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Posted by bleauberry on January 24, 2009, at 17:03:05
So my doctor has said she has no problem at all in giving me Nardil, Parnate, Lexapro+Abilify, Lexapro+Risperdal, Lexapro+Seroquel, or Effexor.
I've noticed a trend here and at other sites where lexapro by itself has mixed reviews, and with me was not a promising experience, but that when combined with one of those three antipsychotics it is a totally new drug with frequent good outcomes. Effexor I've never tried. The MAOIs I've never tried.
I have Parnate onhand and it looks to be the first up for trial. Being real sensitive I would probably start at 5mg and go by feel after that.
So I need help on the diet restrictions. I realize some people have no problems at all. But I want to be oversafe to start with. Below I will list foods I eat commonly. Please tell me which ones I can no longer eat. Also list other foods I defininitely need to avoid. Thank you so much!
Milk
Half n Half
Sour Cream
Yogurt
All breads, cereals, pastas are rice, corn, or quinoa based...no wheat, no barley, no beans (I am gluten free)
Chocolate semisweet chips
Chocolate ice cream
Chocolate milk shakes
Three Muskateers Bar
Fried, Baked, or Boiled Chicken
Fried, Baked, or Boiled Beef
Fried, Baked, or Boiled Pork
Pepperoni
Sandwich Ham
Hot Dogs
Potatoes...chips, baked, mashed.
Lettuces
Tomotoes
Avaocados
Cucumbers
Peppers, green, yellow, orange, red, and hot ones.
Dried cranberries.
STrawberries.
Bananas
Mozzarella Cheese
Colby Cheese
Sharp Cheddar Cheese
Cream Cheese
Decaf Coffee
Regular Coffee
Eggs
Bacon
SausageThe only OTC med I ever take is Ibuprofen.
What in the above list do I need to avoid?
What else should I avoid?
Posted by bulldog2 on January 24, 2009, at 17:37:52
In reply to Foods to Avoid on Parnate?, posted by bleauberry on January 24, 2009, at 17:03:05
> So my doctor has said she has no problem at all in giving me Nardil, Parnate, Lexapro+Abilify, Lexapro+Risperdal, Lexapro+Seroquel, or Effexor.
>
> I've noticed a trend here and at other sites where lexapro by itself has mixed reviews, and with me was not a promising experience, but that when combined with one of those three antipsychotics it is a totally new drug with frequent good outcomes. Effexor I've never tried. The MAOIs I've never tried.
>
> I have Parnate onhand and it looks to be the first up for trial. Being real sensitive I would probably start at 5mg and go by feel after that.
>
> So I need help on the diet restrictions. I realize some people have no problems at all. But I want to be oversafe to start with. Below I will list foods I eat commonly. Please tell me which ones I can no longer eat. Also list other foods I defininitely need to avoid. Thank you so much!
>
> Milk
> Half n Half
> Sour Cream
> Yogurt
> All breads, cereals, pastas are rice, corn, or quinoa based...no wheat, no barley, no beans (I am gluten free)
> Chocolate semisweet chips
> Chocolate ice cream
> Chocolate milk shakes
> Three Muskateers Bar
> Fried, Baked, or Boiled Chicken
> Fried, Baked, or Boiled Beef
> Fried, Baked, or Boiled Pork
> Pepperoni
> Sandwich Ham
> Hot Dogs
> Potatoes...chips, baked, mashed.
> Lettuces
> Tomotoes
> Avaocados
> Cucumbers
> Peppers, green, yellow, orange, red, and hot ones.
> Dried cranberries.
> STrawberries.
> Bananas
> Mozzarella Cheese
> Colby Cheese
> Sharp Cheddar Cheese
> Cream Cheese
> Decaf Coffee
> Regular Coffee
> Eggs
> Bacon
> Sausage
>
> The only OTC med I ever take is Ibuprofen.
>
> What in the above list do I need to avoid?
> What else should I avoid?
>
>you might want ti avoid all cheeses though some say only aged is bad. I might start marplan and will avoid all cheeses. Watch out for aged meat. like sausage, bacon, ham hot dogs,...only fresh meat...also avoid chocolate...some eat some chocolate but you might be safe and not eat it..not to much coffee
Posted by bulldog2 on January 24, 2009, at 17:47:14
In reply to Foods to Avoid on Parnate?, posted by bleauberry on January 24, 2009, at 17:03:05
> So my doctor has said she has no problem at all in giving me Nardil, Parnate, Lexapro+Abilify, Lexapro+Risperdal, Lexapro+Seroquel, or Effexor.
>
> I've noticed a trend here and at other sites where lexapro by itself has mixed reviews, and with me was not a promising experience, but that when combined with one of those three antipsychotics it is a totally new drug with frequent good outcomes. Effexor I've never tried. The MAOIs I've never tried.
>
> I have Parnate onhand and it looks to be the first up for trial. Being real sensitive I would probably start at 5mg and go by feel after that.
>
> So I need help on the diet restrictions. I realize some people have no problems at all. But I want to be oversafe to start with. Below I will list foods I eat commonly. Please tell me which ones I can no longer eat. Also list other foods I defininitely need to avoid. Thank you so much!
