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Posted by violette on December 26, 2010, at 14:57:02
In reply to Re: Are cancer patients maladaptive too? Dble standard » violette, posted by SLS on December 26, 2010, at 11:49:33
Hi SLS,
I wouldn't know if you personally were in denial. I just know it can be a possiblity for some people and that it does happen. You know how complex depression is..and people should know all the treatment options.
But people are not being told all the treatment options. If I had chronic high chloesteral and was given medication but not told by my dr how certain foods can raise cholesteral levels, i'd be angry. Other people might be told this information by their doctor, and choose to ignore it. Still, people suffering should be informed about the condition and the possible causes and treatments.
And as you might know, certain people have genetic tendencies where they can eat the most healthy diet, exercise every day - but still have high cholesteral! You have already said you've tried everything for depression, so maybe that is the case with you and your illness-that you just have the biological disposition and there will be a medication to turn it around, maybe genetic therapy, like the person with high cholesteral with the healthy lifestyle, who might have genetic cures someday to prolong their life.
But most people know that food affects our health. I am not so sure if most people know about being in denial, maladaptive behavior-and whether it applies to them because psychiatrists, in my experience and what i've read, do not usually talk about this to a patient. Or some may understand it at the rational level, but not get it at the emotional level. Rationalization is actually a major sign of denial. Rationalization is very common to people with addictions. And there are ways to rationalize all sorts of behavior. Rationalization could also be someone's nature and have nothing to do with illness, just as wine and vodka alone have nothing to do with addictions. It can be a tool though.
i just know that it is nearly impossible to remain in denial while doing pscyhoanalytic therapy. The only way to know if one is in denail is to try this, but as i mentioned, it can be dangerous. It's unfortuante that psychonalytic therapy basically got a bad rap when health care expenses grew and after 2nd generation antidepressants were rx'd for mainstream use.
If someone who lives a mental illness free life in other ways has a fear of flying - people might agree that is a psychological illness (a phobia). It might not affect someone's life so much. But if someone gets a job that requires air travel, maybe CBT can help them overcome it and they would try the therapy. But-a fear of flying can be a symptom of something else-a fear of not being in control-resulting from disavowed childhood trauma. It could grow to fear of elevators, fear of riding on public transportation vehicles and extend to fear of being in relationships. Soemone in that situation might need more intense treatmetn that gets to the root of the phobia-the fear of being controlled by another rather than CBT therapy which is used to redirect thoughts.
I think depression can be a symptom of other things, just like the phobia. Because depression is more complex, it can take much longer to discover a treatment that works. Like fear of airplanes is a psychological issue, denial is a psychological issue. Denial has less to do with biology, other than how your brain has chosen to deal with emotional content. The next person might choose to drink alcohol to disavow emotions, ect. Of course depression can be a symptom of heart disease and many other medical issues. Searching for meds can be a good thing as you pointed out, a strong will to get better. I am only rreferring to maladaptive behavior associated with denial, not the other things.
The main point is that the possibility exists that some who have mental illness for many years could use this forum or an endless search for meds (or many other things) to remain in denial. In fact, it might actually be scary to be well, as irrational as that sounds-for someone who's only known a life of depression. And for some who think this could be relevant to their illness, and who haven't exhausted all their options, they might want to try psychoanalytic therapy as another option-because as i said before, it's nearly impossible to be in this therapy and denial at the same time. Since PA is looked down by some professionals or because it is very costly and time consuming, it is sometimes ignored.
That's all i'm saying. People can try PA and still search for medications and still take medications. A person would then know they were formerly in denial if after starting this therapy, they become less and less interested in searching for, talking about, reading about, medications. I don't think anyone knows they are in denial until they have actually come out of denial.
And by the way - when i came here first searching for medication information, i was triggered by some of the posts here. Especially ones that said peoples' illnesses are only a result of chemistry, other things of that nature. Imagine coming back from a war zone, suffering from PTSD, looking for medication help-then coming across posts (proably not ones written by you) that say brain chemistry is the only source of mental illness. Some might be not be bothered by this, but i can say this from personal experience, for me, it used to be like hearing that the traumas experienced have nothing to do with your illness, your suffering. the atrocities you bore witness to or were forced to take part in-doesn't 'count'. Cruel, sometimes sadistic torture does not cause mental illness-it's really all about chemicals, neurotransmitters. There is something wrong with you for having such disabling symptoms, since others came back from the same experiences without PTSD. The emotional triggers, the stigma, works both ways. as someone who has experienced emotional triggers repeatedly, i do understand why you or others would be upset by some of the content of the posts you read here.
