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Posted by linkadge on August 5, 2005, at 22:02:42
It offered a lot of positives, I noticed feeling much more in my body and less behind a brick wall. My mind shut up, and everything in the room became silent. Its like all the chatter, seemd to stop.
Too bad about that chromosome study I read, otherwise I might consider taking it longer.
Linkadge
Posted by zeugma on August 6, 2005, at 0:06:16
In reply to I tried the ritalin., posted by linkadge on August 5, 2005, at 22:02:42
> It offered a lot of positives, I noticed feeling much more in my body and less behind a brick wall. My mind shut up, and everything in the room became silent. Its like all the chatter, seemd to stop.
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> Too bad about that chromosome study I read, otherwise I might consider taking it longer.
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>What chromosome study?
It's interesting, Ritalin and other stimulants help with my depersonalization, even though DP is generally thought of as an anxiety disorder- and Ritalin makes me anxious as f*ck. But I feel like I'm fully in my body. provigil helps too, and is a milder drug in terms of anxiety (but has plenty of harsh s/e of its own).
AD's do little or nothing for depersonalization.
-z
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Posted by SLS on August 6, 2005, at 6:26:34
In reply to Re: I tried the ritalin., posted by zeugma on August 6, 2005, at 0:06:16
Hi there, Zeugma.
> It's interesting, Ritalin and other stimulants help with my depersonalization, even though DP is generally thought of as an anxiety disorder- and Ritalin makes me anxious as f*ck. But I feel like I'm fully in my body. provigil helps too, and is a milder drug in terms of anxiety (but has plenty of harsh s/e of its own).Many people who find methylphenidate too harsh end up liking Adderall for its smoothness.
- Scott
Posted by linkadge on August 6, 2005, at 15:44:43
In reply to Re: I tried the ritalin. » zeugma, posted by SLS on August 6, 2005, at 6:26:34
I didn't find it harsh at all. SSRI's were much more harsh in my oppinion. Akathesia is harsh as heck. Did't get any of that.
Linkadge
Posted by zeugma on August 6, 2005, at 16:14:09
In reply to Re: I tried the ritalin., posted by linkadge on August 6, 2005, at 15:44:43
> I didn't find it harsh at all. SSRI's were much more harsh in my oppinion. Akathesia is harsh as heck. Did't get any of that.
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> LinkadgeAnti-dopaminergic drugs will cause akathisia in a large number of people. What I'm curious about is whether anyone with depersonalization is helped by SSRI's.
-z
Posted by zeugma on August 6, 2005, at 16:31:20
In reply to Re: I tried the ritalin. » zeugma, posted by SLS on August 6, 2005, at 6:26:34
> Hi there, Zeugma.
Hi, Scott.
> > It's interesting, Ritalin and other stimulants help with my depersonalization, even though DP is generally thought of as an anxiety disorder- and Ritalin makes me anxious as f*ck. But I feel like I'm fully in my body. provigil helps too, and is a milder drug in terms of anxiety (but has plenty of harsh s/e of its own).
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> Many people who find methylphenidate too harsh end up liking Adderall for its smoothness.Yes, I know Adderall/Dexedrine are smoother than ritalin. Ritalin is OK for the short term when I just need a couple of functional hours during the day.
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Posted by ed_uk on August 6, 2005, at 16:51:10
In reply to I tried the ritalin., posted by linkadge on August 5, 2005, at 22:02:42
Hi Link,
>It offered a lot of positives, I noticed feeling much more in my body and less behind a brick wall. My mind shut up, and everything in the room became silent. Its like all the chatter, seemd to stop.
That's pretty cool :-) I think you said you'd tried Ritalin in the past, did it have the same effect last time?
>Too bad about that chromosome study I read, otherwise I might consider taking it longer.
What about dextroamphetamine?
~ed
Posted by linkadge on August 6, 2005, at 17:46:51
In reply to Re: I tried the ritalin. » linkadge, posted by ed_uk on August 6, 2005, at 16:51:10
Yes it had a similar effect in the past. It was surprising that it didn't really cause much anxiety.
I suppose it caused some mild anxiety but it also seemd to shut off some ruminations.
I have not tried any other stimulants, except caffiene.
I too have had depersonalization on the SSRI's. It seems to coincide with akathesia. I have used coffee in the past to help with depersonalization and akathesia.
Linkadge
Posted by bimini on August 7, 2005, at 7:53:00
In reply to Re: I tried the ritalin. » linkadge, posted by zeugma on August 6, 2005, at 16:14:09
>What I'm curious about is whether anyone with depersonalization is helped by SSRI's.
