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Posted by ButterflyHigh on September 24, 2005, at 20:39:10
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I heard it did, and I tested positive on a drug screen for them - and I do not take any sort of them.
If this is true, is this necessarily a good thing guys? And if true, how in the heck does a methamphetamine - type ingredients get put into an antidepressant - but more importantly why? To give depressed persons a kinda like 'high'?
*pondering this*
Posted by mellymel_d on September 24, 2005, at 21:28:21
In reply to Does Wellbutrin have methamphetamine properties?, posted by ButterflyHigh on September 24, 2005, at 20:39:10
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Well that just gave me an anxiety attack in itself...I'm on wb and I used meth about 12 years ago and would NEVER want to do anything like it again...
Posted by yxibow on September 24, 2005, at 21:33:13
In reply to Does Wellbutrin have methamphetamine properties?, posted by ButterflyHigh on September 24, 2005, at 20:39:10
> I heard it did, and I tested positive on a drug screen for them - and I do not take any sort of them.This is rare, but I don't deny what happened to you.
> If this is true, is this necessarily a good thing guys? And if true, how in the heck does a methamphetamine - type ingredients get put into an antidepressant - but more importantly why? To give depressed persons a kinda like 'high'?
> *pondering this*
Wellbutrin is not itself directly an amphetamine, it is structurally similar to diethylproprion (Tenuate), which is a not currently in favor appetite suppresant. It is similar to cathinone (Khat), which is a ketone amphetamine and used extensively as a street drug in the near and middle east.
As for the effects, it does have stimulant properties; it is a weak inhibitor of dopamine uptake. Its metabolites are perhaps just as important, they are at least if not longer lived than the medication itself.
This is more of a medical description of it; perhaps someone can add to their personal experience. For myself, it eventually became too stimulating and caused obsessive thoughts that made my insomnia even worse. But for others, it has been shown to be effective as both an antidepresant and a smoking cessation agent.
Posted by ButterflyHigh on September 24, 2005, at 21:35:02
In reply to Re: Does Wellbutrin have methamphetamine properties?, posted by mellymel_d on September 24, 2005, at 21:28:21
Posted by ButterflyHigh on September 24, 2005, at 21:38:09
In reply to Re: Does Wellbutrin have methamphetamine propertie, posted by yxibow on September 24, 2005, at 21:33:13
Hi, thanks for posting. When I went off it for a week, my appetite increased and I couldn't sleep. Your post explains it. yay!
It hasn't helped me to quit smoking at all, but I haven't gained weight while taking it since early June. I'm glad I went back on it, it just works!Thanks for such an intelligent post, appreciate it.
Posted by maddy4 on September 25, 2005, at 11:17:23
In reply to Re: Does Wellbutrin have methamphetamine propertie » yxibow, posted by ButterflyHigh on September 24, 2005, at 21:38:09
> Hi, thanks for posting. When I went off it for a week, my appetite increased and I couldn't sleep. Your post explains it. yay!
> It hasn't helped me to quit smoking at all, but I haven't gained weight while taking it since early June. I'm glad I went back on it, it just works!
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> Thanks for such an intelligent post, appreciate it.does it give you anxiety??? - my OB gave it to me to take for panic - but am afraid to take it
Posted by mellymel_d on September 25, 2005, at 15:15:16
In reply to Re: Does Wellbutrin have methamphetamine propertie, posted by maddy4 on September 25, 2005, at 11:17:23
> > Hi, thanks for posting. When I went off it for a week, my appetite increased and I couldn't sleep. Your post explains it. yay!
> > It hasn't helped me to quit smoking at all, but I haven't gained weight while taking it since early June. I'm glad I went back on it, it just works!
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> does it give you anxiety??? - my OB gave it to me to take for panic - but am afraid to take itButterfly,
How long have you been back on it? I'm going on 2 1/2 weeks and I'm still smoking, eating, crying and panicing...Just wondering about your experience....
Posted by Phillipa on September 25, 2005, at 18:45:00
In reply to I'm done throwing things ;-) How long have u been, posted by mellymel_d on September 25, 2005, at 15:15:16
I know wellbutrin made me anxious and made me appear very manic. Ended up in the hospital. But what I don't understand is how it is the AD of choice in Bipolar pts. Fondly, Phillipa
Posted by ButterflyHigh on September 25, 2005, at 20:56:06
In reply to Re: Does Wellbutrin have methamphetamine propertie, posted by maddy4 on September 25, 2005, at 11:17:23
Why are you afraid to take it?
Do you already have high anxiety?Ya know, at first it did give me anxiety, but I was past that anxiety/panic stage, I was living in terror before I started Wellbutrin in early June. Currently, it doesn't whoaaa wait a minute your OB??? LOL sorry - I'm thinking obgyn...
