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Posted by Mindreseacher on October 28, 2004, at 14:27:47
Hi, all, just wanted to post again about ADD stimulants. Primarily, Im taking ADDerall. My tolerance is like terrible. My doctor even upped my dose to 90mg daily, 30mg of adderall Regular release , and lately, im sorta loosing effects. Even the ADD, Motivation Etc.
So, I came to a conclustion. AND i hope this is going to work. FOr the last 2 weeks, iv been eating ice cream , some phase i just was craving it. Also, not enough fiber and my usual herbal supplements which help the intestines.
If ones intestines are not working properly, (Im getting wierd stomach spasms, and sensations, and other const. Problems, I suspect that a good total body cleansing would help bring back the effects of the drug. Even the nutrients for your body doesnt get absorbed correctly.
I was just wondering if anyone experience this problem. I know my tolerance built up, but it has gotton worse, and talking and researching about taking off , its not recommended to stop medications. Plus it would make me alot worse.
But I suspect this is the majority of the problem, along with some downregualtion of dopamine receptors, which iv bought a few antioxidants to also help detox the brain.
I would like to lay off adderall for a week , but unless I had some other alternative, im not going to risk it, and be in a horrible state of mind.I know iv posted about this before, but I never suspected intestinal health, which actually you have "neurotransmitters" in the gut, along with absorbtion of nutrients and drugs. IF you all clogged up like a pipe needing drano LOL< well i can see some nasty things occurring overtime, esp poisons seeping into the blood stream and infections.
Geno
Posted by linkadge on October 28, 2004, at 15:32:23
In reply to ADD Medication, posted by Mindreseacher on October 28, 2004, at 14:27:47
I think that a lot of problems can occur with stimulants and nutrition. While on stimulants I would find my anxiety increased and my appetite decreased. Both of which can lead to nutritional deficiancies.
I think you are wise in planning a break from stimulants. I would combine a healthy diet, vitamin pills and exercise. Another supplement idea is omega 3. Omega 3 works to fatten up the serotonin and dopamine receptors and make them more versatile. Also make sure you are getting enough protein to produce the catecholamine neurotransmitters.
Finally, keep checks on your emotional health sleep etc, which can clearly effect your cognition.
Linkadge
Posted by JayDee on October 28, 2004, at 21:14:35
In reply to ADD Medication, posted by Mindreseacher on October 28, 2004, at 14:27:47
> Hi, all, just wanted to post again about ADD stimulants. Primarily, Im taking ADDerall. My tolerance is like terrible. My doctor even upped my dose to 90mg daily, 30mg of adderall Regular release , and lately, im sorta loosing effects. Even the ADD, Motivation Etc.
> So, I came to a conclustion. AND i hope this is going to work. FOr the last 2 weeks, iv been eating ice cream , some phase i just was craving it. Also, not enough fiber and my usual herbal supplements which help the intestines.
> If ones intestines are not working properly, (Im getting wierd stomach spasms, and sensations, and other const. Problems, I suspect that a good total body cleansing would help bring back the effects of the drug. Even the nutrients for your body doesnt get absorbed correctly.
> I was just wondering if anyone experience this problem. I know my tolerance built up, but it has gotton worse, and talking and researching about taking off , its not recommended to stop medications. Plus it would make me alot worse.
> But I suspect this is the majority of the problem, along with some downregualtion of dopamine receptors, which iv bought a few antioxidants to also help detox the brain.
> I would like to lay off adderall for a week , but unless I had some other alternative, im not going to risk it, and be in a horrible state of mind.
>
> I know iv posted about this before, but I never suspected intestinal health, which actually you have "neurotransmitters" in the gut, along with absorbtion of nutrients and drugs. IF you all clogged up like a pipe needing drano LOL< well i can see some nasty things occurring overtime, esp poisons seeping into the blood stream and infections.
>
> GenoGeno,
Did you see my previous post to you? You are asking too much. many people develop great tolerance to amphetamines naturally, and noone can expect to be 'up' on them for 16 hrs/day 7 days a week etc. This is my opinion. Try some(alot) N-Acetyl Cysteine as it has been shown to help with amphetmaine neurotoxicty and sensitization.
Posted by JayDee on October 28, 2004, at 21:17:03
In reply to Re: ADD Medication, posted by JayDee on October 28, 2004, at 21:14:35
Mabye you should take a long break and go on Ritalin again? It seems to be much better for tolerance. Just not as effective, unfortunatly.
another suggestion: Try to organize your life into things that you can accomplish w/o Stim assistance, and do as much as you can while your off the Adderall. save it for when you NEED it...
Posted by JayDee on October 28, 2004, at 21:17:15
In reply to Re: ADD Medication, posted by JayDee on October 28, 2004, at 21:14:35
Mabye you should take a long break and go on Ritalin again? It seems to be much better for tolerance. Just not as effective, unfortunatly.
another suggestion: Try to organize your life into things that you can accomplish w/o Stim assistance, and do as much as you can while your off the Adderall. save it for when you NEED it...
Posted by Mindreseacher on October 29, 2004, at 23:58:14
In reply to Re: ADD Medication, posted by JayDee on October 28, 2004, at 21:17:15
Hey 3 beers is back, he is the doc when it comes to this. Where are ya?
Iv tried, and i get in these moods where i post this stuff, and I already mostly know it. DOnt ask me why. But ill summarize my question.
IM in a catch 22 situation. I cannot stop my medications like adderall, because, first i will go into a slumber for days, then just lay in bed for a week, but iv taken off a week about 5 weeks ago. But I ran out of meds.
SO at the end of the week, I went on some Ritalin. Well thats didnt do much, had to take 2 30mg pills. It helped, but it seems to again up the tolerance. SO< iv been taking Omega 3 fish oils, NAC, L-Tyrosine 500m, Mucuna Prurriens, B-complex 150mg, 3x daily, L-Theanine and 5HTP at bedtime, CoQ10 75mg and NADA 5mg, DHEA 50mg, daily, plus Acidopholis for intestinal health.Ya , Take alot. And does it all help. NOt much, maybe a bit. But I know what I must do, at least to help bring back adderalls effects maybe 30 percent or so.
1. Sleep 8 hrs a night ( I basically started about 5 days ago with better sleep)
2. Take a small break from adderall, and replace it with say another DA med, not Ritalin, but possibly seglegine, or Amantadine, for a week or two.
3. Clean my body out, detoxify the entire digestive system, kidneys, Intestine, colon, liver, I have most of the herbal mix, but I need some other specifcs.
4. Upregulate the dopamine receptors with NAC, Omegas, NADH, L-Tyrosine, and still researching others.
5. But I have read a few reports from doctors, online, one was a neuro doc, who stated going off your meds, can actually be detrimental. So if i decide not to, maybe adding another medication with adderall, like welbutrin, straterra, etc. Nothing like Ritalin or Dex , or strong as amphet or a MAO, but i believe those 2 or possibly Provigil or Bromocriptine.
6. Iv tried dex, Ritalin, and the only on I havent tried is meth or dysoxin, which I would probably never get anyway, and would be gun shy of a medication due to the addictiveness.
BUt to summarize it, Taking a break, or adding another stimulant, nutrition, sleep, anitoxidants, are the basic thing to help out the dopaminergic stystem. I dont worry about gaba, Ne, Se, for years i fooled around with Gaba meds, Ne meds, SSRI, without any luck. The only other drug which satified me was opiates, like oxys. ANd that lead me down the wrong path. I guess the Mu Opiate receptor, The Nucleus accumbens and the quick release of Serotonin as mdma , and gaba enhancement, are somehow the addictive neurochemistry .
MREsearch
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