psychtruth} if you want to pull that up.
The number of around 40,000 people that died from psychotropic drugs last year is used as common fact by many now. And those that use that number know that the number of deaths could be much more than that because all of the deaths are not reported. Some say it is 10 to 1 or even 100 to one. So if the 40,000 deaths last year isused, it could be 4,000,000 if the 100 to 1 ratio is used. I tend to lean to about 10 to 1 due to that many die from sudden death as cardiac arrest and families may not go forward with finding the exact cause of death with a determination medically. I know of many cases like this on a personal level.
If one would like to see one of the people that use the 40,000, pull up Google and type in
[youtube, Depression is not a chemical imbalance in your brain, Mercola].
Now Dr Mercola uses the 40,000 and he has his idea about depression. I agree with him in part but I know what causes depression beyond that but I am prohibite here by Mr. Hsiung from posting that which IMHHHO couod save your life and/or prevent you from getting a life-ruining condition.
As to the use of fluoride durring WW2, it is generally accepted as fact that the Russia used fluoride in the water to make inmates docile. Then I have other statements from the transcripts of the cross-examination of war criminals in war-crimes trials. These are on the net and in particular if you pull up the ones cross examining the doctors at Nuremburg, the last statements before those convicted of war crimes were executed, you could see for yourselves a lot that could go a long way to having more understanding as to what is plainly visible here. (see the admin board).
Now those of you that do not know of the history of psychotropic drugs could go back here in the archives and look at some of the posts of mine that I think could save your life or prevent you from getting a life-ruining condition. If you question the source of any, please post here what you want to know and I will post what you could use to substantiate what is in question. As for some of those, I am prohibited to post concerning the period from 1933 to 1945 and beyond here (see operation paperclip) by the nature of prohibitions to me from Mr. Hsiung. But I ask you, if the forum is for support and education,(redacted by respondent) and this leads then to the question as to if there are two standards here, does it not?
Then there are the statements that could arouse antisemitic feelings that are allowed to be considerd to be supportiuve here (see the admin board). Then there are the remarks to me that could stigmatize me and Jews that are allowed to stand. You can not know of all of these because another prohibition to me from Mr. Hsiung is that I can not post a link to that kind of post that could show you.
Lou
Posted by crazyjoe on January 16, 2012, at 8:11:35
In reply to Lou's response-foardykehy, posted by Lou Pilder on January 16, 2012, at 6:58:03
i ask you again...if you have ocd that requires medicine in order to functiom.....ssri's are 99% of your choice....answer the quesion
Posted by Lou Pilder on January 16, 2012, at 8:20:56
In reply to Lou's response-foardykehy, posted by Lou Pilder on January 16, 2012, at 6:58:03
> > > > > Why All Negative On SSRI's Now?
> > > > >
> > > > > Maybe cuz they don't work?
> > > > >
> > > > > Seriously, they do sometimes help incredibly and sometimes even miraculously. Just not that often. My guess is somewhere in the 15% area, if that high. I'm talking remission, close to remission, and tolerable or negligible side effects.
> > > > >
> > > > > I think ssris have a useful place, just that they are overused and overhyped.
> > > > >
> > > > > And you are right, if quality of life either stays the same or goes down when on a med, well, it doesn't matter what the age is, it definitely aint worth it. Why would someone want to purposefully do that to themselves? Probably the fear of not knowing what to do, or the fear of the unknown, keeps people stuck.
> > > > >
> > > > > bleau,
> > > > You wrote,[...Maybe..they don't work?...Why.?..the fear of not knowing...].
> > > > There were about 42,000 deaths from taking psychotropic drugs in one way or another last year. This number could go up due to that more of these drugs are being prescribed to more people. This means that if you look at his situation in the following light, the prescribes and manufacturers of the drugs could be in denial of the facts. And the drugs could induce a mind-alterd state for the taker of the drug to want to kill themselves and/or others or commit mass-murder.
> > > > Here is a post that has a link in it thatcatalogs the suicides and murders and other related crimes and issues related to people that were taking psychotropic drugs while the crime was commited.
> > > > Lou
> > > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20110902/msgs/996161.html
> > > >
> > > > Friends,
> > > If you are considering being a discussant in this thread, I am requesting that you view the following video.
> > > Lou
> > > To view this video:
> > > A. Pull up Google
> > > B. Type in:
> > > [youtube, Fluoride Used by to Sterilize Inmates to make them docile].
> > > This is usually the 3erd post and the is a pic that has the time as 9:39 posted on July 27, 2009
> > > >
> > > Friends,
> > If you are considering being a discussant in this thread, I am requesting thatyou read the following article.
> > Lou
> > to see trhis article:
> > A. Bring up Google
> > B. Type in:
> > [Psychiatric drugs, Fact Sheet, Law
> > > PS...In the previous request from me , the featured video could be the first post without a pic, but all of the posts could be educational.
