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Posted by maxx44 on November 23, 2003, at 0:37:37
In reply to Re: Xanax - Lexapro..Is it anxiety or depression??? » maxx44, posted by Mariposa on November 23, 2003, at 0:01:00
well, road rage is harmfull social activity---and you don't want to fired. as for divorced, it's a funny world. my ex had a tempestuous father---not abusive---but when my mood became more placid---she was 'out-of-love'. i'm glad it's working for you. your previous posts seem to say it wasn't. you seem to be talking 'wild thang'---your husband will probably be pleased---my ex has her problems that most don't. but, for protection, i'd check the net on any med on a regular basis to stay informed. best wishes
Posted by maxx44 on November 23, 2003, at 16:01:11
In reply to Re: Xanax - Lexapro..Is it anxiety or depression??? » maxx44, posted by Mariposa on November 23, 2003, at 0:01:00
someone mentioned xanax and DHEA. i've been searching for that post---can't find it. perhaps the poster may help me on that, as my 'notes' wondering if my severely lessened physical activity, which i attributed to a bout of atypical neuroleptic syndrome, show i was switched to librium about the same time. thank you.
Posted by femlite on November 23, 2003, at 22:24:39
In reply to Re: Xanax - Lexapro..Is it anxiety or depression???, posted by maxx44 on November 22, 2003, at 0:16:11
> kinda cryptic response---did you mean you 'waited' 20 years, or 'wasted' 20?
I was thinking how much easier it is for others afraid to face the face of God and i am waiting in my demintia. I have found His face, and no longer wait
There is no need to delay. Her hand contols what is her own fate
cioas for depression and anxiety, they often go together. the reason i asked about 'thinking' was you placed it in BOLD print. perhaps my response didn't show up. i've noticed a few things on this board---you don't always see the entire thread unless you click on 'thread' at the top. yeah, it's unfortunate some of us get 'the wild ride', but we do. hard to say if lexapro caused panic, but true coincidences are rare. best regards
kinda cryptic response---did you mean you 'waited' 20 years, or 'wasted' 20? as for depression and anxiety, they often go together. the reason i asked about 'thinking' was you placed it in BOLD print. perhaps my response didn't show up. i've noticed a few things on this board---you don't always see the entire thread unless you click on 'thread' at the top. yeah, it's unfortunate some of us get 'the wild ride', but we do. hard to say if lexapro caused panic, but true coincidences are rare. best regards
Posted by maxx44 on November 24, 2003, at 0:09:31
In reply to 20 yrs or 20 yrs. » maxx44, posted by femlite on November 23, 2003, at 22:24:39
well, you have me there. hope you're ok. lexapro is an unknown to me, benzos and tcas i know, and they're so old most users can relate. this is a med-site, i'm no dr., but the variability of your posts kinda reminds me of the times imipramine has popped me into 'rapid-cycling'---so back i went to my dr. best wishes
Posted by micro on November 24, 2003, at 0:56:44
In reply to Xanax - Lexapro..Is it anxiety or depression???, posted by jewelzz on November 21, 2003, at 8:38:45
> Back in 97 I had my first panic attack. I couldn't leave my house, had MANY phobias. I was put on buspar .. couldn't handle the "no feeling" I had, so dr tried to put me on prozac on top of the buspar. Also suggested switching to xanax. Needless to say, I feared the medicines, flushed them all (only took the buspar 2 months, none of the prozac) and sought therapy. After 6 months was panic attack free. I learned to talk myself down once it starts. Have never had a panic attack since.
> Recently I became depressed, had a "breakdown" and started on lexapro (antidepressant similiar to celexa) 3 days ago. First night felt good, second day had a Full Blown Panic Attack that I could not control, and third day started feeling a little emotionless. Have had palpitations, tremors, and no sleep. I am only taking 5mg right now, but my body is ultra sensitive to meds.
> Question is, has anyone else used lexapro that has anxiety and depression? What type of side effects did you experience? Any other info would be great!
