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Posted by Frequent Fryer on November 6, 2010, at 2:49:26
Hi all.
Looking for a little advice.
I have Major Major Depression / Social Anxiety and am currently on 105mg's of Phenelzine (Nardil) but its gonna poop out on me soon.Do you think I should switch to 10mg's of Selegiline + DL Phenylanaline + 5htp + ??????????
Or just 60mg's of Selegiline?
I might start off with just low dose Selegiline + lots of other goodies BUT WOULD LOVE TO HERE FROM OTHER EXPERIENCED USERS THE BEST THINGS TO AUGMENT IT WITH.
Thanks heaps!
MAOI's rule and are the key to advanced brain function!
Peace!
Posted by Maxime on November 6, 2010, at 15:03:09
In reply to SUPER ADVANCED TWEAKED SELEGILINE COCKTAIL!!!!!!!!, posted by Frequent Fryer on November 6, 2010, at 2:49:26
Why do you think the Nardil will poop out on you soon? Do you already feel it doing that? I would stick with the Nardil and look into way to augment it like adding a TCA or adding Abilify.
I just don't think Selegiline will offer you the same relief as Nardil.
Posted by Frequent Fryer on November 6, 2010, at 21:11:36
In reply to Re: SUPER ADVANCED TWEAKED SELEGILINE COCKTAIL!!!!!!!! » Frequent Fryer, posted by Maxime on November 6, 2010, at 15:03:09
> Why do you think the Nardil will poop out on you soon? Do you already feel it doing that? I would stick with the Nardil and look into way to augment it like adding a TCA or adding Abilify.
> I just don't think Selegiline will offer you the same relief as Nardil.Yeah your fully right actually. Im going to take your advice because Selegiline is expensive and yeah.
Ive taken Nardil on 12 seperate occasions and it always poops out after a month after its onset of action.
The problem is my blood preasure is high and I have heaps of extreme side effects. I am an inpatient at the moment so my doc will be fairly leanient on augmentators.
Tricyclics are a popular augmentator arn't they and I like the properties of Abilify even though it hasn't helped me on its own.Any official links to studies on Nardil augmentators would be much appreciated.
I will do a search in the mean time.Cheers!
Posted by ggggg123 on November 7, 2010, at 16:49:40
In reply to SUPER ADVANCED TWEAKED SELEGILINE COCKTAIL!!!!!!!!, posted by Frequent Fryer on November 6, 2010, at 2:49:26
What about trying 450mg of venlafaxine, its supposed to be very effective at high doses. At this dose it is more an NDRI, but below 150mg it is very serotonergic.
Posted by Conundrum on November 7, 2010, at 21:47:59
In reply to Re: SUPER ADVANCED TWEAKED SELEGILINE COCKTAIL!!!!!!!!, posted by ggggg123 on November 7, 2010, at 16:49:40
> What about trying 450mg of venlafaxine, its supposed to be very effective at high doses. At this dose it is more an NDRI, but below 150mg it is very serotonergic.
I think you mean SNDRI. ?
Posted by Maxime on November 7, 2010, at 22:51:35
In reply to Re: SUPER ADVANCED TWEAKED SELEGILINE COCKTAIL!!!!!!!! » Maxime, posted by Frequent Fryer on November 6, 2010, at 21:11:36
Have you ever tried Parnate? Did it last longer than the Nardil?
Posted by Maxime on November 7, 2010, at 22:52:50
In reply to Re: SUPER ADVANCED TWEAKED SELEGILINE COCKTAIL!!!!!!!!, posted by ggggg123 on November 7, 2010, at 16:49:40
> What about trying 450mg of venlafaxine, its supposed to be very effective at high doses. At this dose it is more an NDRI, but below 150mg it is very serotonergic.
I think he would prefer to stick within the MAOI family, but I could be wrong.
Posted by Frequent Fryer on November 7, 2010, at 23:17:28
In reply to Re: SUPER ADVANCED TWEAKED SELEGILINE COCKTAIL!!!!!!!! » Frequent Fryer, posted by Maxime on November 7, 2010, at 22:51:35
> Have you ever tried Parnate? Did it last longer than the Nardil?
Parnate gives me wickid bad blood pressure spikes I'm not going to touch it again.
Started Nortriptiline just then.... Hopefully it dosn't push my Blood preasure up.
Posted by Frequent Fryer on November 7, 2010, at 23:27:37
In reply to Re: SUPER ADVANCED TWEAKED SELEGILINE COCKTAIL!!!!!!!! » ggggg123, posted by Maxime on November 7, 2010, at 22:52:50
> > What about trying 450mg of venlafaxine, its supposed to be very effective at high doses. At this dose it is more an NDRI, but below 150mg it is very serotonergic.
