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Posted by Spotcheck on December 23, 2004, at 17:41:20
In reply to Re: How many of you had hypertensive crisis?, posted by Michael Bell on December 23, 2004, at 17:28:44
>I tried Nardil for 3 weeks and it's anxiolytic effects were great, but fear of hypertensive crisis made me get off of it.
>Just curious, how many of you who responded to the original post have dealt with a hypertensive crisis due to Nardil? What brought it on, if anything? Thanks.
I am most unusual in that I have violated virtually all of the dietary restrictions that come with Nardil, but I know several people who have run ins when they ate a bit of pepperoni or something like that. Do be extremely careful here, but if you are, you can take this medication without fear -- especially is helps you.
I can direct you to sight that is devoted
exclusively to Nardil. That would be
http://anxietyhelp.org/treatment/medication/nardil.html/and my name would David
Posted by KaraS on December 24, 2004, at 14:10:45
In reply to Re: Questions for Nardil users (present or past) » KaraS, posted by Questionmark on December 23, 2004, at 4:48:24
> > Has this medication increased or decreased brain fog? (My brain may be ADHD prone - though I've never been diagnosed - so this answer is very important to me.)
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> Definitely decreased. However, before starting it i had been horribly inexplicably depressed for months on end (ever since quitting the Paxil before that). So i'm certain that it helped for that reason-- the "type" of depression i was in was very scattered, cognitively. But if i compare myself now (on Nardil) with how i was say a few years ago and before that (before getting on any psychiatric meds), i would have to say that my ability to focus, motivation, memory, and overall cognitive ability is less/worse now.
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> > Has this medication given you more energy and motivation or has it mostly been anxiolytic and/or mood lifting?
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> Yes to the former (i.e., both). However, i think it is so anxiolytic and mood lifting that it almost takes away some amount of necessary anxiety that i should have when not doing constructive things, using my time wisely, etc., which kind of takes away from my motivation and energy. Yeah, no, i'd have to say that Nardil is significantly more anxiolytic and mood lifting than it is providing of energy and motivation. It's not that bad for energy & motivation though, unless you have my problem (just mentioned), and even that's not that bad and is controllable.
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> > How much weight have you gained?
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> 1.5 years, on 60mg-- about 10-15 lbs. (? kilos). But i am also only ~160 lbs. and have really been trying to gain weight. Concerning appetite, it had nowhere near the effect that Remeron did, for me.
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> > Have any of you been on this for several years?
> ---Not me.
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> > Have you compared the new Nardil to the old, original Nardil?
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> No.
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> > (Sorry to ask so many questions but I'm having trouble deciding what medication to try next and I have to make a decision quickly.)
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> Puhshaw! i totally understand. As i'm sure we all do. Good luck.
Thanks. Overall it seems like this has been a very good medication for you (though you might want a bit more motivation). It's so good to hear success stories. Thanks for responding to my post and have a wonderful holiday season!
Posted by sfy on December 25, 2004, at 16:05:31
In reply to Re: How many of you had hypertensive crisis?, posted by Michael Bell on December 23, 2004, at 17:28:44
> I tried Nardil for 3 weeks and it's anxiolytic effects were great, but fear of hypertensive crisis made me get off of it.
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> Just curious, how many of you who responded to the original post have dealt with a hypertensive crisis due to Nardil? What brought it on, if anything? Thanks.Just to allay your fears, in my 2 1/2 years on Nardil, I never had a hypertensive crisis nor any incident even remotely indicating its possible onset. I was pretty careful about my diet and always carried some nifedipine just in case.
Posted by Tepiaca on December 26, 2004, at 14:39:44
In reply to Re: How many of you had hypertensive crisis?, posted by Michael Bell on December 23, 2004, at 17:28:44
> I tried Nardil for 3 weeks and it's anxiolytic effects were great, but fear of hypertensive crisis made me get off of it.
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> Just curious, how many of you who responded to the original post have dealt with a hypertensive crisis due to Nardil? What brought it on, if anything? Thanks.
I have had 1 in one year a 4 months. It was my fault because I ate and old piece of chicken that was in the refrigerator for more than 1 month.