> My doc now says I probably have depression due to my anxiety (I THINK alot, and have trouble relaxing). Suggests xanax to take as I need it, not on a regular basis. Afraid I may feel like a zombie again. Afraid to become addicted...
> If anyone has some insight I would greatly appreciate it! Thanks!Hello! I can speak from experience and from the literature on Xanax, it is not a take as you need it med. for most people. Rebound anxiety or increase in symtoms is common, thus the need for frequent dosing. It is a drug with a very short half life, therefore,it can be more difficult to seperate the disease state from the actual drug induced symtoms or break thru symtoms as the med. levels decrease in blood. micro-
Posted by brussell on November 24, 2003, at 1:10:33
In reply to Xanax - Lexapro..Is it anxiety or depression???, posted by jewelzz on November 21, 2003, at 8:38:45
Hello,
I also had a bad rxn to lexapro. It made me feel numb and stoned in a really horrible way. In general the SSRIs all have this effect on me. I have BPD with severe episodes of depression and anxiety.
Depression and anxiety are so closely linked that treating one effectively will probably help the other. Personally, I have found the benzodiazapines (like xanax or ativan) to be wonderful drugs, with few or no side effects. (Buspar never worked for me) They can be habit forming, but this is much less likely if you are careful to take the minimum amount necessary to control the anxiety. I have never had a craving for these drugs, and I quit taking them when my anxiety remits without noticing any effect. Of course, everyone is different.
I have heard from my psychiatrist that ativan (lorazapan) is better than xanax if you have chronic anxiety. Xanax works faster but also wears off faster.
Good luck finding an antidepressant that works. Everyone seems to respond to these drugs differently. I've had no luck with any of the current generation with the exception of Welbutrin (which doesn't do quite enough). I'm starting on an MAOI (Parnate) next week.
Best wishes.
Posted by micro on November 24, 2003, at 1:14:54
In reply to Re: Xanax Withdrawal, posted by Phyllis Chandler on August 18, 1998, at 23:54:39
> Threeco... I have heard and seen that klonopin is worse....getting ready whether I have a doctor or not.....was at 8 mponths off before when they convinced me that I needed to be back on....just as before panic is worse on the medication......
> it seems to be causing what it is suppose to take care of.......anyone try anything in the natural
> remedy area.......any results.....love and light
>
>
Hello! you are so correct in stating your symtoms in regard to many benzos xanax, klonopin etc,it has always amazed me how many pdocs really don't understand the pharmacolgy of the meds which they rx. Also, how many times have you heard one say" I never heard of that or that isn't possible or your symtoms have returned. Granted this type of pharmacology is in its infancy,but the actual number of true psycopharms is few. So if a drug isn't working [in the manner you state], please discont, and try and alternative. Most of the meds can and do cause similar symtoms to those which you desire controlled or eliminated. The top docs are aware that depression can be caused by klonopin and other benzos. micro= Do Not Discont. Without your Doc.
Posted by rbeck on November 25, 2003, at 15:21:52
In reply to Xanax - Lexapro..Is it anxiety or depression???, posted by jewelzz on November 21, 2003, at 8:38:45
Anyone out there have experience with Temporal Lobe ADD and Seizures? I was diagnosed with the TL Seizures about 11 years ago, and then believed I just had various anxiety and depression symptoms- which ended up being adult onset ADD. Wow... Was that ever a difficult 10+ years. I had a dreadful time with [lack of] organization, sometimes hyperfocus, frequent social anxiety, etc. --But I'm a mom! Please tell me there's someone out there with these sort of symptoms. And now I'm taking Effexor (300-450 mg), Adderall (30 mg), and Trileptol (just recently went from 600 to 900 due to seizures two days in a row- after not having any for several months).
I've tried too many different meds to name. But maybe it wasn't the right combination... Now, the Adderall ( I think) is making me feel very out of it... with a dry mouth, I catch my self oddly moving my lips/mouth, kind of wanting to do intense tasks but becoming very aggitated when I can't.