>
> Milk
> Half n Half
> Sour Cream
> Yogurt
> All breads, cereals, pastas are rice, corn, or quinoa based...no wheat, no barley, no beans (I am gluten free)
> Chocolate semisweet chips
> Chocolate ice cream
> Chocolate milk shakes
> Three Muskateers Bar
> Fried, Baked, or Boiled Chicken
> Fried, Baked, or Boiled Beef
> Fried, Baked, or Boiled Pork
> Pepperoni
> Sandwich Ham
> Hot Dogs
> Potatoes...chips, baked, mashed.
> Lettuces
> Tomotoes
> Avaocados
> Cucumbers
> Peppers, green, yellow, orange, red, and hot ones.
> Dried cranberries.
> STrawberries.
> Bananas
> Mozzarella Cheese
> Colby Cheese
> Sharp Cheddar Cheese
> Cream Cheese
> Decaf Coffee
> Regular Coffee
> Eggs
> Bacon
> Sausage
>
> The only OTC med I ever take is Ibuprofen.
>
> What in the above list do I need to avoid?
> What else should I avoid?
>
>Here's prescribing info on parnate..some are trying marplan now stll made and the mildest of the maois..
Posted by bulldog2 on January 24, 2009, at 18:54:21
In reply to Foods to Avoid on Parnate?, posted by bleauberry on January 24, 2009, at 17:03:05
> So my doctor has said she has no problem at all in giving me Nardil, Parnate, Lexapro+Abilify, Lexapro+Risperdal, Lexapro+Seroquel, or Effexor.
>
> I've noticed a trend here and at other sites where lexapro by itself has mixed reviews, and with me was not a promising experience, but that when combined with one of those three antipsychotics it is a totally new drug with frequent good outcomes. Effexor I've never tried. The MAOIs I've never tried.
>
> I have Parnate onhand and it looks to be the first up for trial. Being real sensitive I would probably start at 5mg and go by feel after that.
>
> So I need help on the diet restrictions. I realize some people have no problems at all. But I want to be oversafe to start with. Below I will list foods I eat commonly. Please tell me which ones I can no longer eat. Also list other foods I defininitely need to avoid. Thank you so much!
>
> Milk
> Half n Half
> Sour Cream
> Yogurt
> All breads, cereals, pastas are rice, corn, or quinoa based...no wheat, no barley, no beans (I am gluten free)
> Chocolate semisweet chips
> Chocolate ice cream
> Chocolate milk shakes
> Three Muskateers Bar
> Fried, Baked, or Boiled Chicken
> Fried, Baked, or Boiled Beef
> Fried, Baked, or Boiled Pork
> Pepperoni
> Sandwich Ham
> Hot Dogs
> Potatoes...chips, baked, mashed.
> Lettuces
> Tomotoes
> Avaocados
> Cucumbers
> Peppers, green, yellow, orange, red, and hot ones.
> Dried cranberries.
> STrawberries.
> Bananas
> Mozzarella Cheese
> Colby Cheese
> Sharp Cheddar Cheese
> Cream Cheese
> Decaf Coffee
> Regular Coffee
> Eggs
> Bacon
> Sausage
>
> The only OTC med I ever take is Ibuprofen.
>
> What in the above list do I need to avoid?
> What else should I avoid?
>
>There's a food list in the emsam prescribing list
Posted by Justherself54 on January 24, 2009, at 18:59:35
In reply to Re: Foods to Avoid on Parnate?, posted by bulldog2 on January 24, 2009, at 17:37:52
cream cheese and processed cheese slices are OK..I ate lots of chocolate on both parnate and nardil with no probs. No processed meats. No canned soups and make sure you read ingredients on packaged foods. The fresher the better. Yogurt is fine, but I would pitch it when too close to expiry date.
There is a good list on here..just google maoi diet. Good luck and safe eating!
Posted by JadeKelly on January 24, 2009, at 20:50:36
In reply to Foods to Avoid on Parnate?, posted by bleauberry on January 24, 2009, at 17:03:05
Hi Bleauberry,
I got this list yesterday from my new PDoc, he is affiliated with Johns Hopkins Hospital and has been prescribing MAOI's for at least 15 years.
Please note that this is based on the newer less restrictive diet, as the older diet was found to have foods with miniscule amounts of Tyramine.ABSOLUTELY RESTRICTED:
Aged Cheeses
Aged and cured meats
Improperly stored or spoiled meats, fish, or poultry
Banana Peel (bummer), Broad bean pods, Marmite
Sauerkraut,Soy Sauce, and other soy condiments
DRAFT beer*Note: Marmite contains high levels of tyramine and has been implicated in numerous hypertensive reactions.
CONSUME IN MODERATION:
Red or white wine (no more that two 4-oz, glasses/day)
Bottled or canned beer, including non-alcoholic (no more than two 12-oz sevings/day)
**Many foods have been unnecessarily restricted because of sporadic case reports or known but irrelevant associations with migraine. Laboratory analysis did not identify high tyramine content in these foods. Previously restricted foods that can be consumed safely include avocados, bananas, bouillon, monosodium glutamate, peanuts, raspberries, and soy milk.