The diet is not a big deal however , it is vey easy to follow. I have eat many things that I am supposed not to eat. But everyone´s is different with years you need to look by yourself what are the things that are most likely to provoke a HP on you
Posted by jparsell82` on December 27, 2004, at 23:44:10
In reply to Re: How many of you had hypertensive crisis?, posted by Michael Bell on December 23, 2004, at 17:28:44
> I tried Nardil for 3 weeks and it's anxiolytic effects were great, but fear of hypertensive crisis made me get off of it.
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> Just curious, how many of you who responded to the original post have dealt with a hypertensive crisis due to Nardil? What brought it on, if anything? Thanks.Never had a hypertensive crisis with Nardil. I didn't follow the diet all that well either. Hypertensive crisis' are a problem with Maois but I believe they are way overhyped. I think some people are way less likely or vice versa to get them too.
Posted by kellym on December 29, 2004, at 18:53:30
In reply to Re: How many of you had hypertensive crisis?, posted by jparsell82` on December 27, 2004, at 23:44:10
I once had chinese food -had a bp of about 200/120 if my home unit was getting an accurate reading. I took the beta blocker Lopressor at 100mg and reclined on my bed. My bp returned to normal after about 20 minutes. Perhaps not the ideal course of action but it worked out for me.
Posted by KaraS on December 29, 2004, at 20:31:21
In reply to Re: How many of you had hypertensive crisis?, posted by kellym on December 29, 2004, at 18:53:30
> I once had chinese food -had a bp of about 200/120 if my home unit was getting an accurate reading. I took the beta blocker Lopressor at 100mg and reclined on my bed. My bp returned to normal after about 20 minutes. Perhaps not the ideal course of action but it worked out for me.
I've been worried about Chinese food. Did you just eat the wrong thing at a restaurant or is it impossible to know if something is going to be ok when eating Chineses food? I'm worried because they may use old stock in making it (not to mention the soy sauce that might be in it).(Sounds like you did the right thing for it.)
k
Posted by kellym on December 30, 2004, at 19:20:04
In reply to Re: How many of you had hypertensive crisis? » kellym, posted by KaraS on December 29, 2004, at 20:31:21
I guess you can't be totally sure-there were a couple of places that I went to and felt comfortable with. Both were not what I would consider very "authentic". I always requested very light sauce. I certainly wouldn't order anything with hoisin(sp?) or oyster sauce. Actually ordering any sauce on the side would be the safest. I cant explain why I had the one bad experience. When I was taking Nardil I would "stick my toe in the water" when establishing what was safe. When the food is consistant it is a good method. I think as long as you have an action plan in place in case of danger and be informed- the risks aren't prohibitive in my opinon.
Posted by KaraS on December 31, 2004, at 1:04:23
In reply to Re: How many of you had hypertensive crisis? KaraS, posted by kellym on December 30, 2004, at 19:20:04
> I guess you can't be totally sure-there were a couple of places that I went to and felt comfortable with. Both were not what I would consider very "authentic". I always requested very light sauce. I certainly wouldn't order anything with hoisin(sp?) or oyster sauce. Actually ordering any sauce on the side would be the safest. I cant explain why I had the one bad experience. When I was taking Nardil I would "stick my toe in the water" when establishing what was safe. When the food is consistant it is a good method. I think as long as you have an action plan in place in case of danger and be informed- the risks aren't prohibitive in my opinon.
So you would taste a little bit and see how you felt - or would you actually take a BP reading in the restaurant?
Posted by kellym on December 31, 2004, at 17:14:06
In reply to Re: How many of you had hypertensive crisis? KaraS » kellym, posted by KaraS on December 31, 2004, at 1:04:23
> > I guess you can't be totally sure-there were a couple of places that I went to and felt comfortable with. Both were not what I would consider very "authentic". I always requested very light sauce. I certainly wouldn't order anything with hoisin(sp?) or oyster sauce. Actually ordering any sauce on the side would be the safest. I cant explain why I had the one bad experience. When I was taking Nardil I would "stick my toe in the water" when establishing what was safe. When the food is consistant it is a good method. I think as long as you have an action plan in place in case of danger and be informed- the risks aren't prohibitive in my opinon.