Recommendations? Comments? Thanks guys!! (I found this site after linking up with some old- 2001, postings about temporal lobe epil/ ADD.
Posted by maxx44 on November 25, 2003, at 16:40:26
In reply to Effex, Adderall, Trileptol- Temp Lobe ADD Seizu, posted by rbeck on November 25, 2003, at 15:21:52
only seizure thing i've been on was neurontin---for aniety. like most meds it does different things to each of us. you are told to avoid grapefruit w/neurontin. neurontin seemed benign to me, but oddly increased exercise? go figure? good luck, wish i knew more, but even if i did, it probably wouldn't apply. aside from the few old things that seem to work sort-of the same for most (benzos, tcas, maois, lithium, trazadone, dexidrene) these newer critters seem to react quite differently for various people, so differently i really wonder if it's wise to do what so many on boards do---ask others what's worked for them. if we were all identical twins, that might make things easier. but we're unique. i also ask others, we all want to get better. so it seems a natural thing to do. but does it work?
love to hear some success stories. best wishes
Posted by rbeck on November 25, 2003, at 18:44:34
In reply to Re: Effex, Adderall, Trileptol- Temp Lobe ADD Seizu, posted by maxx44 on November 25, 2003, at 16:40:26
> only seizure thing i've been on was neurontin---for aniety. like most meds it does different things to each of us. you are told to avoid grapefruit w/neurontin. neurontin seemed benign to me, but oddly increased exercise? go figure? good luck, wish i knew more, but even if i did, it probably wouldn't apply. aside from the few old things that seem to work sort-of the same for most (benzos, tcas, maois, lithium, trazadone, dexidrene) these newer critters seem to react quite differently for various people, so differently i really wonder if it's wise to do what so many on boards do---ask others what's worked for them. if we were all identical twins, that might make things easier. but we're unique. i also ask others, we all want to get better. so it seems a natural thing to do. but does it work?
> love to hear some success stories. best wishesThank you Maxx... I agree with your comments. But with conditions like these, it's always nice to hear of others who understand. :) Thanks again for your feedback. And best wishes to you too.
Posted by C.Burton on November 25, 2003, at 21:45:16
In reply to Xanax - Lexapro..Is it anxiety or depression???, posted by jewelzz on November 21, 2003, at 8:38:45
Hi! I hope this will help you. I find all of this so very interesting. A few years ago I started having panic attacks and sleepless nights followed. When I say sleepless nights, I literally mean I could not fall asleep!! Long story short, I went 2 whole months without sleeping at night and that of course made the panic attacks,anzxiety and depression so much worse! I tried Paxil,Celexa and Xanax was the only thing that would relax me enough to fall asleep for even a couple of hours at a time but of course the doctor would not give me much of that. The point of all this is , I eventually ditched all medicines and got to the core issue and for me it was deep and personal and I did not even know it existed. When I found out was troubling me and got counseling for that all panic attacks ended and I have truly not suffered from any more problems! We all handle emotional things differently and maybe whatever troubles people like you and I really embeds itself so deeply that later in life we suffer until we explore what the true problem is.
Posted by maxx44 on November 25, 2003, at 21:55:44
In reply to Re: Effex, Adderall, Trileptol- Temp Lobe ADD Seizu, posted by rbeck on November 25, 2003, at 18:44:34
thank you so much. certainly in consideration of drug co. trial 'errors', in their fiscal quest, and so many posters deal only with newer drugs---it may be wise to draw data from board members---the 'real-life' info pool---but you'd have to see a trend, i think, to decide. your response promted my insight---how'd you do that? live long and prosper.
Posted by maxx44 on November 25, 2003, at 22:31:45
In reply to Re: Xanax - Lexapro..Is it anxiety or depression???, posted by C.Burton on November 25, 2003, at 21:45:16
smart dr. on xanax or you'd regret it. i agree many, many issues may be unresolved conflicts, but i think some such as bipolar disorder, etc. also involve currently termed genetic disposition. in the case of unresolved conflict---that would de-stabilize the vulnerable. probably stress-driven. of my children 2 are bipolar---the only 2 to experience major traumatic events in childhood.
