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Posted by TylerJ on February 26, 2006, at 10:36:00
Wow, last night was my fourth good night sleep in a row! I never slept like this last time I was on Parnate-but i wasn't taking Trazodone either. Anyway, it's working for me now that my pdoc uped the dose. I also take 2 benedryl right before bed as well. I purposely quit caffiene also,maybe have 1 diet pepsi a day is all. Also I don't take any "energising" vits after 12:00 noon, but I do take some minerals that are supposed to relax you, at dinner time. I Take a high potency Multi-mineral, Magnesium Glycinate, Chromiun, calcium/magnesium in a 2-1 ratio, and omega 3 fish oil 1000mgs, all at at dinner. Take my multi-vit, and B vits,more fish oil,w/ breakfast.
Dreams are good also, I can feel my new confidence and over-all NEW positive attitude in my dreams. They used too be all about anxiety ,insecurities etc. Last night I met Angelina Jolie in a dream LOL...Unfortunatly all we did was talk, but She looked so beautiful, and i was comfortable and confident around her. 2 1/2 weeks ago i would have been very uncomfortable around her even in a dream.
Please, don't think i'm bragging just because i'm finally happy after 9 yrs of hell. I'm hopeing people get encouragement from my e-mails,there is help out there for everyone-EVEN ME! 9 years ago i was in the hosp. for 2 1/2 mos. getting 24 ECT treatments! Best wishes to all.Ty
Posted by ed_uk on February 26, 2006, at 11:27:03
In reply to Sleep and Dreams on Parnate/Traz, posted by TylerJ on February 26, 2006, at 10:36:00
Hi Tyler
Did you try taking the traz earlier in the evening?
Ed
PS. Glad you're feeling so much better :)
Posted by TylerJ on February 26, 2006, at 11:41:14
In reply to Re: Sleep and Dreams on Parnate/Traz » TylerJ, posted by ed_uk on February 26, 2006, at 11:27:03
> Hi Tyler
>
> Did you try taking the traz earlier in the evening?
>
> Ed
>
> PS. Glad you're feeling so much better :)Yea Ed, I did, and then I took the Benadryl right before going to bed. The benadryl is supposed to help you GET to sleep, and the Traz is supposed to KEEP you asleep. Thanks for caring Ed, and I hope you are doing well also. Are you feeling good? What are you taking and for what if you don't mind?
Ty
Posted by blueberry on February 26, 2006, at 12:23:39
In reply to Sleep and Dreams on Parnate/Traz, posted by TylerJ on February 26, 2006, at 10:36:00
Hey Ty, I see you have the insomnia side effect managed pretty good right now, but I was wondering what other side effects you have...sexual? eating? tiredness? restlessness? anything?
I guess when you are feeling as well as you are side effects aren't as big of a deal as when things aren't working out very well. But I am just curious about parnate side effects in general.
Posted by ed_uk on February 26, 2006, at 13:13:54
In reply to Re: Sleep and Dreams on Parnate/Traz » ed_uk, posted by TylerJ on February 26, 2006, at 11:41:14
Hi Tyler
>Yea Ed, I did
Did it make any difference?
>Are you feeling good?
Yes, I'm not too bad at all :)
>What are you taking and for what if you don't mind?
I take citalopram 80mg for anxiety.
Regards
Ed
Posted by TylerJ on February 26, 2006, at 13:59:52
In reply to Re: Sleep and Dreams on Parnate/Traz » TylerJ, posted by blueberry on February 26, 2006, at 12:23:39
> Hey Ty, I see you have the insomnia side effect managed pretty good right now, but I was wondering what other side effects you have...sexual? eating? tiredness? restlessness? anything?
>
> I guess when you are feeling as well as you are side effects aren't as big of a deal as when things aren't working out very well. But I am just curious about parnate side effects in general.
Hey blue,
The only side effects right now: delayed orgasm(no big deal), reduced appetite, I need to lose 25 lbs so this is great and it's definitely not dangerously reduced. No fatigue...just feel relaxed. Um...that's all, none that i'm even concerned about. I feel GROOVY! :)
I have another post above for you under ATTENTION TYLER, would greatly appreciate your opinion on my questions about B vits. Take care and hope you are doing well.Ty
Posted by tessellated on February 26, 2006, at 14:57:10
In reply to Re: Sleep and Dreams on Parnate/Traz » blueberry, posted by TylerJ on February 26, 2006, at 13:59:52
Ty,
I wonder as to trazadone's influence on REM/dreaming with Parnate.
As the MAOI's are potent inhibitors of REM.Curiously, I've found depressed states to often correlate to excessive (all night long ruminating) dreams.
Parnate REM inhibition, I think, contributed to greater delta wave (slow wave) sleep, that I found supremely restfull. Dreaming is a pretty active mental state....
Posted by TylerJ on February 26, 2006, at 15:54:30
In reply to Re: Sleep and Dreams on Parnate/Traz, posted by tessellated on February 26, 2006, at 14:57:10
You know, that's interesting because before I started Traz I wasn't dreaming, now definitely every night and feel well rested in the morning.
