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Posted by Declan on February 13, 2007, at 20:35:25
In reply to Re: Back from Exile » laima, posted by Quintal on February 13, 2007, at 19:52:36
>I don't think there is any problem in simultaneously recognizing both the therapeutic effects of benzos and the pitfalls.<
I agree. Black and white thinking and the party line.
Posted by Phillipa on February 13, 2007, at 20:39:03
In reply to Re: Back from Exile » laima, posted by Quintal on February 13, 2007, at 19:52:36
Q but during the years I have stopped them cold turkey on my own not knowing adverse affects could happen. When life was stable or I was involved with kid, school, divorce and didn't have any problem. Stresses are great right now hence the need. They will once again go down hence to benzo need. I have already cut valium by 5mg and luvox by 25mg. I for one don't think ad's work at least for me. So why risk withdrawal from something I don't want or seem to respond to? Love Phillipa
Posted by Phillipa on February 13, 2007, at 20:41:02
In reply to Re: Back from Exile, posted by Declan on February 13, 2007, at 20:35:25
Also at one point was on 20cc of chloral hydrate, xanax, and klonopin. I stopped the chloral hydrate myself. Love Phillipa ps klonopin depresses me
Posted by laima on February 13, 2007, at 20:51:46
In reply to Re: Back from Exile, posted by Declan on February 13, 2007, at 20:35:25
Gray thinking is the most controversial and unpopular sort, it seems to me, no matter what the topic. Speaking abstractly here, party lines look to have a lot more pizzazz and reassuring certainty to them.
> >I don't think there is any problem in simultaneously recognizing both the therapeutic effects of benzos and the pitfalls.<
>
> I agree. Black and white thinking and the party line.
Posted by Quintal on February 13, 2007, at 20:58:44
In reply to Re: Back from Exile » Quintal, posted by Phillipa on February 13, 2007, at 20:39:03
>Q but during the years I have stopped them cold turkey on my own not knowing adverse affects could happen
Maybe a longer taper would have been easier and more tolerable for you?
>When life was stable or I was involved with kid, school, divorce and didn't have any problem. Stresses are great right now hence the need. They will once again go down hence to benzo need. I have already cut Valium by 5mg and luvox by 25mg. I for one don't think ad's work at least for me. So why risk withdrawal from something I don't want or seem to respond to? Love Phillipa
I can't really get a grasp of what you're saying there Phillipa. I'm not trying to get you off them per se, but when you keep posting about your continued problems with severe anxiety and insomnia despite taking two benzos and a third benzo-like hypnotic I honestly wonder how much they are really helping you. If you were taking benzos and were happy and symptom free then I would have no problem with the idea of you continuing with them, but that isn't the case. As has been suggested before, it seems very likely that you've developed tolerance to them and though you cling to the idea they are helping you in fact they may only be keeping you in a state of semi-withdrawal; i.e. you get withdrawal symptoms during the day and only a few hours of relief at night, since that's when you taken them all.
Lowering your dose in this case makes little sense - better to go off them altogether and give yourself a chance to adjust. Either that or raise the dose a bit if your pdoc will allow it and maybe take the Xanax through the day as I emailed you? I'll paste the table I sent you here just in case you lost it.
__________________________________________________Breakfast:
0.25mg Xanax (~equivalent to 5mg Valium)
Lunch:
0.25mg Xanax (~equivalent to 5mg Valium)
Dinner:
0.25mg Xanax (~equivalent to 5mg Valium)
Supper/Bedtime:
Either: 0.5mg Xanax and 3mg Lunesta OR: (and I would recommend this if your pdoc would allow it) increase your Lunesta to 6mg (equivalent to 20mg Valium) and take that as a single dose at night.
Here is a benzodiazepine equivalence so you can check the doses yourself:
http://www.bcnc.org.uk/equivalence.html
__________________________________________________You could also try cross-tapering your benzos with Lyrica or simply adding it to the benzos as an augmenter. Of course there's the added complication of the Synthroid and hyperactive thyroid gland. Maybe the benzos have been masking the effect of the Synthroid - you could in fact need a lower dose?
