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Posted by Klinefelter Dimaggio on June 1, 2008, at 21:46:22
I was hoping that some fellow babblers might divulge on their experiences with Nardil(positive ones preferably), in particular the cognitive side effects they've encountered. I am a fictional writer so creativity, intellect, verbal ability is extremely important to me. It's how I make a living and crippling this will simply exacerbate my severe depression(although being depressed is hardly helping my writing either).
I also suffer from extreme social anxiety, OCD, and agoraphobia. I can't even leave the house to meet with my editor as of late.
I'm only 26 years old, and though I currently have no sex life, I'm still deeply concerned about the sexual side effects and weight gain I may incur? How have people managed this inevitable aspect of Nardil? Viagra?
Finally, I've been on Zoloft for about six months with little success. How long must I wait before starting an MAOI. Is one week sufficient?
Any advice/help would be much appreciated,
Klinefelter
Posted by Phillipa on June 2, 2008, at 0:20:33
In reply to Does Nardil Make You Dumb?? hurt creativity?, posted by Klinefelter Dimaggio on June 1, 2008, at 21:46:22
Two weeks off the zoloft first. Look up the board and you should find a link on nardil ace has answered a lot of questions on it. If you can't find google ace on the Dr. Bob site of google. Love Phillipa
Posted by Phillipa on June 2, 2008, at 0:21:49
In reply to Re: Does Nardil Make You Dumb?? hurt creativity? » Klinefelter Dimaggio, posted by Phillipa on June 2, 2008, at 0:20:33
And welcome to babble a wealth of information here. So check out the boards. Google nardil also. Phillipa
Posted by blueboy on June 2, 2008, at 12:03:36
In reply to Does Nardil Make You Dumb?? hurt creativity?, posted by Klinefelter Dimaggio on June 1, 2008, at 21:46:22
> I was hoping that some fellow babblers might divulge on their experiences with Nardil(positive ones preferably), in particular the cognitive side effects they've encountered. I am a fictional writer so creativity, intellect, verbal ability is extremely important to me. It's how I make a living and crippling this will simply exacerbate my severe depression(although being depressed is hardly helping my writing either).
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> I also suffer from extreme social anxiety, OCD, and agoraphobia. I can't even leave the house to meet with my editor as of late.
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> I'm only 26 years old, and though I currently have no sex life, I'm still deeply concerned about the sexual side effects and weight gain I may incur? How have people managed this inevitable aspect of Nardil? Viagra?
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> Finally, I've been on Zoloft for about six months with little success. How long must I wait before starting an MAOI. Is one week sufficient?
>Okay, I hate to sound like a broken record, but if you are engaged in a creative occupation and have problems with depression, make SURE you are not bipolar before you start taking any anti-depressives. Your symptoms sound very similar to mine, and I spent decades of unsuccessful therapy with antidepressants before finally a specialist told me that, the main reason they weren't working was that I was Bipolar II.
As for Nardil: In my case, it threw me into a state of more-or-less permanent hypomania. Which means that the effect was just the opposite of your fear. If anything, it made me more creative.
The side effects for me were awful. Chronic insomnia, sex difficulties (and Viagra won't help if the problem is difficulty with ejaculation/orgasm), and weight gain, plus a dozen others that came and went. But it was still a heck of a lot better than depression :)
Also, while I'm at it, Nardil didn't help me much with agoraphobia and social phobia. Maybe just a little, I dunno'.
Oh yeah, one other thing. Don't screw around with the drug interaction. I know you're impatient and suffering, but I'd wait longer than the minimum suggested after getting off Zoloft to start Nardil. They are both very powerful drugs and they don't like each other one bit. Try to think about where you'll be in three months.
Posted by Klinefelter Dimaggio on June 2, 2008, at 13:58:57
In reply to Re: Does Nardil Make You Dumb?? hurt creativity?, posted by blueboy on June 2, 2008, at 12:03:36
The side effects from Nardil sound awful(I've had absolutely zero SE from Zoloft apart from the fact that it doesn't work). I certainly wouldn't mind being thrown into a state of hypomania for a while. That's when I do my best writing. Actually, I've been diagnosed with Bipolar Spectrum disorder by a few psychiatrists. But the mood stabilizers, even in low doses, have resulted in retardation. In fact, Lamictal made me both manic and retarded. Lithium made me zombified and severely depressed as did trileptal. Anti psychotics like Abilify and Zyprexa made me manic(though I did some of my best writing on Abilify after not sleeping for two months straight--the writing I did is good even as I read it now). The only med combo that has ever stablized me was Desoxyn--a stimulant--combined with Klonopin..this recipe actually calmed me down, reduced my social anxiety, eliminated my depression without inducing mania...and enhanced my creativity. However, my new doctor refuses to script these apparently 'addictive' meds.
