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Posted by jealibeanz on November 5, 2006, at 20:35:56
Adderall made me spiral into the deepest depression ever, after only five days. I can't remember how much I took. But I think it was twice a day.
I've tried Straterra. It was OK. I think I was more focused in my general life, but not with acadmics, which is my main concern right now. I take Provigil right now. While some say it's great for ADHD. It's not for me. I just need it to stay awake.
Is it worth giving Concerta a try? I'm very intelligent, do OK in school, but bomb several exams. I don't study much at all because I always end up wandering around doing other things. When I do try to study I get bored or sleepy. I'm in grad school. It's very important for me to learn the information being presented.
BTW, I'm a 23 yr old female, primarily inattentive.
Posted by Racer on November 5, 2006, at 21:11:27
In reply to Adderall caused depression, should I try Concerta?, posted by jealibeanz on November 5, 2006, at 20:35:56
Adderall increased my depression, but Ritalin was mood-brightening for me. Concerta was about the same as Ritalin, except maybe a smoother ride? I can't remember, and Ritalin was fine for me anyway. Not a lot of up and down on it. A little bit of a problem with really wanting a nap about an hour after taking it, but otherwise just fine.
Hope that helps.
Posted by jealibeanz on November 5, 2006, at 21:58:45
In reply to Re: Adderall caused depression, should I try Conce, posted by Racer on November 5, 2006, at 21:11:27
Thanks for the response. It is almost like my Klonopin vs Xanax problem. Klonopin is sedating and depressing. Xanax is mild in terms of sedation and improves my mood. My doc actually suggested Concerta when I was complaining of fatigue, but I suggested Provigil, so we went with that. Haha, I need to be in less denial about my ADHD and start medication again.
Although Straterra didn't help with grades, I felt like I had 5 hours added to my day because I was just so much more efficient. My doctor wasn't concerned when I just decided to stop my Straterra, because he figures I'm smart and don't really need it. That's how I feel too, but I know I'm wrong. And am told so by friends.
It's kind of peaceful in a way. I find it slightly amusing that I get lost everywhere I drive, misplace everything I own on a daily basis, and have weird little quirks. However, it's not so much fun when I never have time to do anything productive. And the fact that when I do have time, studying just doesn't happen because I lack focus and am frustrated that I just can't seem to make full use of my abilities.
The majority of my time is spent wandering and being lost in my confused little world. The rest of my time is spent frantically trying to catch up!
Posted by Phillipa on November 5, 2006, at 22:33:18
In reply to Re: Adderall caused depression, should I try Conce, posted by jealibeanz on November 5, 2006, at 21:58:45
Do you use stickies to write things down, directions, and a list of to do things? If you're like me you forget the stickie when you go out. Love Phillipa
Posted by Iansf on November 6, 2006, at 0:18:57
In reply to Re: Adderall caused depression, should I try Conce, posted by Racer on November 5, 2006, at 21:11:27
> Adderall increased my depression, but Ritalin was mood-brightening for me.
Same for me. I steadily drifted down into depression on Adderall, but find Ritalin gives me a bit of a lift. Not enough to eliminate depression but enough to make it worth taking it.
Posted by jealibeanz on November 6, 2006, at 0:19:02
In reply to Re: Adderall caused depression, should I try Conce » jealibeanz, posted by Phillipa on November 5, 2006, at 22:33:18
yes to both
Posted by lymom3 on November 6, 2006, at 7:14:16
In reply to Adderall caused depression, should I try Concerta?, posted by jealibeanz on November 5, 2006, at 20:35:56
What about Focalin? That worked miracles for my 18 year old where no other stimulant worked.
Posted by jealibeanz on November 6, 2006, at 7:36:02
In reply to Re: Adderall caused depression, should I try Concerta?, posted by lymom3 on November 6, 2006, at 7:14:16
It's funny, most doctors don't seem to use Focalin much. It's either Adderall, Ritalin, or Concerta.
Is Focalin the drug with controversy about heart issues, or is that Cylert?
Posted by lymom3 on November 6, 2006, at 7:42:27
In reply to Re: Adderall caused depression, should I try Concerta?, posted by jealibeanz on November 6, 2006, at 7:36:02
That was Cylert and that is why it's off the market. Focalin is a form of refined methylphenidate much like Adderall is refined Dexedrine. I just know that when nothing else seemed to work for him that did. He's been on the XR version for almost 2 years; I wish I would have had that when he was still in school as this is the first time in his life that he's ever been medicated right.
