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Posted by linkadge on June 21, 2008, at 18:53:45
If you could eliminate 3 syptoms what would they be.
Try to be specific.
If this thread gets relocated thats ok.
Linkadge
Posted by Phillipa on June 21, 2008, at 19:40:27
In reply to If you could eliminate 3 symptoms, posted by linkadge on June 21, 2008, at 18:53:45
Fear of being alone.
Anxiety
A med that does something. Phillipa ps so I'm the old me which was happy and very productive.
Posted by bleauberry on June 21, 2008, at 20:07:04
In reply to If you could eliminate 3 symptoms, posted by linkadge on June 21, 2008, at 18:53:45
1. The anxiety/nervousness/butterflies/craziness that begins during sleep around 4am, is strong when I wake, and is gone in an hour.
2. Anhedonia.
3. Social withdrawal/disconnectedness.
Posted by llurpsienoodle on June 21, 2008, at 20:48:57
In reply to Re: If you could eliminate 3 symptoms, posted by bleauberry on June 21, 2008, at 20:07:04
1) anxious agitation
2) suicidal ideation
3) depressed mood
Posted by Phoenix1 on June 21, 2008, at 21:12:46
In reply to Re: If you could eliminate 3 symptoms, posted by bleauberry on June 21, 2008, at 20:07:04
> 1. The anxiety/nervousness/butterflies/craziness that begins during sleep around 4am, is strong when I wake, and is gone in an hour.
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> 2. Anhedonia.
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> 3. Social withdrawal/disconnectedness.
I couldn't have said it better. These would be my top three too. Except for #1, the enxiety continues well into the afternoon.Phoenix
Posted by obsidian on June 21, 2008, at 21:15:32
In reply to If you could eliminate 3 symptoms, posted by linkadge on June 21, 2008, at 18:53:45
1) anxiety
2) irritability
3) depression
Posted by Tomatheus on June 21, 2008, at 21:51:58
In reply to If you could eliminate 3 symptoms, posted by linkadge on June 21, 2008, at 18:53:45
> If you could eliminate 3 syptoms what would they be.
1. Psychomotor retardation (not as bad as it used to be before I became psychotic)
2. Ideas of reference (mostly under control now with Abilify)
3. Hypersomnia (nothing helps me with this anymore)
Tomatheus
Posted by chiron on June 21, 2008, at 22:53:00
In reply to Re: If you could eliminate 3 symptoms, posted by Tomatheus on June 21, 2008, at 21:51:58
1. The D word (depression). Mood down to very down. Minimal pleasure. Want to be happy and know what it's like not to always want to die.
2. Anxiety related:
a. fear of death, rumination of what the hell this is all about, the universe, etc.
b. anxious emptiness (especially when alone) - feeling like I need to do something and at the same time conflicting with not wanting to do anything, which relates to:
3. Motivation. Which might be solved if the above two were solved.I do have to be grateful that my previous agitation has minimized. That was awful.
Posted by 10derHeart on June 22, 2008, at 0:15:45
In reply to Re: If you could eliminate 3 symptoms, posted by chiron on June 21, 2008, at 22:53:00
1. Extreme lack of motivation, together with it's partner, massive procrastination, which is also a partner of #22. "Frozen anxiety" (don't know what to do next, how to, when to, IF I should, IF it's right or wrong, so how 'bout I do NOTHING)
3. Forgetfulness....um...
..whadiIjust write here? Darn #3! ah, well...too #2 to try and figure it out, so I'll just go back to comfortable #1 now.
Yup.
Posted by 10derHeart on June 22, 2008, at 0:20:23
In reply to Re: If you could eliminate 3 symptoms, posted by 10derHeart on June 22, 2008, at 0:15:45
I just realized how I *may* sound.....sorry if somehow that post I just wrote sounds too flip for the thread. I in no way mean to trivialize any of the serious, sometimes life-threatening symptoms so many Babblers have to cope with daily. Never. I, too, have been down darker roads, but thank God right now I am so much better and these three happen to be my worst. I do know that makes me fortunate indeed.
Just trying to be light and post and feeling a little silly tonight (which for me is so much better than apathy...) Hope I didn't come across offensive.
Posted by yxibow on June 22, 2008, at 0:40:16
In reply to Re: If you could eliminate 3 symptoms, posted by chiron on June 21, 2008, at 22:53:00
Mine, as someone said is a multifaceted syndrome for which there is no single target.
