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Posted by ace on February 11, 2007, at 21:08:43
In my last message I wrote...
"(I) have found an interesting correlation between my OCD and youth.
This has made me almost positive that psychiatric disorder results from trauma exposed to us (mostly in our formative years) and the disorders, in many ways, OCD being a prime example, act as a mechanism to hide a deeper emotion....extreme anger for example...."
I now will continue...
1. My OCD is very extreme and painful. It DOES have pychotic ideation related to it when it is sever. Antipsychotics seem only to ameliorate my OCD.
2. EVERY time I use a medication which is successful on my OCD, for the first 3-5 doses, I have the same dreams. These relate to me being EXTREMELY angry at my parents. I swear at them in my dreams, feel such anger at them. Even, at times, I actually shout out "F%$k You, Mum" or "F%$k you, Dad" even though I am 95% in sleep.
I remeber such things as my Mum saying "are you stupid" in an angrily fashion, when i was around 4 y/o and could not tie my shoelaces.
2. The other night, just before falling asleep, I had some very brief OCD feelings. They were painful and stifling. That night I had the same dreams. Feeling extreme anger at my Father, and swearing at him.
I have actually explained this phenomena to Mum and Dad. They feel extremely guilty and try to avoid the subject.I don't feel they did anything wrong. They did the best they do, like we all do.
I love them very much, and they are so so so supportive and caring.
Once in a relapse I was crying to Mum, and she was ready to fly up within an hour and collect me and get me to them.
I really am interested to here if anyone out there has had similiar experiences or can empathize....
Ace!PS- never ever losse your sense of humour, even when things feel they couldn't be worse!!!
Posted by Phillipa on February 11, 2007, at 22:12:44
In reply to Emotional Trauma /mental illness/meds, posted by ace on February 11, 2007, at 21:08:43
Ace yes my Mother was sick from when I was two and blamed me. Everything I did as a kid made her sicker she said. I feel so guilty. And then she died when I was l7 so I believe this to be true. First diagnosis panic disorder thought I had her skin disease she'd wished on me and the PTSD. So I think your theory may fit for some. Love Phillipa
Posted by sunnydays on February 11, 2007, at 22:21:06
In reply to Emotional Trauma /mental illness/meds, posted by ace on February 11, 2007, at 21:08:43
Yes. I have PTSD, and a lot of it is caused by things my parents could have done better. I think the depression is much more biological, because both my mom and dad and several grandparents have/had depression. But yes, I think that childhood experiences definitely affect later mental health. They're not the only thing, but they can contribute. Also, it's hard not to make excuses for our parents sometimes. I want to make excuses for mine, but ultimately I have to realize that their best wasn't good enough, and was actually pretty bad. It's hard, but it's helped me give up some unrealistic expectations. Sorry for the rambling.
sunnydays
Posted by Sebastian on February 12, 2007, at 12:03:59
In reply to Emotional Trauma /mental illness/meds, posted by ace on February 11, 2007, at 21:08:43
I belive mental illness does come from tragic events. Any kind.
I had it out with my parents too when I was a teenager. One time I punched a wall, because I was mad at dad. Mom cried when I didn't want to go to school.
Posted by Tom Twilight on February 12, 2007, at 15:13:10
In reply to Re: Emotional Trauma /mental illness/meds, posted by Sebastian on February 12, 2007, at 12:03:59
Traumatic experiences deffinetly can bring on Mental Illness.
For me it was my finals at Uni, I haven't been "Right" since then I sometimes think.I get very frustrated with the way that people assume that mental health problems are due to parental failings.
I live in the UK were there's an obsession with therapy, I told my therapist that I was fed up with my parents always being blamed for my problems!
I know people who have had terrible childhoods, but are no basically absolutely fine, and very succesful.
Posted by saturn on February 12, 2007, at 18:08:01
In reply to Emotional Trauma /mental illness/meds, posted by ace on February 11, 2007, at 21:08:43
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> I really am interested to here if anyone out there has had similiar experiences or can empathize....Yup. I still have occasional violent dreams regarding my father as an adult. He was abusive while I was growing up, and in my dreams I'm usually shouting FU in his face or kicking the s**t out of him. I doubt this will ever go away, and perhaps it shouldn't. Maybe it's my mind's way of dealing.
I don't presume to entirely blame psychological/psychiatric problems on my parents, but in truth I believe they bear a large responsibility.
I can recall as an adolescent trying to arbitrate peace between my parents when they fought horribly in front of my siblings and I. It was certainly not a supportive or safe environment, and I have no doubt that these experiences resulted in mental illness, or psychiatric symptoms. None whatsoever.
Peace.
