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Posted by TylerJ on April 7, 2006, at 18:07:14
In reply to Re: What do you take for insomnia?, posted by Caedmon on April 7, 2006, at 15:40:05
> My experiences:
>
> trazodone - a little TOO effective, and does end up causing tolerance
> Seroquel - yuck, way too sedating and I feel terrible the next day
> amitriptyline - my personal choice, or was anyway, before I considered going onto Parnate
> Ambien - useless
> Lunesta - also useless, and unreasonably costly
> benzodiazepines - useless and tolerance-forming
> melatonin - surprisingly effective; cheap, too
>
> Since I'll be starting up on Parnate I have to reconsider what hypnotics I'll use. My standby amitriptyline is out, so I'm thinking of something new. The Z-drugs w/ benzo-like action (e.g. Lunesta) are basically useless and way too expensive.
>
> I'm going to ask for Neurontin (gabapentin). Anyone take gabapentin for insomnia? It has a short halflife, few side effects, and it's usually pretty sedating. Good things to have in a hypnotic.
>
> Also, is melatonin contraindicated with an MAOI? If not, I may just stick to that.
>
> - CYea, Ambien isn't working for me at all. So I'm back on Trazodone 150-200 a night. Let me know what you find out about melatonin, I'd be interested in trying it. Thanks.
Tyler
Posted by Caedmon on April 7, 2006, at 20:20:03
In reply to Re: What do you take for insomnia? » Caedmon, posted by TylerJ on April 7, 2006, at 18:07:14
Oh, I wanted to add, that my experiences re: hypnotics are *mine*, and not applicable to everybody. For example, some people really do well on some of the drugs that I responded poorly to. I know that's kind of a truism w/ psych meds, I just wanted to couch my post in more subjective terms though.
Hey Tyler,
I haven't found any info on melatonin being contraindicated w/ MAOIs. I read one website saying that MAOIs can potentiate melatonin. Still interested if anyone knows.
- C
Posted by Paulbwell on April 7, 2006, at 21:53:45
In reply to Re: What do you take for insomnia?, posted by Caedmon on April 7, 2006, at 20:20:03
> Oh, I wanted to add, that my experiences re: hypnotics are *mine*, and not applicable to everybody. For example, some people really do well on some of the drugs that I responded poorly to. I know that's kind of a truism w/ psych meds, I just wanted to couch my post in more subjective terms though.
>
> Hey Tyler,
>AME SANS VIE finds Seconal, and Tuinal- (Amytal+Secobarbital), (Barbiturates) very effective, and many here have said that that Nembutal, (no longer made0 gave the best sleep)-BUT hese are HEAVY duty measures!
Cheers
Posted by MARTY on April 8, 2006, at 2:41:32
In reply to Re: What do you take for insomnia?, posted by Caedmon on April 7, 2006, at 15:40:05
Hi Caedmon,If you are willing to try Neurontin I would recommend you Lyrica which is a new med based on Neurontin. Trust me; it is FAR more sedating than Neurontin. Sleep is very good and feel refresh the next day. Neurontin isn't very sedative unless you try it at high dose which you may find it taxing on memory and mental alertness.
Marty> My experiences:
>
> trazodone - a little TOO effective, and does end up causing tolerance
> Seroquel - yuck, way too sedating and I feel terrible the next day
> amitriptyline - my personal choice, or was anyway, before I considered going onto Parnate
> Ambien - useless
> Lunesta - also useless, and unreasonably costly
> benzodiazepines - useless and tolerance-forming
> melatonin - surprisingly effective; cheap, too
>
> Since I'll be starting up on Parnate I have to reconsider what hypnotics I'll use. My standby amitriptyline is out, so I'm thinking of something new. The Z-drugs w/ benzo-like action (e.g. Lunesta) are basically useless and way too expensive.
>
> I'm going to ask for Neurontin (gabapentin). Anyone take gabapentin for insomnia? It has a short halflife, few side effects, and it's usually pretty sedating. Good things to have in a hypnotic.
>
> Also, is melatonin contraindicated with an MAOI? If not, I may just stick to that.
>
> - C
Posted by yxibow on April 8, 2006, at 4:24:59
In reply to Re: What do you take for insomnia? » Caedmon, posted by MARTY on April 8, 2006, at 2:41:32
One should be cautious about melatonin in depression -- it is a hormone and can interfere in some situations. If it works for you, fine, but there can be a contraindication, which I assume would be a possibility in Rozerem as well although perhaps not as strong.
