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Posted by blueberry1 on May 11, 2007, at 19:25:09
Just a quick hello. New doctor these days. He is awesome. Diagnosed me not with depression or anxiety, but rather neurotoxicity. In the process of doing some specialized Johns Hopkins tests and treatments. Sounds expensive but they are actually cheap, easy, and natural. Neurotoxicity from mercury fillings, copper water pipes, SSRIs, SNRIs, antipsychotics, and stimulants.
No drugs in months. Doing a lot better. Much room for improvement, but better than any drug in 10 years. I always swore by psychiatric drugs. Complete faith in them. Looking back now from the the other side of the fence, I can see how neurotoxic and damaging they really are. Takes a long time and lots of specialized effort to heal from the dramatic brain abnormalities they cause.
There are a dozen or more physical bodily causes of depression and anxiety. Deficient serotonin, norepinephrine, dopamine, gaba are just symptoms of something else that is awry. In short, as long as the brain is intact (hasn't had a bullet or baseball bat), it can work just fine until impacted upon by an outside force. One or more of those listed above. Even genetic abnormalities can be manipulated with specific nutrients and supplements.
Thumbs up to all. Hey, I still have depression and anxiety just like you all. Just not nearly as bad and not nearly as often as I used to. The best move I ever made was weening off drugs and getting a lot of testing done along with specific nurtrients and supplements.
1 tsp ish oil.
2 caps borage oil.
2 caps cordyceps.
1 mega B vitamin.
1 regular vitamin with no copper in it.
half my body weight in ounces of clean water per day (water in a plastic container is not clean, must be glass).
lots of greens and colors on the plate at mealtimes.Coming up. Detox and repair.
Hi to all my good friends!
Posted by Crazy Horse on May 11, 2007, at 19:57:28
In reply to Checking In, posted by blueberry1 on May 11, 2007, at 19:25:09
> Just a quick hello. New doctor these days. He is awesome. Diagnosed me not with depression or anxiety, but rather neurotoxicity. In the process of doing some specialized Johns Hopkins tests and treatments. Sounds expensive but they are actually cheap, easy, and natural. Neurotoxicity from mercury fillings, copper water pipes, SSRIs, SNRIs, antipsychotics, and stimulants.
>
> No drugs in months. Doing a lot better. Much room for improvement, but better than any drug in 10 years. I always swore by psychiatric drugs. Complete faith in them. Looking back now from the the other side of the fence, I can see how neurotoxic and damaging they really are. Takes a long time and lots of specialized effort to heal from the dramatic brain abnormalities they cause.
>
> There are a dozen or more physical bodily causes of depression and anxiety. Deficient serotonin, norepinephrine, dopamine, gaba are just symptoms of something else that is awry. In short, as long as the brain is intact (hasn't had a bullet or baseball bat), it can work just fine until impacted upon by an outside force. One or more of those listed above. Even genetic abnormalities can be manipulated with specific nutrients and supplements.
>
> Thumbs up to all. Hey, I still have depression and anxiety just like you all. Just not nearly as bad and not nearly as often as I used to. The best move I ever made was weening off drugs and getting a lot of testing done along with specific nurtrients and supplements.
>
> 1 tsp ish oil.
> 2 caps borage oil.
> 2 caps cordyceps.
> 1 mega B vitamin.
> 1 regular vitamin with no copper in it.
> half my body weight in ounces of clean water per day (water in a plastic container is not clean, must be glass).
> lots of greens and colors on the plate at mealtimes.
>
> Coming up. Detox and repair.
>
> Hi to all my good friends!
>Sounds interesting and very promising. I am happy for you..keep us posted.
-Monte
Posted by blueberry1 on May 11, 2007, at 20:14:39
In reply to Checking In, posted by blueberry1 on May 11, 2007, at 19:25:09
Almost forgot:
50mg alpha-lipoic acid.
High dose vitamin C.
And a little extra zinc.
In addition to:
Mega B complex.
Fish oil (mercury free)
Borage oil
Cordyceps
Vitamin with no copper (sure, copper is a necessary ingredient for us, but it IS a heavy metal and it accumulates to psychiatrically dangerous levels)
Half of body weight in ounces of clean water (for me that's 65 ounces or about 4 bottles)...since I'm already in neurotoxicity, even the small amount of chemicals that leach out of plastic containers is too much for me...must be glass bottle.Likely coming up, mentioned by doctor (Board Certified medical doctor, just likes nutritional repair better than chemicals, directed by tests of blood, lipid, fatty acid, glucose, toxicity, and hormones, and whatever else he suspects depending on symptoms):
Glutathione
Phosphatidalcholine (unfortunately not the kind we can buy at the store...some special kind from Johns Hopkins Research Hospital). According to Johns Hopkins Hospital phosph-c is the proving to be a potent superstar in neurological and psychiatric repair.Things I'm interested in:
COq10
Inositol
High dose niacinimide (a form of vitamin B3) at bedtime...acts similar to benzos.
