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Posted by tepi on November 26, 2007, at 22:54:22
In reply to Wrong link, let me try again to get it for you/Tep, posted by stargazer2 on November 26, 2007, at 7:10:49
Posted by tepi on November 26, 2007, at 22:58:13
In reply to Re: What else with Nardil ? Sugesstions » tepi, posted by FredPotter on November 26, 2007, at 13:42:22
> I suppose I don't see the point of posting things which don't contain any information. I appreciate support, but I prefer being given information.
>
> I think Tofranil is imipramine. It acts on serotonin as well, I think, so it would not be a good idea to combine it with Nardil as it might trigger central serotonin syndrome
> Fredthen must be anafranil , well yes I have taken both in the past and none worked .
No, I would not try them with Nardilthanks fred
Posted by tepi on November 26, 2007, at 23:02:34
In reply to Re: What else with Nardil ? Sugesstions » tepi, posted by FredPotter on November 26, 2007, at 13:42:22
Ey what do you think about stimulant
maybe a mild one.Those drugs are the only ones I have never
take in my life.IS there anyone acting like cofee?
do you need more anyday to achieve same results?
What if I take cofee daily , as an stimulantIt would be gret enjoy all the things I do and focus just in my life
Tepi
Posted by Sigismund on November 26, 2007, at 23:25:07
In reply to Re: What else with Nardil ? Sugesstions » Sigismund, posted by tepi on November 26, 2007, at 22:29:24
> Do you suffer the same symtopms? , that thin you said of the bar , I would have done the same I guess , Why we cant asked it again and louder!
It's not so bad now, Tep. That was a long time ago. I am so used to some fear that I would be a different person without it.
And I have come to like myself (a bit) just as I am.
> With security an authority.
> Women like men that are secure of themselves , good what to do thenThey do indeed
>
> > ****Tep, I was thinking today...if you thought that things would never get any better, you might just kill yourself, but maybe you would think 'My God, I have done this, and not too many people could'?
>
> But how stop thinking that ??!! it is my sick mind , it is something I have no control over it !A different way of saying the same thing is to say that you are strong, to be able to have survived as long as you have.
> > I always have 2 oz of spirits (no more) in the evening and I drink it REALLY quickly.
>
> what are those ? alcohol?Yes, like 2 beers.
> do they work ? do you feel that each day you nedd a greater amount to have the same results?The drink works a bit, but I don't expect too much.
> You sound ver like me , what do you suffer fromBack when I was 20 we didn't have a name for it. I went to a therapist which was good for me. I now take some tianeptine, a little Valium, and some supplements.
I think benzos actually increase fear.
I know they reduce fear.
How do they do both?
Posted by stargazer2 on November 27, 2007, at 7:49:36
In reply to Re: What else with Nardil ? Sugesstions » FredPotter, posted by tepi on November 26, 2007, at 22:58:13
Posted by shasling on November 27, 2007, at 14:21:34
In reply to What about stimulants ??? any comment, posted by tepi on November 26, 2007, at 23:02:34
>
> Ey what do you think about stimulant
> maybe a mild one.
>
> Those drugs are the only ones I have never
> take in my life.
>
> IS there anyone acting like cofee?
>
> do you need more anyday to achieve same results?
>
>
> What if I take cofee daily , as an stimulant
>
> It would be gret enjoy all the things I do and focus just in my life
>
> TepiHi Tepi, email me, maybe I can help you...
your friend Suzie
Posted by cumulative on November 27, 2007, at 16:51:16
In reply to What else with Nardil ? Sugesstions, posted by tepi on November 25, 2007, at 14:06:03
It didn't work for stargazer, it may work for you. Extreme caution is needed ... titrate upwards to a working dose slowly, and keep anti-hypertensive medication on hand. The combination can be truly excellent if it works.
