Posted by bleauberry on November 28, 2007, at 17:39:59
In reply to What else with Nardil ? Sugesstions, posted by tepi on November 25, 2007, at 14:06:03
I heard an alternative doc once say, "If you try 5htp up to 200mg a day, and then you add St Johns Wort to it, and you are still not getting better, believe me your depression is not due to a serotonin deficiency."
That kind of logic makes sense to me. I mean, I could debate the doses and question the risk of serotonin syndrome and stuff like that, but the overall logic of the statement makes sense. The same could be applied to Nardil. If you dramatically increase serotonin, norepinephrine, dopamine, gaba, and whatever else Nardil does, and you are not getting better, you can probably be fairly sure you do not have deficiencies of those things. Your problems are from something else.
For years and years I was, and in many ways still am, the typical babbler who is focused on hard science and brain chemistry, totally ignoring the alternative causes of mood disorders. Things like hypocortisol, candida overgrowth, food sensitivities, heavy metal burden, thyroid (even when lab tests "appear" normal). The brain is connected to the body and is dramatically impacted by what goes on in the body. I still focus on hard science, but have come to see how it is shamefully limited, and have thus taken in a great deal of knowledge of other things that powerfully impact brain function besides simple neurotransmitters.
If staying focused just on the brain, then maybe look at certain receptors that are out of whack and need either an agonist or an antagonist to balance them out. Things like remeron, zyprexa, pramipexole, modafinil,...anything that either blocks or helps receptors.
Might be time to open the doors to learning more about causes of mood problems other than neurotransmitter deficiencies.
Simple things you can do. See if you have silver fillings. See if you have a white coating on your tongue. Check your body temperature first thing in the morning, and 3 more times throughout the day, record them for a couple weeks, take a lab stool sample, take a food intolerance lab test, take a 24 hour cortisol test, try T3 or Armour Thyroid regardless of your lab results, etc.
Or try adding something to Nardil. Not sure what the point is there though. Neurotransmitter deficiency doesn't appear to be the culprit.
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