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Posted by Jaynee on June 14, 2003, at 19:08:51
I had read about this cocktail of vitamins and minerals helping bipolar years ago. It was originally used to help mad pigs. Then I saw a very interesting article in our local newspaper about it not being sold in Canada anymore and people who swear by it are very angry.
It is called EM Powerplus.
Apparently Canadians have to go through Evince International Inc, to get it now.
In this article they said many people also use it for anxiety, add, panic attacks autism, ocd, etc.
Has anyone tried it.
I am definitely going to start to look into this.
Thanks in advance.
Posted by Larry Hoover on June 14, 2003, at 20:13:39
In reply to vitamin and mineral supplement for mad pigs, posted by Jaynee on June 14, 2003, at 19:08:51
> I had read about this cocktail of vitamins and minerals helping bipolar years ago. It was originally used to help mad pigs. Then I saw a very interesting article in our local newspaper about it not being sold in Canada anymore and people who swear by it are very angry.
>
> It is called EM Powerplus.
>
> Apparently Canadians have to go through Evince International Inc, to get it now.
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> In this article they said many people also use it for anxiety, add, panic attacks autism, ocd, etc.
>
> Has anyone tried it.
>
> I am definitely going to start to look into this.
>
> Thanks in advance.Thanks to Dr. Bob, there's a new Google-powered search engine that lets you find threads not indexed under the prior internal search feature....there have been a few EM Power threads over this last winter. I strongly suggest you read them. Go to the bottom of the page, and plug your search term in, and hit the "using Google" button.
I don't know if the Canadian government is reacting to the product itself, but more likely, because health claims are being made about it. Only substances which have been approved as drugs can have specific health claims made about them. In any case, shipments into Canada have been seized by Customs, and there is an advisory against using the product.
The Health Canada website advisory:
http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/english/protection/warnings/2003/2003_41.htmHealth Canada is advising Canadians not to use Empowerplus
OTTAWA - Health Canada is advising consumers not to use Empowerplus, also known as EM Power+ and EM Power. It is a drug - being sold by the company Truehope Nutritional Support Limited (also known as Synergy) - which has not been approved for sale in Canada. Health Canada is the federal government regulatory body that authorizes the manufacture and sale of all drugs in this country.Health Canada has identified risks associated with the use of Empowerplus. The safety and efficacy of Empowerplus has not been shown. The drug is being sold to treat serious disorders, such as bipolar disorder, anxiety disorder, panic attacks, attention deficit disorder, schizophrenia, autism, Tourette’s syndrome, fibromyalgia and obsessive compulsive disorder.
Serious central nervous system conditions are best treated under the supervision of a health care provider. These serious disorders should not be self-medicated or self-diagnosed.
Before a drug can be sold in Canada, the manufacturer must first provide Health Canada with scientific evidence that the drug is safe and effective at meeting its stated claims of effectiveness of treatment. In order that consumers can distinguish between approved and non-approved drugs in Canada, all approved drugs sold in this country carry an eight-digit Drug Identification Number (DIN) on the label.
While this product has not been found in retail stores in Canada, it is being shipped to Canadian consumers following orders taken by TrueHope. Health Canada has a directive on personal importation of drugs. The directive can be found at:
http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/hpfb-dgpsa/inspectorate/
imp_hum_drug_per_use_enf_dir_tc_e.htmlHealth Canada reminds consumers of the importance of discussing the use of any non-prescription drugs, including vitamins, minerals and herbal products, with their health care provider. This may include a physician, pharmacist or complementary or alternative practitioner.
Health Canada recognizes the difficult circumstances faced by people with serious central nervous system conditions, and understands that some may have been using Empowerplus. In recognition of the seriousness of this issue, Health Canada is working to provide these individuals with appropriate referral options to health care professionals and services, by setting up a toll-free health assistance referral line. That number is 1-800 504-4156.
Posted by jay on June 14, 2003, at 21:34:25
In reply to vitamin and mineral supplement for mad pigs, posted by Jaynee on June 14, 2003, at 19:08:51
> I had read about this cocktail of vitamins and minerals helping bipolar years ago. It was originally used to help mad pigs. Then I saw a very interesting article in our local newspaper about it not being sold in Canada anymore and people who swear by it are very angry.
>
> It is called EM Powerplus.
>
> Apparently Canadians have to go through Evince International Inc, to get it now.
