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Posted by ed_uk on October 4, 2006, at 11:34:15
In reply to Why and What to Do about Horrendous Anxiety, posted by Phillipa on October 3, 2006, at 22:29:19
Dear PJ,
I know you didn't like Seroquel, but did you ever try Zyprexa?
Ed xx
Posted by Phillipa on October 4, 2006, at 11:37:43
In reply to Re: Why and What to Do about Horrendous Anxiety, posted by bassman on October 4, 2006, at 6:30:22
And look at the time you all get up I slept til llam from lam. What is wrong with me am I dying? Is my liver shot? I have to get in the car and drive to where Greg is as I can't go alone and can't think. I'm so afraid of dying or being put in a hospital and because of my age being sent to a State Hospital where I will be drugged and die. It is reality seen it done. Love Phillipa ps how could I be anxious if I slept the day away?
Posted by Phillipa on October 4, 2006, at 11:41:20
In reply to Re: Why and What to Do about Horrendous Anxiety » Phillipa, posted by ed_uk on October 4, 2006, at 11:34:15
Ed I can't gain wt and diabetes is in my family. I'm so scared. Love PJO Gotta get to Greg
Posted by rjlockhart on October 4, 2006, at 14:30:16
In reply to Re: Why and What to Do about Horrendous Anxiety, posted by Phillipa on October 4, 2006, at 11:37:43
Do you rerember when, about 2-1/2 years ago when i thought i was going to die that i was going insane.
Im not saying maybe this is happening to you but its like a "cluster" of anxiety, with some thoughts that intrude you thinking your going crazy. Im not crazy today, which i thought i was on the egde of going insane. By the way i had my MRI done, i havent had any doctors look at the resuls but, listen, its a cluster of thoughts that plague your mind, it turns into a feeling of insanity. I had it. Im 19.
I know the word "antipsychotic" sounds absurd but 5mg of maybe Zyprexa i almost am certain will block out thoughts that are plagueing you. 10mg i would say is the max for a person with anxiety, maybe you can ask if you can take valium with zyprexa. Or switch to Xanax, and zyprexa. Thats what i take.
Seeing a doctor and a therpist may help, but find a therpist that is good for you, maybe psychodynamic? which is more Frued therpist, or CBT.
Ask your doctor for some samples of Zyprexa. Try them out.
Also stimulants may help, now this really sounds aburd, but i was Dexedrine and i felt confident, focused and tuned out irrational fears. But that is just a post-option im giving you. Dont take this one for granite.
Take care, now i think we have something in common.
Matt
Posted by SLS on October 5, 2006, at 9:07:17
In reply to Why and What to Do about Horrendous Anxiety, posted by Phillipa on October 3, 2006, at 22:29:19
So, what do you think?
- Scott
Posted by sregan on October 5, 2006, at 16:02:46
In reply to Why and What to Do about Horrendous Anxiety, posted by Phillipa on October 3, 2006, at 22:29:19
>How do I calm dowm Afraid to be alone. Always tired as I worry and worry about everything known to man. Love Phillipa
Sounds like you are hyper-stressed. Your system won't let you calm down. Doctors seem to think the thoughts preceed the brain chemistry. I think they effect each other. I know certain brain states facilitate certain thoughts. If your brain is in an anxious state you're going to have anxious thoughts.
When the brain is peaceful even the thought of death cannot disturb the peace. When the brain is hyper anxious having a hangnail can send you over the edge.
Benzos are a good short term help for anxiety. Xanax the most generally helpful because of it's short half life and Klonopin can greatly help sleep. You might have your cortisol levels checked. There is a type of Bi-polar and Melancholic Depression which manifest as high anxiety. Is your anxiety worst in the morning?
Also important to see yourself as cured and enjoying life again. Allow yourself to see it and believe you will be there again. When you find your mind is considering the worst take control and replace the scene with yourself feeling healthy and good...(has helped me tremendously)
Shawn
Posted by Phillipa on October 5, 2006, at 20:35:25
In reply to Re: Why and What to Do about Horrendous Anxiety » Phillipa, posted by SLS on October 5, 2006, at 9:07:17
Scott I know you will say depression. But I counted on EMSAM so much and now to hear it's bumming out the original successes is depressing in itself. Love Jan
Posted by Karen44 on October 7, 2006, at 0:46:14
In reply to Re: Why and What to Do about Horrendous Anxiety, posted by Phillipa on October 4, 2006, at 11:37:43
> And look at the time you all get up I slept til llam from lam. What is wrong with me am I dying? Is my liver shot? I have to get in the car and drive to where Greg is as I can't go alone and can't think. I'm so afraid of dying or being put in a hospital and because of my age being sent to a State Hospital where I will be drugged and die. It is reality seen it done. Love Phillipa ps how could I be anxious if I slept the day away?