Q
Posted by laima on February 13, 2007, at 21:40:05
In reply to Re: Back from Exile » Phillipa, posted by Quintal on February 13, 2007, at 20:58:44
I cautiously would say Quinton's on to something worth considering. I also wonder if just cutting down a little on any benzos would be pointless in that it would put you in a greater state of withdrawal, if that does turn out to be the case of what may be happening. (?) I'd almost suspect you'd be better off either just switching your dosage times around strategically and/or not cutting, or cutting them out for a period altogether (tapering properly, of course).
Strategically- I mean, for example, (and pending doctor's approval), what if you took the long lasting valium earlier in the evening, and then it could wear off by morning so you wouldn't feel groggy then? If you took valium earlier in the day, and couldn't sleep at night as a result, what if you then took the xanax at bedtime, with the thought it would be easily worn off by morning? That kind of thing- but again of course, a doctor would have to figure some of that out and approve it.
Posted by Meri-Tuuli on February 14, 2007, at 3:06:20
In reply to Back from Exile, posted by Quintal on February 13, 2007, at 15:56:22
Posted by Klavot on February 14, 2007, at 9:09:35
In reply to Re: Back from Exile, posted by dbc on February 13, 2007, at 18:29:25
I don't think Quintal was blocked for "harping on the same subject", by which you presumably mean talking about benzodiazepines / Ashton; he was blocked for being uncivil as defined by Psycho-Babble rules. Thus I see no problem with his continuing the benzodiazepine / Ashton discussion.
Klavot
> So you get spanked for harping on the same subject constantly and then you go back to the exact same subject.
>
> Im trying to be nice about this but get some perspective sir.
Posted by liliths on February 16, 2007, at 14:45:29
In reply to Back from Exile, posted by Quintal on February 13, 2007, at 15:56:22
Posted by Quintal on February 17, 2007, at 20:30:41
In reply to Re: Back from Exile: Welcome back Q! (nm) » Quintal, posted by liliths on February 16, 2007, at 14:45:29
Thanks liliths, I didn't see any new posts or threads about what came of your hearing. You must have had it by now? How are you and what happened?
Q
Posted by liliths on February 19, 2007, at 12:09:11
In reply to Re: Back from Exile: Welcome back Q! » liliths, posted by Quintal on February 17, 2007, at 20:30:41
hi Q
thanks for asking - it's a big mess
I did post an update on the work board after the hearing:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/work/20061208/msgs/723561.htmlbut have since had things happen... such as actually getting a copy of their contract, which has caused me to have a fit!
It's a 'standard' addict/alcoholic's contract and since I'm neither, I can't see the point in complying with something so stringent. I must make daily calls to 'discover' if it's my day to get to a lab within 12 hours (though they won't tell you where the labs are until you sign so you haven't a clue how far you may have to travel) and pee in front of someone (of course, at your own expense), ALL my doctors must provide quarterly reports (again at my own expense), I must obtain approval for EVERY prescription medication before being allowed to take it and I'm not allowed ANY alcohol
does ANY of this even make sense to you?? And the contract that they get fat off the state from is for 5 f***ing years!!
there's supposedly an appeals process but damned if I can get anyone to help me figure it out and the clock's ticking... which means if I want to appeal, I obviously have to get a lawyer. That means looking at legal aid or something but it means making an effort I'm too tired to make. Every earlier attempt tp speak with an atty was a bust. Bewteen PRN being a big dog no one wants to touch to the fact that they all react when they hear the word "painkiller" and immediately assume I am an addict. It doesn't matter that in 5 years, I never needed to change my therapeutic dose... nor that I've since stopped it. Though I had oral surgery last week and I will say, that's one of the perks of not taking it daily - it is more effective for pain LOL
they've made the entire experience so awful... it's simply not worth fighting for anymore. I won't pretend I'm not miserable about it, but I also won't pretend to have any energy left to fight a grinding machine, which only seems to chew me up and spit me out.
