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Posted by lynn970 on October 10, 2005, at 16:13:02
The last few days I have been so energetic. I have been in a wonderful mood. I have cleaned out the closests, made a new bulleton board, and prepared awsome lessons for class.
I did not sleep well the last 2 nights. I am now so tired, not in a hurry to grade the papers that came from the "awsome" lesson.
I am on lexapro and a thyroid med.
Posted by Paulbwell on October 10, 2005, at 16:18:49
In reply to Does this have something to do with meds?, posted by lynn970 on October 10, 2005, at 16:13:02
> The last few days I have been so energetic. I have been in a wonderful mood. I have cleaned out the closests, made a new bulleton board, and prepared awsome lessons for class.
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> I did not sleep well the last 2 nights. I am now so tired, not in a hurry to grade the papers that came from the "awsome" lesson.
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> I am on lexapro and a thyroid med.You are unwell, go see a PsyDoc, ok?
Posted by blueberry on October 10, 2005, at 17:49:43
In reply to Does this have something to do with meds?, posted by lynn970 on October 10, 2005, at 16:13:02
Hard to say over the internet, but what you describe sounds like hypomania followed by a hypocrash. Bipolar cycling possibly. It would be wise to talk to the doctor. The hypomania itself is not bad, as you noticed. It can be enjoyable. But what is bad is what follows it, the let down. And over time, these swings tend to get more extreme. And the hypomanias turn into beasts that are not so enjoyable. And the antidepressant won't seem to protect you from the downside as it once did. Best to talk to the doc about what you experienced. There are mood stabilizers that can even things out in low or medium doses that are easy to handle.
Posted by Sonya on October 10, 2005, at 18:26:33
In reply to Does this have something to do with meds?, posted by lynn970 on October 10, 2005, at 16:13:02
Lexapro, as all other SSRI's, caused hypomania with me and if I was on an SSRI long enough, it caused rapid cycling (extremely unpleasant). I was diagnosed Bipolar II but I'm convinced the SSRI's caused it. I was 50 when they diagnosed me, and I never had the problem before. Now my pdoc won't prescribe any AD without a mood stabilizer.
You really should talk to your dr about this. Maybe SSRI's are not for you.
> The last few days I have been so energetic. I have been in a wonderful mood. I have cleaned out the closests, made a new bulleton board, and prepared awsome lessons for class.
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> I did not sleep well the last 2 nights. I am now so tired, not in a hurry to grade the papers that came from the "awsome" lesson.
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> I am on lexapro and a thyroid med.
Posted by Glydin on October 10, 2005, at 19:41:41
In reply to Re: Does this have something to do with meds? » lynn970, posted by Sonya on October 10, 2005, at 18:26:33
If you are BP, you may be having an "episode". Check with your doc. You may also need to have your thyroid levels checked again to assure your aren't in a hyperthyroid state.
Too bad feeling that good probably isn't really a good thing... sigh!!
Posted by Phillipa on October 10, 2005, at 19:44:45
In reply to Re: Does this have something to do with meds?, posted by Glydin on October 10, 2005, at 19:41:41
Lynn, what is your official dx and I agree with all the above posts. Fondly, Phillipa
Posted by lynn970 on October 10, 2005, at 21:15:45
In reply to Re: Does this have something to do with meds?, posted by Phillipa on October 10, 2005, at 19:44:45
It could be that my thyroid levels are now normal and the meds are throwing me into hyperthyroidism.
However the situation that I posted above have happened to me so many times in the past. I will see my pdoc for the first time November 21st. I have been diagnosed with depression/anxiety. When I went into a hopistal for a weekend, the pdoc said that I had general anxiety disorder.
What exactly is bipolar? Are SSRI's used for bipolar?
Posted by Glydin on October 10, 2005, at 21:31:58
In reply to Re: Does this have something to do with meds?, posted by lynn970 on October 10, 2005, at 21:15:45
I can't really tell you what it feels like to be bipolar since I'm unipolar depression with an anxiety disorder.
The older term for it was manic depressive disorder - which is a bit of a slight misnomer, but it entails moods that swing from one extreme to the other - depression (sometimes VERY deep) to a euphoric, (sometimes VERY high) "I feel terrific" mood. There is cycling of the two extremes. That being said, there is hypomania which is not as severe a "high" on the manic scale.