http://www.dr-bob.org/tips/split/MAOIs-in-high-doses-and-wi.html
Posted by Phillipa on November 27, 2007, at 18:55:47
In reply to Re: What else with Nardil ? Sugesstions » tepi, posted by Sigismund on November 26, 2007, at 23:25:07
Sigi you sound like a Buddist. Isn't that their philosophy? May be wrong may be right. Phillipa
Posted by bleauberry on November 28, 2007, at 17:39:59
In reply to What else with Nardil ? Sugesstions, posted by tepi on November 25, 2007, at 14:06:03
I heard an alternative doc once say, "If you try 5htp up to 200mg a day, and then you add St Johns Wort to it, and you are still not getting better, believe me your depression is not due to a serotonin deficiency."
That kind of logic makes sense to me. I mean, I could debate the doses and question the risk of serotonin syndrome and stuff like that, but the overall logic of the statement makes sense. The same could be applied to Nardil. If you dramatically increase serotonin, norepinephrine, dopamine, gaba, and whatever else Nardil does, and you are not getting better, you can probably be fairly sure you do not have deficiencies of those things. Your problems are from something else.
For years and years I was, and in many ways still am, the typical babbler who is focused on hard science and brain chemistry, totally ignoring the alternative causes of mood disorders. Things like hypocortisol, candida overgrowth, food sensitivities, heavy metal burden, thyroid (even when lab tests "appear" normal). The brain is connected to the body and is dramatically impacted by what goes on in the body. I still focus on hard science, but have come to see how it is shamefully limited, and have thus taken in a great deal of knowledge of other things that powerfully impact brain function besides simple neurotransmitters.
If staying focused just on the brain, then maybe look at certain receptors that are out of whack and need either an agonist or an antagonist to balance them out. Things like remeron, zyprexa, pramipexole, modafinil,...anything that either blocks or helps receptors.
Might be time to open the doors to learning more about causes of mood problems other than neurotransmitter deficiencies.
Simple things you can do. See if you have silver fillings. See if you have a white coating on your tongue. Check your body temperature first thing in the morning, and 3 more times throughout the day, record them for a couple weeks, take a lab stool sample, take a food intolerance lab test, take a 24 hour cortisol test, try T3 or Armour Thyroid regardless of your lab results, etc.
Or try adding something to Nardil. Not sure what the point is there though. Neurotransmitter deficiency doesn't appear to be the culprit.
Posted by Nardilstarted2007 on November 28, 2007, at 17:59:44
In reply to What else with Nardil ? Sugesstions, posted by tepi on November 25, 2007, at 14:06:03
> Hi all friends
> Just wanted to ask you for some advice. Do not
> feel presured that Im gonna take the med you tell me. Just would like to hear some thougths
>
> I am currentnly on
>
> Nardil 45mg/day + 3 mg Xanax + 1 Centrum( vitamins)
>
>
> Ok Im going to do this
>
> Try again Nardil 90mg/day + 3 xanax + 1 vitamins
>
>
> I havent done many combos with Nardil, I have just tried it with Epival ER and did not work
>
> I dont know what else could try. Im always
> thinking in an stimulant ( with a lot of care)
>
> What combos you have heard that works the most
> with Nardil
>
> ALready took it with klonopin , Valium , but Xanax works better for me
>
> I could also stop Nardil and give a full trial to Parnate , last time I did was for only 9 days
>
> Im desperately looking for a real life, so Im not gonna waste my time halfliving.