You might look at Ritalin LA rather than Concerta. I've not seen a child psychiatrist in all the years that I've been dealing my my son's ADHD that thought much of Concerta. Take that for what it's worth.
Posted by jealibeanz on November 10, 2006, at 0:20:39
In reply to Re: Adderall caused depression, should I try Concerta?, posted by lymom3 on November 6, 2006, at 7:42:27
Yeah, it's definitely something to think about, especially if Focalin is "cleaner". Most likely it would have fewer adverse effects that Ritalin or Concerta, not that I've taken either. But I'd like something effective, yet mild. I tend to be very sensitive to side effects, both physically and mentally.
I'm really desperate right now. My semester ends December 15. My academics are slowly going downhill. I'm not even worried about the grades. It bothers me that I'm not learning information I need to know. I tend to be a better test taker in comparison to others, so my lack of understanding/studying isn't as apparent as it could be. If I have one exam below 75, I'm over my school's retake limit (we have two per semester). Plus, I need an 80 average in each class to pass. I'm right on the border of all disciplines.
I might just do something dumb... self medicate. I have a few Straterra pills left in my apartment. I think I have one refill. This would be enough to get me through finals. I'd be starting at 60 mg, which is higher than my starting dose of 40, but it's what I've got. It'll make me sick at first, but oh well.
I never thought Strat did much in terms of acute/fine focus, but did help with life organization, currenty my lack of daily skills/organization allows my no needlessly waste what little free time I had in the day wandering and achieving nothing. So there's no time to study even if I could focus well on notes.
Maybe combining it with a stim would help. I also probably needed to go up to more than 60 mg, since the effects were definitely not apparent in the later months. I'm already on Provigil though, and have anxiety issues. It's hard to adequately balance everything.
Haha, I realize this isn't the best of ideas, but desperate times call for desperate measures. I'm away at school and can't actually get in to see my doc until after finals are done.
Now, I could get around this by asking for special permission from my school to leave to see my doctor. We're nevvvver allowed to miss class. Doctor's appointments? No way, suck it up and be tough people! But they might bend. I could actually tell them the situation, about the ADHD, and that it's pretty apparent that if I don't start on meds ASAP, I won't pass. (or not and just hope they respect me as a person enough to not force me to disclose personal medical information just to take a few hours off from school)
It's not as if they don't realize I have some academic difficulties, despite being very capable and intelligent. And they certainly wouldn't be shocked about the condition. I'm pretty classic inattentive with my forgetfullness, disorganization (I basically carry everything I own to class and just throw things randomly on my table and floor. They spew in all directions, while I try to decide what I need at the moment.), inadventently missing appointments, failing to turn in records which they alawys ask me for, constant confusion, and little oddities of living in my own ADHD world. The only way I can pay attention (or not, due to boredome, is to fidget), I swing in my chair, twirl pens, play with silly putty, color/draw, which is now extremely obvious since a classmate brought in crayons! It sounds terribly immature, but my symptoms have been exacerbated due to the increased repsonsibility, stress, and lack of life structure. I do these quite activities to help focus, and not swing toooo wildly in my chair!
My next appointment is in the beginning of January. I could wait til then or schedule one as soon as I get home to confess! That way I don't prolong the issue and have time to work on a better med plan to adjust to before next semester.
I'd obviously tell my doc what I did, and why I did it. I actually stopped the Straterra months ago in effort to remedy insomnia. When I started back up on the same dose, I felt sick/depression, so I again took myself off. He wasn't terribly concerned since it was during a 3 week break from school. Also, I think he considers my ADHD to not be terribly bad, since I'm intelligent, and always appear very clear thinking and well put together in the office. I guess I'm just ashamed to let him know what it's really like. He's now gonna get a glimpse at those struggle just by the fact that I started taking medication that made me slightly sick and depressed!
Oh course he won't think it's wonderful that I mess with my meds, but he'd never make me feel bad about it like most docs would. He'd be understanding and sympathetic about the fact that I was really struggling and didn't know what else to do. Of course he knows what med schools like! Especially if you have preexisting conditions.