Mood stablizers are part of the medical treatment. I don't think SSRI's in particular used alone turn out to be a very good treatment for a number of folks and can make things worse.
Again, I have no personal experience. There are alot of folks here who could give you better insight.
I think your first move would be to get with your doc, discuss what's going on and get the thyroid levels done.
Posted by lynn970 on October 10, 2005, at 21:53:29
In reply to Re: Does this have something to do with meds? » lynn970, posted by Glydin on October 10, 2005, at 21:31:58
I went to the doctor Friday, my thyroid levels indicate hyperthyroid. Because I previously had two cysts on the thyroid he wants to keep me on the meds for 3 more months. If the hypomania continues, maybe I can call him, as I dont see my pdoc untill November. Thanks for the help. I really appreciate it.
Posted by Glydin on October 10, 2005, at 23:21:10
In reply to Re: Does this have something to do with meds?, posted by lynn970 on October 10, 2005, at 21:53:29
Is your doc keeping you hyperthyroid or are you adjusting your thyroid meds to get your to levels within normal limits? I'm just curious.
Hyperthyroid has "spun up" symptoms that may be lending to what you've been experiencing.
Posted by 4wd on October 10, 2005, at 23:44:31
In reply to Re: Does this have something to do with meds? » lynn970, posted by Sonya on October 10, 2005, at 18:26:33
> Lexapro, as all other SSRI's, caused hypomania with me and if I was on an SSRI long enough, it caused rapid cycling (extremely unpleasant).
Can you tell me what rapid cycling is like? I am wondering if that is what is happening to me.thanks,
marsha
Posted by UgottaHaveHope on October 11, 2005, at 0:19:52
In reply to Does this have something to do with meds?, posted by lynn970 on October 10, 2005, at 16:13:02
... normal ups and downs of life. we all have them. one minute up, next minute down. however, if you are down for an extended period of time, then go talk to your pdoc about it.
Posted by Sonya on October 12, 2005, at 14:51:12
In reply to Re: Does this have something to do with meds? » Sonya, posted by 4wd on October 10, 2005, at 23:44:31
Hi, Marsha -
I'll explain rapid cycling as I understand it from my own personal experience. During the course of a single day I would start off in the morning extremely anxious to the point that I was scared of everything and felt I couldn't even sit at my desk at work. Then by mid-afternoon I would be extremely depressed. In the evenings I would get anxious again. Sometimes I felt I was a combination of both. So my moods were beyond *unstable*. My therapist and pdoc at those times had me keep a daily rating scale of my moods with 1 being low and 10 being high anxiety and/or depression. From what I gave them they knew I was rapid cycling and pdoc diagnosed me Bipolar.
If you think you're rapid cycling, tell your pdoc right away. You shouldn't have to live with that any longer. You would probably be rx'd a mood stabilizer (I'm on Depakote 500mg).
Good luck.
> > Lexapro, as all other SSRI's, caused hypomania with me and if I was on an SSRI long enough, it caused rapid cycling (extremely unpleasant).
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> Can you tell me what rapid cycling is like? I am wondering if that is what is happening to me.
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> thanks,
> marsha
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Posted by 4wd on October 12, 2005, at 15:38:39
In reply to Re: Does this have something to do with meds? » 4wd, posted by Sonya on October 12, 2005, at 14:51:12
> Hi, Marsha -
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> I'll explain rapid cycling as I understand it from my own personal experience. During the course of a single day I would start off in the morning extremely anxious to the point that I was scared of everything and felt I couldn't even sit at my desk at work. Then by mid-afternoon I would be extremely depressed. In the evenings I would get anxious again. Sometimes I felt I was a combination of both. So my moods were beyond *unstable*. My therapist and pdoc at those times had me keep a daily rating scale of my moods with 1 being low and 10 being high anxiety and/or depression. From what I gave them they knew I was rapid cycling and pdoc diagnosed me Bipolar.
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> If you think you're rapid cycling, tell your pdoc right away. You shouldn't have to live with that any longer. You would probably be rx'd a mood stabilizer (I'm on Depakote 500mg).