>
> I think he would prefer to stick within the MAOI family, but I could be wrong.Nah I'm willing to dabble. I'm not a hardcore Neuro Pharmacologist but from memory of what I have read apparently TCA's are safer with MAOI's then SNRI's / SSRI's etc.
My blood preasure is already naturally high from dabbling with Phenelzine and stimulants...
I'll let you know how it goes... Aslong as my BP is ok probably give the Nortrip atleast 3 weeks for a fair trial yeah?
Posted by Maxime on November 7, 2010, at 23:56:39
In reply to Re: SUPER ADVANCED TWEAKED SELEGILINE COCKTAIL!!!!!!!! » Maxime, posted by Frequent Fryer on November 7, 2010, at 23:27:37
>
> Nah I'm willing to dabble. I'm not a hardcore Neuro Pharmacologist but from memory of what I have read apparently TCA's are safer with MAOI's then SNRI's / SSRI's etc.
>
> My blood preasure is already naturally high from dabbling with Phenelzine and stimulants...
>
> I'll let you know how it goes... Aslong as my BP is ok probably give the Nortrip atleast 3 weeks for a fair trial yeah?Three weeks sounds like a fair trial. What dosage are you aiming for?
Posted by ggggg123 on November 8, 2010, at 6:32:31
In reply to Re: SUPER ADVANCED TWEAKED SELEGILINE COCKTAIL!!!!!!!!, posted by Conundrum on November 7, 2010, at 21:47:59
sorry an sndri, what I meant was it becomes more noradrenergic and dopaminergic than the low doses, thanks for your wisdom conundrum.
Posted by ggggg123 on November 8, 2010, at 6:34:28
In reply to Re: SUPER ADVANCED TWEAKED SELEGILINE COCKTAIL!!!!!!!! » ggggg123, posted by Maxime on November 7, 2010, at 22:52:50
Thank you for the input?
Posted by ggggg123 on November 8, 2010, at 8:31:04
In reply to Re: SUPER ADVANCED TWEAKED SELEGILINE COCKTAIL!!!!!!!!, posted by ggggg123 on November 7, 2010, at 16:49:40
more an* is the operative phrase in my comment. Therefore implying it is more an ndri at higher doses than it is at lower doses, as this would imply that this verb is relating to the adjective (ndri) in respect to the adjective(higher doses), therefore imperatively implying that venlafaxine is less of an NDRI at lower doses, which unfortunately may not indicate that the serotonin activity is there or remains unchanged.
My comment was poorly written and confusing, as it can be perceived as meaning to different outcomes. It was a friendly piece of advice, maybe somewhat presumptuous, assuming that the discerning receiver of my comment, was aware of Venlafaxine's potent serotonergic activity, I never stated reduced or absent serotonergic involvement.
All the b**ching on this Website is pretty pathetic, do yourselves a favour, go and get better, and stop reading this god damn website just to criticize! every comment I have made has received unnecessary replies, of no help to any parties.
You may have a little bit of knowledge about medications, but what you cynical people lack are basic decent manners and the knowledge of how to get better, maybe you should start by stopping the pointless replies, your damn cynical nature reflected by your comments is, in my opinion what ultimately prevents you from recovering.I and some others come on here for people's experince's and advice, not for pathetically childish criticism, this website is deeply flawed and full of a minority, of horrible bad mannered individuals, who will only bring themselves and the site down. if you don't like what you read don't read it, but please don't voice your useless conniving opinions.
Now go and get another hobby, and stop harrassing people. You feed on peoples comments, you love them! just so you can fulfill your pathetic passtime.
Now go and learn your hellos, pleases, thank yous and good byes
I hope there are many criticisms of this statment, picking up on errors etc. But I wouldn't bother as I won't be coming back to read them.
good bye, i hope i get banned. this website is depressing, some of the people are very helpful, I think ill stick to the people i know in real life. Good night.
Posted by Conundrum on November 8, 2010, at 10:19:06
In reply to Re: why does one always receive malevolent replies » ggggg123, posted by ggggg123 on November 8, 2010, at 8:31:04
> more an* is the operative phrase in my comment. Therefore implying it is more an ndri at higher doses than it is at lower doses, as this would imply that this verb is relating to the adjective (ndri) in respect to the adjective(higher doses), therefore imperatively implying that venlafaxine is less of an NDRI at lower doses, which unfortunately may not indicate that the serotonin activity is there or remains unchanged.