So its hard for me to answer this question, and actually concentrating on symptoms can make them worse. At least for me anyhow. I have to look future forward.
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But if I were to say anything:1. As much as possible of my visual (possibly somatiform, possibly OCD, its not a single target) that really interferes the most with life and gaining back bits and pieces of short term memory issues.
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2. My polemic view of life, again possibly from OCD and other anxiety spectrums, into the distant future beyond my parents who I am very close to.
The fear of living, basically. That's a hard concept to visualise, but it comes from feeling trapped in a very strange place and a disorder yet to be overcome to the best of my abilities, that I never imagined I would have with multiple catch-22s.
======================3. A lack of a spark of true fascination (which may certainly come from depression and psychodynamic reasons) and interest in doing things that are beyond my hobbies, not which don't play a role in soothing my life.......
....but a focus, that will ultimately provide me with an income and..... HOPE. Hope is not something you can buy, or be given, it comes from within, and it is built like a muscle with things that produce self-confidence.
And I'm working on things towards that goal through therapy and there are little sparks which I may not realize, and I don't always see myself from the view of the multiple caregivers who have much trust in my future -- but who can see outside themselves -- that, is metaphysical in a way.=========================
So these may not seem like true symptoms (but they are very real as Somatiform spectrum conditions are) -- they can seem like wishes and desires.
But they come from symtoms, as noted not for me not to dwell on what has happened to me much, except to acknowledge reality (which is very metaphysical -- someone's reality is not necessarily THE REALITY).
...Something I sometimes call The Here and Now. Not religiously, just acknowledging that I am the same capable individual inside all these layers, living with what I have in the present, and the future is something nobody can predict:=============================
And yes, I am very sane, intelligent (no comparisons meant to anybody else -- we had a thread on that I believe), perhaps almost so self-aware of things that as noted I am way too hard on myself.
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So I will end what is a long answer to a simple question:======================
"Look to this day! For it is life, the very life of life. For yesterday is but a dream And tomorrow is only a vision But today well lived makes every yesterday a dream of happiness And tomorrow a vision of hope. Look well, therefore, to this day! Such is the salutation of the dawn."- Kalidasa (ancient sanskrit, unknown vintage.)
This has been adopted over time.
-- tidings
-- Jay
Posted by sunnydays on June 22, 2008, at 1:04:24
In reply to If you could eliminate 3 symptoms, posted by linkadge on June 21, 2008, at 18:53:45
1. ummm.... are obsessions and compulsions one symptom, because they go together so tight I want them both gone at once
2. anxiety
3. right now, insomnia, but there are other ones I'd pick other days
sunnydays
Posted by Molybdenum on June 22, 2008, at 4:50:45
In reply to Re: If you could eliminate 3 symptoms, posted by llurpsienoodle on June 21, 2008, at 20:48:57
1. Chronic tiredness from untreatable central sleep apnoea (= inability to concentrate, forgetfulness, facial twitching, headaches and probably is the root cause of my depression)
2. Lack of confidence / fear of failure
3. Knowing that my death would upset / damage my children long term
Linkadge, is there a prize on offer here? Did you find a magic lamp while beachcombing? If it's not a cure, I'd probably settle for a bottle of Nembutal & a plastic bag. ;)
I'm so sick & tired of feeling sick & tired....
Posted by SLS on June 22, 2008, at 5:11:54
In reply to Re: If you could eliminate 3 symptoms, posted by Molybdenum on June 22, 2008, at 4:50:45
1. Anergia
2. Read, learn, and remember.
3. Anhedonia
- Scott
Posted by Mc Comfortable on June 22, 2008, at 7:02:35
In reply to If you could eliminate 3 symptoms, posted by linkadge on June 21, 2008, at 18:53:45
I have only one I would love to have go away. This one trait gives way to a subset of other symptoms:
1) Lack of energy
Posted by Racer on June 22, 2008, at 8:41:27
In reply to Re: If you could eliminate 3 symptoms, posted by Mc Comfortable on June 22, 2008, at 7:02:35
First, let me say that this is a great topic. Thanks to Linkadge for posting it.
1. Complete, utter, entire, and profound lack of pleasure in anything.
2. The sadness/misery/despair I feel all the time.
3. Self-loathing and it's conjoined twin of self-punishment. (Not self-injury, only the very punitive internal criticism.)