Count me out. I zapped out for 10 - 30 minutes at a time on Effexor.
bimini
Posted by Declan on August 7, 2005, at 16:01:48
In reply to Re: I tried the ritalin., posted by linkadge on August 6, 2005, at 17:46:51
When I was at university the exams took place in this ballroom on the top of a hill that was called Cloudland. Depression architecture to cheer everyone up.
Taking Ritalin for such events is one of my favourite memories.
Early in the morning, bright eyed and bushy tailed.
Declan
Posted by ed_uk on August 7, 2005, at 16:19:49
In reply to Re: I tried the ritalin., posted by Declan on August 7, 2005, at 16:01:48
I just found this.....
http://www.geocities.com/milesago2001/cloudland.htm
~Ed
Posted by Declan on August 7, 2005, at 17:09:15
In reply to Re: I tried the ritalin. » Declan, posted by ed_uk on August 7, 2005, at 16:19:49
Hey Ed
What a surprise and a treat. Our ridiculous and authoritarian premier of the time had it knocked down over great community opposition so as to create some crummy appartments. You might have heard of him, friend of Margaret Thatcher, Joh Bjelke Petersen.
Had it knocked down by some bodgie company, Dean Brothers maybe, whose motto was "All we leave are memories." Did the same to the lovely old Bellevue Hotel.
Declan
Posted by gromit on August 8, 2005, at 17:43:03
In reply to I tried the ritalin., posted by linkadge on August 5, 2005, at 22:02:42
> My mind shut up, and everything in the room became silent. Its like all the chatter, seemd to stop.
That's the main thing it does for me, like I imagine a benzo would effect most people. Very calming.
> Too bad about that chromosome study I read, otherwise I might consider taking it longer.Even the author of that study said he wouldn't take his own kids off ritalin at the moment if it was working well.
Rick
Posted by linkadge on August 8, 2005, at 19:54:05
In reply to Re: I tried the ritalin. » linkadge, posted by gromit on August 8, 2005, at 17:43:03
"Even the author of that study said he wouldn't take his own kids off ritalin at the moment if it was working well."
Hmmm
Linkadge
Posted by paulbwell on August 9, 2005, at 19:42:57
In reply to Re: I tried the ritalin., posted by linkadge on August 8, 2005, at 19:54:05
> "Even the author of that study said he wouldn't take his own kids off ritalin at the moment if it was working well."
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> Hmmm
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> LinkadgeI first tried the methylphenidate (Ritalin) (10mg IR) in Feb 2004-WOW-hello stimulants, started at 10mgs 2x daily-major stimulation to my virgin stim Brain-. Now 1@half years later was given 20mgs 4x day last month=80mgs daily, the effects, as well as my Brain chemistry have changed since feb 04', if Methylphenidate is considered "a mild stimulant"-God help thoes who run out of their supply of stronger Amphetamines-type meds.
Peace
Posted by gromit on August 9, 2005, at 21:54:13
In reply to Re: I tried the ritalin., posted by paulbwell on August 9, 2005, at 19:42:57
> I first tried the methylphenidate (Ritalin) (10mg IR) in Feb 2004-WOW-hello stimulants, started at 10mgs 2x daily-major stimulation to my virgin stim Brain-. Now 1@half years later was given 20mgs 4x day last month=80mgs daily, the effects, as well as my Brain chemistry have changed since feb 04', if Methylphenidate is considered "a mild stimulant"-God help thoes who run out of their supply of stronger Amphetamines-type meds.
I was hoping for stimulating, something with some push to help with motivation/procrastination. It wasn't until I took the ritalin that I realized just how much background stuff is always going on in my brain. The first stimulant I took was methamphetamine and methylphenidate is surely much less potent than that!
Rick
Posted by linkadge on August 10, 2005, at 15:55:27
In reply to Re: I tried the ritalin., posted by paulbwell on August 9, 2005, at 19:42:57
>I first tried the methylphenidate (Ritalin)
>(10mg IR) in Feb 2004-WOW-hello stimulants, >started at 10mgs 2x daily-major stimulation to >my virgin stim Brain-. Now 1@half years later >was given 20mgs 4x day last month=80mgs daily, >the effects, as well as my Brain chemistry have >changed since feb 04', if Methylphenidate is >considered "a mild stimulant"-God help thoes who >run out of their supply of stronger Amphetamines->type meds.Yeah, thats exactly what I am afraid of. Although it really helps me concentrate, and do one thing at a time, I would be afraid of poop out. If I could believe it would work indefintately, then it might be a different consideration.