> > Now in this article requested by me for you to read, the people involved have {facts}. I am requesting that you read the article because I think that by reading it you could have a better understaning of this situation and be better able to make a more informed decision as to if taking psychotropic drugs could kill you or cause you to kill someone else. The people in the article will show evidence as to who knows and who does not know. I know that there are particular chemicals and compounds in psychotropic drugs that have particular action on the nerves and the brain. The peoplle that made nerve agents such as Sarin know this. The active ingediant in the poison gas Sarin, is fluoride. But there is much more to this. You see, Prozac and Paxil and Lexapro and Luvox and Celexa are flourinated drugs. And fluoride is accumlative in the body. So people take these drugs for months and years and sometimes until they die. Do you takers of these drugs want to rely on another person to take these drugs that could kill you? Or do you want to know the truth about these drugs?
> > I am trying to save lives here and to help people overcome addiction and depression. Addiction from the drugs. But Mr. Hsiung, the owner of this site, has made prohibitions to me. Prohibitions IMHO that could mark the difference between a live person and a corpse. (see the admin board).
> > Now I say to you that there has been revealed to me a great deception. I am prohibited here from posting what the deception is and {a way out} as revealed to me. I don't know how many people will die here because of that prohibition to me by Mr. Hsiung, but I do know that death is an enemy and I will fight it where it can be seen. For those of you that want to advance the taking of mind-altering drugs, that even the FDA has issued a warning that they can cause increase in suicidal thinking, remember that (redaced by respondent).
> >
> > Friends,
> The quesion to me is where do some of the stats that I cite come from. There are many sources and I have gatherd some from transcripts of legal cases involving deaths that the palintiff asserts were caused by the decedent taking psychotropic drugs. These transcripts are available on the net and are referenced in other articles. There are many cases going on now that lawyers have facts concerning the number of deaths from psychotropic drugs. They get those stats from the FDA and other government sources. You can contact the FDA yourself and get these stats. You see, deaths are reported and records are kept as to the cause of death. One vid that I posted here has the deaths from suicides as recorded. That was in {The truth about suicide by Psychtruth} if you want to pull that up.
> The number of around 40,000 people that died from psychotropic drugs last year is used as common fact by many now. And those that use that number know that the number of deaths could be much more than that because all of the deaths are not reported. Some say it is 10 to 1 or even 100 to one. So if the 40,000 deaths last year isused, it could be 4,000,000 if the 100 to 1 ratio is used. I tend to lean to about 10 to 1 due to that many die from sudden death as cardiac arrest and families may not go forward with finding the exact cause of death with a determination medically. I know of many cases like this on a personal level.
> If one would like to see one of the people that use the 40,000, pull up Google and type in
> [youtube, Depression is not a chemical imbalance in your brain, Mercola].
> Now Dr Mercola uses the 40,000 and he has his idea about depression. I agree with him in part but I know what causes depression beyond that but I am prohibite here by Mr. Hsiung from posting that which IMHHHO couod save your life and/or prevent you from getting a life-ruining condition.
> As to the use of fluoride durring WW2, it is generally accepted as fact that the Russia used fluoride in the water to make inmates docile. Then I have other statements from the transcripts of the cross-examination of war criminals in war-crimes trials. These are on the net and in particular if you pull up the ones cross examining the doctors at Nuremburg, the last statements before those convicted of war crimes were executed, you could see for yourselves a lot that could go a long way to having more understanding as to what is plainly visible here. (see the admin board).
> Now those of you that do not know of the history of psychotropic drugs could go back here in the archives and look at some of the posts of mine that I think could save your life or prevent you from getting a life-ruining condition. If you question the source of any, please post here what you want to know and I will post what you could use to substantiate what is in question. As for some of those, I am prohibited to post concerning the period from 1933 to 1945 and beyond here (see operation paperclip) by the nature of prohibitions to me from Mr. Hsiung. But I ask you, if the forum is for support and education,(redacted by respondent) and this leads then to the question as to if there are two standards here, does it not?
> Then there are the statements that could arouse antisemitic feelings that are allowed to be considerd to be supportiuve here (see the admin board). Then there are the remarks to me that could stigmatize me and Jews that are allowed to stand. You can not know of all of these because another prohibition to me from Mr. Hsiung is that I can not post a link to that kind of post that could show you.
> Lou
>
> Friends,
To see for yourselves, I am requesting that you pull up the following page and view the videos there. Then if you are in doubt about that 1 1/2 million Jewish children were murderd by those that held theselves up to be superior to Jews, and that what you can see on thhe admin board here, and what you can see here concerning the allowing to stand of statements that could arouse antisemitic feelings, the outstanding requests from me that include notifications, and (redacted by respondent), then (redacted by respondent).