> My real problem is social fear , and depression but more social phobia I think
>
> dont worry I always think alot before start a new med
> Just looking for your opinion and different ideas
>
> Thank you all
> Tepi
>
>Hi, I'm not to educated on combos. Ive only mixed ssri's with benzos and provagil. Now I'm on 75mgs of Nardil + xanax (four .5's a day) I tried some provagil with it just last week (because I still have some left), and at just 100 mgs in the morning I felt awake, clear, focused, more interested... More clarity and took away my zomby like feelings. With provagil, 100 mgs wont do you for long , maybe a couple days.. Then you need more just like the benzos (in my experience) but one you hit 2-400 hunrdred mgs/day that will last quite a long time(its like tolerance slows down at that point). I felt no SE's even though its a stimulant and its a no no with maoi's but its a special stimulant. totally different then others and really has no SE's. Its worth a try if you start low and titrate up. It acts immediately like benzos, so youl know in a couple days if it will work for you or not, e.x. hypertention, something else, ive never had an SE from it and took 600mgs/day at one time while on effexor. Just a thought. Oh but its really realy expensive, hope you have a med plan if you ever decide to try it. (its quite a neet pill with many properties, like mood enhancing, SOMETIMES antianxiety for some people, it really improves memore nad how fast you can think and remember stuff and motivation. Ill probably use it on as need basis for the mornings after where I cant sleep), oh and for some people it does nothing at all.
>NardilStarted2007
Posted by tepi on November 28, 2007, at 22:25:20
In reply to Re: What about stimulants ??? any comment, posted by shasling on November 27, 2007, at 14:21:34
hi suzie , can your send me your email
all was deleted in my mail by a mistakeTepi
Posted by tepi on November 28, 2007, at 22:37:21
In reply to Re: What else with Nardil ? Sugesstions, posted by bleauberry on November 28, 2007, at 17:39:59
thank you , that was a very good post . I have added some thoughts
> I heard an alternative doc once say, "If you try 5htp up to 200mg a day, and then you add St Johns Wort to it, and you are still not getting better, believe me your depression is not due to a serotonin deficiency."
>
> That kind of logic makes sense to me. I mean, I could debate the doses and question the risk of serotonin syndrome and stuff like that, but the overall logic of the statement makes sense. The same could be applied to Nardil. If you dramatically increase serotonin, norepinephrine, dopamine, gaba, and whatever else Nardil does, and you are not getting better, you can probably be fairly sure you do not have deficiencies of those things. Your problems are from something else.
>But my guess is , why does it help me ? there must be then a defience in some of those neurotransmisors , maybe more in one and less in others
> For years and years I was, and in many ways still am, the typical babbler who is focused on hard science and brain chemistry, totally ignoring the alternative causes of mood disorders. Things like hypocortisol, candida overgrowth, food sensitivities, heavy metal burden, thyroid (even when lab tests "appear" normal). The brain is connected to the body and is dramatically impacted by what goes on in the body. I still focus on hard science, but have come to see how it is shamefully limited, and have thus taken in a great deal of knowledge of other things that powerfully impact brain function besides simple neurotransmitters.
>
I guess it is true =(> If staying focused just on the brain, then maybe look at certain receptors that are out of whack and need either an agonist or an antagonist to balance them out. Things like remeron, zyprexa, pramipexole, modafinil,...anything that either blocks or helps receptors.
>
> Might be time to open the doors to learning more about causes of mood problems other than neurotransmitter deficiencies.
>
> Simple things you can do. See if you have silver fillings.what is that??
See if you have a white coating on your tongue.
and that?
Check your body temperature first thing in the morning, and 3 more times throughout the day, record them for a couple weeks, take a lab stool sample, take a food intolerance lab test,
what for?
take a 24 hour cortisol test,
what for?try T3 or Armour Thyroid regardless of your lab results, etc.
>Im a little low on them , Im on the lower normal levels
> Or try adding something to Nardil. Not sure what the point is there though. Neurotransmitter deficiency doesn't appear to be the culprit.