I've been off the hydro for awhile. Starting taking tianeptine, which seems to help some - particularly in the mornings when I take my ADD meds.
but they don't make a pill to stabilize a depression created by external sources. Even the hydro doesn't make me feel better enough anymore. I barely leave the house and just feel frozen into a kind of blank emptiness
nothing gets through. I tell myself I don't care - it's time to move forward but at night instead of sleeping, my head rants about this and I wake up dreading every moment of every day
haven't posted much here because even writing has become hard and I do apologize, as I appear to be having a particularly vicious day
I'm angry with no outlet and no energy to even bother finding one
I'd better go - nothing good's coming out of this post - again, I do apologize for whining
namaste,
lilith> Thanks liliths, I didn't see any new posts or threads about what came of your hearing. You must have had it by now? How are you and what happened?
>
> Q
Posted by Phillipa on February 19, 2007, at 19:18:14
In reply to Re: Back from Exile: Welcome back Q! » Quintal, posted by liliths on February 19, 2007, at 12:09:11
Simply horrible. I think by now I wouldn't even want to be part of the profession. So that's what happens to honest people? Not fair and you deserve better. I'm so sorry. Love Phillipa
Posted by Quintal on February 19, 2007, at 21:57:06
In reply to Re: Back from Exile: Welcome back Q! » Quintal, posted by liliths on February 19, 2007, at 12:09:11
I'm sorry to hear that lilith. I don't watch the work board so that'll be why I didn't see your posts.
>does ANY of this even make sense to you?? And the contract that they get fat off the state from is for 5 f***ing years!!
I don't understand why you can't have any alcohol. It only makes sense as a way of Big Brother flexing his muscles and throwing his weight around. It makes me angry to hear what they're doing to you.
I don't really know what to say other than I feel for you and wish I could have done more to help you through the whole process. I hope you can find a way of getting back into work or doing something you enjoy. I remember you saying you worked in a few different fields a while ago. could you try to find work there again?
How about taking up (again I know) a new career path or training course?
Q
Posted by liliths on February 20, 2007, at 7:21:08
In reply to Re: Back from Exile: Welcome back Q! » liliths, posted by Phillipa on February 19, 2007, at 19:18:14
hi Philippa
thank you so much for your support. You're right, I don't want to do it anymore... this nightmare just sucked the dream out of me
on the other hand, I've already paid the damn state for my license, gave up my house and 2 years of my life to accomplish this, got good grades, passed the damn Certification Boards and even already belong to the professional organizations. Ironic, I have insurance for something I'm not allowed to practice. It never occurred to me that this would happen.
Totally floored me... and basically is killing me. You're right, I didn't deserve it and that's what makes it that much harder to accept. Realizing how little I really matter as an individual hasn't been easy at my age. This was my last shot at getting back on my feet. Now I can't even leave the house
I may not see myself practicing, but at the same time, I HATE just giving up and letting them win. Though the truth is, since I have been unable to get anyone to even tell me how to go about the appeals process, I haven't the energy to fight anymore. I'm just afraid if I let it pass without doing something, I'll hate myself even more for the failure
yes, this IS what happens to honest people! Imagine, if I hadn't checked the damn box admitting to be treated, I'd actually have gotten my license, no questions asked, months ago.
My doctors assured me I wouldn't be discriminated against, that being honest was the best way to deal with it, and I knew that if I didn't admit it and it caught up to me, I'd be guilty of committing fraud. I didn't think I had any reason NOT to be honest. I do prefer to be truthful. It is my first reaction
But I'm SO sorry now. I certainly learned my lesson... though it's too late
you really are a lovely light on this board :)
thanks again.. hope you have a glorious day
namaste,
lilith> Simply horrible. I think by now I wouldn't even want to be part of the profession. So that's what happens to honest people? Not fair and you deserve better. I'm so sorry. Love Phillipa
Posted by liliths on February 20, 2007, at 7:34:56
In reply to Re: Back from Exile: Welcome back Q! » liliths, posted by Quintal on February 19, 2007, at 21:57:06
good morning Q
reading your post brought tears to my eyes because I know you really do wish there was something you could've done.
This board is the only place that really 'gets' what I've gone through. I've had to sever most of my friendships, barely leave the house. I know most people just think I am being 'difficult and selfish' as I just don't have the energy to take care of anyone, much less fake feeling 'fine' in order to go out
the whole contract IS simply about control... and $$. PRN gets off on controlling me (particularly as I fought back) and their contracts net them a lot of money.. from the state, from the labs they use, from me
yes, I've done many things... the problem is I no longer even know how to go out anymore, much less look for work. And in some of my fields, I'm simply too old. Younger, more eager and now better educated people are out there in droves. I put so much time into going back to school, I lost a lot of my creative edge.... and my confidence.