Posted by ravenstorm on April 8, 2006, at 9:16:49
In reply to Re: What do you take for insomnia?, posted by yxibow on April 8, 2006, at 4:24:59
Per the above post. I just read the rozerem PI sheet and it says it can affect both testosterone (lowers it) and prolactin levels.
I have enough hormone problems (twice the amount of progesterone of a normal woman) without throwing that into the mix!
Bummer! Also concerned about the possibility of anything to do with melatonin making depression worse. Wish there was something non-addictive for sleep that I could tolerate.
Posted by MARTY on April 8, 2006, at 22:42:57
In reply to Re: What do you take for insomnia?, posted by Paulbwell on April 7, 2006, at 21:53:45
Here's a good one. Last month my Pdoc prescribed me 3 things to try to relieve my insomnia cause by Nardil (MAOI). I didn't see what she prescribed my until I arrived to my pharmacist with my prescription. One of the 3 things was TRYPTOPHAN, 1000mg at sleep time.The joke? Tryptophan is dangerous with MAOI and when tried (when benefit > risks, which wasn't the case since we didn't try other things as this time) it's recommended to start at 100mg and titrate very slowly.
My pharmacist called here in front of me and ask WHAT THE F*CK WAS WITH HER (in a professional way) well she had to explain my Pdoc what was the problem; MY PDOC WASN'T AWARE OF THE INCOMPATIBILITY OF TRYPTOPHAN AND MAOI AT ALL. And worst, she ask my pharmacist to let it pass anyway, that she would take 100% responsability.. in fact she had, from what I heard, to repeat her request 3 times to my pharmacist. My pharmacist was visibly in despair and upset at my Pdoc.. She didn't look to know what to tell me. I've resolved the problem myself in telling her that I was refusing this treatment; that I wasn't going to touch that bottle. She laugh nervously and told me she had taken the decision to go against the request of my Pdoc and didn't had the intention to give me the Tryptophan anyway.
"1g of precaution is worth 100g of medecines" ?
I like my PDoc because she gives me EVERYTHING I ask here.. but I fear she could hurt less knowledgeable patients who could have less talented pharmacist..
Anyway.. hope my post help you to put you to sleep ;) "Read 1 hours before bed"
Marty
Posted by tizza on April 9, 2006, at 4:34:19
In reply to Re: What do you take for insomnia? » Paulbwell, posted by MARTY on April 8, 2006, at 22:42:57
You can't get real melatonin in Australia, it's illegal here for some really stupid reason and I really want to try it. You can get it in a really weak homeopathic formulation that doesn't really do much but that's it. Frustrated Paul
Posted by TylerJ on April 9, 2006, at 9:14:00
In reply to Re: What do you take for insomnia? » Paulbwell, posted by MARTY on April 8, 2006, at 22:42:57
>
> Here's a good one. Last month my Pdoc prescribed me 3 things to try to relieve my insomnia cause by Nardil (MAOI). I didn't see what she prescribed my until I arrived to my pharmacist with my prescription. One of the 3 things was TRYPTOPHAN, 1000mg at sleep time.
>
> The joke? Tryptophan is dangerous with MAOI and when tried (when benefit > risks, which wasn't the case since we didn't try other things as this time) it's recommended to start at 100mg and titrate very slowly.
>
> My pharmacist called here in front of me and ask WHAT THE F*CK WAS WITH HER (in a professional way) well she had to explain my Pdoc what was the problem; MY PDOC WASN'T AWARE OF THE INCOMPATIBILITY OF TRYPTOPHAN AND MAOI AT ALL. And worst, she ask my pharmacist to let it pass anyway, that she would take 100% responsability.. in fact she had, from what I heard, to repeat her request 3 times to my pharmacist. My pharmacist was visibly in despair and upset at my Pdoc.. She didn't look to know what to tell me. I've resolved the problem myself in telling her that I was refusing this treatment; that I wasn't going to touch that bottle. She laugh nervously and told me she had taken the decision to go against the request of my Pdoc and didn't had the intention to give me the Tryptophan anyway.
>
> "1g of precaution is worth 100g of medecines" ?