Posted by kaylen on November 25, 2003, at 23:51:43
In reply to Re: Xanax - Lexapro..Is it anxiety or depression???, posted by maxx44 on November 25, 2003, at 22:31:45
Have been watching the posts here for a little while {posted a time or two}...and I think your all terrific...everyone cares..and really do want to help. I am curious about one thing...
I had not a clue I would have the chance to be in contact with so many manic/depressives aka
bi/polars....I am now hypo manic and take xanax
I still get excited about the smallest things but that to me has been a gift..like ..being able to see things from a child's point of view.
so much is always freash and new. Im lucky to be on the manic side..the depression is so ..I can't think of a word ...Ive mostly been a happy person my whole life ...when I am severly depressed I am sorry that I was ever created..and thats so sad to feel that way when I know what a wondourous place we have here if we just choose to look at it..depression seems to take that choice away and all i can see is the bad. Does anyone know of little {or big}..things to do to help make it pass faster or to not take over at all?...I have found that if I am depressed and I don't want to go..do...see...whatever ..and I do it in an attempt to shake it off ..I have a horrible time
sorry I ever even tried and it just confirms that my only hope is to wait it out ..and I have a hard time beleiving that sometimes ..in fact ive mistaken the hell world ..for my real world
too often and it bleeds into my life...and changes ...but I feel extreamly lucky/blessed that I am getting better all the time ...and I dont know the abreviations or lingo but I refuse to take "brain tweaking" stuff...{for me xanax allows me to be me}...and my depressions are practically non-exsistant...thank you
kaylen
Posted by maxx44 on November 26, 2003, at 0:11:20
In reply to Re: Xanax - Lexapro..Is it anxiety or depression???, posted by kaylen on November 25, 2003, at 23:51:43
xanax may have been made for you. strong anti-d qualities. it's known to increase the master hormone DHEA activity, leading to more dopamine--the 'feel-good' stuff---but it's really addicting if used daily, for most. so much so, it may be a lifetime regimen. i'd ask my dr. of this and why this course was chosen.
Posted by jewelzz on November 26, 2003, at 8:07:57
In reply to Re: Xanax - Lexapro..Is it anxiety or depression???, posted by maxx44 on November 26, 2003, at 0:11:20
Thanks for all the info to date... going on my second week of lexapro. I have had to take xanax twice now for the jitters and the feeling that I want to crawl out of my skin.
Depressed again yesterday. I know I am building with the Lex, but it gets frustrating. Also hard to want to take the stuff when I wake up and feel really good.
I am starting counseling to see if there is some 'deep seeded problem' which I am sure there is...
Does anyone else have problems with being totally sleepy and out of it on xanax? I am on the lowest dose~! Also gives me a weird headache???
Thanks! And hugs to all~~~
Posted by maxx44 on November 26, 2003, at 20:42:34
In reply to Re: Xanax - Lexapro..Is it anxiety or depression???, posted by jewelzz on November 26, 2003, at 8:07:57
i'd keep xanax at the end of a long pole. emergency use only. some of what you are going thru sounds like de-hydration with me. do you drink a lot of water. a lot of people thing soda, fruit juice, beer, etc. is like water. it's mostly water. seems reasonable---but our bodies only see plain water as water. you drink a pint of beer---real quick you're on the potty. drink a pint of water? nope. dehydration lowers blood pressure, as many meds. sounds like a double whammy maybe. only you know how much water you drink. sounds like you're coming back fine.
Posted by jewelzz on November 26, 2003, at 21:15:50
In reply to Re: Xanax - Lexapro..Is it anxiety or depression???, posted by maxx44 on November 26, 2003, at 20:42:34
The water thing.. is interesting.. I don't drink water much at all. Maybe a glass a week, if even that! I drink 1-2 diet sprites and juice during the day... I'll have to try to drink some more water and see what happens..
will keep you posted.. and THANKS for the info..