Being treated like this hasn't brought out the best in me.
I keep wishing for a terminal illness. It would makes things SO much easier. I don't even have the energy to kill myself. I'm too aware of the huge mess I'd be leaving behind for those I care about to clean up. I keep saying I have get everything in order first and that's a LOT of work... even on a good day, I barely make a dent. LOL it's funny AND pitiful
hope things are going well.
As always, I thank you simply for being you :)namaste,
lilith> I'm sorry to hear that lilith. I don't watch the work board so that'll be why I didn't see your posts.
>
> >does ANY of this even make sense to you?? And the contract that they get fat off the state from is for 5 f***ing years!!
>
> I don't understand why you can't have any alcohol. It only makes sense as a way of Big Brother flexing his muscles and throwing his weight around. It makes me angry to hear what they're doing to you.
>
> I don't really know what to say other than I feel for you and wish I could have done more to help you through the whole process. I hope you can find a way of getting back into work or doing something you enjoy. I remember you saying you worked in a few different fields a while ago. could you try to find work there again?
>
> How about taking up (again I know) a new career path or training course?
>
> Q
Posted by Quintal on February 20, 2007, at 22:34:49
In reply to Re: Back from Exile: Welcome back Q! » Quintal, posted by liliths on February 20, 2007, at 7:34:56
Hi Lilith,
>I keep wishing for a terminal illness. It would makes things SO much easier. I don't even have the energy to kill myself. I'm too aware of the huge mess I'd be leaving behind for those I care about to clean up. I keep saying I have get everything in order first and that's a LOT of work... even on a good day, I barely make a dent. LOL it's funny AND pitiful
I know, I've often wished for cancer too. Nothing awful and sad like motor neurone, maybe something heroic like leukemia as in that film with Julia Roberts. I actually think it might, perversely, give me a stronger sense of purpose and the will to live. This may change of course if it ever actually happens (and I'm certain it will - just at the time I've found the perfect antidepressant/anxiolytic and my life is back on track).
How is the tianeptine going? I liked it myself but I took it with reboxetine which unfortunately made me panicky and anxious.I'm in the process of weaning myself off codeine, and it's not too bad so far.
Q
Posted by liliths on February 21, 2007, at 12:09:45
In reply to Re: Back from Exile: Welcome back Q! » liliths, posted by Quintal on February 20, 2007, at 22:34:49
Hi Quintal
that's exactly how I feel... you nailed it :)
I'm so dysfunctional lately, it's hard to tell if anything really gets through so I'm not sure about tianeptine.. it's a subtle drug. I do seem to feel it in the morning with my ADD meds, but the afternoon dose doesn't seem to do a thing. I'm considering going back on wellbutrin in the afternoon, hoping maybe they'd work well together. Otherwise, I may just take it in the morning. Since it's expensive, that'd help make it last longer too.
I've also considered looking into Piracetam just to augment my lazy brain LOL
would kratom help wean off the codeine? I hope it's going well. Are you being forced off or just taking a break?
namaste,
lilith
> Hi Lilith,
> I know, I've often wished for cancer too. Nothing awful and sad like motor neurone, maybe something heroic like leukemia as in that film with Julia Roberts. I actually think it might, perversely, give me a stronger sense of purpose and the will to live. This may change of course if it ever actually happens (and I'm certain it will - just at the time I've found the perfect antidepressant/anxiolytic and my life is back on track).
>
> How is the tianeptine going? I liked it myself but I took it with reboxetine which unfortunately made me panicky and anxious.I'm in the process of weaning myself off codeine, and it's not too bad so far.
>
> Q
Posted by Quintal on February 21, 2007, at 15:19:25
In reply to Re: Back from Exile: Welcome back Q! » Quintal, posted by liliths on February 21, 2007, at 12:09:45
Oh liliths,
I don't know how I get myself into these things - it's funny you should mention piracetam. I ordered some earlier today along with tianeptine and other nootropics like picamilon (I know it isn't supposed work, but what the hell, there's still placebo to fall back on). I have to use PayPal because all my main cards have bounced and I'm stuck with a crappy 'Solo' debit card. Anyway, the guy who runs it sent me two emails back asking me why I'd used the wrong site, and why had I emailed him instead of using the order form on the website........ I was just following instructions (which happened to be 3 years out of date). Now he's sent me two irate emails asking why the Hell haven't I answered the phone? - he's been trying to ring me.