I could call him, but this isn't even a condition I'm currently treated for, so I just don't feel comfortable making him treat me over the phone. Although he would and would go out of his way to do so. (an absolutely wonderful man, although not the most organized/perceptive guy... hehe, I know he's got ADHD... combined and severe!) If I told him I had a problem, he'd do everything in his power to help. He's become very protective of me lately, like he's fostering me as a mentor as well as being my own physician.
He wants nothing but the best for me, and would feel horrible if I came back and told him I was asked to leave due to academic difficulties, since he himself has treated me for ADHD. And I just saw him last week. I know I need to be proactive in telling him there's a problem. But realistically, instead of us just chatting about the fun parts of school and my future, he probably should have asked how I'm doing academically because it's not something I want to come forth with. That's part of their job, anticipating things that may be occuring in the patients life, but aren't too difficult to talk about without prompting.
Posted by jealibeanz on November 11, 2006, at 18:09:16
In reply to My new ADHD plan... risky..., posted by jealibeanz on November 10, 2006, at 0:20:39
Changed my mind. After two days of Strattera, I've realized I can't handle that "getting used to" period. It makes me incredibly sick, nauseous, and verrrry sleepy, to the point where I sleep all day. These side effects are reduced after a month, but I don't have a month to play with.
Apparently my insurance rejected the Strattera refill (the pharmacist didn't know why), so the pharmacy called my doctor to have it approved. He hasn't been in to the office yet to receive the message. I'm assuming the will result in him or a nurse calling me (either to tell me it was approved or ask why on earth I've decided to put myself back on the medication!).
It makes me sad that this isn't going to work. I'm embarrassed to have to explain over the phone to my doctor that I'm not doing well, that I made a stupid decision about not telling him I wanted to try Strattera again, and also that I've decided I can't handle the side effects right now. I have no intention of making him try to think of alternate options and treat me over the phone. It's not his job. I could have told him last week when I saw him, but he's always so happy and enthusiastic about my schooling and future, it's hard for me to break in and say I'm barely passing.
Posted by Phillipa on November 11, 2006, at 19:21:09
In reply to Re: My new ADHD plan... risky..., posted by jealibeanz on November 11, 2006, at 18:09:16
Maybe your doc can help over the telephone. Wait and see. Love Phillipa
Posted by jealibeanz on November 11, 2006, at 19:48:59
In reply to Re: My new ADHD plan... risky... » jealibeanz, posted by Phillipa on November 11, 2006, at 19:21:09
He'd absolutely love to. We're each others biggest fans! I'm his favorite patient/student. He's my favorite doctor/mentor.
I just don't want to ask that of him. I don't think it's fair of me. He might actually be a little worried if I just blow it off like it's nothing and that I don't really need the help, because he'll know that I do.
I'm obviously in major immediate trouble at school if I suddenly decided to take the medication without asking him. I didn't mention it last week, I didn't want to, but I also didn't realize how poor my chances of not failing out were. I've now come out of denial to realize I most likely will. If I have one exam in any subject below 80, I'm out. I've already made use of my 2 free remediations. It's almost not even worth trying anymore. Even on my best of days of studying and testing, an 80 isn't exactly a sure thing if it's a difficult exam.
Posted by jealibeanz on November 15, 2006, at 17:00:17
In reply to Re: My new ADHD plan... risky... » jealibeanz, posted by Phillipa on November 11, 2006, at 19:21:09
I talked to one of my profs today. I was soooo scared because I thought they had basically written me off as academically inadequate (even though very well aware of my intelligence) and irresponsible for not getting help earlier, and ignoring several problems. I figured I'd be lectured, scolded, and forced to do some heavy apologizing, some sort of counseling due to my lack of assertiveness with the issue, subjected to academic review committee hearings, and just have to kiss some butt nonstop.
Fortunately, this was not the case! I actually did not speak to the faculty member I'd originally intended to seek out (a higher up, a mother, which I think is a plus, and someone I'd talked to about personal issues before with great support). Lately she seemed unusually stressed, unforgiving, and judgmental, yet I felt it was my responsibility to see her, since she's at the top of the food chain of my program. I could tell I would not get the supportive, motherly, non-judgmental care I'd received previously, but didn't have a choice.
However, luckily the person available when I felt I needed to address the academic issues ASAP, without being labeled as avoidant/in denial, was another faculty member. This actually made more sense since she has a lot of personal contact with us… a lot! She know our demeanors, behaviors, personalities, true strengths/weaknesses. (The other faculty member teaches one lecture and knows our grades. A little personal contact, but not much.) Initially she was not my first choice because I honestly think that mothers tend to be much, much more understanding. She's odd, eccentric, and very hard to read. Never cold and certainly not overly serious, but I didn't know what to expect.