>
> I like my PDoc because she gives me EVERYTHING I ask here.. but I fear she could hurt less knowledgeable patients who could have less talented pharmacist..
>
> Anyway.. hope my post help you to put you to sleep ;) "Read 1 hours before bed"
>
> Marty
>
>Wow, that's kind of scary-but funny as hell the way you wrote it! :) Maybe your pdoc's on a little too much of something herself! :) "Here, just take this and this and this, and oh yea, let's add a little xanax in there, and definitely some good ol' dexedrine." LOL
Tyler
Posted by Maxime on April 9, 2006, at 10:59:50
In reply to Re: What do you take for insomnia? » MARTY, posted by Maxime on April 5, 2006, at 20:04:57
I was wrong. StarNoc (Sonata) is available once again in Canada. My apologies.
To my fellow Canadians. If you ever want to find out if a med is available go to this site right here on Health Canada.
http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/dhp-mps/prodpharma/databasdon/dpd_index_e.html
Maxime
Posted by ed_uk on April 9, 2006, at 12:44:26
In reply to Re: What do you take for insomnia?, posted by tizza on April 9, 2006, at 4:34:19
Same in the UK RE melatonin. A lot of medical things seem the same in Australia and the UK. I think our 'authorities' have been conferring again.
Ed x
Posted by MARTY on April 9, 2006, at 13:06:00
In reply to Re: What do you take for insomnia? » MARTY, posted by TylerJ on April 9, 2006, at 9:14:00
> Wow, that's kind of scary-but funny as hell the way you wrote it! :) Maybe your pdoc's on a little too much of something herself! :)
Maybe? What would you do if you were a Pdoc yourself ? ;) Okay, maybe everyone is not as 'crazy meds' loving as us :P
But sometimes I feel like she use me as a guinea pig to experiment what she would like to try next LOL
"Tryptophan 100mg would be nice to add to my easter familly party cocktail next sunday, but let's try it first on Marty at 1 gram.. 10 times my target dose should be enough for my little comfortable safe zone."
WHAT'S NEXT ? 150mg TYRAMINE BID ?
I love that girlMarty
Posted by TylerJ on April 9, 2006, at 14:25:05
In reply to Re: What do you take for insomnia? » TylerJ, posted by MARTY on April 9, 2006, at 13:06:00
>
>
>
>
> > Wow, that's kind of scary-but funny as hell the way you wrote it! :) Maybe your pdoc's on a little too much of something herself! :)
>
> Maybe? What would you do if you were a Pdoc yourself ? ;) Okay, maybe everyone is not as 'crazy meds' loving as us :P
>
> But sometimes I feel like she use me as a guinea pig to experiment what she would like to try next LOL
>
> "Tryptophan 100mg would be nice to add to my easter familly party cocktail next sunday, but let's try it first on Marty at 1 gram.. 10 times my target dose should be enough for my little comfortable safe zone."
>
> WHAT'S NEXT ? 150mg TYRAMINE BID ?
> I love that girl
>
> Marty
>LOL...I really did laugh out loud! :) You crack me up Marty.
I picture your pdoc as a little lady, not too old, not too bright. And when you say, "How about if we try this," she says, "yes, good idea Marty, and we could also try this too...I don't THINK it'll be a problem, although I'm not completely sure, oh, what the hell". And when she sees you the next visit she says, "Now what are you taking Marty"? She has forgotten completely. And when you tell her, she's like...Hmmmm, now why did we put you on that? Oh, it's good to laugh. Thanks for making me laugh Marty! :)Tyler
Posted by MARTY on April 9, 2006, at 16:12:22
In reply to Re: What do you take for insomnia? » MARTY, posted by TylerJ on April 9, 2006, at 14:25:05
> LOL...I really did laugh out loud! :) You crack me up Marty.
:P Don't worry I'm sure I have more fun writing those kind of post that you have reading it. It's so therapeutic to laugh at those serious matters with (the rare) people who also knows and live in that "crazy world" with Pdoc, meds etc..
> I picture your pdoc as a little lady, not too old, not too bright. And when you say, "How about if we try this," she says, "yes, good idea Marty, and we could also try this too...I don't THINK it'll be a problem, although I'm not completely sure, oh, what the hell". And when she sees you the next visit she says, "Now what are you taking Marty"? She has forgotten completely. And when you tell her, she's like...Hmmmm, now why did we put you on that?