Posted by violette on December 26, 2010, at 15:09:36
In reply to Re: Are cancer patients maladaptive too? Dble standard, posted by violette on December 26, 2010, at 9:17:54
About rationalization - people sometimes will argue their claim by posting research that shows ___ fill in the blank.
But - in the next post, use the argument "well, everyone's different", to back up a claim. People can't have it both ways - either everyone has similar qualities or the evidence posted cannot possibly apply to everyone here.
Many of us know about the imperfections of research but I'd say someone who does this MIGHT be using rationalization as a defense and might be in denial. I have no idea who does this, i just have seen it before here and elsewhere.
Posted by emmanuel98 on December 26, 2010, at 20:09:02
In reply to Re: Are cancer patients maladaptive too? Dble standard, posted by violette on December 26, 2010, at 15:09:36
I'd just like to point out that, while psychodynamic therapy is expensive, it is a lot less expensive than hospitalizations for depression and suicide attempts, ECT or other interventions. My insurance company is happy to pay for therapy if only to keep me out of the hospital.
Posted by Maxime on December 26, 2010, at 22:33:01
In reply to Re: *Not* Thinking in terms of meds, posted by morgan miller on December 23, 2010, at 21:44:35
>> Show me someone here who is not relying 99% on some medication to end their suffering and I'll change the word "we" to "some".
I do talk therapy with my psychiatrist, although I have to admit it would be better if I had a psychologist. I can't afford one. The psychiatrist is covered by medicare.
I volunteer, and I work. It would be much easier to stay in bed all day, but working helps me more because it gives my life meaning. Working is not easy though especially since I am teaching. I have to pretend to be happy all the time which drains me SO much. I have cognitive problems from the depression, and it can be really difficult when I am teaching and I can't remember what I just said. Most days I don't want to go to work (or rather get out of bed), but I think of the seniors I am teaching that forces me to get up.
I wish I could go running, but I have not built up the motivation to do that yet. But I do walk my dog twice a day.
So yeah, I don't just rely on meds especially since they do not work that well for me.
Posted by SLS on December 27, 2010, at 12:40:43
In reply to Re: Are cancer patients maladaptive too? Dble standard, posted by morgan miller on December 26, 2010, at 12:55:30
> > How do you know when someone is in denial?
> I believe many people that are close to someone start to realize they are in denial.Okay, then. How do you know when someone is in denial about others not being in denial?
- Scott
Posted by ed_uk2010 on December 27, 2010, at 14:25:24
In reply to Re: Are cancer patients maladaptive too? Dble standard, posted by violette on December 26, 2010, at 15:09:36
Not sure whether I'm in denial, but there are certainly things which I ought to be thinking about which I'm not.
Posted by morgan miller on December 27, 2010, at 21:07:12
In reply to Re: Are cancer patients maladaptive too? Dble standard » morgan miller, posted by SLS on December 27, 2010, at 12:40:43
> > > How do you know when someone is in denial?
>
> > I believe many people that are close to someone start to realize they are in denial.
>
> Okay, then. How do you know when someone is in denial about others not being in denial?
>
>
> - Scott
>You're funny dude
Posted by jerryTRD on December 28, 2010, at 19:55:29
In reply to In denial?, posted by ed_uk2010 on December 27, 2010, at 14:25:24
> Not sure whether I'm in denial, but there are certainly things which I ought to be thinking about which I'm not.
I'd have to agree with Ed. I don't think I'm in denial, but I do think I could work more on other avenues - i.e. therapy, support groups, etc.
Posted by jerryTRD on December 28, 2010, at 20:07:11
In reply to Re: *Not* Thinking in terms of meds, posted by morgan miller on December 23, 2010, at 21:44:35
> >> Show me someone here who is not relying 99% on some medication to end their suffering and I'll change the word "we" to "some".