She was a psych major. Good choice! She actually thought I was coming to talk about one particular exam, not my entire academic difficulties, and certainly not personal issues. When I mentioned global academic concerns, she replied that I seem to grasp “the big picture” well, but have problems with details. So, this opened the door for my “confession”.
She was very empathetic and completely understood when I finally came out and said ADHD, which was soo hard to do and I told her so. Any condition/label that isn't well-controlled and causing distress is obviously hard to talk about. My actual words we're, I don't know if you ever noticed, but (classmate's name) picked up on it right away... ADHD. She didn't answer that (maybe out of courtesy, maybe it hadn't clicked... but now certainly will!)
Posted by jealibeanz on November 15, 2006, at 17:02:05
In reply to Talked to my prof..., posted by jealibeanz on November 15, 2006, at 17:00:17
I said that I wasn’t currently being treated for it, but had in the past. She asked what and why not now. I prefaced my explanation with the fact that it’s hard and scary to keep trying new things when other treatments didn’t go well (definitely shows that I have empathy for patients!). She just nodded with agreement.
I told her about my biofeedback therapy (and that I felt freakish about explaining it, but said, whatever, you may think this is weird, I do, but if nothing else it’s a good case study for you). So I explained I’d been referred to a specialist who measured my brain activity/blood flow, and that there was little/none to the prefrontal cortex, and said, makes sense right? (sorta as a mutual understanding that it’s thought to be a cause of ADHD). And that with therapy, I was able to grow new capillaries in that region, which helped to improve my baseline on attention/functioning. (I actually think that my very casual and non-descriptive explanation shows that I understand a great deal about the physiology, a big plus for me, since it was basically self-education at a younger age).
I told her Adderall was a disaster… lasted five days, cried the entire time, she was pretty surprised. Straterra, was OK, not great, esp for studying. I did notice a difference, like I’d added about 5 hours to my day b/c I didn’t lost things and daily acitivitie and such, but that effect went away. I possibly needed an increase, but maybe just a different med. She asked about Wellbutrin… yup, no help and hated side effects.
I asked for suggestions. She said non-stims were generally used first for adult ADHD, which of course I knew, from her class and my research. Obviously I’d gone that route. I told her I understood that, but apparently needed something stronger, just had fear because of my Adderall nightmare, and that my doc had mentioned Concerta once. She wasn’t completely sure, told me to ask my doc, and that in the mean time she’d do a little research (understandable, she isn’t sure, and is being careful since I’m not her patient).
Posted by jealibeanz on November 15, 2006, at 17:03:55
In reply to and talked..., posted by jealibeanz on November 15, 2006, at 17:02:05
I basically explained that I did well through high school w/95 avg, due to structure, easy cookie-cutter course work, and good testing ability and sheer intelligence. I never ever read anything, just was able to do it w/o a normal amount of work (although the frustration and guilt associated with knowing that you feel like you're "cheating" b/c you rarely read/study, and when you do, it's minimally effective, results in a great deal of work/chaos... just not the same type as other students.)
I fell apart in college b/c this method no longer work. I had to retake several courses, and majorly struggled. This may have surprised her b/c they would not have admitted a person with obvious academic difficulties, but it's not terribly obvious b/c I retook the failed/dropped courses and ended up with an acceptable GPA. Apparently they didn't scour my transcript for such oddities (taking chem 3x, calc 3x, physics x2, etc).
I still never studied and had difficulties reading. The only success I had when retaking courses was when I chose to ignore the prof, and completely teach myself. However, I usually only took one difficult course at a time, so was able to devote all time to it, and not the other classes. So, I do have the ability to learn, especially with self education, which is what I need to catch up right now, but it’s only possible when I have the control of focus.
I also partially hoped/blamed my problems on the fact that I was an athlete and was tired, and would be fixed this year when I stopped. but now know this is not the case. I told her I wouldn’t have entered the program if I thought I couldn’t do well, but never expected such problems. I’d never been in that environment. I knew I was intelligent, so why not?