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> So you would taste a little bit and see how you felt - or would you actually take a BP reading in the restaurant?
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>When trying anything new, I would eat just a little at a time- takeout is handy. You'll get a pretty good idea if something is wrong. I don't mean to give you the wrong idea- I would never take a chance on something I if I thought it was uncertain. I wouldn't go into an unknown restaurant and eat something I thought might be risky. When I read that the cheese in pizza from Pizza Hut is ok, I still took it very slowly until I was convinced of it. A blood pressure monitor is a good thing as long as you don't get too obssesive about it. They're really not portable though. I just had one because I had a blood pressure problem (although after starting Nardil I could stop my medication as it tends to lower bp normally). Luckily when I did have the bad reaction I had my normal bp medicine, a beta blocker on hand. Again probably not the official way to handle the situation but it worked out for me.
Posted by Spotcheck on December 31, 2004, at 17:53:46
In reply to Re: How many of you had hypertensive crisis? KaraS, posted by kellym on December 31, 2004, at 17:14:06
> > > I guess you can't be totally sure-there were a couple of places that I went to and felt comfortable with. Both were not what I would consider very "authentic". I always requested very light sauce. I certainly wouldn't order anything with hoisin(sp?) or oyster sauce. Actually ordering any sauce on the side would be the safest. I cant explain why I had the one bad experience. When I was taking Nardil I would "stick my toe in the water" when establishing what was safe. When the food is consistant it is a good method. I think as long as you have an action plan in place in case of danger and be informed- the risks aren't prohibitive in my opinon.
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> > So you would taste a little bit and see how you felt - or would you actually take a BP reading in the restaurant?
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> When trying anything new, I would eat just a little at a time- takeout is handy. You'll get a pretty good idea if something is wrong. I don't mean to give you the wrong idea- I would never take a chance on something I if I thought it was uncertain. I wouldn't go into an unknown restaurant and eat something I thought might be risky. When I read that the cheese in pizza from Pizza Hut is ok, I still took it very slowly until I was convinced of it. A blood pressure monitor is a good thing as long as you don't get too obssesive about it. They're really not portable though. I just had one because I had a blood pressure problem(although after starting Nardil I could stop my medication as it tends to lower bp normally). Luckily when I did have the bad reaction I had my normal bp medicine, a beta blocker on hand. Again probably not the official way to handle the situation but it worked out for me.
_________________________________________________First, where Nardil is concerned, it's not too hard to obey the dietary restrictions. They are not that big an imposition of your life. Second, "new" Nardil, unlike Pfizer's "old" Nardil actually tends to increase one's BP slightly. When, assuming you do, you decide to eat something that could precipitate a hypertensive crisis, then go really slowly. Some people will take a bit of Pepperoni and wham, their BP shoots to 200 / 90. Others are not bothered at all by most foods. This also depends upon the dosage you must take -- the more you take the more you should adhere to the dietary restrictions.
I do recommend finding out which type of person you are for your well-being though. Just be darned careful and test systematically. The beta blocker is a fine way to solve the problem. The real point is that the dietary restrictions are peanuts - if this medication genuinely helps you.
Posted by KaraS on January 4, 2005, at 17:19:20
In reply to Re: How many of you had hypertensive crisis? KaraS » kellym, posted by Spotcheck on December 31, 2004, at 17:53:46
> > > > I guess you can't be totally sure-there were a couple of places that I went to and felt comfortable with. Both were not what I would consider very "authentic". I always requested very light sauce. I certainly wouldn't order anything with hoisin(sp?) or oyster sauce. Actually ordering any sauce on the side would be the safest. I cant explain why I had the one bad experience. When I was taking Nardil I would "stick my toe in the water" when establishing what was safe. When the food is consistant it is a good method. I think as long as you have an action plan in place in case of danger and be informed- the risks aren't prohibitive in my opinon.
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> > > So you would taste a little bit and see how you felt - or would you actually take a BP reading in the restaurant?