Lou
To pull up the page:
A. Pull up Goggle
B. Type in:
[youtube, war crimes trials, cross examination of doctors]
Posted by Lou Pilder on January 16, 2012, at 10:21:57
In reply to Re: Lou's response-foardykehy, posted by crazyjoe on January 16, 2012, at 8:11:35
> i ask you again...if you have ocd that requires medicine in order to functiom.....ssri's are 99% of your choice....answer the quesion
Hi crazyjoe,
I am unsure as to what member ou are asking (again) to answer your question. Is it me?
Lou
Posted by Phillipa on January 16, 2012, at 18:56:54
In reply to Lou's reply-ehygen » crazyjoe, posted by Lou Pilder on January 16, 2012, at 10:21:57
Lou I think it's you do you? Phillipa
Posted by Christ_empowered on January 16, 2012, at 20:33:16
In reply to Re: Why All Negative On SSRI's Now?, posted by EERR11CC on January 15, 2012, at 17:11:55
I think part of it is timing. I read somewhere that every 15-20 years, new meds come out in psychiatry that are hailed as the best thing ever, while the old meds get demonized and tossed aside. Look at benzos vs barbiturates (the barbiturates apparently weren't that dangerous, from what I've read). Look at benzos vs SSRI drugs for anxiety. SSRI vs TCA for depression (the definition of which changed after the ssri drugs came on the scene, btw).
I think now that its been over 20 years since Prozac hit the scene in the US, we're in a good position to look at the SSRI drugs more critically. Yes, they help some people. They're also overused, used in inappropriate circumstances, and they come with side-effects (some of which we're only now discovering).
I'm for benzos over SSRI drugs just because I think benzos are better for a lot of people, unless you have really bad depression or something and then an antidepressant (not necessarily an ssri) might be helpful.
Personally, I don't like antidepressants because of personal experiences of being told that I'm "just depressed" and to take high dose cymbalta and some other crap. Come to find out...Bipolar w/ psychotic depression. So, at a certain level, I associate antidepressants with shutting people in distress up and moving on to the next patient.
Posted by Lou Pilder on January 22, 2012, at 7:30:20
In reply to Knock it off, Lou » Lou Pilder, posted by larryhoover on January 15, 2012, at 14:17:08
> Lou, you seem not to be able to determine what is credible evidence. Let me begin by looking at a website you earlier asked people to Google, using the phrase: "Dangers and health problems from the drug fluoride".
>
> First off, the page that loads is just some person's website. There is no evidence that the person posting there has any special expertise. So, your own reference to it is hearsay. This person posts a letter supposedly sourced from another website, but the link is dead. So that makes it hearsay about hearsay. The supposed letter copied there (wow, it's in quotation marks, it must be real) is alleged from some guy that nobody has ever heard of, but he must be credible because he's a chemist? We're now at three levels of hearsay. You following me, Lou?
>
> But this person, supposedly writing in 1954, relies on something he was told by some other guy. So that's now four levels of hearsay. And this German guy's source is supposedly a secret Nazi program or conspiracy. Five levels of hearsay, now, Lou. Where is your critical thinking?
>
> One thing that amazed the world is that the Nazis documented everything. Everything, in incredible detail. This fluoride conspiracy has been kicking around for 57 years (since that alleged letter was written), and there has been no corroboration of any kind?
>
> Lou, all that I have learned from this link is that you are a very credulous thinker.
>
> Now, to today's post. You said:
> > There were about 42,000 deaths from taking psychotropic drugs in one way or another last year.
>
> Where did you get such a figure, Lou? If you cannot demonstrate solid evidence for such a figure, I'm going to ask that you be banned from the site.
>
> > Here is a post that has a link in it thatcatalogs the suicides and murders and other related crimes and issues related to people that were taking psychotropic drugs while the crime was commited.
> > Lou
> > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20110902/msgs/996161.html
>
> Lou, this site is the worst form of anecdotal garbage I have ever come across. http://ssristories.com/index.html
>
> Finding simple associations between antidepressant use and tragedy is not evidence of causation. People and their lives are far too complex to be reduced to such a simple interpretation.
>
> Lou, I can only conclude that your interests are malevolent, to spread fear.
>
> Psychotropic meds are powerful agents, but they are designed to assist in the treatment of serious disorders. Proper medical management of all psych patients would minimize adverse events, as would ensuring adequate social supports for all patients. A pipe dream, maybe, but blaming the drugs alone ignores a host of other variables that you never ever attempt to address.
>
> Please stop this posting of your propaganda.
>
> LarFriends,
If you are considering being a discussant in this thread, or if you doubt that psychiatric drugs can kill you, I am requesting that you view the following video.
Lou
To view this video:
A. Pull uup Google
B. Type in:
[youtube, Every month psychiatric drugs kill more than 911].
The first two are usually the same and there are professionals in their field such as doctors, psychiatrists, researchers and the like that if you do not want to believe them, then could you believe what someone says that (redacted by respondent)?
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