>
> My comment was poorly written and confusing, as it can be perceived as meaning to different outcomes. It was a friendly piece of advice, maybe somewhat presumptuous, assuming that the discerning receiver of my comment, was aware of Venlafaxine's potent serotonergic activity, I never stated reduced or absent serotonergic involvement.Ok, so you admit it was poorly written and confusing, so there is nothing wrong with making it clearer, for the reader, otherwise it would be a diservice to them. People correct things I say and I don't get bent out of shape. It was Scott, I think, that just corrected me about reboxetine, that it does not have anticholonergic activity. Thats a good thing, since now you won't get the wrong idea about it, and I'm better informed about the drug.
Part of posting on a forum is that someone will criticize your ideas, hopefully in a way that is beneficial. I'm not sure what other forums you've posted on but most people here, don't get off on correcting peoples posts, but if its something obvious like in this post, someone will correct it.
Anyway, I meant nothing personal by it, so come back if you read this. I won't bother you with my ideas.
Posted by ggggg123 on November 8, 2010, at 10:41:44
In reply to Re: why does one always receive malevolent replies, posted by Conundrum on November 8, 2010, at 10:19:06
ok, does that make you feel big and powerful now?
simple manners are a miss! maybe you didn't get that bit of my post.
Manners are what sets the tone of a comment.
Maybe its your condition or whatever but its quite annoying.
Isn't the aim of this site to support each other through a tough time? not everything people write will be perfect, they would expect to be corrected, but in a polite and helpful manner.
Posted by Maxime on November 8, 2010, at 21:34:18
In reply to Re: why does one always receive malevolent replies, posted by ggggg123 on November 8, 2010, at 10:41:44
> ok, does that make you feel big and powerful now?
>
> simple manners are a miss! maybe you didn't get that bit of my post.
> Manners are what sets the tone of a comment.
> Maybe its your condition or whatever but its quite annoying.
> Isn't the aim of this site to support each other through a tough time? not everything people write will be perfect, they would expect to be corrected, but in a polite and helpful manner.
>
>And you call me a bitch? Meow!
Posted by Maxime on November 8, 2010, at 21:44:43
In reply to Re: why does one always receive malevolent replies, posted by ggggg123 on November 8, 2010, at 10:41:44
> ok, does that make you feel big and powerful now?
>
> simple manners are a miss! maybe you didn't get that bit of my post.
> Manners are what sets the tone of a comment.
> Maybe its your condition or whatever but its quite annoying.
> Isn't the aim of this site to support each other through a tough time? not everything people write will be perfect, they would expect to be corrected, but in a polite and helpful manner.
>
>I think you are very rude and mean. You come here and put people down if they do not agree with you. Conundrum has never been rude.
Posted by Maxime on November 8, 2010, at 21:49:16
In reply to Re: why does one always receive malevolent replies » ggggg123, posted by ggggg123 on November 8, 2010, at 8:31:04
> > I and some others come on here for people's experince's and advice, not for pathetically childish criticism, this website is deeply flawed and full of a minority, of horrible bad mannered individuals, who will only bring themselves and the site down. if you don't like what you read don't read it, but please don't voice your useless conniving opinions.
>
> Now go and get another hobby, and stop harrassing people. You feed on peoples comments, you love them! just so you can fulfill your pathetic passtime.
>
> Now go and learn your hellos, pleases, thank yous and good byes
>
> I hope there are many criticisms of this statment, picking up on errors etc. But I wouldn't bother as I won't be coming back to read them.
> good bye, i hope i get banned. this website is depressing, some of the people are very helpful, I think ill stick to the people i know in real life. Good night.Good bye. I hope you find what you are looking for at another forum perhaps.
Posted by Deputy Racer on November 9, 2010, at 14:02:12
In reply to Re: why does one always receive malevolent replies » ggggg123, posted by ggggg123 on November 8, 2010, at 8:31:04
> All the b**ching on this Website is pretty pathetic, do yourselves a favour, go and get better, and stop reading this god damn website just to criticize! every comment I have made has received unnecessary replies, of no help to any parties.
> You may have a little bit of knowledge about medications, but what you cynical people lack are basic decent manners and the knowledge of how to get better, maybe you should start by stopping the pointless replies, your damn cynical nature reflected by your comments is, in my opinion what ultimately prevents you from recovering.Please don't post anything which could lead others to feel accused or put down. If you feel a post is not helpful, you're welcome to ignore its contents. If you feel a post is offensive, please notify the administrators of this site, by using the notify administrators button on the bottom of the post. The best option for some people here is to take what is most helpful for you and ignore the rest.
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Posted by Deputy Racer on November 9, 2010, at 14:06:51
In reply to Re: why does one always receive malevolent replies » ggggg123, posted by Maxime on November 8, 2010, at 21:44:43
> I think you are very rude and mean. You come here and put people down if they do not agree with you.Please don't post anything which would lead others to feel accused or put down. I understand that you feel hurt, and that administrative action has been inconsistent lately, but please use the notification system when you feel a post violates the civility rules for the site.
