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Posted by tepi on June 12, 2011, at 1:44:26
Is there anything out there that makes me forget the problems and diseases of my life?
I dont care if I feel high , I just dotn want to have social phobia, I just wanna feel fine.
Years keep passing, I need a life
Alcohol is not rigth ok? then what else?
Posted by Phillipa on June 12, 2011, at 11:03:40
In reply to A DRUG TO HIGH ME, posted by tepi on June 12, 2011, at 1:44:26
Tepi I just don't know I'd also like one. Love Phillipa
Posted by sigismund on June 12, 2011, at 14:14:59
In reply to A DRUG TO HIGH ME, posted by tepi on June 12, 2011, at 1:44:26
Tep, you probably need something. If I was in your shoes I'd find coca leaf to chew and have a few drinks.
And then I think you should try to find someone who you can help. Someone less fortunate than you.
And by doing this, I think you might feel a little better.
It might take you mind off your terrible fear.
All the best, Tep. I've always liked you.
Maybe more people like you than you think.
Even so, there are plenty of reasons to be frightened.
Posted by ralphrogers on June 12, 2011, at 16:47:21
In reply to Re: A DRUG TO HIGH ME, posted by sigismund on June 12, 2011, at 14:14:59
tepi,
Maybe you need something to ease anxiety? I find Xanax great to take me from the worst places when I'm anxious. I'd think of something which will help in the long term, to build a better situation little by little.
I very much agree with what sigismund said. Helping someone less fortunate than us is usually very good. When we feel connected (as when we help other people), our mind gets quieter and some peace settles in. The human condition is really frightening.
"Writing is a form of therapy; sometimes I wonder how all those, who do not write, compose, or paint can manage to escape the madness, the melancholia, the panic fear, which is inherent in a human condition" (Graham Greene)
Stay well
Ralph
Posted by jono_in_adelaide on June 12, 2011, at 17:55:35
In reply to Re: A DRUG TO HIGH ME, posted by ralphrogers on June 12, 2011, at 16:47:21
Benzodiazepines became the most commonly prescribed drugs in the world for exactly the reasons you state during the 1970's = they helped people forget their unhappiness.
Down side is they are habit forming.
If you have socail phobia, an SSRI every day, and a benzo such as Valium or Xanax or Ativan "as needed" might be a good plan, the SSRI keeps the symptoms at bay, and you take a tranquilzer on days when you are especaily tense or bad
Posted by Christ_empowered on June 12, 2011, at 18:52:49
In reply to Re: A DRUG TO HIGH ME » tepi, posted by Phillipa on June 12, 2011, at 11:03:40
I'd personally suggest start with a reasonable dose of ativan, xanax, or klonopin and then try to work in something for the long-haul, like celexa or something. Then maybe reduce the tranquilizer (or not..some people need a daily sedative, it happens).
Have you considered therapy? This sounds like more than just simple social phobia. Maybe you should start writing or doing volunteer work or something.
Posted by Phillipa on June 12, 2011, at 20:39:55
In reply to Re: A DRUG TO HIGH ME, posted by Christ_empowered on June 12, 2011, at 18:52:49
For me benzos not habit forming at all. I took for a few years then stopped when in school as was happy. I feel that the state of ones happiness dictates the need for meds if condition anxiety based. Was once told by a pdoc that the 1.25mg of xanax took every other night was really acting as a placebo could have been? Phillipa
Posted by jono_in_adelaide on June 12, 2011, at 22:10:57
In reply to Re: A DRUG TO HIGH ME, posted by Phillipa on June 12, 2011, at 20:39:55
Only about 1/3 of people chronicly using benzos at theraputic doses (say upto 20mg/day of diazepam or equivelent) will become dependant, the other 2/3 can easily stop them with perhaps a couple of weeks taper.
Posted by floatingbridge on June 13, 2011, at 1:39:54
In reply to A DRUG TO HIGH ME, posted by tepi on June 12, 2011, at 1:44:26
tepi,
I think I agree with sigi, too.
The way to improve (not cure) social phobias is other people.
Medication can really help, though I haven't found a cure. There really isn't one, in my opinion, but I think your life
can improve to the point that it becomes worthwhile. Do I understand that you have decided against Lyrica?Would Nardil give you enough to build on? I think you can take xanax with that, but please check this out. Xanax helped me get out there where my cbt for social phobia failed.
There are people who would need you, even like you. They are probably already within reach.