So where is the problem I hear you ask? Under normal circumstances this would be fine of course, but I need the tianeptine et al for social phobia, and to get it I now have to pick up the phone (which is set on silent mode so I can get some peace from all the irate debt collectors that are baying for my blood), and converse not only with a complete stranger, but with an aggrieved and aggressive, larger than life scary American dude of a stranger. All of this while risking answering the phone to one of the debt collectors by mistake. And then they'll know.
I'm having palpitations at the thought of it. Don't know what to do. If I let it go he might put me down as a time waster and never entertain my custom again, so I won't be able to get tianeptine as that is the only site I know of that accepts PayPal where I can use my Solo card. I'm not entirely sure why I'm bothering to try it again to be honest. Curiosity and lack of side effects I suppose. And to be sociable, so I can be on the same drugs as my bestest friends here...............if only Phillipa would ditch her Luvox and join in too we could all share the fun. Are you up for it Phillipa?
I'm going off codeine because I seem to have developed tolerance to it. I've decided to make a clean break. I tried some Kratom the other day but it didn't seem to bother itself enough to have any effect at all, and if it's going to be like that then I want nothing to do with it either.
Q
Posted by liliths on February 21, 2007, at 15:47:59
In reply to Re: Back from Exile: Welcome back Q! » liliths, posted by Quintal on February 21, 2007, at 15:19:25
oh wow Q
what you wrote makes such perfect sense to me... it's so much the way I am these days as well. And how funny about the piracetam!
I wish the tianeptine was helping my anti-social behavior but it hasn't touched it. I'm still sitting in the house, day after day, dreading every damn second... scared the phone will ring, scared at what I've become... scared I'll just keep getting worse
you know - and you really DO know this - that you CAN deal with this guy if you have to.. and it sounds like you have to... do you have a number for him? would be easier to force yourself to call? (this from someone who hasn't been able to pick up the phone in weeks! - gotta laugh at myself for that one)
BUT YOU CAN DO IT! I know you can. Have you listened to your messages? Does he leave contact info?
I can't answer my phone on a good day without screening so I know who I'm picking up for. Can you do that? Turn the volume on and when it's a collector, turn it down so you don't have to listen
You can also email him and simply explain your mistake... that you were looking at an old cached site.
You might want to also tell him you're going through a rough time, which is why you're ordering the tianeptine in the first place. You're depressed! He probably won't get it BUT on the other hand, your communication might be enough to placate him. And at least email IS easier contact than the phone :)
and yes, if a drug isn't working, there's no point taking it. A break will do you good... except for now, when you could use some help. But it will work again after the break.. you know that
it's funny, but you're so right. This board is where my friends live as well as the only place I can go where people understand. That alone is simply staggering
take a deep breath.... take another... 1 more for good measure
s-t-r-e-t-c-h
you're going to be ok :)
You're not alone in this and even though we're not in the room with you, you're right here in oh-so-many hearts
You've been there for so many people. You're resiliant. You're strong. You're compassionate. No silly salesman can take that away
namaste and a ((BIG HUG)) from a distance so it's not too scary :)
lilith> Oh liliths,
>
> I don't know how I get myself into these things - it's funny you should mention piracetam. I ordered some earlier today along with tianeptine and other nootropics like picamilon (I know it isn't supposed work, but what the hell, there's still placebo to fall back on). I have to use PayPal because all my main cards have bounced and I'm stuck with a crappy 'Solo' debit card. Anyway, the guy who runs it sent me two emails back asking me why I'd used the wrong site, and why had I emailed him instead of using the order form on the website........ I was just following instructions (which happened to be 3 years out of date). Now he's sent me two irate emails asking why the Hell haven't I answered the phone? - he's been trying to ring me.