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> > When trying anything new, I would eat just a little at a time- takeout is handy. You'll get a pretty good idea if something is wrong. I don't mean to give you the wrong idea- I would never take a chance on something I if I thought it was uncertain. I wouldn't go into an unknown restaurant and eat something I thought might be risky. When I read that the cheese in pizza from Pizza Hut is ok, I still took it very slowly until I was convinced of it. A blood pressure monitor is a good thing as long as you don't get too obssesive about it. They're really not portable though. I just had one because I had a blood pressure problem(although after starting Nardil I could stop my medication as it tends to lower bp normally). Luckily when I did have the bad reaction I had my normal bp medicine, a beta blocker on hand. Again probably not the official way to handle the situation but it worked out for me.
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> First, where Nardil is concerned, it's not too hard to obey the dietary restrictions. They are not that big an imposition of your life. Second, "new" Nardil, unlike Pfizer's "old" Nardil actually tends to increase one's BP slightly. When, assuming you do, you decide to eat something that could precipitate a hypertensive crisis, then go really slowly. Some people will take a bit of Pepperoni and wham, their BP shoots to 200 / 90. Others are not bothered at all by most foods. This also depends upon the dosage you must take -- the more you take the more you should adhere to the dietary restrictions.
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> I do recommend finding out which type of person you are for your well-being though. Just be darned careful and test systematically. The beta blocker is a fine way to solve the problem. The real point is that the dietary restrictions are peanuts - if this medication genuinely helps you.
I just noticed that I haven't answered this post. I do appreciate your advice after so many years of successful use of Nardil. I don't know if I can take a beta blocker. I may have asthma in which case they would be contraindicated. You're lucky you have that option and the pills already available. I hope I can get something to carry with me to allay my fears somewhat. Should the need arise, I would like to be able to take the bp lowering med and then that would be the end of it - but I guess you're supposed to go to the emergency room anyway, right? I'll have to find out where there even is one around here. So many of them have been shut down. I am particularly worried because I'm in my late 40's and I think a crisis is much more dangerous as you get older.Do you think that the Nardil that is sold in the UK (even though it isn't exactly the old Nardil) is better than what's sold in the US now? Have you ever tried that version of Nardil?
Posted by Spotcheck on January 4, 2005, at 17:51:14
In reply to Re: How many of you had hypertensive crisis? KaraS » Spotcheck, posted by KaraS on January 4, 2005, at 17:19:20
>I just noticed that I haven't answered this post. I do appreciate your advice after so many years of successful use of Nardil. I don't know if I can take a beta blocker. I may have asthma in which case they would be contraindicated. You're lucky you have that option and the pills already available.
I have no beta blocker to take. What I have done is to test things carefully and systematically, and I have been lucky. Other than that, I do make one heck of a good Liquid Nardil, but it so expensive now that only people who respond well to "old" Nardil only should really consider using it -- unless they can get a substantial amount of it paid for by their health insurance programs, assuming you have one.
>I hope I can get something to carry with me to allay my fears somewhat.
The hypertensive crisis problem is overblown in my estimation. Of course it does and can happen, but only if one eats foods that have a lot of Tyramine in them. Aged foods are a very likely source of trouble right here.
>Should the need arise, I would like to be able to take the bp lowering med and then that would be the end of it - but I guess you're supposed to go to the emergency room anyway, right?
It would be a good idea, unless you can control it yourself and there is no damage done. Then, there's no reason to do. But you must get your blood pressure down quickly or you could indeed die.
>I'll have to find out where there even is one around here. So many of them have been shut down. I am particularly worried because I'm in my late 40's and I think a crisis is much more dangerous as you get older.
Do find out where one is, but your local hospital is most likely source. I'm in my middle fifties, so I could not afford to have one either. I am not certain that age is all that relevant though. It sounds good, but that's as far as I should let it go. If you are in good shape, you'll be just fine.
> Do you think that the Nardil that is sold in the UK (even though it isn't exactly the old Nardil) is better than what's sold in the US now?
