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Posted by liliths on November 22, 2006, at 10:20:30
anybody have any experience with this drug?
thanks
namaste,
lilith
Posted by Phillipa on November 22, 2006, at 12:27:19
In reply to tianeptine?, posted by liliths on November 22, 2006, at 10:20:30
Can I follow I know so far it's not in the US but good for both anxiety and depression thanks in advance Phillipa
Posted by Declan on November 22, 2006, at 13:02:50
In reply to tianeptine?, posted by liliths on November 22, 2006, at 10:20:30
Yep, it's good for me. My AD experience was limited to Parnate, deprenyl, moclobemide and mirtazepine (not long on that).
What do you want to know?
Posted by liliths on November 22, 2006, at 14:00:03
In reply to Re: tianeptine? » liliths, posted by Declan on November 22, 2006, at 13:02:50
hi there,
oh, probably everything you know LOL
are you in a country that prescribes it or are you ordering it online?
how are the side effects for you? does it help with depression and anxiety? are you taking it along with anything else? what dose did you start on and where have you ended up?
see?? I told you I had a lot of questions.
I don't know anything about it but I bookmarked something a while back and rediscovered it this morning.it looks really promising to me... but on paper, many meds do.... why I love this board so much :)
I'm currently on focalin XR, klonopin, wellbutrin, buspar & hydrocodone... be nice if I could trade a few of those for something that worked.
I'm in a very dark place right now but I suspect it's mostly 'external'. I'd probably be doing MUCH better if my circumstances weren't beating me up. But my response to the stress has been really bad - quite a spiral, as you probably understand. Coming out of this is going to be a challenge and I am concerned
thanks for responding. I'm glad it's working for you. How long have you been using it?
namaste,
lilith> Yep, it's good for me. My AD experience was limited to Parnate, deprenyl, moclobemide and mirtazepine (not long on that).
> What do you want to know?
Posted by Declan on November 22, 2006, at 17:06:13
In reply to Re: tianeptine?, posted by liliths on November 22, 2006, at 14:00:03
I order it online as it is not available in Australia. My doctors know about it, and are OK with it. There are no side effects that I am aware of. I take it with Valium 7.5mg/d. I started on 3 tabs a day and have gone up to 4. It is (for me) very good for comfortless and bitter pessimism, to which I am prone. It is more or less energy neutral and has no negative effect sexually. It is short acting.
Do you think the Wellbutrin and Buspar are doing you much good? And Klonopin may be depressing too?
I wonder if tianeptine is good for people in 'dark places'. My hunch is that it might be, if it agrees with you.
Namaste
Declan
Posted by blueberry on November 22, 2006, at 17:16:06
In reply to tianeptine?, posted by liliths on November 22, 2006, at 10:20:30
I have some tianeptine on order from overseas. I don't plan on taking it right away, but if the things I am trying now don't work out then tianeptine is next and I want it onhand.
It looks interesting on paper. Even though it is called a serotonin reuptake enhancer, it actually does a lot more than that. For one example, somehow it boosts dopamine function.
Posted by Phillipa on November 22, 2006, at 19:39:37
In reply to Re: tianeptine?, posted by blueberry on November 22, 2006, at 17:16:06
Really blueberry what med do you think it is like that we have? Love Phillipa
Posted by elanor roosevelt on November 22, 2006, at 21:36:55
In reply to Re: tianeptine?, posted by liliths on November 22, 2006, at 14:00:03
if you are in a dark place with all those meds
IT IS NOT YOUR CIRCUMSTANCES IT IS THE MEDS
when i bottom out on wellbutrin it puts me in a bad place
also buspar really helped me for a while and then, when my anxiety level lessened the buspar just made me too slow and stupid to re-evaulatetell your doc you want to regroup on the meds now
Posted by blueberry on November 23, 2006, at 7:23:53
In reply to Re: tianeptine? » blueberry, posted by Phillipa on November 22, 2006, at 19:39:37
> Really blueberry what med do you think it is like that we have? Love Phillipa
Hi Phillipa, I do not think tianeptine is like anything we have.
Posted by liliths on November 23, 2006, at 8:43:25
In reply to Re: tianeptine? » liliths, posted by Declan on November 22, 2006, at 17:06:13
namaste declan
what a pleasure to read that wonderful phrase addressed to me :)
a later post has suggested that my wellbutrin & buspar may have pooped. I'm thinking they might be right but I don't know what to put in their place. Perhaps the tianeptine, though I'm not sure how my pdoc will feel about it. The last time I saw him, he said it was the lack of exercise & structure, NOT my meds, but knowing those things help and not being able to do them IS a sign they're not working anymore.
frustrating.. particularly as my circumstances ARE really stressful right now and the way they've affected me has been awful. Felled me right at the knees. If I'd been feeling better, I'd like to think I wouldn't have just gone down like this. Things feel REALLY hopeless.
to make it worse, a large part of my problem has to do with the state possibly interfering with the meds that DO work! I'm in a state of limbo waiting for a 'verdict'... sigh
as you take your tianeptine with valium, it does sound like it might work well with the rest of my meds
what time of day do you take it? and do you take it in divided doses?
I'm definitely going to look into it... hope it's not too expensive - my health insurance certainly won't cover it LOL
thanks again for your response.