Please don't feel I am dismissing your pain and fear. I believe you. Yet, what
can we do?I like you, too. And I have faith in you.
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Posted by jono_in_adelaide on June 13, 2011, at 18:14:33
In reply to Re: A DRUG TO HIGH ME » tepi, posted by floatingbridge on June 13, 2011, at 1:39:54
Also, starting out using benzos as a way to get high or block out an unplesant reality is a recipie for disaster - be very careful not to increase the dose of your own volition, or take them except as directed, as that is the path to dug addiction
Posted by phillipa on June 13, 2011, at 19:19:59
In reply to A DRUG TO HIGH ME, posted by tepi on June 12, 2011, at 1:44:26
Tepi you know you need to get a doc right? And once said Texas not that far away. Why not try one there. And nardil worked well for you in the past. Are you back on it? Phillipa
Posted by sigismund on June 13, 2011, at 23:43:08
In reply to A DRUG TO HIGH ME, posted by tepi on June 12, 2011, at 1:44:26
Hey Tep. I just wanted to make myself a little more clear.
Young people who suffer social anxiety must often feel as if they are watching life pass by as if they look in through a window to people who know how to have fun in a wonderful world from which they are excluded.
It is a cruel feeling of alienation and exclusion.
If you can find someone who feels this as you do, you will be in a position to help.
I am not suggesting that you need to do this because you are uncaring. If you can help such a person, you will have made a connection. Not the kind of connection you might prefer. But (if you are like me) the ones you prefer are the ones you can't have and which are surrounded by envy.
I don't know....it's all our relative perspective. It's confusing. I simplify it for myself by saying life sucks.
Posted by morgan miller on June 14, 2011, at 3:37:54
In reply to A DRUG TO HIGH ME, posted by tepi on June 12, 2011, at 1:44:26
I agree with a previous poster that a good SSRI plus a benzo(Klonopin) only as needed might be the best way to go. I would go with Zoloft(sertraline) for the SSRI, then Lexapro(escitalopram) if Zoloft doesn't work out.
If you can do them, add exercise and spending time with friends to the list of things to do to get your mind off things.
What are your health issues?
Posted by tepi on June 14, 2011, at 22:38:18
In reply to Re: A DRUG TO HIGH ME, posted by morgan miller on June 14, 2011, at 3:37:54
I forgot to mention that I have had this disease since I was 15 years old . I am now 31 years old and I have used almost every drugs out there , SRRIS , Benzos , Nardil , APs , some stimulants ,tryciclics
So that is why I am reaching to a point of thinking in drugs to forget Im living this hell and that this is gonna continue for all my life
I keep drinnking , I know its not good but is the only thing that makes me feel alittle more calm around people
Sigsi what is coca leaf to chew??
I looking for a doctor ,I dont know why , but Im looking for it(another one in my life! )
I just wanna feel I AM ALIVE !!
This depression-socialphobia-psychoticthougths and who knows what else is destroying every part of my life
So drugs come to me!! I dont care!
Posted by sigismund on June 14, 2011, at 23:32:49
In reply to Re: A DRUG TO HIGH ME, posted by tepi on June 14, 2011, at 22:38:18
> Im living this hell and that this is gonna continue for all my life
Well, yeah, I know what you mean. Is it because you want to escape the prison so much that it is so hard to get out of? You know what Jesus said 'To him who has shall more be given, but to him who has not, even that which he has shall be taken away'.
I remember you talking about being between your parents when they were fighting, so perhaps things were not even so good before you were 15? Or did it start then?
(Coca leaf grows to the south of you, and people in your country are killed in their efforts to get cocaine into the US. But I certainly didn't mean cocaine. I meant coca. I'm just thinking out loud, Tep.)
If you can find someone (or some animal) who needs you, who only you can help.....I was feeling, rightly or wrongly, that this might be good for you......rather than you looking in from the outside at people and feeling that your illness prevents you from having the sorts of times you want.
Feeling useful and needed is good enough. Not as good as feeling attractive and desirable, of course.It's not fair, I know. But is there anything better than Nardil? And you stopped that because, if I recall correctly, you didn't think you were depressed. But was it not helpful at all?
Posted by Questionmark on June 16, 2011, at 19:01:56
In reply to Re: A DRUG TO HIGH ME, posted by tepi on June 14, 2011, at 22:38:18
I am the very same age.
And i feel the same way.I wish i could offer some advice. But i'm out of ideas myself.
