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Posted by ace on April 12, 2004, at 23:05:04
Comments please kids! Thinking of using for OCD augmentation....
Love, Peace, and Kisses (for the girls only!),
Ace.
Posted by snapper on April 13, 2004, at 1:05:40
In reply to MAOI + Tramadol, posted by ace on April 12, 2004, at 23:05:04
Ace, man you are not depressed-dude you honestly crack me up! Maybe it is that you *were* depressed and now you are just OBSESSESD!!-with not being obsessed!! lol
Fwiw , have you thought of asking the guy with a post name of ' chemist', what he would reccomend!
He seems to be very knowledgeable from the posts that I have read where he comments or interjects into possible solutions for the most efficacous treatment!
snapper
Posted by Sad Panda on April 13, 2004, at 1:59:59
In reply to MAOI + Tramadol, posted by ace on April 12, 2004, at 23:05:04
> Comments please kids! Thinking of using for OCD augmentation....
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> Love, Peace, and Kisses (for the girls only!),
> Ace.
>Probable SS would be my guess.
If you want to cure your OCD you are going to have to leave Nardil & use an SSRI, Effexor or Clomipramine as the main AD.
Alternately: MAOI + CBT is the answer. But CBT cost stacks of money. :/
Cheers,
Panda.
Posted by Sad Panda on April 13, 2004, at 2:02:53
In reply to MAOI + Tramadol, posted by ace on April 12, 2004, at 23:05:04
> Comments please kids! Thinking of using for OCD augmentation....
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> Love, Peace, and Kisses (for the girls only!),
> Ace.
>What bad things happen when you go higher with Nardil?
Posted by djmmm on April 13, 2004, at 12:23:30
In reply to Re: MAOI + Tramadol » ace, posted by Sad Panda on April 13, 2004, at 1:59:59
> > Comments please kids! Thinking of using for OCD augmentation....
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> > Love, Peace, and Kisses (for the girls only!),
> > Ace.
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> Probable SS would be my guess.
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> If you want to cure your OCD you are going to have to leave Nardil & use an SSRI, Effexor or Clomipramine as the main AD.
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> Alternately: MAOI + CBT is the answer. But CBT cost stacks of money. :/
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> Cheers,
> Panda.
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>I totally agree, stick with the Nardil (the only med that has made you happy) and try CBT. You don't appear to be depressed (by the tone of your posts)..at least not depressed enough to warrent augmentation of a MAOI....I still have this feeling that you are trying to medicate yourself into a hypomanic state...sometimes, less is more...don't take your partial (or more than partial, as the case appears to be) response and remission of clinical depression for granted, a lot of people would love to be in your position.
stick with what works.
Posted by ace on April 14, 2004, at 0:19:51
In reply to Re: MAOI + Tramadol, posted by djmmm on April 13, 2004, at 12:23:30
> > > Comments please kids! Thinking of using for OCD augmentation....
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> > > Love, Peace, and Kisses (for the girls only!),
> > > Ace.
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> > Probable SS would be my guess.
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> > If you want to cure your OCD you are going to have to leave Nardil & use an SSRI, Effexor or Clomipramine as the main AD.
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> > Alternately: MAOI + CBT is the answer. But CBT cost stacks of money. :/
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> > Cheers,
> > Panda.
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> I totally agree, stick with the Nardil (the only med that has made you happy) and try CBT. You don't appear to be depressed (by the tone of your posts)..at least not depressed enough to warrent augmentation of a MAOI....I still have this feeling that you are trying to medicate yourself into a hypomanic state...sometimes, less is more...don't take your partial (or more than partial, as the case appears to be) response and remission of clinical depression for granted, a lot of people would love to be in your position.
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> stick with what works.
>CBT definately doesn't. I tried it over a long period of time and it made my OCD much, much worse. Implosion therapy etc...it's all nonsense in my opinion. You can't heal a broken barin (OCD) with words just like you can't heal a broken bone with words.
'Psychotherapy', in nearly all its permutations, represents too me as utter nonsense.
And I say this after experience and great reflection.
Ace.
Posted by Sooshi on April 14, 2004, at 13:52:44
In reply to Re: CBT SUX!!! » djmmm, posted by ace on April 14, 2004, at 0:19:51
Oh gosh, Ace, I wish you wouldn't generalize like that...I have what one would call a VERY broken brain, and CBT works WONDERS for me. It certainly hasn't cured me, but without it's techniques, I couldn't make it through a single day. I'm sorry it didn't help you, but it just might help others, ya know?
I wish you only the best, and good luck with your quest for an adjunct medication with Nardil!
Posted by rod on April 14, 2004, at 16:06:49
In reply to Re: CBT SUX!!! » ace, posted by Sooshi on April 14, 2004, at 13:52:44
> ...I have what one would call a VERY broken brain, and CBT works WONDERS for me. It certainly hasn't cured me, but without it's techniques, I couldn't make it through a single day.
Which techniques do you use? How does CBT help you?
I also do CBT, and its a total waste of time, for me. Although it is free for me (insurance covers) I think of quitting, because its annoying to hear how easy one *should* get out of depression. Its a big blablablalbalbalbla. None of the things which are talked about have any impact on my condition. If he says me things like "think about somethig beatiful", "do it step by step", "take a walk", "take a deep breath" I could SMA*K his mouth. I get so mad by now, if I hear the same old therapist blabla. Nothing therapy related stuff helps my vegetative existance. Maybe I am just jealous, because my depression is far away from psychological nature, and doesnt respond to CBT or whatever blabla.
But I agree, that for most people, CBT is a important tool to get better.
Roland
Posted by Sooshi on April 14, 2004, at 20:07:08
In reply to Re: CBT SUX!!!, posted by rod on April 14, 2004, at 16:06:49
Hi Roland,
There are definately aspects of CBT that are simplistic and certainly not realistic, such as the belief that all emotional illness is due to factors within our control. I don't believe this for one minute.
However, I DO think that I can control the way I RESPOND to how I am feeling...I have truly come to understand the concept that I cannot have any emotional reaction to an event until I have had a THOUGHT about it and have given it meaning.
The techniques I use to control my thinking, and therefore my emotions are many, and although they sound simplistic, it took lots of hard work to learn them and accept that they would work. I use paradoxical techniques, distraction, flooding, thought-switching, positive imaging and visualization.
I was able to overcome agoraphobia (2 years spent inside my home, never leaving) with severe panic attacks, using CBT, but could NOT have done it without medication either. However, meds alone just weren't cutting it...I needed to learn that my panic and anxiety always resulted from distorted THOUGHTS that had little or no basis in reality. Once I learned this, I could then apply it towards the extreme emotions of my deep depressions, and the relief I got was tremendous.
Anyway, didn't mean to run on...I hope this has given you some insight. Best Wishes,
Sooshi
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