>
> Here meaning the medication board? I'm assuming so. I go to therapy. I'm taking action to try to get to the bottom of whether I may have some condition causing my fatigue. I take supplements and have a VERY good diet. I will be exercising more when I am not feeling so F*CK*D up. I go to the steam room, stretch, then hit a freezing cold shower 3 to 4 times a week. I will be getting massage therapy and seeing a chiropractor and other specialists to try to heal my musculoskeletal issues.
>
> I believe there are several others that I know of that have talked of their comprehensive and integrative approach to getting better, three of them being Thomatheus, Hombre, and Bleauberry.I finally found a doctor who wanted to run the gambit of blood tests to find out if anything more "biological" was fueling my depression. Found out I had low thyroid and low testosterone both of which can/do contribute to depression. I also have sleep apnea which was found out recently as well.
So I'm still confused - because of my reliance on testosterone replacement, synthroid, and a CPAP machine - does that make me maladaptive, out of touch with reality, etc?
I also have a chiropractor and I take some supplements to help aid my depression.
So I guess I'm still confused if I am putting too much emphasis on non-traditional treatments - meaning NOT on AD meds.
?
Posted by jerryTRD on December 28, 2010, at 20:25:51
In reply to Re: Are cancer patients maladaptive too? Dble standard » violette, posted by SLS on December 26, 2010, at 11:49:33
> > > Maladaptive is when we reject reality.
>
> > That's where it gets problematic and why these types of discussions can be fruitful.
>
> Is it possible that any one person can understand reality enough to reject it?
>
> > Someone who is in denial does not know (and thus will not admit to themself) they have maladaptive behavior to begin with.
>
> How do you know when someone is in denial?
>
> > And someone in denial can become upset when their view of reality is threatened.
>
> I know this isn't about me, but I am curious, as you have read enough of my stuff, do you feel that I am in denial since I know that a single pill is capable of bringing someone into remission from MDD? This is my reality. It is also the reality of a great many other sufferers.
>
> Is there something about the existence of a primary brain malfunction manifesting as MDD that you find unappealing? I do not find anything unappealing about treating depression using psychological methods - especially when it works. For me, this is not an either-or debate about what we colloquially describe as depression and how it is best treated. There are different subtypes of depression as there are different types of cancer. Each type will be amenable to different treatments.
>
> > Also, a person can merge their identity with their illness after time
>
> Certainly. I did this for at least 20 years.
>
> > The illness becomes part of them, and it cannot be seperated from their sense of self.
>
> Not even with the application of psychotherapeutics?
>
> > In this case, someone who is no longer able to for example 'search for medications over and over' will lose their identity,
>
> Or perhaps rediscover it.
>
> My posture is very defensive when people try to apply a schema of psychological pathology to every case of depression. This is a very dangerous falsehood that can lead to suicide. I am quick to become defensive on behalf of those people with biological mental illnesses whom are told otherwise. My being defensive is NOT the result of a perceived assault on my reality. The disease I suffer from is hideously painful and functionally debilitating. It is actually a form of mental suppression or mental oppression rather than mental depression. I just want to get well. I am using every precious thought to facilitate this. For people who are unwilling to embrace the existence of subtypes of depression that are caused by abnormalities in brain function and that are treatable with biological interventions, I am sad. I remember what it was like near the beginning of the establishment of biological psychiatry and psychopharmacology. I had to defend myself not only against the stigma and misconception of the illness, but of its phenomenology and treatment. In the 1980's, some very smart research clinicians could not commit to diagnosing anyone as having a predominantly biological mental illness, despite what their eyes witnessed right in front of them. Drugs can work. ECT can work. Sleep deprivation can work. Insulin shock can work. How does ECT penetrate the psyche to change the dynamics of denial such that it disappears? Does the ECT machinery have to know what the patient's issues are in order for it to work for them? What is true is that the remission of MDD accomplished through biological interventions can finally allow a patient to attack their previously refractory issues with success, whether it be with or without a professional psychotherapist.