Reading this and previous posts, you seem to be working yourself into a frenzy. You know I have had my health toilet as well in the past year--and more this year. We ARE getting older, and it can be a good time. Yes, it is no fun getting older. I look at myself in the mirror and say, "Who is that person? It's not me." Age is also a state of mind. So, even though I am reminded by a body that lets me know I am getting older, my state of mind improves. Unfortunately, I too have had more health issues develop like the fungus growing in my lungs, cancerous growths on my back, face, and hands; and the possibility I will need more surgery; the GERD that is causing me more problems even with med's, etc, etc, etc. I have come to take it in stride -- not easy when you THINK you have been healthy for the past 20 years. I wonder what you would do if Greg was not around. I have thought about that with my husband, and I used to think I could not make it. I don't think that anymore. I would probably go back to Kansas where I have lots of friends--more than in the Chicago area. Medications help to a point, but having people in your life is important too. I doubt you are dying, and you need to let the doctors see what is. Why the concern that they will yang the Xanax?? What is it really doing for you?
Karen
Posted by Greif on October 9, 2006, at 11:51:56
In reply to Re: Why and What to Do about Horrendous Anxiety, posted by Karen44 on October 7, 2006, at 0:46:14
I find that when I have a structured busy life I dont have time to think about my mood. A sunday off with no commitments used to be heaven when I was younger. If I do nothing on Sunday I tend to focus on meds and moods. Throw yourself into something taht requires you to show up and contribute. I am making assumptions here since I don't know your daily schedule. If you are over loaded with work it will create stress also. Finding the balance in your life is as important as meds. If you are having obsessive thoughts and fears then Benzos might not be the only med you need. Good luck!
Posted by sregan on October 9, 2006, at 16:54:35
In reply to Re: Why and What to Do about Horrendous Anxiety, posted by Greif on October 9, 2006, at 11:51:56
> I find that when I have a structured busy life I dont have time to think about my mood. A sunday off with no commitments used to be heaven when I was younger. If I do nothing on Sunday I tend to focus on meds and moods.
Good point to keep the mind busy. Just getting out of the house can help tremendously.
Posted by Phillipa on October 9, 2006, at 20:16:57
In reply to Re: Why and What to Do about Horrendous Anxiety, posted by sregan on October 9, 2006, at 16:54:35
I can't stay in the house or sit still. I get up do what I have to do and go 40minutes away to where Greg is working on the boats and sit with him. And then when he's done we run errands and then ride7.5miles on the bikes and then walk the dogs. I can't watch TV can't sit still. So I don't want to take a med to numb me anymore. Just relax enough so I can do those things myself. Love Phillipa
Posted by sregan on October 9, 2006, at 21:25:39
In reply to Re: Why and What to Do about Horrendous Anxiety » sregan, posted by Phillipa on October 9, 2006, at 20:16:57
Has your pdoc ruled out Bipolar or Melancholic Depression. Both have anxiety as part of their symptoms. If you can find the cause of the anxiety you are much better off. If as in melancholic depression stess has caused a problem with your hippocampus/HPA stress response system then if you don't correct that you will just treat symptoms indefinitely.
2. Meditation. There is a you beyond the mind/body you believe yourself to be. Meditation is the way to find it. Simply sitting and paying quiet attention to one's breathing is perhaps the simplest form.
There is also a book called "The HeartMath Solution" that has some really good mental exercises for quieting the mind.
Posted by yxibow on October 10, 2006, at 4:29:36
In reply to Re: Why and What to Do about Horrendous Anxiety » sregan, posted by Phillipa on October 9, 2006, at 20:16:57
> I can't stay in the house or sit still. I get up do what I have to do and go 40minutes away to where Greg is working on the boats and sit with him. And then when he's done we run errands and then ride7.5miles on the bikes and then walk the dogs. I can't watch TV can't sit still. So I don't want to take a med to numb me anymore. Just relax enough so I can do those things myself. Love Phillipa
If you have horrendous anxiety and you can't sit still yet you don't want to be calmed, this creates a quandary. I understand you don't want to be numbed out, but micro doses of neuroleptics aren't going to create a dysphoric detachment. And they work fast. Very fast, they're intended to do so. Its either that or more Xanax. I really can't think of anything that is going to act faster. You can continue with the Luvox, but that will take a while to work to quell such a situation. Meanwhile, why not try a trial of 2.5 or 5mg of Zyprexa for a week and if it doesn't suit you, you can just drop it. There's no real cold turkey issues there at that dose range. I just want to see you enjoy life.-- Jay
Posted by bassman on October 10, 2006, at 6:42:28
In reply to Re: Why and What to Do about Horrendous Anxiety » Phillipa, posted by yxibow on October 10, 2006, at 4:29:36
Well said, Jay. Life can be pretty nightmarish if you have to go from one activity to another to keep your attention off your anxiety (and that only works so well...).