If you have any questions regarding the posting policies on this site, please read the FAQ, located at http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil Follow ups to this action should be directed to the Administration board and should themselves be civil.
Dr Bob has ultimate authority over all administrative issues on this site, and may choose at any time to revise or reverse any action taken by a deputy.
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Posted by djmmm on November 9, 2010, at 15:43:26
In reply to SUPER ADVANCED TWEAKED SELEGILINE COCKTAIL!!!!!!!!, posted by Frequent Fryer on November 6, 2010, at 2:49:26
> Hi all.
> Looking for a little advice.
> I have Major Major Depression / Social Anxiety and am currently on 105mg's of Phenelzine (Nardil) but its gonna poop out on me soon.
>
> Do you think I should switch to 10mg's of Selegiline + DL Phenylanaline + 5htp + ??????????
>
> Or just 60mg's of Selegiline?
>
> I might start off with just low dose Selegiline + lots of other goodies BUT WOULD LOVE TO HERE FROM OTHER EXPERIENCED USERS THE BEST THINGS TO AUGMENT IT WITH.
>
> Thanks heaps!
>
> MAOI's rule and are the key to advanced brain function!
>
> Peace!Have you considered a low dose of phenylethylamine (PEA) or some adaptogenic herbs like Rhodiola?
Posted by Frequent Fryer on November 9, 2010, at 19:28:47
In reply to Re: SUPER ADVANCED TWEAKED SELEGILINE COCKTAIL!!!!!!!! » Frequent Fryer, posted by Maxime on November 7, 2010, at 23:56:39
100 I think it is, my Psych offered me umm whats it called.... Valdoxan today, (must have just been approved over here in Australia) But I will stick with my current regime, I havn't heard much positive stuff about it have you Maxime?
Posted by Lou Pilder on November 10, 2010, at 6:04:04
In reply to Re: SUPER ADVANCED TWEAKED SELEGILINE COCKTAIL!!!!!!!! » Maxime, posted by Frequent Fryer on November 6, 2010, at 21:11:36
> > Why do you think the Nardil will poop out on you soon? Do you already feel it doing that? I would stick with the Nardil and look into way to augment it like adding a TCA or adding Abilify.
> > I just don't think Selegiline will offer you the same relief as Nardil.
>
> Yeah your fully right actually. Im going to take your advice because Selegiline is expensive and yeah.
> Ive taken Nardil on 12 seperate occasions and it always poops out after a month after its onset of action.
> The problem is my blood preasure is high and I have heaps of extreme side effects. I am an inpatient at the moment so my doc will be fairly leanient on augmentators.
> Tricyclics are a popular augmentator arn't they and I like the properties of Abilify even though it hasn't helped me on its own.
>
> Any official links to studies on Nardil augmentators would be much appreciated.
> I will do a search in the mean time.
>
> Cheers!FF,
You wrote,[...Any official links...would be much appreciated...]
I have an large body of research concerning your request. However, there is a directive to me here from Mr. Hsiung as I understand that I can not tell othere how to find infomation that he deems to be of the nature that could include the historical development of psychotropic drugs from one of the most, if not the most, important period of human history which I am prohibited from posting links to here.
I think that the infomation that I could tell you how to find could be life-saving and/or have the potential to have you consider the facts concerning the drugs that could cause a life-ruining condition. I am in dialog with Mr. Hsiung to have him answer my requests to him so that I can continue to find a way to get this infomation to others here. Here is a link to my outstanding requests to Mr. Hsiung.
Lou
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20101014/msgs/969449.html
Posted by Lou Pilder on November 10, 2010, at 6:10:37
In reply to SUPER ADVANCED TWEAKED SELEGILINE COCKTAIL!!!!!!!!, posted by Frequent Fryer on November 6, 2010, at 2:49:26
> Hi all.
> Looking for a little advice.
> I have Major Major Depression / Social Anxiety and am currently on 105mg's of Phenelzine (Nardil) but its gonna poop out on me soon.
>
> Do you think I should switch to 10mg's of Selegiline + DL Phenylanaline + 5htp + ??????????
>
> Or just 60mg's of Selegiline?
>
> I might start off with just low dose Selegiline + lots of other goodies BUT WOULD LOVE TO HERE FROM OTHER EXPERIENCED USERS THE BEST THINGS TO AUGMENT IT WITH.
>
> Thanks heaps!
>
> MAOI's rule and are the key to advanced brain function!
>
> Peace!FF,
You wrote,[...MAOI's..are the key to advanced brain function...].
I am unsure as to what you are wanting to mean here. If you could post answers to the following, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
A. What facts do you use to substantiate your claim here that MAOI's are the key to advanced brain functioning?
B. redacted by respondent
Lou
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