Cilantro+chlorella combo (powerful heavy metal detox and protector from daily toxic exposures.
Milk thistle. Good liver protection.
But doctor hasn't mentioned them so they stay on the watch list until he says sure.Most important of all though...nothing works without this...striving for a close relationship with God of the bible.
Just like the old days, I ramble on and on :-)
Anyway, goodbye zyprexa. Goodbye prozac. Goodbye paxil. Goodbye zoloft. Goodbye cymbalta. Goodbye lexapro. Goodbye seroquel. Goodbye xanax. Goodbye klonopin. Goodbye depakote. Goodbye lithium. Goodbye lamictal. Goodbye St Johns Wort. Goodbye ritalin. Goodbye adderall. Goodbye lunesta. Goodbye ambien. Goodbye electroconvulsive therapy. Goodbye tramadol. And goodbye to the dozen or so I forgot.
I must admit, prozac and zyprexa were good friends for a few years. For quick relief, zyprexa is king. Xanax was good for a while too. Tramadol was cool for a couple weeks. But oh my did they all make things worse down the road.
Please take care all.
Posted by Sebastian on May 11, 2007, at 20:25:22
In reply to Re: Follow Up, posted by blueberry1 on May 11, 2007, at 20:14:39
So have you realy stoped all those meds already, compleatly? Or still reducing. And how is it going?
My pdoc has started me on Glycine, which is nuro protective, anti-psychotic. Its a amino acid protein bulding block. Totaly natural over the counter, supliment.
No plans to stoping any meds though.
Posted by willyee on May 11, 2007, at 20:54:05
In reply to Re: Follow Up, posted by Sebastian on May 11, 2007, at 20:25:22
> So have you realy stoped all those meds already, compleatly? Or still reducing. And how is it going?
>
> My pdoc has started me on Glycine, which is nuro protective, anti-psychotic. Its a amino acid protein bulding block. Totaly natural over the counter, supliment.
>
> No plans to stoping any meds though.GLycine is both inhibitory and excitatory.There is a stimulant form called DMG dimethylglycine which is glycine bonded to a methly to cross right to the brain.
This was infamous in olympics because its known to increase energy and is a stimulant.
Be careful using it,as with any amino using them single can cause an imbalance of others.So most people will recomend a cycle when using any single or group of aminos.Lot of lifters use the GH aminos.
Personaly i see taurine as a better choice than glycine,but thats me.Just be careful in thinking natural means nothing,natural stuff can make u feel horrable too if its not taken properly.
Most single aminos need to be cycled or an imbalance will occur.Aminos need to be balanced in general as they are the building blocks of ur body and form the protien chains.
Posted by Sebastian on May 11, 2007, at 21:20:32
In reply to Re: Follow Up, posted by willyee on May 11, 2007, at 20:54:05
What do you mean by cycling, how do you do that? Do you take one for a while, then anouther. Why is this necessary? I'm also taking L-Lycine, because I bought it by mistake. Not cycling them though. How much Glycine a day?
Posted by Phillipa on May 11, 2007, at 22:29:31
In reply to Re: Follow Up, posted by blueberry1 on May 11, 2007, at 20:14:39
Blueberry please babblemail me with more info pretty pretty please? Love Phillipa
Posted by willyee on May 11, 2007, at 22:47:36
In reply to Re: Follow Up » willyee, posted by Sebastian on May 11, 2007, at 21:20:32
> What do you mean by cycling, how do you do that? Do you take one for a while, then anouther. Why is this necessary? I'm also taking L-Lycine, because I bought it by mistake. Not cycling them though. How much Glycine a day?
Well id look at google groups SMART DRUGS they talk about nutrients there.
Also do some reading.
All i mean by cycling is take a few days off to let ur balance re adjust.
Amino acids are natural,and amino therapy is a good choice to try,but like eveything it doesent mean its not to be understood.There are even books on amino acids.People use ones like l carnthinine for fat loss,or gaba and l arginine for GH while lifting,l glutamine as well.
But its important to give ur body time to re adjust.Remeber you loading a natural amino beyone its normal intake,so its no longer a NATURAL process,just a safer one.