YOU'RE SO RIGHT ABOUT THAT ! scares me! LOL Young, inexperienced and more the 'hard studying' kind than the high IQ & passioned type. Just to say as much you got it; As a software engineer I'm sure I could code a software in 15 minutes that would do her job as well as her:
Hi <PATIENT NAME>.
How are you with your <MEMORY ERROR> cocktail ? Ooh sorry to hear.Well maybe we can add <RANDOM MED in Database> at <RANDOM DOSE X mg: Where X is 1/3 times wrong and/or Dangerous IF year PATIENT/KILLED Ratio not yet reached>.
Are you OK with that Marty OR ...?
<OK>
<ELSE AT WILL>
<ALREADY TAKING IT>
<NO THANKS, NOT CURRENTLY SUICIDAL>
<UH? NOT EVEN AVAILABLE IN CANADA>
Answer: _______Thank you <VICTIM NAME>.
Please put a "I agree" check in the box beneath the "LEGAL DISCHARGE" text.PRINTING BLOTTERS ... <ERROR!!!>
Please switch your R/G/B ink cartridge with your Serotonin/Dopamine/Norepinephrine pharmaceutical cartridge so we can apply the "trillion money making, moronic and brain damaging cathecolamines deficiency theory" ...
God, I wish there would have a lot of pdoc reading this post so I could imagine most of them being sure about being the Pdoc described above ... seeking their patients folders looking for a "MARTY, X".
Marty
Posted by TylerJ on April 9, 2006, at 18:12:11
In reply to Re: What do you take for insomnia? » TylerJ, posted by MARTY on April 9, 2006, at 16:12:22
> > LOL...I really did laugh out loud! :) You crack me up Marty.
>
> :P Don't worry I'm sure I have more fun writing those kind of post that you have reading it. It's so therapeutic to laugh at those serious matters with (the rare) people who also knows and live in that "crazy world" with Pdoc, meds etc..
>
> > I picture your pdoc as a little lady, not too old, not too bright. And when you say, "How about if we try this," she says, "yes, good idea Marty, and we could also try this too...I don't THINK it'll be a problem, although I'm not completely sure, oh, what the hell". And when she sees you the next visit she says, "Now what are you taking Marty"? She has forgotten completely. And when you tell her, she's like...Hmmmm, now why did we put you on that?
>
> YOU'RE SO RIGHT ABOUT THAT ! scares me! LOL Young, inexperienced and more the 'hard studying' kind than the high IQ & passioned type. Just to say as much you got it; As a software engineer I'm sure I could code a software in 15 minutes that would do her job as well as her:
>
> Hi <PATIENT NAME>.
> How are you with your <MEMORY ERROR> cocktail ? Ooh sorry to hear.
>
> Well maybe we can add <RANDOM MED in Database> at <RANDOM DOSE X mg: Where X is 1/3 times wrong and/or Dangerous IF year PATIENT/KILLED Ratio not yet reached>.
>
> Are you OK with that Marty OR ...?
> <OK>
> <ELSE AT WILL>
> <ALREADY TAKING IT>
> <NO THANKS, NOT CURRENTLY SUICIDAL>
> <UH? NOT EVEN AVAILABLE IN CANADA>
> Answer: _______
>
> Thank you <VICTIM NAME>.
> Please put a "I agree" check in the box beneath the "LEGAL DISCHARGE" text.
>
> PRINTING BLOTTERS ... <ERROR!!!>
> Please switch your R/G/B ink cartridge with your Serotonin/Dopamine/Norepinephrine pharmaceutical cartridge so we can apply the "trillion money making, moronic and brain damaging cathecolamines deficiency theory" ...
>
>
> God, I wish there would have a lot of pdoc reading this post so I could imagine most of them being sure about being the Pdoc described above ... seeking their patients folders looking for a "MARTY, X".