Nothing has helped me more than Nardil.
Unfortunately, it brings a host of problems along with it. Side effects, to put it simply..... I wish i had more to offer. If i prayed, i would say a prayer. But all i can do is say, i wish you the best.
Posted by tepi on June 17, 2011, at 23:05:09
In reply to Re: A DRUG TO HIGH ME, posted by sigismund on June 14, 2011, at 23:32:49
> > Im living this hell and that this is gonna continue for all my life
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> Well, yeah, I know what you mean. Is it because you want to escape the prison so much that it is so hard to get out of? You know what Jesus said 'To him who has shall more be given, but to him who has not, even that which he has shall be taken away'.
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> I remember you talking about being between your parents when they were fighting, so perhaps things were not even so good before you were 15? Or did it start then?
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> (Coca leaf grows to the south of you, and people in your country are killed in their efforts to get cocaine into the US. But I certainly didn't mean cocaine. I meant coca. I'm just thinking out loud, Tep.)
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Oh yes , I understand now . Well Im not sure if cocaine would be my answer, Do you think so?
Things are dangerous here because of cocaine. Many people is going to live to the united states because of the violence. One Doc recomended me first to leave this environment . He said that would help me to think better.... I dont know> If you can find someone (or some animal) who needs you, who only you can help.....I was feeling, rightly or wrongly, that this might be good for you......rather than you looking in from the outside at people and feeling that your illness prevents you from having the sorts of times you want.
> Feeling useful and needed is good enough. Not as good as feeling attractive and desirable, of course.
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> It's not fair, I know. But is there anything better than Nardil? And you stopped that because, if I recall correctly, you didn't think you were depressed. But was it not helpful at all?
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Yes I stopped it because of that and because I decided that was not the way I wanted to feel the rest of my life. I was not happy .
I wish I could live just a little bit better . Just to have the minimal skills to be with a girl , make a family , have some friends to really enjoy and to give thanks for these things ... I have a good family but I Just cant feel Im blessed , Its impossible. My heart was also affected...
Posted by Phillipa on June 17, 2011, at 23:28:59
In reply to Re: A DRUG TO HIGH ME » sigismund, posted by tepi on June 17, 2011, at 23:05:09
Tepi how was your hear affected old girlfriend or physically? I feel nardil was your med and get to Texas as you once posted you lived near the border didn't you? Love Phillipa
Posted by sigismund on June 18, 2011, at 2:15:16
In reply to Re: A DRUG TO HIGH ME » sigismund, posted by tepi on June 17, 2011, at 23:05:09
You were thinking of going to Italy, weren't you?
Not doing that?>Just to have the minimal skills to be with a girl, make a family , have some friends to really enjoy and to give thanks for these things.
Of course, Tep.
I don't know about enjoying them and giving thanks, but to do them is no small thing, even though you see people doing it all the time.
Lots of people have trouble doing these things taking meds or not.
Meds? So Nardil wasn't great for you?The other night I went to a meeting, and of course drank too much just to put up with it.
I always feel so damn complicated.....something to make me feel more simple.
People make me feel so bad. The upside is I care less than I used to.
Wonderful world, pity about the company?
It's no one's fault. S'pose.
Posted by tepi on June 21, 2011, at 0:32:01
In reply to Re: A DRUG TO HIGH ME » tepi, posted by sigismund on June 18, 2011, at 2:15:16
> You were thinking of going to Italy, weren't you?
> Not doing that?
>Well maybe Europe , that idea its always on my mind. My parents tell me to stay in Mexico until I feel goood . But they know and I know this thing is not gonna leave me never. So probably , I will go there , just to make something I always wanted to do.. Maybe Im gonna be a sick person , but I will spent some time sick in europe, it sounds better , rigth?
> >Just to have the minimal skills to be with a girl, make a family , have some friends to really enjoy and to give thanks for these things.
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> Of course, Tep.
> I don't know about enjoying them and giving thanks, but to do them is no small thing, even though you see people doing it all the time.
> Lots of people have trouble doing these things taking meds or not.
> Meds? So Nardil wasn't great for you?
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> T
Not as great as I wanted...he other night I went to a meeting, and of course drank too much just to put up with it.
> I always feel so damn complicated.....something to make me feel more simple.
> People make me feel so bad. The upside is I care less than I used to.
> Wonderful world, pity about the company?
> It's no one's fault. S'pose.Wow thats exactly me , thats what I think all the times...
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