>
>
> - Scott
You would think after having my *doctors* try me on every different med cocktail out there that I'd be completely against meds. But as I wrote in an earlier post, when I was first diagnosed and treated with 75mg of Trazadone, I felt for the first time that I was better and I moved on with my life, fell in love, got a job, and never really thought about having to take a med for depression. But when my doctor told me to stop it because HE thought I was "back on track" I quickly fell deeper into darkness. From there on nothing worked the same. But am I to be damned for wanting/hoping for a med that would do the same when it happened before?I'll admit there was a time when I thought meds would fix it all, but through therapy I cam to the realization that they wouldn't. However, I still hope for a new med, not because I'm bored with the ones I'm on now and just want to try a new one. But instead in hopes that it will help end the agony I live everyday.
I'm not in denial. I have not lost my sense of reality - but instead focus on the reality of things too much. I'm not maladaptive, but I'll admit I sometimes I find myself focusing too much on the medication side of things only because I've found the reality of therapeutic techniques at least for me - don't work or haven't worked.
I see a psychologist monthly, a case worker weekly and attend an out-patient support group daily.
I think it's important to note that if I skip out on my support group, I'll tend to isolate more, and the same goes for taking my meds. If I skip a couple days because I either forgot or just didn't think they were working at all - I'll tend to become more depressed and isolate as well. So for me they work symbiotically.
I identify with your posts Scott 100% but haven't been able to write from my point of view so succinctly and to the point as you have done time and time again.
I guess I'm saying I completely agree with everything you're posting. However, I'm not considered as part of this message board's intelligentsia as you are so I believe my comments, posts and views are not received so well or even read.
I do appreciate your posts and how you perceive MDD and its subtypes.
Thank you.
Jerry
Posted by jerryTRD on December 28, 2010, at 20:27:56
In reply to Re: Are cancer patients maladaptive too? Dble standard, posted by morgan miller on December 27, 2010, at 21:07:12
> > > > How do you know when someone is in denial?
> >
> > > I believe many people that are close to someone start to realize they are in denial.
> >
> > Okay, then. How do you know when someone is in denial about others not being in denial?
> >
> >
> > - Scott
> >
>
> You're funny dudeI don't think he was trying to be funny - forgive me if I'm wrong. His question is logical especially with all the philosophical terms and such being thrown around in various posts.
At least that's how I read it.
Jerry
Posted by Phillipa on December 28, 2010, at 21:48:04
In reply to Re: *Not* Thinking in terms of meds » morgan miller, posted by jerryTRD on December 28, 2010, at 20:07:11
Jerry one of the things that goes along with thyroid is depression/anxiety. So that is Axis III I think medical conditions. When's it your body that isn't working right you don't think it not to work so to me not maladative. Phillipa
Posted by jhj on December 28, 2010, at 23:30:54
In reply to Re: *Not* Thinking in terms of meds » jerryTRD, posted by Phillipa on December 28, 2010, at 21:48:04
I am really desperate for some dramatic development on new medication front. I have tried almost all medications available without any improvement. Six bilateral ECTs did not have even slightest positive effect on my symptoms even for short period of time. As far as CBT is concerned i have tried it for few years and i can say that it is no better than a joke. I get really tired even when i am walking so there is no question of running and excercising.
Posted by SLS on December 29, 2010, at 7:33:39
In reply to Re: Are cancer patients maladaptive too? Dble standard » morgan miller, posted by jerryTRD on December 28, 2010, at 20:27:56
> > > > Maladaptive is when we reject reality.
> >
> > > That's where it gets problematic and why these types of discussions can be fruitful.
> >
> > Is it possible that any one person can understand reality enough to reject it?
> >
> > > Someone who is in denial does not know (and thus will not admit to themself) they have maladaptive behavior to begin with.
> >
> > How do you know when someone is in denial?
> >
> > > And someone in denial can become upset when their view of reality is threatened.
> >
> > I know this isn't about me, but I am curious, as you have read enough of my stuff, do you feel that I am in denial since I know that a single pill is capable of bringing someone into remission from MDD? This is my reality. It is also the reality of a great many other sufferers.
> >
> > Is there something about the existence of a primary brain malfunction manifesting as MDD that you find unappealing? I do not find anything unappealing about treating depression using psychological methods - especially when it works. For me, this is not an either-or debate about what we colloquially describe as depression and how it is best treated. There are different subtypes of depression as there are different types of cancer. Each type will be amenable to different treatments.
