![[dr. bob]](/dr-bob-sm.gif)
Dr. Bob is Robert Hsiung, MD,
bob@dr-bob.orgShown: posts 1 to 21 of 21. This is the beginning of the thread.
Posted by Boba Fat on June 4, 2003, at 8:08:05
Hi, I live in the UK and use Pikamilone. I know I am paying too much for it and as I am a unemployed and wish to increase my dose, does anyone know where I can order some from for less than the $50 I am paying (including postage) for 60 caps from nu-brain? I read on this forum somewhere that you can buy it a dollar a jar in Russia!?
Posted by Michael Bell on June 4, 2003, at 19:29:18
In reply to Pikamilone, posted by Boba Fat on June 4, 2003, at 8:08:05
> Hi, I live in the UK and use Pikamilone. I know I am paying too much for it and as I am a unemployed and wish to increase my dose, does anyone know where I can order some from for less than the $50 I am paying (including postage) for 60 caps from nu-brain? I read on this forum somewhere that you can buy it a dollar a jar in Russia!?
I don't know about nubrain, but I know you can get 60 100mg caps of xxx caps for around $30 at xxx. Hopefully I won't get reprimanded by dr. bob for telling you this, but I don't think so b/c it's made of GABA and vitamin B, which are very legal in the US. Good luck.
Posted by Boba Fat on June 4, 2003, at 19:33:10
In reply to Re: Pikamilone, posted by Michael Bell on June 4, 2003, at 19:29:18
Hi Michael,
I can't see Dr Bob complaining it is afterall any just an amino acid/vitamin food supplement! As for xxx, they don't deliver to the UK for some reason.
Cheers for the responce anyway. :)
Posted by Michael Bell on June 4, 2003, at 19:40:05
In reply to Re: Pikamilone, posted by Boba Fat on June 4, 2003, at 19:33:10
> Hi Michael,
>
> I can't see Dr Bob complaining it is afterall any just an amino acid/vitamin food supplement! As for xxx, they don't deliver to the UK for some reason.
>
> Cheers for the responce anyway. :)
What about biologicsonline.com? I ordered from them once, can't remember the price. A word of caution, though... when my shipment came, the expiration date for the batch was the same month and year as the date when they arrived. So I have a bunch of extras that are supposedly expired.
Posted by Paulie on June 5, 2003, at 12:51:04
In reply to Pikamilone, posted by Boba Fat on June 4, 2003, at 8:08:05
No need to worry. Picamilon is sold by xxx which is based in San Diego. No U.S. importation problems there. Their price is $29.95 for 60-100mg. caps compared to xxx's price of $34.95 for 60-50mg. caps. Here's the link-
xxxIt appears that picamilon can be legally sold in U.S.
Paul
Posted by Dr. Bob on June 5, 2003, at 18:31:15
In reply to Re: Pikamilone, posted by Michael Bell on June 4, 2003, at 19:29:18
> I know you can get 60 100mg caps of xxx caps for around $30 at xxx. Hopefully I won't get reprimanded by dr. bob for telling you this, but I don't think so b/c it's made of GABA and vitamin B, which are very legal in the US.
Sorry, but that site also sells prescription medication without a prescription, so I'd rather not have information about it exchanged here.
Bob
PS: Follow-ups regarding posting policies should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration, thanks.
Posted by Dr. Bob on June 5, 2003, at 18:38:53
In reply to Re: Pikamilone, posted by Paulie on June 5, 2003, at 12:51:04
> compared to xxx's price of $34.95 for 60-50mg. caps.
Sorry, but that site also sells prescription medication without a prescription, so I'd rather not have information about it exchanged here:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#illegal
Bob
Posted by Larry Hoover on June 5, 2003, at 19:03:33
In reply to Re: medication without a prescription » Paulie, posted by Dr. Bob on June 5, 2003, at 18:38:53
> > compared to xxx's price of $34.95 for 60-50mg. caps.
>
> Sorry, but that site also sells prescription medication without a prescription, so I'd rather not have information about it exchanged here:
>
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#illegal
>
> BobDr. Bob, I don't see anything on the site in question that is illegal, or requires a prescription. I'm confused....
Lar
Posted by Larry Hoover on June 5, 2003, at 19:15:46
In reply to Re: medication without a prescription » Dr. Bob, posted by Larry Hoover on June 5, 2003, at 19:03:33
Posted by Paulie on June 5, 2003, at 21:08:21
In reply to Re: medication without a prescription » Paulie, posted by Dr. Bob on June 5, 2003, at 18:38:53
Posted by Viridis on June 6, 2003, at 1:28:47
In reply to Re: medication without a prescription » Dr. Bob, posted by Larry Hoover on June 5, 2003, at 19:03:33
Just to clarify -- as far as I can tell, Picamilon is perfectly legal in the U.S. (anyone feel free to correct me on this). I've ordered it from one of the sources mentioned before, and it was shipped from within the U.S. Looking at their website now, I do see that they offer other, prescription drugs which are shipped from outside the U.S. (I hadn't even realized this; it's a bit cryptic).
So, I can understand why Dr. Bob is uncomfortable with having this information given out on his site. I do have a couple of questions though -- neither is a criticism of Dr. Bob's policies, I'd just like to know.
1) Picamilon is legal, right?
2) What is the status of the laws on importation of prescription drugs without a prescription? I see conflicting information: some people say a 90 day supply of just about anything can be imported legally, others say that simply isn't so.
I have no intention of ordering any prescription drugs over the internet, and am not asking for any specifics on how to do so. I'm really just curious about what the law actually says, since I've heard so many different stories.