Posted by Klinefelter Dimaggio on June 2, 2008, at 14:09:57
In reply to Re: Does Nardil Make You Dumb?? hurt creativity?, posted by Klinefelter Dimaggio on June 2, 2008, at 13:58:57
Maybe mental illness is a gift? Sometimes I wonder if mental instability is a prerequesite for creativity?? I mean would Vango or Picasso have created such works if they'd been medicated. Perhaps it's best that I suffer if I want to continue to write?
Posted by BGB on June 2, 2008, at 16:29:23
In reply to Re: Does Nardil Make You Dumb?? hurt creativity?, posted by Klinefelter Dimaggio on June 2, 2008, at 13:58:57
> The only med combo that has ever stablized me was Desoxyn--a stimulant--combined with Klonopin..this recipe actually calmed me down, reduced my social anxiety, eliminated my depression without inducing mania...and enhanced my creativity. However, my new doctor refuses to script these apparently 'addictive' meds.
You do realize that Desoxyn is just the precription form of crystal meth, right? It truly is addictive and has ruined a whole bunch of people's lives.I don't think that a little Klonopin has ever hurt anyone, though.
Posted by Klinefelter Dimaggio on June 2, 2008, at 17:54:01
In reply to Re: Does Nardil Make You Dumb?? hurt creativity? » Klinefelter Dimaggio, posted by BGB on June 2, 2008, at 16:29:23
Desoxyn may be methamphetamine hydrochloride but the addiction properties you speak of only refer to high doses. I'd have to swallow an entire bottle of Desoxyn to even come close to Meth. To call Desoxyn dangerous is completely ridiculous. All pharmaceulticals are dangerous when abused. Adderall is an amphetamine as well and has plenty of abuse potential. So does Ritilin. You can crush up Zoloft and snort it if you want. Parnate is essentially amphetamine. Selegiline breaks down into amphetamine metabolites. Prozac was designed to mimic cocaine. Barry Bonds used to take Nardil to gain weight, as did his entire Arizona college baseball team;; it also increased his perceived strength and relieved his tension at homeplate.
I never found Desoxyn remotely addictive. There's a dose that works and any higher just caused problems. Kept it at low doses of 5 -10 mg per day and that treated my depression sufficiently as well as my anxiety.
Frankly Klonopin and benzos are the scary drugs!!. Not only do they make you dumb as bricks but they are truly addictive. It was nearly impossible for me to withdrawl from them and I was only on .75 mg of Klonopin/ day...and talk about abuse potential!!!When I stopped Desoxyn, I simply stopped and noticed only some slight depression for two days which quickly dissipated.Stimulants have been around since the 1940's and the long term effects of low-dose usage is known to be safe. The long term effects(some speculate neurotoxic which can be delt with through supplementation but others say it prevents Alzheimer's and Prakinsons so who knows?) are minimal compared to novel medications which not only rewire your brain circuitry but also mess with your body chemistry. Metabolic Syndrome? Diabetes? I've never been then same since Abilify ,Lamictal and Zyprexa. And my doctor just told me about a recent study that shows Seroquel causes permanent damage to the endocrine system. Those are the drugs I would stay clear of. They might have low abuse potential but they defenitely cause permanent damage. They're dangerous. So please, spare me the Desoxyn is crystal meth routine. I've heard it all before. It's unproductive and clearly reveals your limited understanding of stimulant medications and neurochemistry for that matter.
Posted by BGB on June 2, 2008, at 23:47:51
In reply to Re: Does Nardil Make You Dumb?? hurt creativity?, posted by Klinefelter Dimaggio on June 2, 2008, at 17:54:01
> It's unproductive and clearly reveals your limited understanding of stimulant medications and neurochemistry for that matter.
Sorry, I didn't mean any disrespect. I stand corrected.
Posted by linkadge on June 3, 2008, at 10:07:20
In reply to Re: Does Nardil Make You Dumb?? hurt creativity?, posted by BGB on June 2, 2008, at 23:47:51
yes
Linkadge
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