> >
> > > Also, a person can merge their identity with their illness after time
> >
> > Certainly. I did this for at least 20 years.
> >
> > > The illness becomes part of them, and it cannot be seperated from their sense of self.
> >
> > Not even with the application of psychotherapeutics?
> >
> > > In this case, someone who is no longer able to for example 'search for medications over and over' will lose their identity,
> >
> > Or perhaps rediscover it.
> >
> > My posture is very defensive when people try to apply a schema of psychological pathology to every case of depression. This is a very dangerous falsehood that can lead to suicide. I am quick to become defensive on behalf of those people with biological mental illnesses whom are told otherwise. My being defensive is NOT the result of a perceived assault on my reality. The disease I suffer from is hideously painful and functionally debilitating. It is actually a form of mental suppression or mental oppression rather than mental depression. I just want to get well. I am using every precious thought to facilitate this. For people who are unwilling to embrace the existence of subtypes of depression that are caused by abnormalities in brain function and that are treatable with biological interventions, I am sad. I remember what it was like near the beginning of the establishment of biological psychiatry and psychopharmacology. I had to defend myself not only against the stigma and misconception of the illness, but of its phenomenology and treatment. In the 1980's, some very smart research clinicians could not commit to diagnosing anyone as having a predominantly biological mental illness, despite what their eyes witnessed right in front of them. Drugs can work. ECT can work. Sleep deprivation can work. Insulin shock can work. How does ECT penetrate the psyche to change the dynamics of denial such that it disappears? Does the ECT machinery have to know what the patient's issues are in order for it to work for them? What is true is that the remission of MDD accomplished through biological interventions can finally allow a patient to attack their previously refractory issues with success, whether it be with or without a professional psychotherapist.
> >
> >
> > - Scott
>
>
> You would think after having my *doctors* try me on every different med cocktail out there that I'd be completely against meds. But as I wrote in an earlier post, when I was first diagnosed and treated with 75mg of Trazadone, I felt for the first time that I was better and I moved on with my life, fell in love, got a job, and never really thought about having to take a med for depression. But when my doctor told me to stop it because HE thought I was "back on track" I quickly fell deeper into darkness. From there on nothing worked the same. But am I to be damned for wanting/hoping for a med that would do the same when it happened before?
>
> I'll admit there was a time when I thought meds would fix it all, but through therapy I cam to the realization that they wouldn't. However, I still hope for a new med, not because I'm bored with the ones I'm on now and just want to try a new one. But instead in hopes that it will help end the agony I live everyday.
>
> I'm not in denial. I have not lost my sense of reality - but instead focus on the reality of things too much. I'm not maladaptive, but I'll admit I sometimes I find myself focusing too much on the medication side of things only because I've found the reality of therapeutic techniques at least for me - don't work or haven't worked.
>
> I see a psychologist monthly, a case worker weekly and attend an out-patient support group daily.
>
> I think it's important to note that if I skip out on my support group, I'll tend to isolate more, and the same goes for taking my meds. If I skip a couple days because I either forgot or just didn't think they were working at all - I'll tend to become more depressed and isolate as well. So for me they work symbiotically.
>
> I identify with your posts Scott 100% but haven't been able to write from my point of view so succinctly and to the point as you have done time and time again.
>
> I guess I'm saying I completely agree with everything you're posting. However, I'm not considered as part of this message board's intelligentsia as you are so I believe my comments, posts and views are not received so well or even read.
>
> I do appreciate your posts and how you perceive MDD and its subtypes.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Jerry
>
Posted by ed_uk2010 on December 29, 2010, at 7:54:37
In reply to Re: Are cancer patients maladaptive too? Dble standard » SLS, posted by jerryTRD on December 28, 2010, at 20:25:51
>part of this message board's intelligentsia
I do like that. I had to look it up in the dictionary to check whether it was a real word. Now I must find an excuse to say it.
Posted by jerryTRD on December 29, 2010, at 16:30:16
In reply to Re: Are cancer patients maladaptive too? Dble standard » jerryTRD, posted by ed_uk2010 on December 29, 2010, at 7:54:37
> >part of this message board's intelligentsia
>
> I do like that. I had to look it up in the dictionary to check whether it was a real word. Now I must find an excuse to say it.