No, I don't. All are generics now, and there is little difference between them. If you want a bottle of Link UK's Nardil, just let me know. I have one I have been dying to get rid of for some time. All that is different is a requirement to keep it in the refrigerator - something Pfizer does not recommend. It could not hurt to do. Still, I do not know anyone who does this though with Pfizer's product. Heck, I won't refrigerate my Liquid Nardil. I use Benzoic Acid as a preservative of this elixir, and it works extremely well. What's the point of refrigeration, if you have it licked another way?
>Have you ever tried that version of Nardil?
Yes, I sure have. There is no significant difference between them. The only product that is appreciably different that I am talking about is an elixir I made to replace "old" Nardil for those who responded well to "old" Nardil, but do not respond well to "new" Nardil, and cannot find any other combination of medications that works as well.
Posted by KaraS on January 4, 2005, at 19:52:43
In reply to Re: How many of you had hypertensive crisis? KaraS, posted by Spotcheck on January 4, 2005, at 17:51:14
> >I just noticed that I haven't answered this post. I do appreciate your advice after so many years of successful use of Nardil. I don't know if I can take a beta blocker. I may have asthma in which case they would be contraindicated. You're lucky you have that option and the pills already available.
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> I have no beta blocker to take. What I have done is to test things carefully and systematically, and I have been lucky. Other than that, I do make one heck of a good Liquid Nardil, but it so expensive now that only people who respond well to "old" Nardil only should really consider using it -- unless they can get a substantial amount of it paid for by their health insurance programs, assuming you have one.
Sorry, I confused your post with that of the previous poster who had the beta blockers on hand.
I don't have any health insurance currently. I'll have to pay for it and/or beg the company through their compassionate program. Canada has it for a bit less so that will help a little. The longer term plan is to get functional enough again to get a job and benefits. Then medication would be paid for (along with everything else).
> >I hope I can get something to carry with me to allay my fears somewhat.
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> The hypertensive crisis problem is overblown in my estimation. Of course it does and can happen, but only if one eats foods that have a lot of Tyramine in them. Aged foods are a very likely source of trouble right here.
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> >Should the need arise, I would like to be able to take the bp lowering med and then that would be the end of it - but I guess you're supposed to go to the emergency room anyway, right?
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> It would be a good idea, unless you can control it yourself and there is no damage done. Then, there's no reason to do. But you must get your blood pressure down quickly or you could indeed die.You can probably get it down within an hour if you take something but is that soon enough? I have a feeling that by the time someone gets to the emergency room and gets seen, their blood pressure would already be down.
> >I'll have to find out where there even is one around here. So many of them have been shut down. I am particularly worried because I'm in my late 40's and I think a crisis is much more dangerous as you get older.
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> Do find out where one is, but your local hospital is most likely source. I'm in my middle fifties, so I could not afford to have one either. I am not certain that age is all that relevant though. It sounds good, but that's as far as I should let it go. If you are in good shape, you'll be just fine.
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> > Do you think that the Nardil that is sold in the UK (even though it isn't exactly the old Nardil) is better than what's sold in the US now?
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> No, I don't. All are generics now, and there is little difference between them. If you want a bottle of Link UK's Nardil, just let me know. I have one I have been dying to get rid of for some time. All that is different is a requirement to keep it in the refrigerator - something Pfizer does not recommend. It could not hurt to do. Still, I do not know anyone who does this though with Pfizer's product. Heck, I won't refrigerate my Liquid Nardil. I use Benzoic Acid as a preservative of this elixir, and it works extremely well. What's the point of refrigeration, if you have it licked another way?
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> >Have you ever tried that version of Nardil?
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> Yes, I sure have. There is no significant difference between them. The only product that is appreciably different that I am talking about is an elixir I made to replace "old" Nardil for those who responded well to "old" Nardil, but do not respond well to "new" Nardil, and cannot find any other combination of medications that works as well.Wish I had your know how! That would sure make things a lot easier. Not to be at the mercy of the drug companies is another huge benefit!
Take care,
K
Posted by Spotcheck on January 4, 2005, at 21:22:10
In reply to Re: How many of you had hypertensive crisis? KaraS » Spotcheck, posted by KaraS on January 4, 2005, at 19:52:43
> > I have no beta blocker to take. What I have done is to test things carefully and systematically, and I have been lucky. Other than that, I do make one heck of a good Liquid Nardil, but it so expensive now that only people who respond well to "old" Nardil only should really consider using it -- unless they can get a substantial amount of it paid for by their health insurance programs, assuming you have one.