Have a wonderful Thanksgiving :)namaste,
lilith> I order it online as it is not available in Australia. My doctors know about it, and are OK with it. There are no side effects that I am aware of. I take it with Valium 7.5mg/d. I started on 3 tabs a day and have gone up to 4. It is (for me) very good for comfortless and bitter pessimism, to which I am prone. It is more or less energy neutral and has no negative effect sexually. It is short acting.
>
> Do you think the Wellbutrin and Buspar are doing you much good? And Klonopin may be depressing too?
>
> I wonder if tianeptine is good for people in 'dark places'. My hunch is that it might be, if it agrees with you.
>
> Namaste
>
> Declan
>
Posted by liliths on November 23, 2006, at 9:00:43
In reply to Re: tianeptine?, posted by elanor roosevelt on November 22, 2006, at 21:36:55
Thank you so much for the reassurance. If you've read my response to Declan, I referenced your post.
I think you're probably correct. The problem is what to try instead. I'm looking at tianeptine but I'm not sure how my pdoc will react to my having to order meds from overseas and of course, I haven't a clue what he knows or how he feels about the drug either.
as I said, he hasn't been willing to blame the drugs, but the simple fact that I have responded so bleakly to what's been going on and have become more and more unwilling (unable? it is SO damn easy to blame myself!) to do anything that might make me feel better, does speak for itself
do you have any suggestions for something instead of the wellbutrin & buspar? Maybe even just the wellbutrin as the buspar doesn't affect my anxiety at all. I take it to augment my AD. Seems to have some anti-depressant qualities for me without making me feel sluggish - don't really feel it at all except that I've titrated off of it 3 times in the past and that always exacerbated my depression. But that doesn't mean it's working anymore either OR that it would work with any other drug as it seemed to with wellbutrin
as I've said, things feel very hopeless. I'm barely leaving the house - not functioning at all and getting WAY too used to living in the downward spiral.
what did you put in place of wellbutrin & buspar? have you found anything that works?
thank you again. I needed to hear your words.
Now I've got to go up against ANOTHER machine to try and make changes. As I said in my other post, as it is, the state is already trying to interfere with the meds I take that DO work... sheesh...
I am really tired of this
have a wonderful Thanksgiving!
namaste,
lilith> if you are in a dark place with all those meds
> IT IS NOT YOUR CIRCUMSTANCES IT IS THE MEDS
> when i bottom out on wellbutrin it puts me in a bad place
> also buspar really helped me for a while and then, when my anxiety level lessened the buspar just made me too slow and stupid to re-evaulate
>
> tell your doc you want to regroup on the meds now
Posted by elanor roosevelt on November 25, 2006, at 20:27:04
In reply to Re: tianeptine? » elanor roosevelt, posted by liliths on November 23, 2006, at 9:00:43
i am a big fan of lexapro for returning to a state in which you have a positive sense of future.
If buspar doesn't work you should get a more specific med like xanax or valium.
good luck
get rid of the meds that are not working
Posted by liliths on November 26, 2006, at 6:29:07
In reply to Re: tianeptine?, posted by elanor roosevelt on November 25, 2006, at 20:27:04
good morning...
thanks for the reply. I've never done well on SRRI's - they numb me out, create immediate anorgasmia and weight gain. I use the buspar as an augment for the wellbutrin. It never did anything for anxiety but seemed to have some anti-depressant effects. I take 22.5mg twice a day and it appears to affect seratonin ('I think' LOL)
I had cut some of my meds down so I'm trying to increase the doages again and see if that helps. Wellbutrin gives me some 'word finding difficulty' VERY frustrating but I'm going back up to my initial thereaputic dose and I put back a mid-day dose of 1mg of klonopin.
I would like to find something to replace the wellbutrin/buspar combo if thy HAVE in fact, pooped but I don't know what to put in their place.
Lyrica looked good until I read about the weight gain... that's one side effect bound to cancel out any good!!
tianeptine looks quite promising but having to obtain it overseas becomes a problem - both of expense and whether my pdoc will approve my using it.
As I've said, he doesn't want to think its the meds... says I need more exercise and structure... all true... but when this depressed, doing what works becomes near impossible.
I feel as if I'm fighting upstream - too much work for very little return so I am inclined to agree with you that it's time for a change... this is exhausting and depression is such an insidious hole - becomes the 'comfortable' misery (the one I know vs taking a chance on life)
"a positive sense of the future" WOW! I can't imagine what that might feel like anymore. The future looks inevitable.. and not in a 'good' way
thanks for lettine me rant. There IS a lot going on in my life exacerbating my stress but still, it IS my inability to deal with it that's killing me
any help would be appreciated
namaste,
lilithdo you know of anything else which might work in place of the wellbutrin/buspar or is there something else I could use to jumpstart the wellbutrin again?
> i am a big fan of lexapro for returning to a state in which you have a positive sense of future.
> If buspar doesn't work you should get a more specific med like xanax or valium.
> good luck
> get rid of the meds that are not working
Posted by elanor roosevelt on November 26, 2006, at 13:04:53
In reply to Re: tianeptine? » elanor roosevelt, posted by liliths on November 26, 2006, at 6:29:07
well, good luck.
just be careful about sticking with a med that doesn't work. don't let it make you feel like you are failing. remember -- sometimes it's the meds
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