>
>
>LOL! I only knew of the word because my mother uses it in jest when talking about her group of friends.
I tend to think of you as a part of this board's intelligentsia. You're a very bright young man!
Posted by jerryTRD on December 29, 2010, at 16:31:02
In reply to Re: Are cancer patients maladaptive too? Dble standard » jerryTRD, posted by SLS on December 29, 2010, at 7:33:39
Scott, you replied to my post - but didn't write anything...??
Posted by jerryTRD on December 29, 2010, at 16:35:24
In reply to *Not* Thinking in terms of meds, posted by linkadge on December 17, 2010, at 18:19:43
I just found this article:
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Placebos workeven without deception
FINDINGS:
Patients who were knowingly given placebos for irritable bowel syndrome experienced significant symptom relief when compared with controls.RELEVANCE:
The fact that placebos may work even when individuals are fully knowledgeable that they are not taking an active drug may bypass the ethical dilemma of deceiving patients.Patients who were knowingly given placebos for irritable bowel syndrome experienced significant symptom relief when compared with controls.
BOSTON, Mass. (Dec. 22, 2010) For most of us, the placebo effect is synonymous with the power of positive thinking; it works because you believe youre taking a real drug. But a new study rattles this assumption.Researchers at Harvard Medical Schools Osher Research Center and Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center (BIDMC) have found that placebos work even when administered without the seemingly requisite deception.
The study is published December 22 in PLoS ONE.
Placebosor dummy pillsare typically used in clinical trials as controls for potential new medications. Even though they contain no active ingredients, patients often respond to them. In fact, data on placebos is so compelling that many American physicians (one study estimates 50 percent) secretly give placebos to unsuspecting patients.
Because such deception is ethically questionable, HMS associate professor of medicine Ted Kaptchuk teamed up with colleagues at BIDMC to explore whether or not the power of placebos can be harnessed honestly and respectfully.
To do this, 80 patients suffering from irritable bowel syndrome (IBS) were divided into two groups: one group, the controls, received no treatment, while the other group received a regimen of placeboshonestly described as like sugar pillswhich they were instructed to take twice daily.
Not only did we make it absolutely clear that these pills had no active ingredient and were made from inert substances, but we actually had placebo printed on the bottle, says Kaptchuk. We told the patients that they didnt have to even believe in the placebo effect. Just take the pills.
For a three-week period, the patients were monitored. By the end of the trial, nearly twice as many patients treated with the placebo reported adequate symptom relief as compared to the control group (59 percent vs. 35 percent). Also, on other outcome measures, patients taking the placebo doubled their rates of improvement to a degree roughly equivalent to the effects of the most powerful IBS medications.
I didnt think it would work, says senior author Anthony Lembo, HMS associate professor of medicine at BIDMC and an expert on IBS. I felt awkward asking patients to literally take a placebo. But to my surprise, it seemed to work for many of them.
The authors caution that this study is small and limited in scope and simply opens the door to the notion that placebos are effective even for the fully informed patienta hypothesis that will need to be confirmed in larger trials.
Nevertheless, says Kaptchuk, these findings suggest that rather than mere positive thinking, there may be significant benefit to the very performance of medical ritual. Im excited about studying this further. Placebo may work even if patients knows it is a placebo.
This study was funded by the National Center for Complementary and Alternative Medicine and Osher Research Center, Harvard Medical School.
Written by David Cameron.
Full article
http://hms.harvard.edu/public/news/2010/122210_kaptchuk/
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Especially the quote: "Nevertheless, says Kaptchuk, these findings suggest that rather than mere positive thinking, there may be significant benefit to the very performance of medical ritual."Am I on the same page as you Link or am I way off?
-Jerry
Posted by jerryTRD on December 29, 2010, at 16:44:27
In reply to Link, is this PART of what you're getting at? » linkadge, posted by jerryTRD on December 29, 2010, at 16:35:24
Posted by SLS on December 29, 2010, at 18:02:05
In reply to Re: Are cancer patients maladaptive too? Dble standard » SLS, posted by jerryTRD on December 29, 2010, at 16:31:02
> Scott, you replied to my post - but didn't write anything...??