> Sorry, I confused your post with that of the previous poster who had the beta blockers on hand.That's quite all right.
> I don't have any health insurance currently. I'll have to pay for it and/or beg the company through their compassionate program. Canada has it for a bit less so that will help a little. The longer term plan is to get functional enough again to get a job and benefits. Then medication would be paid for (along with everything else).
That's exactly what you must do. Canada is cheaper, but I honestly do not know how much longer she will be available to us. President Bush and Republicans have every intention of guaranteeing American hegemony over pharmaceuticals in this nation - state.
> >I hope I can get something to carry with me to allay my fears somewhat.
> >
> The hypertensive crisis problem is overblown in my estimation. Of course it does and can happen, but only if one eats foods that have a lot of Tyramine in them. Aged foods are a very likely source of trouble right here.> >Should the need arise, I would like to be able to take the bp lowering med and then that would be the end of it - but I guess you're supposed to go to the emergency room anyway, right?
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> > It would be a good idea, unless you can control it yourself and there is no damage done. Then, there's no reason to do. But you must get your blood pressure down quickly or you could indeed die.
>You can probably get it down within an hour if you take something but is that soon enough?Yes, it sure is. An hour is not at all unreasonable. It just might feel that way because you will have one heck of a headache.
>I have a feeling that by the time someone gets to the emergency room and gets seen, their blood pressure would already be down.
If they take something for it, that would be true.
> >I'll have to find out where there even is one around here. So many of them have been shut down. I am particularly worried because I'm in my late 40's and I think a crisis is much more dangerous as you get older.
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> > Do find out where one is, but your local hospital is most likely source. I'm in my middle fifties, so I could not afford to have one either. I am not certain that age is all that relevant though. It sounds good, but that's as far as I should let it go. If you are in good shape, you'll be just fine.
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> > > Do you think that the Nardil that is sold in the UK (even though it isn't exactly the old Nardil) is better than what's sold in the US now?
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> > No, I don't. All are generics now, and there is little difference between them. If you want a bottle of Link UK's Nardil, just let me know. I have one I have been dying to get rid of for some time. All that is different is a requirement to keep it in the refrigerator - something Pfizer does not recommend. It could not hurt to do. Still, I do not know anyone who does this though with Pfizer's product. Heck, I won't refrigerate my Liquid Nardil. I use Benzoic Acid as a preservative of this elixir, and it works extremely well. What's the point of refrigeration, if you have it licked another way?
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> > >Have you ever tried that version of Nardil?
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> > Yes, I sure have. There is no significant difference between them. The only product that is appreciably different that I am talking about is an elixir I made to replace "old" Nardil for those who responded well to "old" Nardil, but do not respond well to "new" Nardil, and cannot find any other combination of medications that works as well.
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> Wish I had your know how! That would sure make things a lot easier. Not to be at the mercy of the drug companies is another huge benefit!Well, LN bypasses any doctors or Psychiatrists, all Pharmacies, and all Pharmaceutical companies. Furthermore, it is perfectly legal for any American to make their own medications.
>Take care,
> KYou too Kara. If there's anything I can help you will with, just let me know.
Dave
Posted by KaraS on January 4, 2005, at 23:49:49
In reply to Re: How many of you had hypertensive crisis? KaraS, posted by Spotcheck on January 4, 2005, at 21:22:10
> That's exactly what you must do. Canada is cheaper, but I honestly do not know how much longer she will be available to us. President Bush and Republicans have every intention of guaranteeing American hegemony over pharmaceuticals in this nation - state.
>Yes, I know. I worry about that a lot.
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> Yes, it sure is. An hour is not at all unreasonable. It just might feel that way because you will have one heck of a headache.
>Assuming I don't have a stroke or anything worse by the time that hour is over... (I'm not an optimist, can you tell?)
Also, do you have regular liver tests done because you're on Nardil or do you not worry about that at all?