-I'll add to that I think anything you deem to be outdated in any way you may want to stay away from or check further re: that item.-Should you really be concerned about this diet I would suggest maybe following the older diet, the link is supplied by BullDog above, and then add in as you feel comfortable.
-An old poster "Elizabeth" posted "The short list", I believe a list she put together as her version of the new diet that some posters were using.
-Stay away from Soy products unless you know they are O.K. (Soy Milk OK)
Hope that helps!
~Jade
Posted by g_g_g_unit on January 24, 2009, at 22:40:58
In reply to Re: Foods to Avoid on Parnate? » bleauberry, posted by JadeKelly on January 24, 2009, at 20:50:36
>
> -Stay away from Soy products unless you know they are O.K. (Soy Milk OK)
>
>do you know if this includes more obscure strains of soy like soy lecithin (which is in pretty much every packaged food i come across)?
Posted by JadeKelly on January 24, 2009, at 23:28:57
In reply to Re: Foods to Avoid on Parnate?, posted by g_g_g_unit on January 24, 2009, at 22:40:58
> >
> > -Stay away from Soy products unless you know they are O.K. (Soy Milk OK)
> >
> >
>
> do you know if this includes more obscure strains of soy like soy lecithin (which is in pretty much every packaged food i come across)?I run across that all the time and I look to see how far down the list of ingredients it is. If its near the top, I skip it. If the protien isn't coming from Soy I find I'm okay. But please double check this as YMMV. Btw- I find that mostly in packaged Protien Bars. There are some that are okay but bring your magnifying glass to read those wrappers.
~Jade
Posted by desolationrower on January 25, 2009, at 11:48:19
In reply to Re: Foods to Avoid on Parnate? » bleauberry, posted by JadeKelly on January 24, 2009, at 20:50:36
basically what jade said. also, shrimp paste, oyster sauce, fish sauce. These would mostly be found in something like a thai curry.
Soy lecithin is not a problem. it is that soy is a commonly fermented product and results in soy sauce or similar items. its not the soy itself. of course actual (not processed) soy has some hormonal effects, which i'm not too up on, they seem to be negative for men, and i don't know if they are good or bad for women.
-d/r
Posted by jedi on January 26, 2009, at 3:09:03
In reply to Foods to Avoid on Parnate?, posted by bleauberry on January 24, 2009, at 17:03:05
Hi,
Here is a pretty good article which shows the tyramine content of some common foods, plus some low tyramine menus. It seems to follow pretty closely to what I've learned being on a low tyramine diet for over a decade.
http://www.mc.vanderbilt.edu/neurology/Tyramine%20Menu%20Book%2006227101.pdf
Take care,
Jedi
> So my doctor has said she has no problem at all in giving me Nardil, Parnate, Lexapro+Abilify, Lexapro+Risperdal, Lexapro+Seroquel, or Effexor.
>
> I've noticed a trend here and at other sites where lexapro by itself has mixed reviews, and with me was not a promising experience, but that when combined with one of those three antipsychotics it is a totally new drug with frequent good outcomes. Effexor I've never tried. The MAOIs I've never tried.
>
> I have Parnate onhand and it looks to be the first up for trial. Being real sensitive I would probably start at 5mg and go by feel after that.
>
> So I need help on the diet restrictions. I realize some people have no problems at all. But I want to be oversafe to start with. Below I will list foods I eat commonly. Please tell me which ones I can no longer eat. Also list other foods I defininitely need to avoid. Thank you so much!
>
> Milk
> Half n Half
> Sour Cream
> Yogurt
> All breads, cereals, pastas are rice, corn, or quinoa based...no wheat, no barley, no beans (I am gluten free)
> Chocolate semisweet chips
> Chocolate ice cream
> Chocolate milk shakes
> Three Muskateers Bar
> Fried, Baked, or Boiled Chicken
> Fried, Baked, or Boiled Beef
> Fried, Baked, or Boiled Pork
> Pepperoni
> Sandwich Ham
> Hot Dogs
> Potatoes...chips, baked, mashed.
> Lettuces
> Tomotoes
> Avaocados
> Cucumbers
> Peppers, green, yellow, orange, red, and hot ones.
> Dried cranberries.
> STrawberries.
> Bananas
> Mozzarella Cheese
> Colby Cheese
> Sharp Cheddar Cheese
> Cream Cheese
> Decaf Coffee
> Regular Coffee
> Eggs
> Bacon
> Sausage
>
> The only OTC med I ever take is Ibuprofen.
>
> What in the above list do I need to avoid?
> What else should I avoid?
>
>
Posted by desolationrower on January 26, 2009, at 11:19:16
In reply to Re: Foods to Avoid on Parnate? » bleauberry, posted by jedi on January 26, 2009, at 3:09:03
Thats a very thorough chart, that seems to line up with my intutions, i just i wish they'd cite where they found the values.
-d/r
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