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Posted by dondon on August 23, 2006, at 20:35:44
I was taking 10 benadryl all at once and i was doing it everyday and i feel like i injured my body. Is this self injurious behavior?
Posted by Maxime on August 23, 2006, at 23:37:19
In reply to 10 benadryl all at once, posted by dondon on August 23, 2006, at 20:35:44
> I was taking 10 benadryl all at once and i was doing it everyday and i feel like i injured my body. Is this self injurious behavior?
You shouldn't take more than 200 mg. You are taking 250 mg. Maybe you should get a prescription for Atarax?
Maxime
Posted by yxibow on August 24, 2006, at 0:17:23
In reply to 10 benadryl all at once, posted by dondon on August 23, 2006, at 20:35:44
> I was taking 10 benadryl all at once and i was doing it everyday and i feel like i injured my body. Is this self injurious behavior?
I can't reach into your psyche, and this perhaps isn't the appropriate part of the board, I don't know what Dr. Bob would categorize it as, but is there a reason for 250mg of benadryl ? Do you feel that anxious and are searching for a OTC solution ? I can't say whether its injurious over the long term, I don't know how long you've been taking it, but generally 200mg is about the limit, used in anticholinergic support for antipsychotics or for parkinsonism.
It is such an ancient medication that except for ointments and the occasional OTC usage there is no need for what is a horse pill.
As mentioned, for anxiety, Atarax would be better if you are seeking the same category. Remember either will dry you out considerably.
If its for antipsychotic alleviation, Akineton and Artane are far better.
But if its just to "leave this world" for a period of time, I would have to self-reflect on why exactly. It certainly isn't the best way of stabilizing mood. I can't diagnose you nor anyone else, over the net.Best wishes
-- J
Posted by psychobot5000 on August 24, 2006, at 22:13:25
In reply to Re: 10 benadryl all at once » dondon, posted by yxibow on August 24, 2006, at 0:17:23
Benadryl can be dangerous to the heart in high doses--it causes fast heart-beat, but at least you can check for that. If you take a high dose of benadryl--The OTC limit is 50mg--2 pills--then you must check your pulse to make sure it's not above what it would normally be.
But it also can cause changes in the electrical conductivity of your heart, and that can't be checked so simply. In any case, if you find your heart beating hard, or above 90-100 beats per minute, while at rest, then...that's bad.
For the sake of heart health (as well as other issues), I hope you find an alternative! Good luck!
Posted by yxibow on August 25, 2006, at 3:19:02
In reply to Re: 10 benadryl all at once, posted by psychobot5000 on August 24, 2006, at 22:13:25
> Benadryl can be dangerous to the heart in high doses--it causes fast heart-beat, but at least you can check for that. If you take a high dose of benadryl--The OTC limit is 50mg--2 pills--then you must check your pulse to make sure it's not above what it would normally be.
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> But it also can cause changes in the electrical conductivity of your heart, and that can't be checked so simply. In any case, if you find your heart beating hard, or above 90-100 beats per minute, while at rest, then...that's bad.
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> For the sake of heart health (as well as other issues), I hope you find an alternative! Good luck!
>Yes I would concur with the tachycardia -- the times I took benadryl as a kid (and I think more recently... I don't know, I generally would take claritin or something if I needed such a thing these days) I would get a fast heart beat and be more awake before getting sleepy. I think - its hard to remember.
Posted by UgottaHaveHope on August 25, 2006, at 3:44:22
In reply to 10 benadryl all at once, posted by dondon on August 23, 2006, at 20:35:44
We need details
Posted by yxibow on August 27, 2006, at 5:22:00
In reply to Re: What kind of injury?, posted by UgottaHaveHope on August 25, 2006, at 3:44:22
> We need details
I will post brief descriptions of possible injuries from antihistamine (chiefly diphenhydramine) but I think this should be in the interest of safety and I will not post anything about amounts. This isn't a forum for aiding suicide and you're obviously still here even after committing a potentially medically bad act as Benadryl should be spaced throughout a day.