Anyway, overall, WellbutrinSR has done wonders for me at a very low dose at that. I'm not on a high enough dose for it to help me with smoking cessation, although cigarettes do taste somewhat 'different' being on WellbutrinSR.
Posted by ButterflyHigh on September 25, 2005, at 21:00:55
In reply to I'm done throwing things ;-) How long have u been, posted by mellymel_d on September 25, 2005, at 15:15:16
Hey there, I went back on it two days ago and dang lucky and thankful that I did!
It took a good 4 weeks (I kept good track) for WellbutrinSR to "hit me" I still cry on 150mg, but I'm also sober - if you know what I mean. (not using mind altering/feel great chemicals ie; Xanax and Vicodin)
What dosage of the Wellbutrin are you taking?
Are you taking the SR?
Anything else you want to know that may help you concerning my experience, sure, just ask.Hang in there, give it time, imho, it is a superb med.
Posted by ButterflyHigh on September 25, 2005, at 21:04:07
In reply to Re: I'm done throwing things ;-) How long have u been, posted by Phillipa on September 25, 2005, at 18:45:00
> But what I don't understand is how it is the AD of choice in Bipolar pts.
Maybe because someone mentoned above it was not an SSRI, and SSRI's have been talked about over and over again how they do not benefit bipolar patients. Where did you learn that it is the AD of choice in bipolar patients? Just curious :)
SSRI's always seemed to make me manic or flat. The only two AD's that have helped tremendously in my past have been EffexorXR and WellbutrinSR.Go figure.
Posted by mellymel_d on September 25, 2005, at 23:19:14
In reply to Re: I'm done throwing things ;-) How long have u been » mellymel_d, posted by ButterflyHigh on September 25, 2005, at 21:00:55
> Hey there, I went back on it two days ago and dang lucky and thankful that I did!
> It took a good 4 weeks (I kept good track) for WellbutrinSR to "hit me" I still cry on 150mg, but I'm also sober - if you know what I mean. (not using mind altering/feel great chemicals ie; Xanax and Vicodin)
> What dosage of the Wellbutrin are you taking?
> Are you taking the SR?
> Anything else you want to know that may help you concerning my experience, sure, just ask.
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> Hang in there, give it time, imho, it is a superb med.I started out on 150mg for 9 days and I've now been on 300 mgs for 10 days the SR version. I was on generic but I'm switching to name brand tomorrow since I've broke out in a rash ever since I started the generic.
?- u said u were taking vicoden/xanex. Well I take them too. Not abusive but for pain or anxiety as needed. You can see exactly what I'm on at my blog: www.justmelwithxanex.blogspot.com I also explain why there. But I was wondering do these other things seem to change the effects of the wb??? sorry so many questions I'm just so new to the wb that I feel like I know nothing about it and it's very different than the zoloft & lexapro I've used before. Also effexor was a nightmare for me. 3 weeks of hell and I'm scared of losing more time...
Posted by mellymel_d on September 25, 2005, at 23:20:59
In reply to Re: I'm done throwing things ;-) How long have u been, posted by ButterflyHigh on September 25, 2005, at 21:04:07
If you don't mind, may I ask (I guess I already am) what are you using the AD's for?
Posted by ButterflyHigh on September 26, 2005, at 0:19:36
In reply to responses..., posted by mellymel_d on September 25, 2005, at 23:19:14
Sorry to hear about the rash - sounds like something from Lamictal rather than WB. *yikes*
No, I detoxed off of Xanax and Vicodin this summer and work a program to remain clean and sober. You're right though, I *was* taking them. Not currently, and I doubt ever again.
Anyway, imho, yes, I believe that the narcotics and the Xanax anyway, change the effects of psychiatric meds. When I was taking Lexapro - I couldn't take enough of the Vicodin or the Xanax to ever feel the peace I have felt in the last 30+ days, I have a new sense of joy off of them.
Everyone's brain chemistry is different and adjusts accordingly, it would be easier if we knew exactly how every med reacted similarily on every individual - wouldn't it?!
May I ask why the increase - I probably missed it somewheres?
Posted by ButterflyHigh on September 26, 2005, at 0:22:28
In reply to butterfly- whats your dx?, posted by mellymel_d on September 25, 2005, at 23:20:59
I was diagnosed with major recurring depresion since 1995, bipolar off and on, and BPD off and on. Really no clear - cut Dx. In Feb 2004 though, it all turned to major panic dsorder, but I think it had a lot to do with my drug use and I had a third laparoscpy with major work done. Currently, I'm just going with the flow, a lot of my symptoms seem to be in some sort of remission...