>
> So where is the problem I hear you ask? Under normal circumstances this would be fine of course, but I need the tianeptine et al for social phobia, and to get it I now have to pick up the phone (which is set on silent mode so I can get some peace from all the irate debt collectors that are baying for my blood), and converse not only with a complete stranger, but with an aggrieved and aggressive, larger than life scary American dude of a stranger. All of this while risking answering the phone to one of the debt collectors by mistake. And then they'll know.
>
> I'm having palpitations at the thought of it. Don't know what to do. If I let it go he might put me down as a time waster and never entertain my custom again, so I won't be able to get tianeptine as that is the only site I know of that accepts PayPal where I can use my Solo card. I'm not entirely sure why I'm bothering to try it again to be honest. Curiosity and lack of side effects I suppose. And to be sociable, so I can be on the same drugs as my bestest friends here...............if only Phillipa would ditch her Luvox and join in too we could all share the fun. Are you up for it Phillipa?
>
> I'm going off codeine because I seem to have developed tolerance to it. I've decided to make a clean break. I tried some Kratom the other day but it didn't seem to bother itself enough to have any effect at all, and if it's going to be like that then I want nothing to do with it either.
>
> Q
Posted by liliths on February 21, 2007, at 19:43:42
In reply to Re: Back from Exile: Welcome back Q! » liliths, posted by Quintal on February 21, 2007, at 15:19:25
hi Q
I apologize if my response was a bit over the top
namaste,
lilith> Oh liliths,
>
> I don't know how I get myself into these things - it's funny you should mention piracetam. I ordered some earlier today along with tianeptine and other nootropics like picamilon (I know it isn't supposed work, but what the hell, there's still placebo to fall back on). I have to use PayPal because all my main cards have bounced and I'm stuck with a crappy 'Solo' debit card. Anyway, the guy who runs it sent me two emails back asking me why I'd used the wrong site, and why had I emailed him instead of using the order form on the website........ I was just following instructions (which happened to be 3 years out of date). Now he's sent me two irate emails asking why the Hell haven't I answered the phone? - he's been trying to ring me.
>
> So where is the problem I hear you ask? Under normal circumstances this would be fine of course, but I need the tianeptine et al for social phobia, and to get it I now have to pick up the phone (which is set on silent mode so I can get some peace from all the irate debt collectors that are baying for my blood), and converse not only with a complete stranger, but with an aggrieved and aggressive, larger than life scary American dude of a stranger. All of this while risking answering the phone to one of the debt collectors by mistake. And then they'll know.
>
> I'm having palpitations at the thought of it. Don't know what to do. If I let it go he might put me down as a time waster and never entertain my custom again, so I won't be able to get tianeptine as that is the only site I know of that accepts PayPal where I can use my Solo card. I'm not entirely sure why I'm bothering to try it again to be honest. Curiosity and lack of side effects I suppose. And to be sociable, so I can be on the same drugs as my bestest friends here...............if only Phillipa would ditch her Luvox and join in too we could all share the fun. Are you up for it Phillipa?
>
> I'm going off codeine because I seem to have developed tolerance to it. I've decided to make a clean break. I tried some Kratom the other day but it didn't seem to bother itself enough to have any effect at all, and if it's going to be like that then I want nothing to do with it either.
>
> Q
Posted by Quintal on February 21, 2007, at 21:56:06
In reply to Re: Back from Exile: Welcome back Q! » Quintal, posted by liliths on February 21, 2007, at 19:43:42
No, it wasn't over the top, it was very thoughtful! I just got distracted with arguments going on, on other parts of the board and didn't want to write a two-line post in return or something.
It turned out alright in the end. I emailed him back to say my voice line is suspended (it is as a matter of fact and I'll have to ring them to ask them to re-activate it). He was very understanding and has shipped my order, minus the tianeptine, which will come in two weeks then I have to pay him again.I bought some adrafinil (didn't think much of it first time round but I was on a hefty dose of Klonopin then). I'm just curious to see if my brain responds differently now. Are you going to get some piracetam?
I found vinpocetine very good at getting more mileage out of my meds. Smaller doses seemed to have a greater effect - maybe more was getting to my brain?
Thanks again for the heartfelt post - it's good to know there are others in the same position. Am off to bed now - hardly slept in two days.