>
> In this article they said many people also use it for anxiety, add, panic attacks autism, ocd, etc.
>
> Has anyone tried it.
>
> I am definitely going to start to look into this.
>
> Thanks in advance.
Well..I saw the 'ad' (it was a sponsired ad by for-profit people..but like a drug ad too.) You can easily get all of this stuff, these "pig" vitamins, seperately for such a cheaper price. A few other things...-the government banned that particular company because they where making claims that where not *scientifically* proven..hence protecting consumers and us from fraud and con artists..
-the research has been shown to be flawed...and their is so little of it
-most of the pressure is comming from right-wing Albertan's who want to dismantle our medicare system by saying all of our 'science' of drugs is 'wrong'. Of course, it is no coincidence that the ad appeared in Canada's ultra-right wing paper 'The National Post'.
For more on this and many other scams..goto http://www.quackwatch.org/
Larry likely said the same and more...you deserve *much* better than what these scammers have to offer.
Best wishes,
Jay
Posted by Larry Hoover on June 14, 2003, at 22:31:43
In reply to Re: vitamin and mineral supplement for mad pigs » Jaynee, posted by jay on June 14, 2003, at 21:34:25
> Larry likely said the same and more...you deserve *much* better than what these scammers have to offer.
>
> Best wishes,
> JayI, and others, raised a series of questions about the company in this thread:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20021116/msgs/127901.html
The stuff may be helpful, but I honestly see no reason that it is special, at least in the sense of being worth the premium charged to get the nutrients contained therein.
The nutrient content is given here:
http://www.truehope.com/empIngredients.aspYou can obtain everything in it by other means, and in proportions not dictated by them. It's up to you if you think the convenience is worth it.
Lar
Posted by stjames on June 15, 2003, at 2:56:57
In reply to vitamin and mineral supplement for mad pigs, posted by Jaynee on June 14, 2003, at 19:08:51
> It is called EM Powerplus.
This has been discussed to death (at least for me)
here and you can find a bunch in the archives,
via google.It is qwackery.
Posted by avid abulia on June 15, 2003, at 16:44:03
In reply to Re: vitamin and mineral supplement for mad pigs, posted by stjames on June 15, 2003, at 2:56:57
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> It is qwackery.the nutrients involved are used in such small quantities that i would seriously doubt it does much at all except to your bank account... besides that, you can get much larger quantities for less dinero if`n` you buy the nutrients seperately and in bulk.
Posted by Larry Hoover on June 15, 2003, at 18:57:31
In reply to Re: vitamin and mineral supplement for mad pigs, posted by avid abulia on June 15, 2003, at 16:44:03
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> > It is qwackery.
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> the nutrients involved are used in such small quantities that i would seriously doubt it does much at all except to your bank account... besides that, you can get much larger quantities for less dinero if`n` you buy the nutrients seperately and in bulk.One of the few ingredients that is in substantially higher concentration in EMPower than typically found in supplement blends is boron. Only in the last decade or so has boron been given any attention.
Just scanning through Pubmed today, I see that boron deficiency blocks sex hormone synthesis, and downregulates the HPA axis. Boron is essential for a number of essential neuronal biochemical processes, as well.
Hmmm....Maybe boron is the special ingredient.
Lar
Posted by avid abulia on June 16, 2003, at 0:17:34
In reply to Re: vitamin and mineral supplement for mad pigs » avid abulia, posted by Larry Hoover on June 15, 2003, at 18:57:31
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>>you can get much larger quantities for less dinero if`n` you buy the nutrients seperately and in bulk.
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> One of the few ingredients that is in substantially higher concentration in EMPower than typically found in supplement blends is boron. Only in the last decade or so has boron been given any attention.
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> Just scanning through Pubmed today, I see that boron deficiency blocks sex hormone synthesis, and downregulates the HPA axis. Boron is essential for a number of essential neuronal biochemical processes, as well.
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> Hmmm....Maybe boron is the special ingredient.
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> Lari`ve also heard a lot about boron and neurones/hpla axis function as well. i have been trying to get ahold of a source higher in boron than my current 3mg per day calcium/magnesium supplement. i`ve heard that 7-9mg per day is the safe upper-limit.
i don`t recall seeing it on there or not, but bioavailable silicon plays a major role in helping boron do it`s job... fortunately for me, there are no extra Calories obtained from drinking lots of oat-straw tea, so i can get *that* nutrient in good-sized doses the natural (well, more or less) way, anyway. and if oat-straw tea has a lot of Cals *i don`t want to hear about it*!!!