HTH
Posted by mellymel_d on September 26, 2005, at 0:41:00
In reply to Re: responses... » mellymel_d, posted by ButterflyHigh on September 26, 2005, at 0:19:36
> Sorry to hear about the rash - sounds like something from Lamictal rather than WB. *yikes*
> No, I detoxed off of Xanax and Vicodin this summer and work a program to remain clean and sober. You're right though, I *was* taking them. Not currently, and I doubt ever again.
> Anyway, imho, yes, I believe that the narcotics and the Xanax anyway, change the effects of psychiatric meds. When I was taking Lexapro - I couldn't take enough of the Vicodin or the Xanax to ever feel the peace I have felt in the last 30+ days, I have a new sense of joy off of them.
> Everyone's brain chemistry is different and adjusts accordingly, it would be easier if we knew exactly how every med reacted similarily on every individual - wouldn't it?!
> May I ask why the increase - I probably missed it somewheres?
>My doc moved me up on the wb because the 150 was not making a difference at all. I was crying all the time. So, my doc decided to go more aggressive plus the fact that I'm still on a low dose of lex (10 mgs) she figured maybe it was needed to move up to 300. She wants to wean me off the lex soon but wanted to get me comfortable on the wb first.
I'm so stressed over all of this. Usually I can notice some sort of change for the better by now but this time I just seem blah.
Posted by maddy4 on September 26, 2005, at 9:53:07
In reply to Re: Does Wellbutrin have methamphetamine propertie » maddy4, posted by ButterflyHigh on September 25, 2005, at 20:56:06
> Why are you afraid to take it?
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> Anyway, overall, WellbutrinSR has done wonders for me at a very low dose at that. I'm not on a high enough dose for it to help me with smoking cessation, although cigarettes do taste somewhat 'different' being on WellbutrinSR.
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>your'e thinking right - my obgyn is who gave it to me - and yes i have anxiety and a few panic attacks....so what do you think? how does WB make you feel overall and what did it do for your anxiety? how long have you been on it? did you have panic attacks before you took it and do you have them now? TIA
Posted by ButterflyHigh on September 26, 2005, at 23:02:37
In reply to Re: Does Wellbutrin have methamphetamine propertie, posted by maddy4 on September 26, 2005, at 9:53:07
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Hi, WB makes me feel ok - lately I have had a really bad sinus problem, but I don't think it's the WB, been on it for a good amount of time. It has helped the anxiety a lot, since in recovery though, I'm feeling every emotion and I mean every one! I had severe panic atacks before, I get them once in a blue moon now like when I have to talk in therapy about an issue. I started it in late May.
Posted by Islomania on February 28, 2006, at 22:47:32
In reply to Does Wellbutrin have methamphetamine properties?, posted by ButterflyHigh on September 24, 2005, at 20:39:10
Wrong. Wrong. Wrong, folks. Quite the opposite of Wellbutrin having any meth-like properties, some preliminary studies have shown that Wellbutrin actually has properties that moderately reduce physiological cravings for both methamphetamine and cocaine (as well as that other stimulant, nicotine, for which Wellbutrin is cross-marketed as Zyban to treat.)
Also, for patients prescribed Wellutrin who also abuse methamphetamine, the Wellbutrin actually reduces the quality or intensity of the high from methamphetamine.
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Posted by tessellated on March 1, 2006, at 11:58:20
In reply to Re: Does Wellbutrin have methamphetamine properties?, posted by Islomania on February 28, 2006, at 22:47:32
No offense islo but you speak with forked tounge.
Wellbutrin has been known to cause a false positive test for amphetamines: google this stuff peeps...it takes 5 secs.
Wellbutrin is thought to effect the reuptake of serotonin, norephinephine, and dopamine.
In ways it is a distant cousine to tenuate the weight loss stim. With a similar though different mechanism, and is much less potent.It's thought to be helpful for nicotine wdrawl and other stims because it mimics some the similar activity (though vastly lower and less abusable) but in a more controlled way.
One can test positive for amphetamines from the metabolism of other substances. The chemical is not in the original pill, your body can turn it into something similar which then a test can pick up in error. Tell your doc and they can retest to filter for wellbutrin. And tests can also be flat wrong.
Using wellbutrin with another stimulant would do a coulple things: one it would likely increase the stimulant properties as it does with coffee, and two it would also increase the probability of having a seizure. Not fun.
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> Wrong. Wrong. Wrong, folks. Quite the opposite of Wellbutrin having any meth-like properties, some preliminary studies have shown that Wellbutrin actually has properties that moderately reduce physiological cravings for both methamphetamine and cocaine (as well as that other stimulant, nicotine, for which Wellbutrin is cross-marketed as Zyban to treat.)
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Posted by Dr. Bob on March 2, 2006, at 1:39:52
In reply to Re: Does Wellbutrin have methamphetamine properties?, posted by tessellated on March 1, 2006, at 11:58:20
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