> Well, LN bypasses any doctors or Psychiatrists, all Pharmacies, and all Pharmaceutical companies. Furthermore, it is perfectly legal for any American to make their own medications.
>They can't take that away from you! Fortunately for the drug companies, most of us don't have that capability. (BTW, what does "LN" stand for?)
> You too Kara. If there's anything I can help you with, just let me know.
>
> Dave
That's so sweet of you to say. Thank you!!k
Posted by Spotcheck on January 5, 2005, at 1:05:52
In reply to Re: How many of you had hypertensive crisis? KaraS » Spotcheck, posted by KaraS on January 4, 2005, at 23:49:49
> > That's exactly what you must do. Canada is cheaper, but I honestly do not know how much longer she will be available to us. President Bush and Republicans have every intention of guaranteeing American hegemony over pharmaceuticals in this nation - state.
> Yes, I know. I worry about that a lot.Well, I certainly wish you did not have to, but President Bush gets his way even when he's dead wrong about something.
>> Yes, it sure is. An hour is not at all unreasonable. It just might feel that way because you will have one heck of a headache.
>Assuming I don't have a stroke or anything worse by the time that hour is over... (I'm not an optimist, can you tell?)Not too many people who have these illnesses are optimists, Kara. I think it might well be a defining trait -- in fact.
>Also, do you have regular liver tests done because you're on Nardil or do you not worry about that at all?
While it's quite true that once Nardil gets into the blood stream it is then metabolized by your liver and then sent on it's way to your cerebral cortex where is changes your brain chemistry, no I do not worry about my liver at all. Hence, I do not have regular liver tests. After 27 years of using this medication, that would have been a lot of liver tests, and for what? If my liver goes, I will die of course. But I doubt that will happen.
>>Well, LN bypasses any doctors or Psychiatrists, all Pharmacies, and all Pharmaceutical companies. Furthermore, it is perfectly legal for any American to make their own medications.
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> They can't take that away from you! Fortunately for the drug companies, most of us don't have that capability. (BTW, what does "LN" stand for?)Liquid Nardil. It's my layman's version of "old" Nardil for anyone who needs the best Nardil going. It does work like gang busters, which is exactly what I had hoped it would do. But boy was it ever hard to first make. Now, it's really easy to do and is comparable in difficulty to making crepes I'd say. Not too hard in other words.
> > You too Kara. If there's anything I can help you with, just let me know.
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> > Dave
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> That's so sweet of you to say. Thank you!!
>
> kIt's my pleasure, Kara! Good luck to you now.
Dave
Posted by KaraS on January 5, 2005, at 17:59:47
In reply to Re: How many of you had hypertensive crisis? KaraS, posted by Spotcheck on January 5, 2005, at 1:05:52
> > > That's exactly what you must do. Canada is cheaper, but I honestly do not know how much longer she will be available to us. President Bush and Republicans have every intention of guaranteeing American hegemony over pharmaceuticals in this nation - state.
>
>
> > Yes, I know. I worry about that a lot.
>
> Well, I certainly wish you did not have to, but President Bush gets his way even when he's dead wrong about something.There's an obvious response to that but I'd probably get blocked so I won't say it.
> >> Yes, it sure is. An hour is not at all unreasonable. It just might feel that way because you will have one heck of a headache.
>
> Not too many people who have these illnesses are optimists, Kara. I think it might well be a defining trait -- in fact.Very true.
>
> > They can't take that away from you! Fortunately for the drug companies, most of us don't have that capability. (BTW, what does "LN" stand for?)
>
> Liquid Nardil. It's my layman's version of "old" Nardil for anyone who needs the best Nardil going. It does work like gang busters, which is exactly what I had hoped it would do. But boy was it ever hard to first make. Now, it's really easy to do and is comparable in difficulty to making crepes I'd say. Not too hard in other words.LOL - you're too funny. Actually, I don't know how to make crepes either but I suppose I could learn.
> > > You too Kara. If there's anything I can help you with, just let me know.
> > >
> > > Dave
> >Take care Dave,
Kara
Posted by Spotcheck on January 5, 2005, at 18:59:31
In reply to Re: How many of you had hypertensive crisis? » Spotcheck, posted by KaraS on January 5, 2005, at 17:59:47
> > Yes, I know. I worry about that a lot.