Posted by jealibeanz on November 15, 2006, at 17:54:19
In reply to aannd talked..., posted by jealibeanz on November 15, 2006, at 17:03:55
She suggested I just try to push through the next month, and try new meds during break. I told her I could tell I was at the point where I wasn’t going to be capable of doing that. So, I explained that I knew I was definitely underachieving, and at this point in great danger, since once the concentration diminishes, it tends to snowball. Surprisingly, she seemed to understand that.
She asked if there was a doc I could see or if I needed a recommendation from her/school. I told her that I love and trust my family doc, even though I know he’s not great. I’d been to others, even a pdoc, when felt too emotionally close with the entire staff, but these all resulted in great failures. I returned to my old doc and am so happy I did. He’s incredibly kind, interesting in me personally and my well-being, knows my family, trusts me, my judgment, input, description of symptoms, and does whatever he can to help. We now have a wonderful relationship.
I thought she’d tell me that getting a specialist is best, but she didn’t. She said that the trust, openness, and good relationship were most important. Great, a healthcare professional who understands supportive emotional patient care heavily outweighs a cold, incredibly knowledgeable doc.
I’ve so happy and relieved I did this. I kept reiterating that it’s so hard to admit and easy to deny because I know my intelligence, and that’s why it went undetected so long. She truly understood and agreed. I told her I would have gotten help earlier, but didn’t realize there was a problem until it was out of control. She offered enormous support and told me to keep in touch with her and ask for any help I need.
If nothing else, I think she may have gained I newfound respect for me because of my extreme awareness of the difficulties and nuances of being a patient, which cannot be taught in school. I normally just act like a goofy dumb kid like the rest of my friends, but this shows a great depth of understanding, wisdom, and maturity. She now knows there’s something more profound under the quirky, weird (but all of this pointed out in a nice way… I’m unusual. I know it, but not bad unusual. Thinking in a different realm unusual), 16 yr old looking student.
Haha, I’m 23. But the deep understanding and human emotions, well beyond me years, is now obvious. I still do need to grow up, but underneath the kid, there’s already huuuge potential to be a wonderful practitioner, something that many, no matter what age or experience level, cannot achieve. I now have someone to fight for me, even when other don’t recognize, I’m worth keeping. I’m also very humble, gracious, and respectful She’s probably never heard someone say thank you, repeatedly, for the most minor things.
So, I’m not giving up yet. I may not pass my courses. The meds may not help, but I’m fighting for now. It’s all I can do.
Posted by Phillipa on November 15, 2006, at 19:40:53
In reply to Re: aannd talked..., posted by jealibeanz on November 15, 2006, at 17:54:19
That's great. Congratulations . That took a lot of courage for you. Love Phillipa
Posted by lymom3 on November 15, 2006, at 19:43:01
In reply to Re: aannd talked..., posted by jealibeanz on November 15, 2006, at 17:54:19
I'm so glad for you. I know it has to feel good just to get it off your chest. Good luck kid....
Posted by jealibeanz on November 17, 2006, at 7:19:02
In reply to Re: aannd talked... » jealibeanz, posted by Phillipa on November 15, 2006, at 19:40:53
Thanks, I was absolutely terrified! But she was incredibly understanding and empathetic. It also helped that we were also just chatting a bit and another faculty member kept coming in, so we chatted with her too. Haha, I don't think she realized there was a serious dicussion going on, but we had the door open, which I didn't mind because classes were done so none of them would have walked in. We're all a bit odd and just joke about dumb stuff, so it took the edge off the serious parts of the conversation. I suspect she may have ADHD, and is a reason why she's was understanding. If not, she's either very good at pretending, or has read enough or seen enough ADHD patients to understand some of the things I was saying, which the average person just wouldn't understand.
It's such a strange condition, which this country still has a very inaccurate perception of. I think my condition takes it to the extreme! I would actually say I have very severe ADHD (inattentive).
However, I was able to sooorta develop my own coping skill due to my intelligence, completely normal family, friends, and childhood. I was always a little different, but who isn't? The academic problems popped up in undergrad, due to the lack of structure, new and ever changing environment, and added responsibility. Actually at the time, my friends and a well trusted mentor just made me feel horrrrrible and "neurotic" for doing poorly. They don't know I have it.
The original diagnosis was never told to me because the psychologist who did biofeedback and brain activity functioning tests was very alternative and not into labeling me, or at least not telling me. But I figured it out on my own based on his test results and my own reading.