~AA
Posted by Larry Hoover on June 16, 2003, at 7:29:00
In reply to Re: vitamin and mineral supplement for mad pigs » Larry Hoover, posted by avid abulia on June 16, 2003, at 0:17:34
> > Just scanning through Pubmed today, I see that boron deficiency blocks sex hormone synthesis, and downregulates the HPA axis. Boron is essential for a number of essential neuronal biochemical processes, as well.
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> > Hmmm....Maybe boron is the special ingredient.
> >
> > Lar
>
> i`ve also heard a lot about boron and neurones/hpla axis function as well. i have been trying to get ahold of a source higher in boron than my current 3mg per day calcium/magnesium supplement. i`ve heard that 7-9mg per day is the safe upper-limit.Actually, the UL is set at 20 mg, but the scientific evidence is that level is probably about 1/1000 of the observable adverse effects level.
There is no currently accepted "essential intake" level for boron, so they fudged all the various bits of info they had, and built in major UFs (uncertainty factors). It's actually a bit comical how they played with the numbers (I just read the whole thing last night).
Lar
Posted by stjames on June 16, 2003, at 11:42:39
In reply to Re: vitamin and mineral supplement for mad pigs, posted by avid abulia on June 15, 2003, at 16:44:03
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> > It is qwackery.
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> the nutrients involved are used in such small quantities that i would seriously doubt it does much at all except to your bank account... besides that, you can get much larger quantities for less dinero if`n` you buy the nutrients seperately and in bulk.Yes, totally. I was not saying nutrients, themselves, are qwackery. Just True Hopes claims, products, and methods.
Posted by avid abulia on June 16, 2003, at 15:03:44
In reply to Re: vitamin and mineral supplement for mad pigs, posted by stjames on June 16, 2003, at 11:42:39
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> > > It is qwackery.
> >[my part deleted]
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> Yes, totally. I was not saying nutrients, themselves, are qwackery. Just True Hopes claims, products, and methods.
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yeah, i didn`t think you were saying nutrients were quackery (i think the late dr. atkins was the only person to ever make that claim, LOL)... i was just agreeing with your assessment of the formula.~AA
Posted by avid abulia on June 16, 2003, at 15:07:19
In reply to Re: vitamin and mineral supplement for mad pigs » avid abulia, posted by Larry Hoover on June 16, 2003, at 7:29:00
> > > Hmmm....Maybe boron is the special ingredient.
> > >
> > > Lar
> >
> > i`ve also heard a lot about boron and neurones/hpla axis function as well. i have been trying to get ahold of a source higher in boron than my current 3mg per day calcium/magnesium supplement. i`ve heard that 7-9mg per day is the safe upper-limit.
>
> Actually, the UL is set at 20 mg, but the scientific evidence is that level is probably about 1/1000 of the observable adverse effects level.
>
> There is no currently accepted "essential intake" level for boron, so they fudged all the various bits of info they had, and built in major UFs (uncertainty factors). It's actually a bit comical how they played with the numbers (I just read the whole thing last night).
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> Larinteresting... i can`t recall my source that said 9mg was the safe UL, but if you can remember your source, i would like to read that as well.
~AA
Posted by Larry Hoover on June 16, 2003, at 15:24:35
In reply to Re: vitamin and mineral supplement for mad pigs » Larry Hoover, posted by avid abulia on June 16, 2003, at 15:07:19
> > Actually, the UL is set at 20 mg, but the scientific evidence is that level is probably about 1/1000 of the observable adverse effects level.
> >
> > There is no currently accepted "essential intake" level for boron, so they fudged all the various bits of info they had, and built in major UFs (uncertainty factors). It's actually a bit comical how they played with the numbers (I just read the whole thing last night).
> >
> > Lar
>
> interesting... i can`t recall my source that said 9mg was the safe UL, but if you can remember your source, i would like to read that as well.
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> ~AAhttp://www.nap.edu/books/0309072794/html/
You'll have to select chapter 13, and scroll through about half-way.
There are a number of other such references for other nutrients at:
http://search.nap.edu/nap-cgi/napsearch.cgi?term=Tolerable+Daily+IntakeVery conservative science......
Lar
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