I think those are my three. Hopelessness might replace either one or three, but I think those are the important ones.
If there's a magic wand involved, I do hope I am early in line...
Posted by Jay_Bravest_Face on June 22, 2008, at 10:14:23
In reply to Re: If you could eliminate 3 symptoms, posted by Racer on June 22, 2008, at 8:41:27
> First, let me say that this is a great topic. Thanks to Linkadge for posting it.
>
> 1. Complete, utter, entire, and profound lack of pleasure in anything.
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> 2. The sadness/misery/despair I feel all the time.
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> 3. Self-loathing and it's conjoined twin of self-punishment. (Not self-injury, only the very punitive internal criticism.)
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> I think those are my three. Hopelessness might replace either one or three, but I think those are the important ones.
>
> If there's a magic wand involved, I do hope I am early in line...Haaa..love that last line Racer. (Sorry about the others:( That line actually reminded me of some lines from a song where I got my handle/username from:
In the whole wide world
There's no magical place
So you mind as well rise
And put on your bravest faceAnd that is exactly what I think most of us do every freakin' day!..lol.
Peace,
Jay
Posted by obsidian on June 22, 2008, at 11:04:54
In reply to Re: If you could eliminate 3 symptoms, posted by obsidian on June 21, 2008, at 21:15:32
> 1) anxiety
> 2) irritability
> 3) depressionso, Im really liking this thread, and I now realize I was not nearly specific as I could be so here's take 2
1) feeling absolutely overwhelmed by the world to the point that it gets smaller and smaller and I feel like I can't even move (and so I often don't), and in there is a fear of little bits of everything, it's about a lack of safety, a fear of judgment, a fear of failure, a fear of humiliation, being incredibly self conscious, a fear of being outside and vulnerable, a fear of total and complete rejection
2) becoming fixated on things, playing them over and over and over in my head, becoming angry, losing my perspective, being short tempered, feeling like there is just too much pressure in my head, like the throttle? is running way too high and its just building up and building up but it's not really going anywhere, feeling like I am a live, buzzing wire that is dangerous to be near
3) hopelessness and helplessness, hating everything, self hatred, utter despair, my "what's the point?" phases (I think this is where I get tired of fighting number 1 especially)
Posted by cumulative on June 22, 2008, at 11:26:01
In reply to If you could eliminate 3 symptoms, posted by linkadge on June 21, 2008, at 18:53:45
1) anhedonia
2) inattention
3) sluggish cognitive tempo
Posted by Maxime on June 22, 2008, at 18:23:03
In reply to If you could eliminate 3 symptoms, posted by linkadge on June 21, 2008, at 18:53:45
- Dissociating
- Emptiness
- Not being able to experience pleasure.Maxime
Posted by seldomseen on June 22, 2008, at 21:06:28
In reply to If you could eliminate 3 symptoms, posted by linkadge on June 21, 2008, at 18:53:45
Fatigue
Anxiety
Loneliness
Posted by Molybdenum on June 22, 2008, at 21:23:45
In reply to Re: If you could eliminate 3 symptoms, posted by yxibow on June 22, 2008, at 0:40:16
Hey yxibow,
you made me go to dictionary.com 3 times...!
:)
Posted by Molybdenum on June 22, 2008, at 21:50:35
In reply to If you could eliminate 3 symptoms, posted by linkadge on June 21, 2008, at 18:53:45
Linkadge,
I think you've hit on a new diagnostic tool. Look how easily people can identify their 3 biggest problems. Amazing. My pdoc has never asked me this in all these years. In fact, no doc has.
I'll tell him...!
Thanks :)
Posted by Four Feathers on June 22, 2008, at 23:44:37
In reply to If you could eliminate 3 symptoms, posted by linkadge on June 21, 2008, at 18:53:45
1) Anhedonia
2) Restlessness and inability to relax
3) Impaired concentration
Posted by yxibow on June 23, 2008, at 2:15:34
In reply to Re: If you could eliminate 3 symptoms » yxibow, posted by Molybdenum on June 22, 2008, at 21:23:45
> Hey yxibow,
>
> you made me go to dictionary.com 3 times...!
>
> :)(g) it was a long one, wasn't it?....
The only thing I would omit is the "sane" remark, because that's sort of self-deprecating to me, and someone else might think that their condition is not "sane" as well -- a common thought in depression.
-- tidings
-- Jay
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