>
>
> Marty
>
>LOL..you're crazy dude, aint it fun to laugh at our problems/docs, etc.? Beats the hell out of being too serious! :)
Tyler
Posted by MARTY on April 9, 2006, at 20:51:42
In reply to Re: What do you take for insomnia? » MARTY, posted by TylerJ on April 9, 2006, at 18:12:11
> LOL..you're crazy dude
That's what my Pdoc says, so we can't be sure.> aint it fun to laugh at our problems/docs, etc.?
yeah, replace the orgasms I can't get 'cause of my pdoc meds. ;)> Beats the hell out of being too serious! :)
Yep, it's often fun to mix serious matter and the laughs that is deserve..Marty
Posted by TylerJ on April 9, 2006, at 21:33:39
In reply to Re: What do you take for insomnia? » TylerJ, posted by MARTY on April 9, 2006, at 20:51:42
> > LOL..you're crazy dude
> That's what my Pdoc says, so we can't be sure.
>
> > aint it fun to laugh at our problems/docs, etc.?
> yeah, replace the orgasms I can't get 'cause of my pdoc meds. ;)
>
> > Beats the hell out of being too serious! :)
> Yep, it's often fun to mix serious matter and the laughs that is deserve..
>
> Marty
>
>Hey Marty, If you don't mind saying, how long has it been since you a, well, you know...spilled your load? I went 3 months when I was on Nardil, and 2 wks after(EXPLODE) FINALLY....I flooded the basement. :) So if you're going to get on the "Big P" you had better get out your wadding boots! LOL
Oh Yes, the Joy of Sex, :)
Tyler
Posted by MARTY on April 9, 2006, at 22:41:53
In reply to Re: What do you take for insomnia? » MARTY, posted by TylerJ on April 9, 2006, at 21:33:39
> Hey Marty, If you don't mind saying, how long has it been since you a, well, you know...spilled your load?
Actually not very long ago. After 2 hours of video.yahoo.com and google images I finally came for the first time in months. The event happen in my bathroom and I hadn't been warned by my brain at all.. so the floor received my load; the biggest load of my life.. It would have put Ron Jeremy to shame. 2 floor tiles (5 inch by 5 each) full of the weirdest cum I have ever produce; my guess is that the quantity and 'quality' (lol) of my semen wasn't related to how long I hadn't came but more to some 'meds' factors (Nardil? Lyrica?)
btw, no fun at all.. I didn't have any feeling. Not even the physical feeling of something being ejected from my WANG (sorry Ed LOL)
> I went 3 months when I was on Nardil, and 2 wks after(EXPLODE) FINALLY....I flooded the basement. :) So if you're going to get on the "Big P" you had better get out your wadding boots! LOLAhahah Can't wait to cover 5 x 5 x 2 inches squares of other thing than my bathroom floor..
Dude, I just explained what is the possible sexual life on Parnate and she's asked me to tell you that she is waiting for "Big P" since a long time.. MY "BIG P" that is .. LOL
> Oh Yes, the Joy of Sex, :)Yes, this is when I know there is a god somewhere.
But then AD came into my life and I doubt there is a god; how could there be a god in a world where when you are depressed we prescribe you sexual abstination/insatisfaction ?!
Oh did I told you that when I was on Paxil I've got 20 months without any spills ? after stoping Paxil, 1 month later I've finally been able to cum .. I swear on everything: some tears came out of my eyes. (and those was the first in 5 years on AD.. but thats another 'crazy meds story')
Marty to his Girlfriend:
"On you knees b*by, here comes my "BIG P" **is !"Marty
Posted by tizza on April 10, 2006, at 7:15:50
In reply to Re: What do you take for insomnia? » tizza, posted by ed_uk on April 9, 2006, at 12:44:26
> Same in the UK RE melatonin. A lot of medical things seem the same in Australia and the UK. I think our 'authorities' have been conferring again.
>
> Ed xed I think you are right yet again :P
Posted by TylerJ on April 10, 2006, at 18:07:35
In reply to Re: What do you take for insomnia? » TylerJ, posted by MARTY on April 9, 2006, at 22:41:53
> > Hey Marty, If you don't mind saying, how long has it been since you a, well, you know...spilled your load?
>
> Actually not very long ago. After 2 hours of video.yahoo.com and google images I finally came for the first time in months. The event happen in my bathroom and I hadn't been warned by my brain at all.. so the floor received my load; the biggest load of my life.. It would have put Ron Jeremy to shame. 2 floor tiles (5 inch by 5 each) full of the weirdest cum I have ever produce; my guess is that the quantity and 'quality' (lol) of my semen wasn't related to how long I hadn't came but more to some 'meds' factors (Nardil? Lyrica?)