Posted by ed_uk on October 10, 2006, at 14:52:46
In reply to Re: Why and What to Do about Horrendous Anxiety » SLS, posted by Phillipa on October 5, 2006, at 20:35:25
Hi PJ
I would suggest that you try 2.5mg Zyprexa for a couple of days. If you find it helpful you can take it on a 'when required' basis. I do not recommend taking it regularly, as the side effects are likely to be unacceptable. Taking it occasionally is very unlikely to be a problem. There's nothing to loose by giving it a try.
Love
Ed xx
Posted by Phillipa on October 10, 2006, at 19:40:18
In reply to Re: Why and What to Do about Horrendous Anxiety » Phillipa, posted by ed_uk on October 10, 2006, at 14:52:46
I have samples of seroquel and last night added l2.5mg to the valium and 50mg of luvox. I think I slept a little better. Now during the day? Love PJ O
Posted by Karen44 on October 10, 2006, at 22:41:40
In reply to Re: Why and What to Do about Horrendous Anxiety » ed_uk, posted by Phillipa on October 10, 2006, at 19:40:18
> I have samples of seroquel and last night added l2.5mg to the valium and 50mg of luvox. I think I slept a little better. Now during the day? Love PJ O
I hope this is an old sample of Seroquel that you decided to use to self-medicate and is not something your doctor said to do. By the way how much Valium do you take per day.
Posted by Phillipa on October 11, 2006, at 18:55:37
In reply to Re: Why and What to Do about Horrendous Anxiety » Phillipa, posted by Karen44 on October 10, 2006, at 22:41:40
My pdoc gave it to me and said I could try it if I wanted. And total of 20mg of valium a day. Not a lot. Love Phillipa
Posted by SLS on October 11, 2006, at 19:49:01
In reply to Re: Why and What to Do about Horrendous Anxiety » Phillipa, posted by Karen44 on October 10, 2006, at 22:41:40
> > I have samples of seroquel and last night added l2.5mg to the valium and 50mg of luvox. I think I slept a little better. Now during the day? Love PJ O
> I hope this is an old sample of Seroquel that you decided to use to self-medicate and is not something your doctor said to do.Why?
- Scott
Posted by ramsea on October 12, 2006, at 11:46:34
In reply to Re: Why and What to Do about Horrendous Anxiety » Karen44, posted by SLS on October 11, 2006, at 19:49:01
are you feeling any better now? xxramsea
Posted by Phillipa on October 12, 2006, at 19:41:38
In reply to Re: Why and What to Do about Horrendous Anxiety, posted by SLS on October 4, 2006, at 6:42:11
Seriously I'm so glad you asked. I got a report from the GP's assistant on the labs he drew on me. The liver okay. But I'd pointed out to him that my T4 was slightly high. So he did a thyroid panel. My TSH was only 0.5. Too low that explains the anxiety. He's cutting my sythroid dose she said. Sending a script by mail. To the next lowest dose. So I will shave some off the ones I have. And that also explains how tired I am as the high anxiety wears you out. I e-mailed my neice who was just at her endos and she had the same conversation with him. We both wondered how anxiety could be high if your TSH was high or low. He told her either. Love Phillipa. ps anyone have any ideas how to measure the pill?
Posted by Karen44 on October 12, 2006, at 23:06:28
In reply to Re: Why and What to Do about Horrendous Anxiety » Karen44, posted by SLS on October 11, 2006, at 19:49:01
I meant to say that I hope is it not an old script.
Posted by yxibow on October 15, 2006, at 2:22:30
In reply to Re: Why and What to Do about Horrendous Anxiety, posted by Karen44 on October 12, 2006, at 23:06:28
> I meant to say that I hope is it not an old script.
Refills are honored up to one year for old non scheduled prescriptions. 6 months for C-IV.
Posted by SLS on October 15, 2006, at 7:55:50
In reply to Re: Why and What to Do about Horrendous Anxiety » SLS, posted by ramsea on October 12, 2006, at 11:46:34
> are you feeling any better now? xxramsea
Right now, I'm not doing very well. I sometimes question why I bother taking any medication at all, except that I know I do more poorly taking nothing. Still, I don't receive much more than about a 15% improvement in depression from the drugs I do take. I am not very happy about my outlook right now.
Currently:Lamictal 150mg
nortriptyline 100mg
Topamax 100mg
Abilify 10mg
- Scott
Posted by Phillipa on October 15, 2006, at 18:31:35
In reply to Re: Why and What to Do about Horrendous Anxiety » ramsea, posted by SLS on October 15, 2006, at 7:55:50
Scott I figured as much. Any ideas for what's next? Hope you read the article Valene posted on Racer's thread on tompamax. Love Jan
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