Linkadge
Posted by Paulbwell on August 10, 2005, at 18:09:18
In reply to Re: I tried the ritalin., posted by linkadge on August 10, 2005, at 15:55:27
> >I first tried the methylphenidate (Ritalin)
> >(10mg IR) in Feb 2004-WOW-hello stimulants, >started at 10mgs 2x daily-major stimulation to >my virgin stim Brain-. Now 1@half years later >was given 20mgs 4x day last month=80mgs daily, >the effects, as well as my Brain chemistry have >changed since feb 04', if Methylphenidate is >considered "a mild stimulant"-God help thoes who >run out of their supply of stronger Amphetamines->type meds.
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> Yeah, thats exactly what I am afraid of. Although it really helps me concentrate, and do one thing at a time, I would be afraid of poop out. If I could believe it would work indefintately, then it might be a different consideration.
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>Hi Ya Link!
Althought i was given 80mgs daily, i do not have to take this dose, and often don't, I have read of MANY people who have taken stims for decades to treat medical issues without increase. These people are not 'chasing a high'-which causes some folks to ever increase doses, but are treating their medical issues, an entirely different entity. Don't be put off of this class of meds because of this. Some folks switch stims, and or take breaks to offset tolerance.
These meds have been a God given gift to many with ADD/depression who have not had any real long lasting benefit with ADs, i have experienced this, and recently read of a person who after 40 years of depression puncturated with various ADS has been literally transformed with 2 15mg Dexedrine Spansules dayly-I will never forget it.
Cheers
Posted by alohashirt on August 11, 2005, at 7:25:17
In reply to Re: I tried the ritalin., posted by linkadge on August 10, 2005, at 15:55:27
> >I first tried the methylphenidate (Ritalin)
> >(10mg IR) in Feb 2004-WOW-hello stimulants, >started at 10mgs 2x daily-major stimulation to >my virgin stim Brain-. Now 1@half years later >was given 20mgs 4x day last month=80mgs daily, >the effects, as well as my Brain chemistry have >changed since feb 04', if Methylphenidate is >considered "a mild stimulant"-God help thoes who >run out of their supply of stronger Amphetamines->type meds.
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> Yeah, thats exactly what I am afraid of. Although it really helps me concentrate, and do one thing at a time, I would be afraid of poop out. If I could believe it would work indefintately, then it might be a different consideration.
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Ritalin seems to poop out much less than amphetamines. I don't know why.
Posted by Paulbwell on August 12, 2005, at 2:18:41
In reply to Re: I tried the ritalin., posted by alohashirt on August 11, 2005, at 7:25:17
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> Ritalin seems to poop out much less than amphetamines. I don't know why.
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>Ritalin seems to be excellent when crushed and snorted, quick effects (2 minutes) and good stimulation,-even sobering you up when you have been drinking: it's a goos thing i currently have well over 200 10mg pills yipee! horee for Rit
Cheers
Posted by alohashirt on August 12, 2005, at 22:56:25
In reply to Re: I tried the ritalin., posted by Paulbwell on August 12, 2005, at 2:18:41
Thats funny to hear that. More than two decades ago, as a green college student, I used to attend wine tastings and once bemoaned to a friend that I could never get the most out of the tastingh because I would get drunk even when spitting the wine, because I didn't have much of a tolerance for alcohol. My friend, whose girlfriend was a drug dealer, gave me a bag of small blue pills and said "take a couple of these at the start of evening - if needed take some more"
Foolishly I took these methamphetamine tablets and found I was able to taste the wine without seeming to get drunk - so I went out with the rest of teh crew to a party then another, drinking and taking these blue "sober up pills" as the night progressed and I truly believed that because I didn't feel drunk or sleepy I was 100%. All I remeber of the rest of the evening is going of with a women who showed me her wig could move, being terrified that I had been necking with a transsexual, feeling reassured that I hadn;'t been, meeting a dancer in ahotel bar who laughed at my story and agreed to take a train to the seaside at 7.00am on the spur of the moment, spending the day walking on the beach all the next day and then ending up home almost 72 hours later with another person's phone number in my pocket, unable to speak coherently, open my front door. After 20 hours sleep I rejoined my normal life swearing I would never have such an experience again. The next day I received a call from a stranger "Gina" asking if we were still on for our dinner date at restuarant X. I went to said restuarant and met this complete stranger, having no memeory of ever speaking to her before. She seemed to know my life story and described what sounded like a much more exciting night out than any I could ever recall having. She said that I seemed peculiarly boring compared to my mood on the weekend.