With no effort of explaination was able to get meds from my PA and doc. (There's noooo doubt about the dx, though, I was just surprised it was that easy, but I guess they thought it was dx'd from a previous provider. Plus, I was given Klonopin for anxiety and Adderall to counter to sedation. My PA say the Adderall when I asked for an ADHD med, didn't realize the actual dx. Then on follow up with my doc, he thought he had been aware of it in the past too!) I know they're extremely busy and don't look at the chart too much. It's almost more like urgent care, unless you go in very regularly and they just happen to remember your history.
Hahaha... whatever... they're nice guys... the PA is very thorough, just missed that... my doc isn't, but I don't care, I love him and just have to make sure I'm my own advocate. He also is very open to suggestions from me and basically prescribes whatever I want. Weird, huh? I'd hope he doesn't do that with everyone. He's always had a lot of respect for me, even when a young, dumb, scared 19 yr old who he didn't know.
Now that he knows me and my family and my medical education/intelligence, well... I reallly have a lot of input! I need that though, as much as many healthcare providers would disagree with that type of practice (I actually would never practice that way, it's risky.), it's what I need. I have to think that I have a very very active role in my care and that basically everything was my idea. Doc's are shifting toward that anyway, but my doc's treatment with me is extreme.
That's hard sometimes because patients need provoking to get info and concerns out of them. That's why I've sometimes just tried to hide the anxiety and ADHD problems in the past, like when in for a sinus infection, because I was embarrassed and a little fearful of yet another drug with possible side effects.
Posted by jealibeanz on November 17, 2006, at 7:23:53
In reply to Re: aannd talked..., posted by lymom3 on November 15, 2006, at 19:43:01
> I'm so glad for you. I know it has to feel good just to get it off your chest. Good luck kid....
It did... and I was able to get an appointment next week when I don't have school, which is very lucky. However, I'm having second thoughts. I feel incredibly stupid, just plain stupid, having to go to my doctor, who made it through med school, and tell him I'm struggling enormously with PA school and want drugs to help. How pathetic.If you were a doctor, wouldn't you be a little concerned about someone like this who is going to be pushed out into practice soon, yet admits to knowing nothing, can't study right now, and can't even organize daily life tasks? I would be.
Posted by lymom3 on November 17, 2006, at 7:39:34
In reply to Re: aannd talked... » lymom3, posted by jealibeanz on November 17, 2006, at 7:23:53
I would expect you to be more empathetic than most and I would also expect you to be more thorough than most. I would bet you'll double check yourself and make sure you take the time to get it right. I would be more worried about the ones that breeze through everything and think they are god like and perfect frankly. You are intelligent enough to know you need help and to get it and the doctor knows you well enough to know that it's hard for you to ask.
Don't be so hard on yourself. If I was a betting person, I'd wager that you're going to make it and be a fantastic practioner.
Posted by jealibeanz on November 17, 2006, at 14:41:19
In reply to Re: aannd talked..., posted by lymom3 on November 17, 2006, at 7:39:34
I have the personality, heart, and compassion... but I've basically squeaked by so far by learning, understanding, and reating almost no detail about anything. It may be possible for me to pass. My school is doing its best to bend a little for me, but I am not comfortable with the fact that I know nothing. Ideally, I wouldn't have gone to school this year. I would have gone when the concentration and anxiety were OK. Right now I have the anxiety treated, unfortunately, I seriously underestimated my academic deficiencies, and thus will not be a good provider because I don't know medicine. :(
I could be great, unfortunately, this didn't work out.
Posted by lymom3 on November 17, 2006, at 15:06:39
In reply to Re: aannd talked..., posted by jealibeanz on November 17, 2006, at 14:41:19
don't think that you make up for that. You know what you missed. You can work hard to familiarize yourself with that. Take the courses again at a later date if you need to. I don't have a college degree and self taught myself everything in my field and manage a department. I know that humans aren't exactly the place to learn on the fly or anything but you'll be supervised for a while. You will also know, when and if the occasion arises, that you don't know something and... your ego won't get in the way. You'll find out what you need to know and you will learn and grow.
Posted by jealibeanz on November 17, 2006, at 19:03:23
In reply to Re: aannd talked..., posted by lymom3 on November 17, 2006, at 15:06:39
Possibly, although not knowing much in a few months, if not kicked out of school, may cause me to fail clinicals.
I'm still at a loss of words as to what to say to my doctor. Even if I were studying a different field it would be slightly awkward, but this is just downright pathetic in my case.
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