TyP.S. I took your advice on exercise, just rode my stationary recumbent schwinn air-dyne for 30 mins. 7.3 mis. and burned 210 cals. I took it easy, put on some good rock and enjoyed the hell out of it!
Posted by tessellated on February 26, 2006, at 16:55:22
In reply to Re: Sleep and Dreams on Parnate/Traz » tessellated, posted by TylerJ on February 26, 2006, at 15:54:30
ty,
you're getting me increasing jealous...
:)
Posted by TylerJ on February 26, 2006, at 17:38:58
In reply to Re: Sleep and Dreams on Parnate/Traz » TylerJ, posted by tessellated on February 26, 2006, at 16:55:22
> ty,
> you're getting me increasing jealous...
> :)Sorry...LOL
Posted by tepiaca on February 26, 2006, at 18:46:41
In reply to Sleep and Dreams on Parnate/Traz, posted by TylerJ on February 26, 2006, at 10:36:00
> Wow, last night was my fourth good night sleep in a row! I never slept like this last time I was on Parnate-but i wasn't taking Trazodone either. Anyway, it's working for me now that my pdoc uped the dose. I also take 2 benedryl right before bed as well. I purposely quit caffiene also,maybe have 1 diet pepsi a day is all. Also I don't take any "energising" vits after 12:00 noon, but I do take some minerals that are supposed to relax you, at dinner time. I Take a high potency Multi-mineral, Magnesium Glycinate, Chromiun, calcium/magnesium in a 2-1 ratio, and omega 3 fish oil 1000mgs, all at at dinner. Take my multi-vit, and B vits,more fish oil,w/ breakfast.
>
> Dreams are good also, I can feel my new confidence and over-all NEW positive attitude in my dreams. They used too be all about anxiety ,insecurities etc. Last night I met Angelina Jolie in a dream LOL...Unfortunatly all we did was talk, but She looked so beautiful, and i was comfortable and confident around her. 2 1/2 weeks ago i would have been very uncomfortable around her even in a dream.
> Please, don't think i'm bragging just because i'm finally happy after 9 yrs of hell. I'm hopeing people get encouragement from my e-mails,there is help out there for everyone-EVEN ME! 9 years ago i was in the hosp. for 2 1/2 mos. getting 24 ECT treatments! Best wishes to all.
>
> Ty
Dear tyler during the last 9 years I have been dreaming with making a post like yours here at psychobable. Its good to hear stories like yours.
Im happy you have found something that really help. Life with a mental illnes can be so devastating and frustrating. it could be the perfect punishment for a serial killer.
Did you tried Parnate in the past???Tep
Posted by TylerJ on February 26, 2006, at 19:20:36
In reply to Re: Sleep and Dreams on Parnate/Traz » TylerJ, posted by tepiaca on February 26, 2006, at 18:46:41
Don't give up, I've had horrible times in the past also-including 2 1/2 months in the hosp. where I got 24 ECT (electric shock treaments) didn't help me much but they work great for many people. I've been bed ridden months at a time for more times than i can remember. I've suffered terribly with severe treatment resistant depression, ocd, anxiety, and social phobia-I wanted to die more times than i care to remember, i have contemplated suicide 100's of times (Thank God I didn't carry through on this) Tep, I'm just now feeling good after many,many years of a terribly miserable life...so don't give up-hopefully you will soon find the magic bullet for you too. I also know that this may not last for me...but i'm not going to worry about that, just going to enjoy each good day that i have.
Tep, I know this is a horrible, terrible disease, and i hate it w/ a passion. sometimes when things are bad i feel i'm being punished for something...i don't know what. All i know is please don't give up hope ( easier said than done i know ) but if a long time sufferer like me can be helped, you can also!!! Please take care my friend and let me know how you're doing.Wishing you the Best,
TyP.S. Yes, to answer your question i was on parnate 9 years ago and it worked well ( not as well as this time tho) until it pooped-out after 2 1/2 months. But this time we're doing things a lot differently, examples- i went off caffiene, taking plenty of vits/mins, and useing a good sleep agent ( last time i hardly slept at all) also staying at a lower dose-60 mgs a day.
Posted by Phillipa on February 26, 2006, at 20:40:48
In reply to Re: Sleep and Dreams on Parnate/Traz » tepiaca, posted by TylerJ on February 26, 2006, at 19:20:36
I don't know what to say looks lately like this should be an MAOI board. Fondly, Phillipa
Posted by TylerJ on February 27, 2006, at 8:17:43
In reply to Re: Sleep and Dreams on Parnate/Traz, posted by Phillipa on February 26, 2006, at 20:40:48
> I don't know what to say looks lately like this should be an MAOI board. Fondly, Phillipa
You know an MAOI board wouldn't be a bad idea, also have other "Specialty Boards" i.e., ssri,tca's and others.
