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Posted by g_g_g_unit on September 3, 2009, at 1:35:59
In reply to Re: Withdrawing ... rough times » Phillipa, posted by maxime on September 2, 2009, at 21:22:55
hey maxime, just wanna wish you best of luck. i don't really have any advice. if you're ever bored and wanna chat, i'm here . take care
Posted by bleauberry on September 3, 2009, at 18:33:41
In reply to Withdrawing ... rough times, posted by maxime on September 2, 2009, at 16:20:42
Yeah, that is tough. Real tough. Damn, I wish you didn't have to go through that. It's bad enough having bad side effects, or being depressed while on a med that is supposed to uplift instead. But to be even more depressed coming off of them is a cruel irony of psychiatric.
I was moderately depressed before Cymbalta. I was made even more depressed while on it. Then when I weaned off it, it made me yet even more depressed. God I was so far from my baseline I thought I'ld never get back.
But I did. It does get better.
We're all different. The best thing I could do, and the best thing I think anyone can do, is to stay busy in order to distract and pass time. The worst thing to do is watch the clock. Staying busy could be anything...window shopping a mall, walking somewhere, working, house chores, water the lawn, pull weeds, buy some oil colors or acrylic colors and paint landscapes on cardboard or wood or canvas even if you don't paint, put headphones on and dance till you drop....movement is good, creativity is good. Keep moving. Keep the mind occupied.
None of it will be desirable thinking of doing it. All of it will be an extreme effort to get started. Much of it will not be enjoyable. I mean, come on, how can someone enjoy a walk when they feel deathly depressed? Can't. Impossible. But, and a big but, it passes time, it fills the senses, it offers momentarily distractions, and it helps the day fly by faster. That's what we want. Days to fly by fast. Staying busy and moving does that. Here and there, there will actually be some momentary decent moments you would not have experienced otherwise. They are worth the effort. Stepping stones.
Heavy exertion, I mean like really moving, will also stimulate the noradrenergic pathways and give a slight natural lift to help you through.
Hard when you are so tired and depressed, believe me, I know. But it is SOOO important to just do it. I don't know of any other helpful things to make the clock go faster than that.
In my own limited experience with the two meds in question, Parnate blows Cymbalta absolutely in the weeds, so you have that to look forward to. Now get out and get moving doing something.
Posted by Maxime on September 3, 2009, at 21:18:13
In reply to Re: Withdrawing ... rough times, posted by g_g_g_unit on September 3, 2009, at 1:35:59
Thanks for your good wishes. They mean a lot to me.
Posted by Maxime on September 3, 2009, at 21:19:21
In reply to Re: Withdrawing ... rough times, posted by bleauberry on September 3, 2009, at 18:33:41
I try to keep doing things on a daily basis. I am not working right now which makes it tough. I am working on my application to do my PhD and that keeps me busy. I also exercise everyday.
Thanks for the tips!
Posted by maxime on September 4, 2009, at 10:54:04
In reply to Withdrawing ... rough times, posted by maxime on September 2, 2009, at 16:20:42
So I saw my pdoc this morning. He still doesn't want to prescribe the nortriptyline to take with the Parnate.Sigh. He isn't usually this stubborn.
I see him in two weeks to get the script for the Parnate.
I'm off to Vermont for the weekend. bye
Posted by maxime on September 7, 2009, at 16:03:10
In reply to Re: Withdrawing ... rough times, posted by maxime on September 4, 2009, at 10:54:04
God, I am feeling bad. Really depressed and unable to focus. I want it to go away before I take matters into my own hands.
Posted by maxime on September 7, 2009, at 16:26:52
In reply to Re: Withdrawing ... rough times, posted by maxime on September 7, 2009, at 16:03:10
It's weird that I can positive for other people on the board, but when it comes to myself, I am all negative and hopeless.
Posted by Nadezda on September 7, 2009, at 16:41:52
In reply to Re: Withdrawing ... rough times, posted by maxime on September 7, 2009, at 16:26:52
I used to be-- am and still somewhat-- that way, too. My T used to point it out all the time.
This may sound dumb, but I really think being positive about yourself is something you can practice and learn. If you try thinking about a situation and use this thought experiment. Try thinking, "omg, this is hopeless." Then try thinking, "I can do this. I know I can."-- or well, something that you might say to yourself to mean one or the other.
And you'll find, I think-- I certainly did-- that saying one made me feel much worse, and saying the other actually made me feel better. At the very least, the first makes you feel worse and the second doesn't..
I find that incredibly useful to know.
Of course, putting it into effect to the point where it changes you life is a lot of work but-- you can actually do it.
I don't know if the thought experiment will show anything for you, I know this is a rough time. But it does have the effect for a lot of people-- again, just as a thought experiment about how much control what you say to yourself about situations-- which you can change-- has over how you feel about yourself, and what you can do.
I'm sorry about how hard things are now and I hope things get better soon.
Nadezda
Posted by maxime on September 7, 2009, at 20:07:22
In reply to Re: Withdrawing ... rough times » maxime, posted by Nadezda on September 7, 2009, at 16:41:52
Thank you very much for your suggestions. I will try them. Thanks for your concern.