Mostly gastric lavage and induced vomiting are performed, sometimes laxatives. Things like physostigmine may be given to increase ACh. Mostly extreme somnolence is present up to including coma, but most common is anticholinergic syndrome, something that can occur even with medically necessary prescribed doses of things like Akineton(I know, its the run of the gamut of Belladona like spaceout and dilated pupil symptoms and tachycardia with things like that and Cogentin, etc.)
Of deaths, which have been very few, most have been with diphenhydramine, which is not surprising because its the most common agent on the market, not because its any more potent other than being a bit harsher than refined anticholinergics.
I would see someone about this action and why you did perform it and to keep yourself safe. The intricacies of what happened medically is not necessarily as important (unless there is an ongoing problem with labs) as why and for your own psychiatric health.
Please stay safe and with us.-- Jay
Posted by dondon on August 27, 2006, at 15:41:40
In reply to Re: What kind of injury? » UgottaHaveHope, posted by yxibow on August 27, 2006, at 5:22:00
Well. I feel like it caused a stroke or hemmorage from taking all these pills. I took about 12 at once every day for like 2 months. Other things that happened are: it made me have severe muscle twitches in my arms and legs , speech problems, internal damage and other damage to my body.
Posted by gardenergirl on August 27, 2006, at 19:02:58
In reply to Re: What kind of injury?, posted by dondon on August 27, 2006, at 15:41:40
Posted by dondon on August 27, 2006, at 20:59:12
In reply to Re: What kind of injury?, posted by dondon on August 27, 2006, at 15:41:40
I was using them to get high (benadryl in high doses causes a high)anticholinergic delirium
Posted by yxibow on August 27, 2006, at 22:28:43
In reply to Re: What kind of injury?, posted by dondon on August 27, 2006, at 20:59:12
> I was using them to get high (benadryl in high doses causes a high)anticholinergic delirium
Anticholinergic delirium is a really... no moral statements here, but its messing incredibly with a very important system in your body. And as I said, the delirium can occur at medically valid levels as well.
Anticholinergics have medical value for EPS and parkinsons but basically you're saying that you want to feel like eating belladonna.
If you really took the amount you took it is not surprising to have twitching -- seizures are rare but for that amount of time and quantity I wouldn't be surprised. Internal damage, I can't comment on that, I would imagine it would affect your liver or the like.
Goodness please find some help for self-destructive acts, it just sounds like you're seeking that.
Stay here.
-- Jay.
Posted by dondon on August 27, 2006, at 23:06:37
In reply to Re: What kind of injury? » dondon, posted by yxibow on August 27, 2006, at 22:28:43
I didn't know at the time when i was taking the pills that i would seriously injure myself. I didn't think it would do any damage. I was just taking them to get high.
Posted by gardenergirl on August 27, 2006, at 23:48:58
In reply to Re: What kind of injury?, posted by dondon on August 27, 2006, at 20:59:12
Thanks for your honest reply. I have to admit, that's something I just don't relate to. Just waking up after having taken ambien and staggering around as if I were drunk, and seeing the walls shimmer is an experience I wouldn't want to seek out. It's freaks me out.
But I'm glad you're investigating the effects of this substance.
Take care,
gg
Posted by dondon on August 28, 2006, at 1:15:42
In reply to Re: What kind of injury? » dondon, posted by gardenergirl on August 27, 2006, at 23:48:58
Do you think that long term high dose benadryl use could cause hemmorages or strokes?
Posted by ed_uk on August 28, 2006, at 6:16:39
In reply to Re: What kind of injury?, posted by dondon on August 27, 2006, at 15:41:40
>Other things that happened are: it made me have severe muscle twitches in my arms and legs , speech problems......
But these symptoms have disappeared now you've stopped taking it, right?
Ed
Posted by gardenergirl on August 28, 2006, at 6:40:51
In reply to Re: What kind of injury?, posted by dondon on August 28, 2006, at 1:15:42
> Do you think that long term high dose benadryl use could cause hemmorages or strokes?
I have no idea, sorry. I'm sure there's information out there to find on the internet. And your doctor or pharmacist could also probably answer that.
I just asked what I did because I have a hard time relating to the behavior of "getting high". It's just not something I "get" from an empathetic level, so I am often curious about it. I appreciate it when someone helps me to try on their shoes, so to speak.
Take care,
gg
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