> >
> > Well, I certainly wish you did not have to, but President Bush gets his way even when he's dead wrong about something.
>
> There's an obvious response to that but I'd probably get blocked so I won't say it.I understand. I fear we all might one day soon, although I do not see what good Conservatives could be -- if they created a Dictatorship. Then, again, they do think in a very simple manner. Power might be just enough enticement too.
> > >> Yes, it sure is. An hour is not at all unreasonable. It just might feel that way because you will have one heck of a headache.
> >
> > Not too many people who have these illnesses are optimists, Kara. I think it might well be a defining trait -- in fact.
>
> Very true.It's most regrettable though. Just do not expect normal people to ever understand this. They can't, and it will frustrate you like nothing ever has.
> > > They can't take that away from you! Fortunately for the drug companies, most of us don't have that capability. (BTW, what does "LN" stand for?)
> >
> > Liquid Nardil. It's my layman's version of "old" Nardil for anyone who needs the best Nardil going. It does work like gang busters, which is exactly what I had hoped it would do. But boy was it ever hard to first make. Now, it's really easy to do and is comparable in difficulty to making crepes I'd say. Not too hard in other words.
>
> LOL - you're too funny. Actually, I don't know how to make crepes either but I suppose I could learn.I'm having to since my chef is going blind. I thought it would be smarter to learn how while some vision still remained.
> > > > You too Kara. If there's anything I can help you with, just let me know.
> > > >
> > > > Dave
> > >
>
> Take care Dave,
> KaraIt's a deal, Kara!
Dave
Posted by Dr. Bob on January 5, 2005, at 22:07:51
In reply to Re: How many of you had hypertensive crisis?, posted by Spotcheck on January 5, 2005, at 18:59:31
> I do not see what good Conservatives could be... Then, again, they do think in a very simple manner. Power might be just enough enticement too.
Please respect the views of others and be sensitive to their feelings.
If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ:
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Follow-ups regarding these issues should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration. They, as well as replies to the above post, should of course themselves be civil.
Also, Psycho-Babble Politics is for political discussions.
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by Spotcheck on January 5, 2005, at 22:20:39
In reply to Re: please be civil » Spotcheck, posted by Dr. Bob on January 5, 2005, at 22:07:51
> Please respect the views of others and be sensitive to their feelings.
I should have known that one would draw me a reprimand. I hereby apologize for my insensitive statement about Conservatives, and their potential motives.
That is as far as I can possibly go, however, so if it is not enough of an apology, then please ban me to spare them from my obviously reckless brutality towards them. That it is unhealthy for others including me, I actually do realize.
>
> If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ:
>
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
>
> Follow-ups regarding these issues should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration. They, as well as replies to the above post, should of course themselves be civil.
>
> Also, Psycho-Babble Politics is for political discussions.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bob
Posted by KaraS on January 6, 2005, at 22:54:27
In reply to Re: How many of you had hypertensive crisis?, posted by Spotcheck on January 5, 2005, at 18:59:31
Dave,
Did you see this article on CNN.com? It's exactly what we've been talking about.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/HEALTH/01/06/canada.internet.drugs.ap/index.html
Kara
Posted by Dr. Bob on January 6, 2005, at 23:04:38
In reply to Re: please be civil » Dr. Bob, posted by Spotcheck on January 5, 2005, at 22:20:39
Posted by Dr. Bob on January 7, 2005, at 22:45:09
In reply to Re: please be civil » Spotcheck, posted by Dr. Bob on January 5, 2005, at 22:07:51
> Also, Psycho-Babble Politics is for political discussions.
Here's a link:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/poli/20041129/msgs/439228.html
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by Spotcheck on January 7, 2005, at 23:13:48
In reply to Redirect: political discussions, posted by Dr. Bob on January 7, 2005, at 22:45:09
> > Also, Psycho-Babble Politics is for political discussions.
>
> Here's a link:
>
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/poli/20041129/msgs/439228.html
>
> Thanks,
> BobOh thanks, Dr. Bob. That might well be the place I should go.
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