Well yes , I cant denied that , but not sure what else to do , vitamins , exercise
thank you
Posted by tepi on November 28, 2007, at 22:46:59
In reply to Re: What else with Nardil ? Sugesstions » tepi, posted by Nardilstarted2007 on November 28, 2007, at 17:59:44
> > Hi all friends
> > Just wanted to ask you for some advice. Do not
> > feel presured that Im gonna take the med you tell me. Just would like to hear some thougths
> >
> > I am currentnly on
> >
> > Nardil 45mg/day + 3 mg Xanax + 1 Centrum( vitamins)
>
>
> >
> >
> > Ok Im going to do this
> >
> > Try again Nardil 90mg/day + 3 xanax + 1 vitamins
> >
> >
> > I havent done many combos with Nardil, I have just tried it with Epival ER and did not work
> >
> > I dont know what else could try. Im always
> > thinking in an stimulant ( with a lot of care)
> >
> > What combos you have heard that works the most
> > with Nardil
> >
> > ALready took it with klonopin , Valium , but Xanax works better for me
> >
> > I could also stop Nardil and give a full trial to Parnate , last time I did was for only 9 days
> >
> > Im desperately looking for a real life, so Im not gonna waste my time halfliving.
> > My real problem is social fear , and depression but more social phobia I think
> >
> > dont worry I always think alot before start a new med
> > Just looking for your opinion and different ideas
> >
> > Thank you all
> > Tepi
> >
> >
>
> Hi, I'm not to educated on combos. Ive only mixed ssri's with benzos and provagil. Now I'm on 75mgs of Nardil + xanax (four .5's a day) I tried some provagil with it just last week (because I still have some left), and at just 100 mgs in the morning I felt awake, clear, focused, more interested... More clarity and took away my zomby like feelings.that is great ! sounds good
With provagil, 100 mgs wont do you for long , maybe a couple days.. Then you need more just like the benzos (in my experience) but one you hit 2-400 hunrdred mgs/day that will last quite a long time(its like tolerance slows down at that point).
but would 400 be safe with nardil ???
I felt no SE's even though its a stimulant and its a no no with maoi's but its a special stimulant. totally different then others and really has no SE's. Its worth a try if you start low and titrate up. It acts immediately like benzos, so youl know in a couple days if it will work for you or not, e.x. hypertention, something else, ive never had an SE from it and took 600mgs/day at one time while on effexor. Just a thought. Oh but its really realy expensive, hope you have a med plan if you ever decide to try it. (
No insurance =( , I bought everything from my job earns . I`ll see how much it cost here
its quite a neet pill with many properties, like mood enhancing, SOMETIMES antianxiety for some people, it really improves memore nad how fast you can think and remember stuff and motivation. Ill probably use it on as need basis for the mornings after where I cant sleep), oh and for some people it does nothing at all.
> >NardilStarted2007so you have not stopped taking it since you started this stimulant?
have you ever tried to leave it?
dont wanna mess with 2 dependant meds like benzos and stimulants , but I think I``ll have to risk
please keep me updated on your progress
thanks
Tepi
Posted by Racer on November 29, 2007, at 1:50:57
In reply to Re: What else with Nardil ? Sugesstions » Nardilstarted2007, posted by tepi on November 28, 2007, at 22:46:59
>
> No insurance =( , I bought everything from my job earns . I`ll see how much it cost here
>Here in the States, it's about $6.75 per 100mg pill, $9.10 per 200mg pill. It's very, very expensive. Unless pricing is very different down there, I think I'd advise you not to get your hopes up.
> so you have not stopped taking it since you started this stimulant?
>
> have you ever tried to leave it?I took Provigil for a couple of years, and it was good -- although I did have some side effects, most notably a kind of killer headache every afternoon for about the first three months. It was good, though, overall, for most of that time. It helped me sleep -- slept better than ever in my life, before or since.
Stopping it, when it stopped working -- started increasing my depression -- was not a problem. I think I probably didn't sleep as well, but that's too be expected, since it helped so much with sleep.
I found the best option for me was a front-loaded, split dose: 100mg at breakfast, and another 50mg -- cut a tablet in half -- at about noon. There was a bit of a crash when it wore off if I took 100mg at noon, too, which is why I took less.
I do hope you'll consider part of what Bleuberry had to say. If you're taking Nardil, and it's not fixing the problem, it may be because the problem isn't as simple as brain chemistry related to the three neurotransmitters we talk about so much here. (Or it may be that it is one of those three molecules, but you haven't found the right drug for you -- yet. Remember that mileage varies with these medications, which is why drugs with the same basic mechanism of action work differently for each of us.) I know it's harder, but CBT type therapy could be very helpful.