Posted by saturn on February 12, 2007, at 18:13:34
In reply to Trauma -Mental Illness, posted by Tom Twilight on February 12, 2007, at 15:13:10
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> I know people who have had terrible childhoods, but are no basically absolutely fine, and very succesful.While I don't discount this, appearances can be quite deceiving. By all appearances I'm quite successful and well-adjusted. I just keep my s**t to myself, or share it judiciously and anonymously on PB. Peace...Saturn.
Posted by ace on February 12, 2007, at 20:43:27
In reply to Re: Emotional Trauma /mental illness/meds ?ace, posted by saturn on February 12, 2007, at 18:08:01
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> > I really am interested to here if anyone out there has had similiar experiences or can empathize....
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> Yup. I still have occasional violent dreams regarding my father as an adult. He was abusive while I was growing up, and in my dreams I'm usually shouting FU in his face or kicking the s**t out of him.# This is very interesting. Was he emotionally or physically abusive? I believe I recieved the 'strap' when i was much younger, once when I stole $10, and on some other occassions. Mum very very occassionally gave me the wooden spoon.
I was a very naughty hyperactive child.
I don't believe any violence is good with children, but how the hell did they know???
I know for a fact my Dad was imitating exactly how his father (a staunch policeman and authoritarian of the house) acted. But Dad has a different personality to his (deceased) father, and is very inconsistent in his discipline.
I know a part of me still holds much anger at them, but I love them so much. We all do things that aren't the best things to do. Like me continually lying to my Mum to get Money. All we can do is be AWARE and try to curtail our behaviours.
Like yourself, I am not sure this trauma will go away, and I am POSITIVE it caused my mental illnesse(s).
I state that i DON'T blame them: it is not their fault, my fault, no ones: it is the way things had to be.
One other question: how do you feel towards your Dad now? Have you discussed this with him?I can tell Mum feels extremely guilty deep down when topic is raised, and I actually feel very hurt that she feels this guilt.
Things can always be worse but: Dad wasn't like an alcoholic who bashed me evrynight and took drugs. My parents are very old-fashioned.
I always remember after my Dad strapped me, it was all over. 5 minutes later he would say "how are you mate" I think he just though a punishment was needed and after that all was done.
I doubt this will ever go away, and perhaps it shouldn't. Maybe it's my mind's way of dealing.
I think it is....the rage is outleted in sleep, via subconscious.
> I don't presume to entirely blame psychological/psychiatric problems on my parents, but in truth I believe they bear a large responsibility.I know what you mean. But that's assuming we have 100% free will. I don't think we do. I can't actually see how any of us can....! In a physical world ruled by the laws of physics and chemistry and maths, we are just another energy system/physical quantitity...
> I can recall as an adolescent trying to arbitrate peace between my parents when they fought horribly in front of my siblings and I.Yep. I remember exactly the same. Also when they fought me and my big brother used to cry.
It was certainly not a supportive or safe environment, and I have no doubt that these experiences resulted in mental illness, or psychiatric symptoms. None whatsoever.
How often did it occur.? If you feel anger, hate do you think any way you can let go off it?
> Peace.Things can always be worse!
Ace!
Posted by ace on February 12, 2007, at 20:49:57
In reply to Trauma -Mental Illness, posted by Tom Twilight on February 12, 2007, at 15:13:10
> I know people who have had terrible childhoods, but are no basically absolutely fine, and very succesful.I agree 100% My brother was exposed to exactly the same as me and he is mentally healthy.
I wouldn't say I had a 'terrible childhood'
Mum and Dad always provided for me, always gave me great b'days and Xmas's. They always protected me. Made sure I had sports and other things i enjoy.
I was a little rascal: I know that!
But at the same time they were very obstinate in some way: I adored drums (still do!) I had to plead with them for years and years to get a kit.
Certain things they would only do if THEY saw it right.I guess all parents are 'guilty' of some things.
Give me a buzz if you ever find the perfect parent out there!!!!
Ace
Posted by stargazer on February 14, 2007, at 0:52:28
In reply to Re: Trauma -Mental Illness » Tom Twilight, posted by ace on February 12, 2007, at 20:49:57
My sister died of kidney disease when she was 16 and I was made to feel that I contributed to her death since I was "mean" to her. My mother was the one who really made me feel guilty for that. Years later she still says things like "but you were mean". So I say "but you were the parent, it was your responsibility to not blame others for things they could not control...". That really freaks her out.
As far as other siblings not having the same impact from these events, it is age determinant, I was at a more vulnerable age emotionally when this all happened...my siblings don't remember half the things I did when all this was going on. They were 3 years younger than I.
I can remember feeling so overwhelmed with fristration and anger from all the f*cked up family dynamics during that time..my father retreated into his work and my mother made our lives a living hell afterwards, blamed the rest of us for everything. Obviously she was in a depression of some sort, fueled with anger and still has that in her, a streak of rage that emerges when it is least expected.
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