Posted by maxx44 on November 26, 2003, at 22:12:37
In reply to Re: Xanax - Lexapro..Is it anxiety or depression???, posted by jewelzz on November 26, 2003, at 21:15:50
well, boy howdy, from the space-cowboy---not many things safe as water, unless you can't swim. i've gotta have my morning coffee, but when neglecting proper 'just water', i don't feel good. just down. and stand-up fast? i've fainted. we are mostly water, just like this gravity-cursed planet. how can meds work right on a body that is 'toxicly' low on water? and unless your residence is new, and monitored for pollutants, good idea to get it from one of those cheap/gallon dispensers at every super market--better than perrier--really. while proper water intake may not be the total 'solution' to your deal---your pure water intake is already a threat to plain physical health. and mental health? probably. but even if it doesn't do that? you wanta be slim? live longer? normal dehydrated people face big trouble, and it's not mental. so it's a rare 'win-win' deal. thanks for the trust---gotta look at papers on lexapro. get back to you.
Posted by maxx44 on November 26, 2003, at 23:34:10
In reply to Re: Xanax - Lexapro..Is it anxiety or depression???, posted by jewelzz on November 26, 2003, at 21:15:50
did my work on lexapro---interesting. modified ssri. as they all knock me out, but do lessen depression, i'll have to view it vs. remeron for me. gotta change something. the bit on it being approved for panic and BPD is very interesting. thanks for the lead.
Posted by jewelzz on November 27, 2003, at 22:41:27
In reply to Re: Xanax - Lexapro..Is it anxiety or depression???, posted by maxx44 on November 26, 2003, at 23:34:10
Another post from me.
Have been on the Lexapro for 1 week and 2 days. Anxiety/Panic attacks pretty much subsided, although did have to take xanax twice. Feel a little more able to think straight, no longer having such racing thoughts.
Just thought I'd share the info for anyone switching to Lex. There isn't alot that I've found as far as people's experience with Lexapro on the net, so want to help. Stick with it. SE's are not terrible, and don't last long...
~~Thanks to others that gave/give input :)~~
Posted by Emory on January 25, 2004, at 16:45:44
In reply to Xanax - Lexapro..Is it anxiety or depression???, posted by jewelzz on November 21, 2003, at 8:38:45
I am a teenager and I was diagnosed with Bipolar disorder a few months ago. This disorder has affected me all my life and I am still learning more about it. I have been hospitalized several times within the last year due to the extreme trauma I have been enduring. It is now just unfolding and sort of comming out at its worst and is affecting my mother a ton! I have suffered from anxiety, depression, suicidal thoughts, and other things that effect me uncountiously. The reason why I say that is because due to my situation I cant stop and lick my wounds, I have to keep going. I have seen a lot of doctors and they have put me on anti- depresants such as lexapro, prozac, zoloft, and none of them worked. They either made me more manic or more depressed. Now they have me on Trileptol (1200 mg), resperdal(.25 mg), and Ativan(as needed). Both the trileptol and resperdal are mood stabilizers and the ativan for anxiety. What I am experiencing with the trileptol is cotton mouth, numbness, fatigue, dizziness, etc. I believe that I am now not in the crisis that I was in a few weeks ago and I seem to be doing A LOT better. I dont know if this is because my meds all of a sudden kicked in, or SOMETHING just in my head just clicked naturally, OR I am just experiencing one of my "STATES" that I go into periodically where I think im just fine and then I blow up. I really dont know. I am tired of taking these meds and doctors just shoving pills down my throat including my mother. I understand that I need them until I get more stable and then I can work out my problems but FRANKLY, I am scared of becoming more of a zombie, possibly becoming addicted, or what these DRUGS might be doing to my developing mind. To answer the question that the previous person has posted (in my opinion) the LEXAPRO was a terrible drug for me. It had WAY to many side effects, including making my social anxiety WORSE -- believe it or not. My doctor witnesss this as well and agrees ( he took me off of it ). He wanted to put me on lithium ( he was my outpatient doctor ) -- when I was in the hospital my other docor who was more familiar with GIRL problems (me being a teenage girl) decided to put me on TRILEPTOl which is a lot safter considering you dont have to get your blood drawn regularly and eating a certain way, etc. ANYWAYS, hopefully im not BOREING anyone-- lol-- I am doing pretty good now and I hope in the future I wont be taking all these drugs and will be working out my problems in therapy.