>
> btw, no fun at all.. I didn't have any feeling. Not even the physical feeling of something being ejected from my WANG (sorry Ed LOL)
>
>
> > I went 3 months when I was on Nardil, and 2 wks after(EXPLODE) FINALLY....I flooded the basement. :) So if you're going to get on the "Big P" you had better get out your wadding boots! LOL
>
> Ahahah Can't wait to cover 5 x 5 x 2 inches squares of other thing than my bathroom floor..
> Dude, I just explained what is the possible sexual life on Parnate and she's asked me to tell you that she is waiting for "Big P" since a long time.. MY "BIG P" that is .. LOL
>
>
> > Oh Yes, the Joy of Sex, :)
>
> Yes, this is when I know there is a god somewhere.
>
> But then AD came into my life and I doubt there is a god; how could there be a god in a world where when you are depressed we prescribe you sexual abstination/insatisfaction ?!
>
> Oh did I told you that when I was on Paxil I've got 20 months without any spills ? after stoping Paxil, 1 month later I've finally been able to cum .. I swear on everything: some tears came out of my eyes. (and those was the first in 5 years on AD.. but thats another 'crazy meds story')
>
> Marty to his Girlfriend:
> "On you knees b*by, here comes my "BIG P" **is !"
>
> Marty
>Marty, Marty, Marty, way too much info my friend. :) When I read your post i got the dry heeves...thought i was gunna puke on my computor..LOL
Seriously though, Parnate usually doesn't cause sexual side effects. My sex life is absolutely unaffected by parnate, if anything my libido is increased. My poor little wife is one "busy Beaver" pun intended. But she never complains, walks a little funny, but never complains. Here's to a renewed sex life with Parnate Power!!Tyler :)
Posted by MARTY on April 10, 2006, at 19:04:05
In reply to Re: What do you take for insomnia? » MARTY, posted by TylerJ on April 10, 2006, at 18:07:35
> Marty, Marty, Marty, way too much info my friend. :) When I read your post i got the dry heeves...thought i was gunna puke on my computor..LOL
Ahahah Sorry buddy. Post that while trying to take 4 x 15mg of Nardil at once.. one of the effect was inhibition as I can see by re-reading my post lol never again
> Seriously though, Parnate usually doesn't cause sexual side effects. My sex life is absolutely unaffected by parnate, if anything my libido is increased. My poor little wife is one "busy Beaver" pun intended. But she never complains, walks a little funny, but never complains. Here's to a renewed sex life with Parnate Power!!
Ahah I already converted my friend, no need to oversale :P I'll start my withdrawal of Nardil next Friday.. and to be honest I'm a little afraid of the hard time I think I will have with this withdrawal...How was yours when you stop Nardil ? and BTW, what are the side-effects you got on Parnate ? can you compare your experience on Nardil and Parnate (beyond the sexual aspect) ?
I dont think a thread "Nardil VS Parnate" would interest many people .. I'm sure I would not be the first to start a thread with this subject LOL but, well.. people here a so MAOI freaks.. maybe they already are ready for another round :P
BTW, what are you doing for a living ? age ? place etc ? Social Security Number ?
Marty
Posted by yxibow on April 11, 2006, at 1:46:59
In reply to Re: What do you take for insomnia? » TylerJ, posted by MARTY on April 10, 2006, at 19:04:05
Its TMI, but humour should be really welcome here.
And, frankly, as a male, if you excercise your pleasure enough times, you just might go to sleep :) I don't know about female self-pleasurizing. May have more to due with male hormones.
Cheers and well.. fun times.
*laugh*
Jay
Posted by TylerJ on April 11, 2006, at 6:41:44
In reply to Re: What do you take for insomnia? » TylerJ, posted by MARTY on April 10, 2006, at 19:04:05
>
>
> > Marty, Marty, Marty, way too much info my friend. :) When I read your post i got the dry heeves...thought i was gunna puke on my computor..LOL
>
> Ahahah Sorry buddy. Post that while trying to take 4 x 15mg of Nardil at once.. one of the effect was inhibition as I can see by re-reading my post lol never again
>
> > Seriously though, Parnate usually doesn't cause sexual side effects. My sex life is absolutely unaffected by parnate, if anything my libido is increased. My poor little wife is one "busy Beaver" pun intended. But she never complains, walks a little funny, but never complains. Here's to a renewed sex life with Parnate Power!!