Q
Posted by liliths on February 22, 2007, at 14:17:49
In reply to Re: Back from Exile: Welcome back Q! » liliths, posted by Quintal on February 21, 2007, at 21:56:06
hi Q
I'm so glad it worked out well. I knew it would. The guy obviously just freaked when you contacted him in an unexpected way. Maybe he needs to take his product :)
so now you have me looking at vinpocetine. I don't know that I'd need both and wonder which one might be more effective.
any thoughts about this? like you, I'm pretty broke.
hope you got some good delicious sleep.
I sent a letter of appeal today to the board. Now I guess I've have to find an atty - either legal aid or someone who will take the case pro bono. I don't even care about practicing anymore. But that doesn't mean I'm willing to just roll over. I paid for the damn license, but if I lose the appeal, I'll walk away. I wouldn't be able to do much anyway as I've been having terrible pain in my shoulders, arms, hands... have had some tests done and will hopefully find something out on monday. But it's just been getting worse and worse lately
ok... enough whining from me. All I ever seem to have are problems. I'm so sick of myself
when you have the chance, I would be interested in your thoughts about the different nootropics
namaste,
lilith> No, it wasn't over the top, it was very thoughtful! I just got distracted with arguments going on, on other parts of the board and didn't want to write a two-line post in return or something.
>
> It turned out alright in the end. I emailed him back to say my voice line is suspended (it is as a matter of fact and I'll have to ring them to ask them to re-activate it). He was very understanding and has shipped my order, minus the tianeptine, which will come in two weeks then I have to pay him again.I bought some adrafinil (didn't think much of it first time round but I was on a hefty dose of Klonopin then). I'm just curious to see if my brain responds differently now. Are you going to get some piracetam?
>
> I found vinpocetine very good at getting more mileage out of my meds. Smaller doses seemed to have a greater effect - maybe more was getting to my brain?
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> Thanks again for the heartfelt post - it's good to know there are others in the same position. Am off to bed now - hardly slept in two days.
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> Q
Posted by liliths on February 22, 2007, at 14:37:21
In reply to Re: Back from Exile: Welcome back Q! » liliths, posted by Quintal on February 21, 2007, at 21:56:06
hi again... just wanted to tell you that I just ordered some vinpocetine. I found a site that was offering it w/o shipping and the price was really good
then when I went to order some piracetam (on another site - the other didn't carry it), when they wanted $15 minimum for shipping, I just exited.
so I'll try the one anyway.... unless I can find a good deal on the other :)
namaste,
lilith> No, it wasn't over the top, it was very thoughtful! I just got distracted with arguments going on, on other parts of the board and didn't want to write a two-line post in return or something.
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> It turned out alright in the end. I emailed him back to say my voice line is suspended (it is as a matter of fact and I'll have to ring them to ask them to re-activate it). He was very understanding and has shipped my order, minus the tianeptine, which will come in two weeks then I have to pay him again.I bought some adrafinil (didn't think much of it first time round but I was on a hefty dose of Klonopin then). I'm just curious to see if my brain responds differently now. Are you going to get some piracetam?
>
> I found vinpocetine very good at getting more mileage out of my meds. Smaller doses seemed to have a greater effect - maybe more was getting to my brain?
>
> Thanks again for the heartfelt post - it's good to know there are others in the same position. Am off to bed now - hardly slept in two days.
>
> Q
Posted by Quintal on February 22, 2007, at 20:54:38
In reply to Re: Back from Exile: Welcome back Q! » Quintal, posted by liliths on February 22, 2007, at 14:17:49
Hi Lil,
I think vinpocetine acts more as a vasodilator, but you can take both together. Don't know a great deal about either to be honest. Time for Prof. Quintal to do his homework. Thanks for the link BTW.
I think you're right about appealing against their decision given all you put into getting your license. Are you sure the pains aren't due to the fact you're now off opiates? I'm having the same problem.
I was looking at the work thread, and I wondered who is Hannah?
Q
Posted by Phillipa on February 22, 2007, at 21:04:32
In reply to Re: Back from Exile: Welcome back Q! » liliths, posted by Quintal on February 22, 2007, at 20:54:38
Quintal did someone post on work about Hanna? I better look. Love Phillipa
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