Regardless of the legalities, I do see why Dr. Bob wouldn't want to facilitate use of prescription meds without prescription, just as he wouldn't want advice on methods for committing suicide etc. being exchanged here.
Posted by Boba Fat on June 6, 2003, at 4:20:25
In reply to Re: medication without a prescription » Dr. Bob, posted by Larry Hoover on June 5, 2003, at 19:03:33
Well pikamilone is legal right? I can understand you not wanting advertising on your messageboard and I can understand (to an extent) you not promoting the idea of buying prescription meds without prescriptions (although this method has been the only suitable way of getting hold of useful medications for me) but censoring all the information about a supplement that I get benefit from for my mental problems is a bit harsh, I think. Still its your board.
Posted by Ame Sans Vie on June 6, 2003, at 4:50:12
In reply to Legality of Picamilon and drug importation?, posted by Viridis on June 6, 2003, at 1:28:47
> 1) Picamilon is legal, right?
Perfectly legal, yes. It's considered a dietary supplement.
> 2) What is the status of the laws on importation of prescription drugs without a prescription? I see conflicting information: some people say a 90 day supply of just about anything can be imported legally, others say that simply isn't so.
As far as I know, as long as you have a prescription, it is legal to import a 90-day supply of a controlled substance. Non-controlled drugs, however, I believe are perfectly legal to sell and possess without a prescription. Some of these sites that sell Picamilon *do* sell Provigil though, which is a Schedule IV Controlled Substance, so I can see Dr. Bob's point.
Posted by Paulie on June 6, 2003, at 9:27:28
In reply to Legality of Picamilon and drug importation?, posted by Viridis on June 6, 2003, at 1:28:47
People often confuse the issue of contolled/uncontrolled with FDA approved/non-FDA approved. A controlled substance is one that is listed on the U.S. Drug Enforcement Agency's Schedule of Drugs. These are the ones the can cause physical and/or psychological dependence. This encompasses benzodiazepines to Schedule 1 drugs like LSD,heroin,mescaline. A drug like tetracycline for example is an uncontrolled substance (not a Schedule drug) but it is still FDA approved. For a drug to be sold in U.S. it must be FDA approved. Dietary supplements for sale in the U.S. must also be FDA approved but there is often a notice that the health claims made have not been evaluated by the FDA. There is a PB link (FAQ) which gives the special guidelines necessary for importation of non-FDA approved products.
http://www.fda.gov/ora/import/traveler_alert.htm
Posted by stjames on June 6, 2003, at 13:04:06
In reply to Re: Legality of Picamilon and drug importation?, posted by Paulie on June 6, 2003, at 9:27:28
> People often confuse the issue of contolled/uncontrolled with FDA approved/non-FDA approved.
This is true, & actually "controled" means
any med that requires a doc's script to fill.
All controlled meds are not scheduled meds
but all scheduled meds (2,3,4) are controled
meds. "Scheduled" meds are those that can be abused, and are assigned a schedule 2,3 or 4
depending on the abuse potential vs benifit.
Posted by Paulie on June 6, 2003, at 15:04:55
In reply to Re: Legality of Picamilon and drug importation?, posted by stjames on June 6, 2003, at 13:04:06
Actually, most meds (requiring a script) are non-controlled. Controlled meds are only those that fall into schedule I-V.
http://www.ceri.com/controll.htmhttp://www.public.iastate.edu/~purchasing/procurement/controlled_substances.htm
Definition: Controlled substances are drugs or other substances, both narcotic and non-narcotics, that come under the jurisdiction of the DEA Controlled Substances Act, and are listed in the DEA Controlled Substances Inventory List.
http://www.state.sd.us/doh/pharmacy/Apr03.htm
In the board’s newsletter of April 2001, the board informed pharmacists that it would permit non-controlled prescriptions to be received by electronic transmission and then dispensed.
The DEA discourages the use of electronic transmitted prescriptions for controlled drugs. The DEA does not permit Schedule II controlled substances to be transmitted by electronic means because the ETP contains no required prescriber’s signature.
Schedule III through V prescriptions are permitted as long as the electronic transmitted prescription is verified by the pharmacist with the prescriber before dispensing.
Posted by Paulie on June 6, 2003, at 15:26:51
In reply to Re: Legality of Picamilon and drug importation?, posted by stjames on June 6, 2003, at 13:04:06
Posted by Dr. Bob on June 6, 2003, at 18:06:22
In reply to Dr. Bob, I will comply (nm) » Dr. Bob, posted by Paulie on June 5, 2003, at 21:08:21
Posted by Dr. Bob on June 6, 2003, at 18:09:22
In reply to Re: medication without a prescription » Paulie, posted by Dr. Bob on June 5, 2003, at 18:38:53
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#illegal
BTW, "using this site to exchange information" includes posting email addresses for that purpose...
Bob
Posted by Boba Fat on June 6, 2003, at 18:17:10
In reply to Re: medication without a prescription, posted by Dr. Bob on June 6, 2003, at 18:09:22
Your Call Dr Bob - I shall just have to continuing overspending on my Vitamins! :(
Seriously though, if such things are a problem on this site I shall begrudgingly comply! ;)
Posted by Dr. Bob on June 9, 2003, at 2:07:00
In reply to Re: medication without a prescription, posted by Boba Fat on June 6, 2003, at 18:17:10
This is the end of the thread.
Psycho-Babble Medication | Extras | FAQ
Dr. Bob is Robert Hsiung, MD,
bob@dr-bob.org
Script revised: February 4, 2008
URL: http://www.dr-bob.org/cgi-bin/pb/mget.pl
Copyright 2006-17 Robert Hsiung.
Owned and operated by Dr. Bob LLC and not the University of Chicago.