>
> Ahah I already converted my friend, no need to oversale :P I'll start my withdrawal of Nardil next Friday.. and to be honest I'm a little afraid of the hard time I think I will have with this withdrawal...
>
> How was yours when you stop Nardil ? and BTW, what are the side-effects you got on Parnate ? can you compare your experience on Nardil and Parnate (beyond the sexual aspect) ?
>
> I dont think a thread "Nardil VS Parnate" would interest many people .. I'm sure I would not be the first to start a thread with this subject LOL but, well.. people here a so MAOI freaks.. maybe they already are ready for another round :P
>
> BTW, what are you doing for a living ? age ? place etc ? Social Security Number ?
>
> MartyHey Marty,
I'm 47 years old and I am a professional Vaginal Manecurist. My wife and I opened our shop "Beautiful Beavers" in 1998..LOL!!
Truthfully, My Wife, 2 Children (Both boys), and I live in Washington State, about 200 miles east of Seattle. I'm currently a "stay at home dad", before that I was a Manager/Trainer for a large Jewelry company in the pacific n.w. My social security number is 008-37-5309, and my visa card number is 3346 32290 3388 99..exp. 10/2011. Hmmm...what else do you need? :)
Tell me about you, age,ssi etc.Later, Tyler
P.S. I'll get you my MX number Later. :)
Posted by TylerJ on April 11, 2006, at 6:55:03
In reply to Re: What do you take for insomnia? » TylerJ, posted by MARTY on April 10, 2006, at 19:04:05
>
>
> > Marty, Marty, Marty, way too much info my friend. :) When I read your post i got the dry heeves...thought i was gunna puke on my computor..LOL
>
> Ahahah Sorry buddy. Post that while trying to take 4 x 15mg of Nardil at once.. one of the effect was inhibition as I can see by re-reading my post lol never again
>
> > Seriously though, Parnate usually doesn't cause sexual side effects. My sex life is absolutely unaffected by parnate, if anything my libido is increased. My poor little wife is one "busy Beaver" pun intended. But she never complains, walks a little funny, but never complains. Here's to a renewed sex life with Parnate Power!!
>
> Ahah I already converted my friend, no need to oversale :P I'll start my withdrawal of Nardil next Friday.. and to be honest I'm a little afraid of the hard time I think I will have with this withdrawal...
>
> How was yours when you stop Nardil ? and BTW, what are the side-effects you got on Parnate ? can you compare your experience on Nardil and Parnate (beyond the sexual aspect) ?
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> I dont think a thread "Nardil VS Parnate" would interest many people .. I'm sure I would not be the first to start a thread with this subject LOL but, well.. people here a so MAOI freaks.. maybe they already are ready for another round :P
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> BTW, what are you doing for a living ? age ? place etc ? Social Security Number ?
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> MartyMarty,
I'm sorry, forgot to answer your questions about nardil. Going off nardil for me was a piece of cake...but i was only on it for 3 mos. Just go slow..that's the key. Nardil made me feel better-relieved my depression, but not near as well as Parnate has. I had a load of strange side-effects with nardil...nite jerks, tinnitus (Loud), couldn't get it up, and severe insomnia...and then i was tired all day long. Wasn't a good drug for me.
Parnate's notorious for insomnia...so you want to get on something right away with it, some take ambien, lunesta, i take trazodone-it works great for me. The other s.e. some people get and i've experienced some is a little daytime fatigue..but, it's not that bad. Check out my post below Parnate side effects...fighting back! Take care bud, and i'll definitely help you as much as i can with your parnate adventure.Tyler L. James
CEO Parnate Sales Inc. (oops, that's supposed to be private information) :)
Posted by TylerJ on April 11, 2006, at 7:00:49
In reply to Re: What do you take for insomnia?, posted by yxibow on April 11, 2006, at 1:46:59
> Its TMI, but humour should be really welcome here.
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> And, frankly, as a male, if you excercise your pleasure enough times, you just might go to sleep :) I don't know about female self-pleasurizing. May have more to due with male hormones.
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> Cheers and well.. fun times.
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> *laugh*
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> JayGreat for insomnia...spankin' the Monkey!! I'll have to tell my wife that next time she catches me..."Well honey, I was just trying to improve the quality of my sleep." LOL
Tyler
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