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> Good luck.
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>This does sound sort of like what is happening to me. It started abruptly about a year and a half ago ago when I switched from Effexor to Paxil. I tried twice and it happened both times. Both times I went back to Effexor and was okay again. It happened again when I switched from Effexor to Cymbalta.
Now I'm on Celexa. I have taken Celexa in the past without this happening but now it's the following pattern.
I wake up in the morning a little too early (about an hour or two before I feel like I've had enough sleep.) I wake up kind of scared and then after I get up I get more scared. I take my .25 - .5 mg of Klonopin and after a couple of hours I feel okay. Sometimes the anxiety returns in the late afternoon. I wasn't having spells of depression in the afternoon until I tried switching to Luvox (which didn't work). Anyway, before the med change fiasco, I would normally feel better as the day got later until by 8 or 9 at night I would feel good. No anxiety, no depression. Then next morning, the anxiety is back again.
I'll mention the mood stabilizer to my pdoc when I talk to him next time. I'm thinking the Klonopin may be functioning as a mild mood stabilizer and wearing off by the morning. OTOH, taking an extra dose of Klonopin at bedtime doesn't decrease the morning anxiety at all.
Do you ahve any side effects from the Depakote 500mg?
Marsha
Posted by lynn970 on October 13, 2005, at 16:16:20
In reply to Re: Does this have something to do with meds? » Sonya, posted by 4wd on October 12, 2005, at 15:38:39
You guys were right. I dont want to work. Everything upsets me. I am tired. The people around me make me mad.
I dont see a doctor until November 21st.So what happens. I wait for another high, only to be let down by a low? I hate this. (tears)
Posted by Sonya on October 14, 2005, at 7:44:14
In reply to Re: Does this have something to do with meds? » Sonya, posted by 4wd on October 12, 2005, at 15:38:39
> Do you ahve any side effects from the Depakote 500mg?
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No SE's on only 500mg. But I did have weight gain and some hair loss on 1,000. Also had orthostatic hypertension (dizziness upon rising too quickly). I'm very happy with the 500mg.
Posted by 4wd on October 14, 2005, at 20:59:14
In reply to Re: Does this have something to do with meds? » 4wd, posted by Sonya on October 14, 2005, at 7:44:14
> > Do you ahve any side effects from the Depakote 500mg?
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> No SE's on only 500mg. But I did have weight gain and some hair loss on 1,000. Also had orthostatic hypertension (dizziness upon rising too quickly). I'm very happy with the 500mg.
>What form of BP do you have? I think I am having ultra ultra rapid cycling.
Marsha
Posted by Sonya on October 15, 2005, at 14:05:31
In reply to Re: Does this have something to do with meds? » Sonya, posted by 4wd on October 14, 2005, at 20:59:14
> What form of BP do you have? I think I am having ultra ultra rapid cycling.
My pdoc diagnosed me as "atypical bipolar". The hospital said "Bipolar II or Bipolar not-otherwise-specified". Take your pick. If you're rapid cycling that intensely, you really need to start a mood stabilizer quickly. That type of mood disorder is just awful. Please get help.Take care.
Posted by 4wd on October 15, 2005, at 22:30:36
In reply to Re: Does this have something to do with meds? » 4wd, posted by Sonya on October 15, 2005, at 14:05:31
> > What form of BP do you have? I think I am having ultra ultra rapid cycling.
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> My pdoc diagnosed me as "atypical bipolar". The hospital said "Bipolar II or Bipolar not-otherwise-specified". Take your pick. If you're rapid cycling that intensely, you really need to start a mood stabilizer quickly. That type of mood disorder is just awful. Please get help.
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> Take care.
>Well, "just awful" is exactly how I feel for the first 10 hours of the day. Klonopin really does help tremendously, though. I didn't realize how much it did help until yesterday when I decided not to take it (took Atarax instead to see if it would help). And yesterday was God awful. Of course Klonopin is a kind of mood stabilizer.
You know, when I am feeling like that, I truly feel desperate. Right now I feel okay and calm and almost normal. It's even hard for ME to believe that a few hours ago I was so scared I wanted to jump out the window. I just don't get it.
Thanks,
Marsha
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