By the way, has your doctor had any suggestions to help with this? Or suggestions on what to add to help with the residual symptoms?
Good luck.
Posted by Nardilstarted2007 on November 29, 2007, at 2:40:21
In reply to Re: What else with Nardil ? Sugesstions » Nardilstarted2007, posted by tepi on November 28, 2007, at 22:46:59
> > > Hi all friends
> > > Just wanted to ask you for some advice. Do not
> > > feel presured that Im gonna take the med you tell me. Just would like to hear some thougths
> > >
> > > I am currentnly on
> > >
> > > Nardil 45mg/day + 3 mg Xanax + 1 Centrum( vitamins)
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Ok Im going to do this
> > >
> > > Try again Nardil 90mg/day + 3 xanax + 1 vitamins
> > >
> > >
> > > I havent done many combos with Nardil, I have just tried it with Epival ER and did not work
> > >
> > > I dont know what else could try. Im always
> > > thinking in an stimulant ( with a lot of care)
> > >
> > > What combos you have heard that works the most
> > > with Nardil
> > >
> > > ALready took it with klonopin , Valium , but Xanax works better for me
> > >
> > > I could also stop Nardil and give a full trial to Parnate , last time I did was for only 9 days
> > >
> > > Im desperately looking for a real life, so Im not gonna waste my time halfliving.
> > > My real problem is social fear , and depression but more social phobia I think
> > >
> > > dont worry I always think alot before start a new med
> > > Just looking for your opinion and different ideas
> > >
> > > Thank you all
> > > Tepi
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Hi, I'm not to educated on combos. Ive only mixed ssri's with benzos and provagil. Now I'm on 75mgs of Nardil + xanax (four .5's a day) I tried some provagil with it just last week (because I still have some left), and at just 100 mgs in the morning I felt awake, clear, focused, more interested... More clarity and took away my zomby like feelings.
>
> that is great ! sounds good
>
> With provagil, 100 mgs wont do you for long , maybe a couple days.. Then you need more just like the benzos (in my experience) but one you hit 2-400 hunrdred mgs/day that will last quite a long time(its like tolerance slows down at that point).
>
> but would 400 be safe with nardil ???
>
> I felt no SE's even though its a stimulant and its a no no with maoi's but its a special stimulant. totally different then others and really has no SE's. Its worth a try if you start low and titrate up. It acts immediately like benzos, so youl know in a couple days if it will work for you or not, e.x. hypertention, something else, ive never had an SE from it and took 600mgs/day at one time while on effexor. Just a thought. Oh but its really realy expensive, hope you have a med plan if you ever decide to try it. (
>
> No insurance =( , I bought everything from my job earns . I`ll see how much it cost here
>
>
> its quite a neet pill with many properties, like mood enhancing, SOMETIMES antianxiety for some people, it really improves memore nad how fast you can think and remember stuff and motivation. Ill probably use it on as need basis for the mornings after where I cant sleep), oh and for some people it does nothing at all.
> > >NardilStarted2007
>
> so you have not stopped taking it since you started this stimulant?
>
> have you ever tried to leave it?
>
> dont wanna mess with 2 dependant meds like benzos and stimulants , but I think I``ll have to risk
>
> please keep me updated on your progress
> thanks
> Tepi
>
>
>
>400mgs does seem like alot to take with nardil.. I dont know if it would be safe, your probably not going to get that high anyway, 2-300 is the norm. provagil is not addictive and has no withdrawl, except youll go back to the same state your in now if you stop it
I am not still taking it regularly. I did on ssri's and went to very high doses sometimes (split throught the day) I just have some left so I will use 1-2 hundred mgs when I need it (Nardil causes me terrible insomnia) like after a night of NO sleep Provagil can keep me totally alert all day. It can really keep you busy and focused. usually peple take 2 hundred mgs a day, all in the morning or split between morning and noon. Ps. lots of people are using this stuff with maois. But dont take my pure advice because im not a doctor or specialist. I ve just had some experience with it , thats all.