Posted by Phillipa on September 7, 2009, at 20:46:30
In reply to Re: Withdrawing ... rough times » Nadezda, posted by maxime on September 7, 2009, at 20:07:22
Maxie did you feel any better when away? Oh I do know the feeling hence all my posting on babble. Phillipa
Posted by maxime on September 7, 2009, at 21:31:28
In reply to Re: Withdrawing ... rough times » maxime, posted by Phillipa on September 7, 2009, at 20:46:30
No, I was unable to experience any joy or improved mood whilst in Vermont.
Posted by maxime on September 8, 2009, at 8:40:20
In reply to Withdrawing ... rough times, posted by maxime on September 2, 2009, at 16:20:42
Today I heard that I didn't get a job that I had two interviews for. I f*ck*ng hate myself!!! Loser.
Posted by floatingbridge on September 8, 2009, at 10:24:09
In reply to Re: Withdrawing ... rough times, posted by maxime on September 8, 2009, at 8:40:20
Maxine, that is very untimely news--I am so sorry.
To me, you are very dear. I think of you as competent, intelligent, successful, caring, and very professional. You'll land the right position, and you'll be feeling much better on parnate. Disappointing news (and pain) comes and goes. (Though we can habituate ourselves to believe them more permanent--I speak for myself.) Your core strength, and your friends here, remain.
lots of love today,
fb
Posted by maxime on September 8, 2009, at 15:30:20
In reply to Re: Withdrawing ... rough times » maxime, posted by floatingbridge on September 8, 2009, at 10:24:09
Thanks FB. When I am not feeling well, everything seems like a disaster that I cannot survive. I've been through rough times before and I have always come out of the them briefly. I've decided that I am going on a trip to Calgary to see some old friends. I need to get away from here to clear my head. Thanks again FB.I needed those hugs.
Posted by maxime on September 8, 2009, at 19:46:52
In reply to Re: Withdrawing ... rough times » floatingbridge, posted by maxime on September 8, 2009, at 15:30:20
Great. My friend doesn't want me to come to Calgary to visit her because she wants to work with her horses. I am really upset and crying now. I really can't take all this rejection. I want to die.
Posted by Phillipa on September 8, 2009, at 20:55:47
In reply to Re: Withdrawing ... rough times, posted by maxime on September 8, 2009, at 19:46:52
Maxie keep on posting occupies the mind and you have always been very successful. And will be again. I have complete confidence in you as have known for many years. Love Phillipa
Posted by maxime on September 8, 2009, at 21:28:42
In reply to Re: Withdrawing ... rough times » maxime, posted by Phillipa on September 8, 2009, at 20:55:47
Thanks for your kind words Phillipa. I don't feel very competent right now. I feel like a loser.
What if the Parnate doesn't work? Then what? I CAN'T LIVE LIKE THIS!!!1
Posted by Phillipa on September 8, 2009, at 22:00:08
In reply to Re: Withdrawing ... rough times » Phillipa, posted by maxime on September 8, 2009, at 21:28:42
Maxie I don't know but we will think of something brainstorm. Love Phillipa
Posted by maxime on September 9, 2009, at 18:06:07
In reply to Re: Withdrawing ... rough times » maxime, posted by Phillipa on September 8, 2009, at 22:00:08
Thanks Phillipa, but i think I am running out of options at the moment and it's not a good feeling at ALL.
Posted by Maxime on September 10, 2009, at 9:31:29
In reply to Re: Withdrawing ... rough times » Phillipa, posted by maxime on September 9, 2009, at 18:06:07
Turns out I am going to Calgary afterall. I will be going on the 19th and staying two weeks. Ah, two weeks with mountains and horses. It doesn't get any better. Finally, something positive!
Posted by floatingbridge on September 10, 2009, at 9:50:04
In reply to Re: Withdrawing ... rough times, posted by Maxime on September 10, 2009, at 9:31:29
Yahoo!!
: )
fb
Posted by Phillipa on September 10, 2009, at 20:26:12
In reply to Re: Withdrawing ... rough times » Maxime, posted by floatingbridge on September 10, 2009, at 9:50:04
Maxie that is good news!!!! Phillipa
Posted by Maxime on September 11, 2009, at 10:52:55
In reply to Re: Withdrawing ... rough times, posted by Phillipa on September 10, 2009, at 20:26:12
And it gets even better. I just landed an interview in Calgary for job where I used to work when I lived there. I am beyond excited now. :)
Posted by Phillipa on September 11, 2009, at 20:25:42
In reply to Re: Withdrawing ... rough times » Phillipa, posted by Maxime on September 11, 2009, at 10:52:55
Maxie well super congratulations!!!!!! Good for you. Where is this part of C? You know me and geography Phillipa
Posted by Maxime on September 12, 2009, at 7:52:37
In reply to Re: Withdrawing ... rough times » Maxime, posted by Phillipa on September 11, 2009, at 20:25:42
Calgary is above Colorado. About 2500 miles away from where I live now.
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