The irony is that many years later a medication that is very similar to that recreational drug is a foundation of my career success in a very conservative, corporate world and as a non-drinking, non-smoking, non-drug taking middle aged parent of two I know my children will look at me pityingly one day and think "poor Dad, he never really lived like we do"
Posted by gromit on August 12, 2005, at 23:14:55
In reply to Re: I tried the ritalin., posted by Paulbwell on August 12, 2005, at 2:18:41
> Ritalin seems to be excellent when crushed and snorted, quick effects (2 minutes) and good stimulation,-even sobering you up when you have been drinking: it's a goos thing i currently have well over 200 10mg pills yipee! horee for Rit
You are heading down a dangerous path my friend, you said as of 1.5 years ago you were stimulant naive. Please take it from someone who has been down that road, take your meds as prescribed! Maybe you are like me though, I've never listened to anybody telling me something was hot until I got burned.
Rick
Posted by Declan on August 13, 2005, at 0:50:27
In reply to Re: I tried the ritalin., posted by alohashirt on August 12, 2005, at 22:56:25
I'll bet your kids will.
But how many of those small blue tablets did you take?
You certainly got out and about, anyway.
Declan
Posted by Paulbwell on August 13, 2005, at 1:24:59
In reply to Re: I tried the ritalin., posted by alohashirt on August 12, 2005, at 22:56:25
> Thats funny to hear that. More than two decades ago, as a green college student, I used to attend wine tastings and once bemoaned to a friend that I could never get the most out of the tastingh because I would get drunk even when spitting the wine, because I didn't have much of a tolerance for alcohol. My friend, whose girlfriend was a drug dealer, gave me a bag of small blue pills and said "take a couple of these at the start of evening - if needed take some more"
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> Foolishly I took these methamphetamine tablets and found I was able to taste the wine without seeming to get drunk - so I went out with the rest of teh crew to a party then another, drinking and taking these blue "sober up pills" as the night progressed and I truly believed that because I didn't feel drunk or sleepy I was 100%. All I remeber of the rest of the evening is going of with a women who showed me her wig could move, being terrified that I had been necking with a transsexual, feeling reassured that I hadn;'t been, meeting a dancer in ahotel bar who laughed at my story and agreed to take a train to the seaside at 7.00am on the spur of the moment, spending the day walking on the beach all the next day and then ending up home almost 72 hours later with another person's phone number in my pocket, unable to speak coherently, open my front door. After 20 hours sleep I rejoined my normal life swearing I would never have such an experience again. The next day I received a call from a stranger "Gina" asking if we were still on for our dinner date at restuarant X. I went to said restuarant and met this complete stranger, having no memeory of ever speaking to her before. She seemed to know my life story and described what sounded like a much more exciting night out than any I could ever recall having. She said that I seemed peculiarly boring compared to my mood on the weekend.
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> The irony is that many years later a medication that is very similar to that recreational drug is a foundation of my career success in a very conservative, corporate world and as a non-drinking, non-smoking, non-drug taking middle aged parent of two I know my children will look at me pityingly one day and think "poor Dad, he never really lived like we do"HI AALOHA,
i'M ASSUMING THOES TABS WERE dESOXYNS, CAN YOU REMEMBER THE DOSE? AND HOW MANY YOU YOOK?
cHEERS
Posted by Paulbwell on August 13, 2005, at 1:30:38
In reply to Re: I tried the ritalin., posted by gromit on August 12, 2005, at 23:14:55
> > Ritalin seems to be excellent when crushed and snorted, quick effects (2 minutes) and good stimulation,-even sobering you up when you have been drinking: it's a goos thing i currently have well over 200 10mg pills yipee! horee for Rit
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> You are heading down a dangerous path my friend, you said as of 1.5 years ago you were stimulant naive. Please take it from someone who has been down that road, take your meds as prescribed! Maybe you are like me though, I've never listened to anybody telling me something was hot until I got burned.
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>Advice taken, I have been turned onto mild stims and i'm afraid theres no going back. This is a rear practice, and i usually take my meds as stated, orally (sublingually effects in 5 mins snorted around 2 mins and harsher. What was that which burned you?
Cheers
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