Cycle means to just take a day or so off and let ur body re adjust.Id also read into taurine for the reasons ur taking glycine.
Last remeber when supplementing a amino best to take it on a empty stomach,with fruit juice.
U dont want protein present or it iwll bind to to it and u wont get the benifit ur seeking.
Fruit just has the insulin release to drive the amino.If you gonna use glycine,look in DMG its a potent method of glycine where again its attatched to a methyl donor which takes it right to the brain.
Amino acids dont easly cross the blood brain barrier,which is why gaba is not used instead of all these gaba drugs.
Posted by Meri-Tuuli on May 12, 2007, at 2:40:16
In reply to Re: Follow Up, posted by blueberry1 on May 11, 2007, at 20:14:39
Hey!
Thats great news! I'm really happy things are going okay.
Pysch drugs and their 'reputation' have alot to answer for. Plus people seem to forget that you can't stay indefinately on something, although people do, and really these drugs weren't really meant for longer term use.
I mean, prozac has only been around since the 1980s at best, and I mean, no-one knows what happens if you have to take it for like 40 years or whatever.
I haven't taken a pysch drug in over a year, and I'm doing much better than I ever was on any drug. Although you do have some good days some bad, but you learn alterative strategies for coping with the bad days. And this is something that is definately suistainable in the long term.
Plus, what about psychological causes of depression/anxiety????
I always feel that the biological cause is totally over represented. I think alot of depression/anxiety is psychological in nature.
Posted by willyee on May 12, 2007, at 7:13:17
In reply to Re: Follow Up~blueberry, posted by Meri-Tuuli on May 12, 2007, at 2:40:16
> Hey!
>
> Thats great news! I'm really happy things are going okay.
>
> Pysch drugs and their 'reputation' have alot to answer for. Plus people seem to forget that you can't stay indefinately on something, although people do, and really these drugs weren't really meant for longer term use.
>
> I mean, prozac has only been around since the 1980s at best, and I mean, no-one knows what happens if you have to take it for like 40 years or whatever.
>
> I haven't taken a pysch drug in over a year, and I'm doing much better than I ever was on any drug. Although you do have some good days some bad, but you learn alterative strategies for coping with the bad days. And this is something that is definately suistainable in the long term.
>
> Plus, what about psychological causes of depression/anxiety????
>
> I always feel that the biological cause is totally over represented. I think alot of depression/anxiety is psychological in nature.
>
>
>Funny i always believed the opposite,for example when im told to "try" or "snap out of it" or to "get out around people more" this to me are my goals not options.
When drugs are working i feel a brisk of normality in my life,i go out,and simple things like shopping all day walking in the mall with no urge to leave etc,and im a happy camper.
But there is no way to know for sure,one thing i agree on and im glad you titled it the way you did is we shouldent forget they are drugs,not medication,and the body does what it is supposed to and fights,and adapts to drugs so it doesent make it easier for them to work.
I dont mind being on a "drug" long as i feel its under some form of control,fda reviewed,or if DRUG DRUG has a reputation for low abuse potential and some form of theprutic use.
I believe one day when there is enough pressure put on the big pharm companys,the brain and these illnesses will be looked on with more scieance,and drugs made with more scieance and actualy known exactly what its doing,i.e what it is treating,tested for dosage,tested for continued dosage,etc,and more scieance put into the drugs so we can call them medication.
I applaud your ability to get off,i managed to do it for a year,it was a rough year,i became 100 percent self absorbed in worrying about my situation and fighting everyday that i lost track of people around me,and in turn LOST THEM.Thanks for the post
Posted by Meri-Tuuli on May 12, 2007, at 8:11:20
In reply to Re: Follow Up~blueberry, posted by willyee on May 12, 2007, at 7:13:17
Hey!
> Funny i always believed the opposite,for example when im told to "try" or "snap out of it" or to "get out around people more" this to me are my goals not options.
Yeah, I hate that too. But thats not what I meant. What I meant was like long term therapy or CBT or something like that. I don't know much about therapy, but......
What I'm trying to say is that I view psych drugs like 'band aids' and you're just there to act as an emergency rescue aides. I don't think people should be on them long term.
And there is this view that one can simply take a pill and be alright again. Its not like that -- the brain and mind and emotions and behaviours are much more complex than that.
I'm just trying to say that IMO, the pharma school of depression relief is over represented. I'm not saying it doesn't work, or that it doesn't have its place. Just that there are far more people seeking depression relief through (conventional) pills than there are seeking other methods (be it therapy, etc). It seems to be the 'norm' to take pills if you're depressed. But why?