How are you doing Phillipa? Hope you're doing well. Have a nice day. :)Ty
Posted by JaclinHyde on February 27, 2006, at 9:29:59
In reply to Re: Sleep and Dreams on Parnate/Traz » Phillipa, posted by TylerJ on February 27, 2006, at 8:17:43
First and foremost...Tep, never ever give up hope. I have taken EVERY drug out there and I mean that. But like my doctor told me "your problem isn't serotonin and it really isn't norepinephrine...it's dopamine." So many people out there struggling to get well on the SSRI med-go-round when they don't touch the problem at all. The MAOI's are the drugs of last resort but with a 99% success rate how can anyone argue ;-) You'll get well tep, just try to be gentle and patient with yourself. Your day will come too and in the mean time we are here to listen and help :-)
I 100% agree on the MAOI board. I think it would be very busy, lol! Tyer, on that dream thing....it's funny how the MAOI's reduce REM sleep but the trazadone pushes it to the limit. Trazadone used to give me the most vivid dreams; I mean I WAS THERE (whereever 'there' might be at the time.) I really felt that sleepwalking was the next step, so to speak :-) But now the combination makes dreaming just what it should be. Glad you are doing so well too. And don't think that 'it might not last' because these drugs are cures not just bandages :-) The high ride may even out but that is how 'normal' (what the hell is that anyway, lol) live.
JH
Posted by tessellated on February 27, 2006, at 13:06:53
In reply to Tep~sleep~Tyler~MAOI board etc., posted by JaclinHyde on February 27, 2006, at 9:29:59
MAOI board-heck yeah!
I think this material is usefull to share with docs even.
It's free research material.
The more clear it is to sift through the better eh?I'm only on trazadone right now, only AD on hand....
Last night I was the Head of the FBI for about 4 hours...
Following day groggyness is lame, but shakable.
Posted by JaclinHyde on February 28, 2006, at 5:15:01
In reply to Re: Tep~sleep~Tyler~MAOI board etc., posted by tessellated on February 27, 2006, at 13:06:53
> MAOI board-heck yeah!
> I think this material is usefull to share with docs even.
> It's free research material.
> The more clear it is to sift through the better eh?
>
> I'm only on trazadone right now, only AD on hand....
> Last night I was the Head of the FBI for about 4 hours...
> Following day groggyness is lame, but shakable.Head of the FBI huh? Hey, can you get me into some sort of witness protection program? You see I am in debt up to here (points to all the dead space inside her cranium) and really need to 'get lost'
Now no one be a wise *ss and tell me to get lost ;-)
JH
JH
Posted by cecilia on February 28, 2006, at 21:29:14
In reply to Tep~sleep~Tyler~MAOI board etc., posted by JaclinHyde on February 27, 2006, at 9:29:59
99% success rate?!!!!! Believe me, if that were true there would be no need for Psychobabble! From what I've read the success rate is about the same for MAO's as for other AD's, though since people don't usually try them until after they've failed other AD's, the success rate on AD naive patients might be slightly higher. All I know for sure is that I"ve tried all 3 with no benefit whatsoever. Cecilia
Posted by cecilia on February 28, 2006, at 21:52:48
In reply to Tep~sleep~Tyler~MAOI board etc., posted by JaclinHyde on February 27, 2006, at 9:29:59
According to the 2 studies done to get Marplan back on the U.S. market after it was taken off (www.oxfordpharm.com/Healthcare.htm) Marplan success rates were as follows: 1st study: 86.7% had 50% improvement rate with 35.7 of the placebo group improving meaning 51% had 50% improvement. 2nd study: 60.9%had 50% improvement with 19% of the placebo group showing 50% improvement so 41.9% showed 50% improvement. In other words, after subtracting the placebo improvers 42 to 51% showed 50% improvement,( and 50% improvement doesn't exactly mean you're jumping with joy.) Cecilia
Posted by Chairman_MAO on March 2, 2006, at 23:22:56
In reply to Success Rate of MAOI's, posted by cecilia on February 28, 2006, at 21:52:48
What was the max dose in those studies? The max dose for Marplan should be no less than 80mg--earlier data sheets were incorrect. Some people take up to around 135.
Posted by Chairman_MAO on March 2, 2006, at 23:39:33
In reply to Re: Tep~sleep~Tyler~MAOI board etc., posted by cecilia on February 28, 2006, at 21:29:14
How high did you go with Parnate? It is not a failure until you get to 150-200mg/day or cannot tolerate it. With phenelzine, if you did not do 1mg/kg for 6-8 weeks, you didn't get a good impression. Sometimes people are underdosed because the monographs are outdated.
Posted by cecilia on March 4, 2006, at 1:58:49
In reply to Re: Tep~sleep~Tyler~MAOI board etc. » cecilia, posted by Chairman_MAO on March 2, 2006, at 23:39:33
125 mg of Marplan? 200 mg of Parnate? Who on earth could possibly tolerate that kind of dose?!! Cecilia
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