your bud >Nardilstarted
Posted by FredPotter on November 29, 2007, at 13:57:11
In reply to Re: What else with Nardil ? Sugesstions » Nardilstarted2007, posted by tepi on November 28, 2007, at 22:46:59
I think plenty of people take Nardil and Provigil, but I could be wrong. I'm trying adding Nortriptyline so I can perhaps lower the Nardil side effects
Posted by FredPotter on November 29, 2007, at 13:59:44
In reply to Re: What else with Nardil ? Sugesstions » tepi, posted by Racer on November 29, 2007, at 1:50:57
. . . or it could be a lack of social contact. God knows what changes to the brain this causes
Posted by Phillipa on November 29, 2007, at 18:07:14
In reply to Re: What else with Nardil ? Sugesstions, posted by FredPotter on November 29, 2007, at 13:59:44
Tepi can you buy psychiatric meds over the counter there as you can with stuff like antibiotics or has that changed? Phillipa used to have a Jai Lai player and family live with me every year and he told me this. Phillipa
Posted by UGottaHaveHOPE on November 30, 2007, at 20:23:36
In reply to What else with Nardil ? Sugesstions, posted by tepi on November 25, 2007, at 14:06:03
Seroquel will help you sleep, as well as treat depression and any possible BPII symptoms. Dosage of Seroquel would be 25 to 400mg.
Posted by tepi on December 2, 2007, at 17:04:23
In reply to Re: What else with Nardil ? Sugesstions » tepi, posted by Racer on November 29, 2007, at 1:50:57
> >
> > No insurance =( , I bought everything from my job earns . I`ll see how much it cost here
> >
>
> Here in the States, it's about $6.75 per 100mg pill, $9.10 per 200mg pill. It's very, very expensive. Unless pricing is very different down there, I think I'd advise you not to get your hopes up.
>=( oh my god it is very expensive. Generally all these new drugs are even more expensive here
> By the way, has your doctor had any suggestions to help with this? Or suggestions on what to add to help with the residual symptoms?
>
> Good luck.
I have no Doctor here , I dont see more doctors anymore. They just dont know what to do . They got scared when they hear I am on a MAOI.
Dont know what to do , and the first they think it is to take me off NardilHave u heard anybody using Nardil + Provigil?
Posted by tepi on December 2, 2007, at 17:08:27
In reply to Re: What else with Nardil ? Sugesstions » tepi, posted by Nardilstarted2007 on November 29, 2007, at 2:40:21
> >
>
> 400mgs does seem like alot to take with nardil.. I dont know if it would be safe, your probably not going to get that high anyway, 2-300 is the norm. provagil is not addictive and has no withdrawl, except youll go back to the same state your in now if you stop itthat sounds interesting
> I am not still taking it regularly. I did on ssri's and went to very high doses sometimes (split throught the day) I just have some left so I will use 1-2 hundred mgs when I need it (Nardil causes me terrible insomnia) like after a night of NO sleep Provagil can keep me totally alert all day. It can really keep you busy and focused.
So you take it with Nardil ? Im afraid if nardil cause imnsomia then the provigil would make this worst rigth??
>usually peple take 2 hundred mgs a day, all in the morning or split between morning and noon. Ps. lots of people are using this stuff with maois. But dont take my pure advice because im not a doctor or specialist. I ve just had some experience with it , thats all.
> your bud >Nardilstarted
>thankyou!