But then, what do I know?
Kind regards
Meri
Posted by chiron on May 12, 2007, at 9:41:55
In reply to Checking In, posted by blueberry1 on May 11, 2007, at 19:25:09
I just got a 24-hour copper urine test back for Wilson's disease that was higher than normal (blood copper was ok). It wasn't high enough to be diagnosed with Wilson's, but I was excited to know that maybe that is part of my problem. Still need to meet with the dr. about the next step. I'm going to start taking zinc to try and off-set it.
Did you do any 24-hour urine testing? Did any of your copper tests come back abnormal?
Posted by saturn on May 12, 2007, at 19:04:29
In reply to Checking In, posted by blueberry1 on May 11, 2007, at 19:25:09
Hi Blueberry glad to hear of your progress. I'm really happy for you.
Is this a regular p-doc you're seeing? Is he staffed at John Hopkins? Just curious.
Peace...Saturn.
Posted by Declan on May 12, 2007, at 19:21:05
In reply to Checking In, posted by blueberry1 on May 11, 2007, at 19:25:09
This is really impressive, Blueberry.
When I went to my nutritional doctor he found so many things wrong with me.
He used a higher standard of comparison (olympic athlete level) so that we could see the way in which multiple dysfunctions combined to produce the state I was in.
He is prepared to use drugs where essential (and I certainly am).
The regime he put me on gave me a fighting chance.
Posted by deniseuk190466 on May 21, 2007, at 16:34:35
In reply to Checking In, posted by blueberry1 on May 11, 2007, at 19:25:09
Hi Blueberry,
I'm really pleased for you but I have to admit I'm really miffed as to how somebody as depressed as you were (suicidal sometimes) can suddenly feel better by taking vitamins and extra clear water.
Are you sure you are not feeling better from rebound ECT or from coming off the Ultram? You said you were doing great on the Ultram before. Or maybe you have some sort of bipolar disorder and you are on some kind of high from that
I'm sorry if I sound skeptical but I came off antidepressants, had a nutritional doc check me out, they said I was low on magnesium so I had magnesium shots which did didley squat.
It would be nice to think that this is working for you but I just can't understand how.
Denise
Posted by ronaldo on May 25, 2007, at 11:18:19
In reply to Checking In, posted by blueberry1 on May 11, 2007, at 19:25:09
Hello blueberry,
I thought you'd left the planet...lol I'm glad to know you are doing so well. Keep it up.
I got off the Zyprexa; off 2 months now. On 7.5 mg of Remeron for sleep. Sort of works - OK but not great. Weaning off 5 mg Valium - down to 3 mg. Otherwise surviving.
I'm glad you are feeling so good. Neurotoxicity does not surprise me. I always thought you took a mega load of drugs.
Good luck with the detox.
ronaldo
> Just a quick hello. New doctor these days. He is awesome. Diagnosed me not with depression or anxiety, but rather neurotoxicity. In the process of doing some specialized Johns Hopkins tests and treatments. Sounds expensive but they are actually cheap, easy, and natural. Neurotoxicity from mercury fillings, copper water pipes, SSRIs, SNRIs, antipsychotics, and stimulants.
>
> No drugs in months. Doing a lot better. Much room for improvement, but better than any drug in 10 years. I always swore by psychiatric drugs. Complete faith in them. Looking back now from the the other side of the fence, I can see how neurotoxic and damaging they really are. Takes a long time and lots of specialized effort to heal from the dramatic brain abnormalities they cause.
>
> There are a dozen or more physical bodily causes of depression and anxiety. Deficient serotonin, norepinephrine, dopamine, gaba are just symptoms of something else that is awry. In short, as long as the brain is intact (hasn't had a bullet or baseball bat), it can work just fine until impacted upon by an outside force. One or more of those listed above. Even genetic abnormalities can be manipulated with specific nutrients and supplements.
>
> Thumbs up to all. Hey, I still have depression and anxiety just like you all. Just not nearly as bad and not nearly as often as I used to. The best move I ever made was weening off drugs and getting a lot of testing done along with specific nurtrients and supplements.
>
> 1 tsp ish oil.
> 2 caps borage oil.
> 2 caps cordyceps.
> 1 mega B vitamin.
> 1 regular vitamin with no copper in it.
> half my body weight in ounces of clean water per day (water in a plastic container is not clean, must be glass).
> lots of greens and colors on the plate at mealtimes.
>
> Coming up. Detox and repair.
>
> Hi to all my good friends!
>
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