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Posted by Maximus on February 6, 2008, at 11:41:09
N.B. Lithium was not included in these studies...
Thursday, Jan. 31 (Psych Central) -- The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) noted on Thursday that they have found that the risk of suicide and other suicidal behavior DOUBLES for patients taking any of the 11 drugs used to treat diseases such as depression and epilepsy.
Posted by Phillipa on February 6, 2008, at 12:18:58
In reply to Mood Stabilizers Increase Risk of Suicide..., posted by Maximus on February 6, 2008, at 11:41:09
Maximus so other than lithium a natural salt the article is citing that all mood stabalizers increase risk of suicide? What about bipolar patients on more than one? Phillipa
Posted by Maxime on February 6, 2008, at 17:50:39
In reply to Re: Mood Stabilizers Increase Risk of Suicide... » Maximus, posted by Phillipa on February 6, 2008, at 12:18:58
> Maximus so other than lithium a natural salt the article is citing that all mood stabalizers increase risk of suicide? What about bipolar patients on more than one? Phillipa
They are more at risk. It doesn't mean that everyone who uses the meds listed will become suicidal ... just a percentage. People should be aware of it though.
Maxime
Posted by bleauberry on February 6, 2008, at 17:51:04
In reply to Mood Stabilizers Increase Risk of Suicide..., posted by Maximus on February 6, 2008, at 11:41:09
Well, this is not news to me or many of us. We see it all the time. It takes a while for the mainstream world to catch up to the real world.
Indeed psych meds help some people tremendously. We see that happen right here. We also see them completely devastate other people. It is almost always blamed on the illness and not the drug. Almost as if because the med was given a name ANTI-depressant then there is no way it could cause depression. Or mood STABILIZER. For some yeah. For others, how about a mood destabilizer down to the depths of hell. The drugs can do both.
All I know is that despite my dedicated efforts, close to 99% of antidepressants or mood stabilizers make me feel much worse. No change or numb is about the best it gets.
Makes me wonder why they don't focus on other things more besides neurotransmitters and calcium channels. There is obviously a lot more going on. I personally feel that the thyroid and cortisol hormones, as well as the intricate link between the pituitary, thyroid, and hypothalamus, are major culprits in psych symptoms. Or the limbic system needs some stimulation. Stuff like that.
One lady in a Cymbalta clinical trial was not depressed and had no history of it. She was in the trial for a different condition. She hung herself part way through the trial.
Posted by Phillipa on February 6, 2008, at 19:31:27
In reply to Re: Mood Stabilizers Increase Risk of Suicide..., posted by bleauberry on February 6, 2008, at 17:51:04
Oh definitely agree about the thyroid as was fine until mine went and hormones too. Phillipa
Posted by Maximus on February 6, 2008, at 21:40:05
In reply to Re: Mood Stabilizers Increase Risk of Suicide... » Maximus, posted by Phillipa on February 6, 2008, at 12:18:58
> Maximus so other than lithium a natural salt >the article is citing that all mood stabalizers >increase risk of suicide? What about bipolar >patients on more than one? Phillipa
On pensait que les anticonvulsants étaient sans risque, mais ce n'est pas le cas. Le Lithium demeure encore la solution anti-suicide par excellence.
Posted by Maximus on February 6, 2008, at 21:42:26
In reply to Re: Mood Stabilizers Increase Risk of Suicide... » Phillipa, posted by Maximus on February 6, 2008, at 21:40:05
Posted by Maxime on February 6, 2008, at 23:05:33
In reply to Re: Mood Stabilizers Increase Risk of Suicide... » Phillipa, posted by Maximus on February 6, 2008, at 21:40:05
> On pensait que les anticonvulsants étaient sans risque, mais ce n'est pas le cas. Le Lithium demeure encore la solution anti-suicide par excellence.Very true. Lithium is the most reliable.
Posted by Phillipa on February 6, 2008, at 23:09:18
In reply to Re: Sorry, i did not translate my last post.... (nm), posted by Maximus on February 6, 2008, at 21:42:26
Maximus that's okay I think you said lithium is the best one. Right or wrong? Love Phillipa
Posted by Racer on February 7, 2008, at 2:03:33
In reply to Re: Sorry, i did not translate my last post.... » Maximus, posted by Phillipa on February 6, 2008, at 23:09:18
On pensait que les anticonvulsants étaient sans risque, mais ce n'est pas le cas. Le Lithium demeure encore la solution anti-suicide par excellence.
Basically, Maximus is pointing out that anticonvulsants were thought to be without risks, which hasn't turned out to be the case, and that lithium is basically the gold standard for anti-suicide drugs.
At least, if my junior high French hasn't failed me...
Posted by Maximus on February 7, 2008, at 10:35:22
In reply to Re: Sorry, i did not translate my last post.... » Phillipa, posted by Racer on February 7, 2008, at 2:03:33
> On pensait que les anticonvulsants étaient sans risque, mais ce n'est pas le cas. Le Lithium demeure encore la solution anti-suicide par excellence.
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> Basically, Maximus is pointing out that anticonvulsants were thought to be without risks, which hasn't turned out to be the case, and that lithium is basically the gold standard for anti-suicide drugs.
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> At least, if my junior high French hasn't failed me...Yup, you got it right. Sorry i was in a hurry and my brain was tired... Good day to all of you...
Posted by Phillipa on February 7, 2008, at 18:33:58
In reply to Re: Sorry, i did not translate my last post.... » Phillipa, posted by Racer on February 7, 2008, at 2:03:33
Well you remembered yours I only had three months of it and 2 years of Spanish so good job and thanks!!!! Phillipa
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