Posted by tepi on December 2, 2007, at 17:14:25
In reply to Re: What else with Nardil ? Sugesstions, posted by Phillipa on November 29, 2007, at 18:07:14
> Tepi can you buy psychiatric meds over the counter there as you can with stuff like antibiotics or has that changed? Phillipa used to have a Jai Lai player and family live with me every year and he told me this. Phillipa
mmm no philippa , that it is not possible. Well it depends what kind of psychiatric drug you mean
None of the benzos are available wituhoput precription, neither stimulants
Others like SRRIS , antypsychicotics .. no problem with them
Tepi
Posted by tepi on December 2, 2007, at 17:16:56
In reply to Consider adding Seroquel » tepi, posted by UGottaHaveHOPE on November 30, 2007, at 20:23:36
> Seroquel will help you sleep, as well as treat depression and any possible BPII symptoms. Dosage of Seroquel would be 25 to 400mg.
I have taken it in the past . I know it is a good drug , it was a good drug for me.
I will not hesitate in take it again if it was necessary .
It is the only drug that can help my Nardil insomia on 60mg and morethanks
Posted by bleauberry on December 3, 2007, at 20:25:28
In reply to Re: What else with Nardil ? Sugesstions » bleauberry, posted by tepi on November 28, 2007, at 22:37:21
.
> > Simple things you can do. See if you have silver fillings.
>
> what is that??Silver fillings in teeth are 50% mercury. Mercury vapor absorbs into 24/7. It is the second most neurotoxic substance on the planet. In the last few years it has become accepted and proven in pioneering medicine that mercury poisoning comes from silver fillings. It is not accepted in mainstream medicine. It is easily proven with a saliva mercury test.
>
> See if you have a white coating on your tongue.
>
> and that?Candida fungus overgrowth. A normal but bad fungus we all have, usually kept in small numbers, but in stress or bad diet or antibiotic usage can overwhelm and take over. It spews filthy toxins in your blood that makes you feel, well, depressed. The white coating is an indicator.
>
> Check your body temperature first thing in the morning, and 3 more times throughout the day, record them for a couple weeks, take a lab stool sample, take a food intolerance lab test,
>
> what for?If your temp at waking is below 97.6 degrees, something is wrong, either adrenals or thyroid or both. Depending on how the temperature fluctuates during the day, or doesn't fluctuate, you can more accurately pinpoint whether it is the adrenals or thyroid. Either one will dramatically affect how your brain neurotransmitters behave. Like a conductor in a orchestra, the glands tell our neuros what to do and when. Just because there is an abundance of musicians present doesn't mean squat.
Food intolerance test will tell you what foods are making you feel bad. Gluten (in wheat, oats, rye) are most common, as well as dairy. For an easy test, stop wheat for 2 weeks and see how you feel. Eat a bunch of wheat after that and see how you feel. Same with dairy. Could be other things, those are just the common ones. 15% of the population have bad reactions, usually depression or fatigue or joint pains, from gluten, and they don't even know it is their food doing it.
A stool test will spot indigestion problems, malabsorption, candida overgrowth, parasites, and such. Any of these things are detrimental to how you feel.
>
>
> take a 24 hour cortisol test,
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> what for?To see how the adrenal glands are performing over a 24 hour cycle. The pattern of cortisol will tell us if your glands are weak, overactive, or just right. If weak or overactive, we will have psychiatric symptoms.
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>Many doctors in the know feel thyroid numbers should be high normal for optimum performance, and that problems do show up in the low normal range. People who were in the normal range responded miraculously to T3. Even if numbers are normal, we have no way of knowing how the receptors themselves are responding to the T3 that is there. They might need more to wake up.
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> Well yes , I cant denied that , but not sure what else to do , vitamins , exercise
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> thank youYeah I know. So many things to look at. The best our doctors seem to do is try in vain to ease our symptoms without looking at where the symptoms are coming from, which is actually pretty easy to do, easier than the whole game of trying to treat the symptoms really.
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Posted by Phillipa on December 4, 2007, at 0:09:36
In reply to Re: What else with Nardil ? Sugesstions, posted by bleauberry on December 3, 2007, at 20:25:28
Blueberry the endos now want TSH to be l-2 lower range of normal. Phillipa
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