My apologies
My posts have not been very coherent this week. Most of the time, I don't have the mental energy and concentration to process the written word. My memory and executive function are significantly impaired. I don't know what keeps me coming back to Psycho-Babble. For me, the social interactions are more important than the content of the discussions.
- Scott
Posted by Maxime on December 29, 2010, at 19:54:09
In reply to Re: Are cancer patients maladaptive too? Dble standard » jerryTRD, posted by SLS on December 29, 2010, at 18:02:05
> > Scott, you replied to my post - but didn't write anything...??
>
> My apologies
>
> My posts have not been very coherent this week. Most of the time, I don't have the mental energy and concentration to process the written word. My memory and executive function are significantly impaired. I don't know what keeps me coming back to Psycho-Babble. For me, the social interactions are more important than the content of the discussions.
>
>
> - ScottScott, I think we have made a post with nothing in it at least once. Or written a post and accidently hit "no message, just above subject".
Your posts are very coherent. Maybe you they are not to your high standards but they are coherent and extremly well written.
I hope you don't leave PB. We would be lost without you.
Hugs, Maxime
Posted by jerryTRD on December 29, 2010, at 22:59:10
In reply to Re: Are cancer patients maladaptive too? Dble standard » jerryTRD, posted by SLS on December 29, 2010, at 18:02:05
> > Scott, you replied to my post - but didn't write anything...??
>
> My apologies
>
> My posts have not been very coherent this week. Most of the time, I don't have the mental energy and concentration to process the written word. My memory and executive function are significantly impaired. I don't know what keeps me coming back to Psycho-Babble. For me, the social interactions are more important than the content of the discussions.
>
>
> - ScottNo need to apologize my friend. I do think you have a lot of friends here and I am one of them who is grateful you keep coming back to this forum and contributing.please don't leave!!
Hope you feel better....
Jerry
Posted by jerryTRD on December 29, 2010, at 23:00:02
In reply to Re: Are cancer patients maladaptive too? Dble standard » SLS, posted by Maxime on December 29, 2010, at 19:54:09
> > > Scott, you replied to my post - but didn't write anything...??
> >
> > My apologies
> >
> > My posts have not been very coherent this week. Most of the time, I don't have the mental energy and concentration to process the written word. My memory and executive function are significantly impaired. I don't know what keeps me coming back to Psycho-Babble. For me, the social interactions are more important than the content of the discussions.
> >
> >
> > - Scott
>
> Scott, I think we have made a post with nothing in it at least once. Or written a post and accidently hit "no message, just above subject".
>
> Your posts are very coherent. Maybe you they are not to your high standards but they are coherent and extremly well written.
>
> I hope you don't leave PB. We would be lost without you.
>
> Hugs, Maxime
>
>i agree with maxime! Please don't leave!
Jerry
Posted by SLS on December 30, 2010, at 4:16:20
In reply to Re: Are cancer patients maladaptive too? Dble standard, posted by jerryTRD on December 29, 2010, at 23:00:02
> > > > Scott, you replied to my post - but didn't write anything...??
> > >
> > > My apologies
> > >
> > > My posts have not been very coherent this week. Most of the time, I don't have the mental energy and concentration to process the written word. My memory and executive function are significantly impaired. I don't know what keeps me coming back to Psycho-Babble. For me, the social interactions are more important than the content of the discussions.
> > >
> > >
> > > - Scott
> >
> > Scott, I think we have made a post with nothing in it at least once. Or written a post and accidently hit "no message, just above subject".
> >
> > Your posts are very coherent. Maybe you they are not to your high standards but they are coherent and extremly well written.
> >
> > I hope you don't leave PB. We would be lost without you.
> >
> > Hugs, Maxime
> >
> >
>
> i agree with maxime! Please don't leave!
>
> JerryThis is very welcome news. Thanks for the affirmations.
- Scott
Posted by jerryTRD on December 30, 2010, at 15:24:36
In reply to Are cancer patients maladaptive too? » Everyone!, posted by SLS on December 30, 2010, at 4:16:20
Yes Scott - you are surrounded by many good people here who care about you and who look up to you and your knowledge of pharmacology and MDD, etc. I was going to Babblemail you to tell you all this but you seem to have it turned off - but that's ok.
We care about you and don't want you to leave.
All my best
Jerry
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