THANK YOU
Posted by Michael D on March 2, 2004, at 16:52:28
In reply to Effex, Adderall, Trileptol- Temp Lobe ADD Seizu, posted by rbeck on November 25, 2003, at 15:21:52
> Anyone out there have experience with Temporal Lobe ADD and Seizures?
> Was that ever a difficult 10+ years. I had a dreadful time with [lack of] organization, sometimes hyperfocus, frequent social anxiety, etc. --But I'm a mom! Please tell me there's someone out there with these sort of symptoms.
Yup. I've been diagnosed with Complex PTSD with the above symptoms. I meet the diagnostic criteria for TL ADD quite well, though. I'm curious, did you grow up in a 'disfunctional family'? Do you have any history of abuse? I ask because I read my symptoms as the hyperarousal of PTSD.
I have, however, been described as 'atypical'.
I'm very sensitive to stress. I'm convinced that if I could get all the stress from me and get some trauma therapy, I could be free of my symptoms.
If you are reading this and you don't know what Temporal Lobe ADD is, see the following:
http://groups.msn.com/TheADHDZone/the6typesofadd.msnw
http://www.brainplace.com/bp/atlas/ch12.asp
http://www.mindfixers.com/amensub5.htmlComments welcome
Michael D
> And now I'm taking Effexor (300-450 mg), Adderall (30 mg), and Trileptol (just recently went from 600 to 900 due to seizures two days in a row- after not having any for several months).
>
> I've tried too many different meds to name. But maybe it wasn't the right combination... Now, the Adderall ( I think) is making me feel very out of it... with a dry mouth, I catch my self oddly moving my lips/mouth, kind of wanting to do intense tasks but becoming very aggitated when I can't.
>
> Recommendations? Comments? Thanks guys!! (I found this site after linking up with some old- 2001, postings about temporal lobe epil/ ADD.
Posted by joeyd on June 12, 2006, at 2:44:58
In reply to Xanax Withdrawal, posted by Phyllis Chandler on August 7, 1998, at 16:38:29
A bit of history, I got back from Iraq about a year and a half ago and started taking Klonopan. I took it for a year and finally got off. (Man that was hard!) Right after I started feeling better, my wife and I lost our baby boy. This immidiately put me back on Klonopon and xanax. It was the only way to keep it together for my wife and daugter. (so I thought) At the same time I was taking Vicoden and percocet for a Line of Duty injury I had. Well, I realized the opiots got me throught the day and I started abusing them. Now I'm hooked on both. I've been to three doctors and they all say "just get off." Obviously it is easier said than done. I realy dug myself into a dich here. I dont know If I should get off the Benzos or the Opiots first. I cant do both and Function at all. Sadly I'm at the point that when I take them I am "normal." I take care of my wife (she has DVT) and my doughter and go to work. I dont want to be like this and need to be a good father and husband while "clean." I really need help and I think others experience will help. At this point doctors to me are useless. Thanks in Advance and sorry for the long post.
Joey
Posted by Dr. Bob on June 12, 2006, at 21:26:12
In reply to Re: Xanax Withdrawal, posted by joeyd on June 12, 2006, at 2:44:58
> I've been to three doctors and they all say "just get off." Obviously it is easier said than done...
Sorry to interrupt, but I'd like to redirect this thread to Psycho-Babble Withdrawal now. Here's a link:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/wdrawl/20060602/msgs/656183.html
Thanks,
Bob
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