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Posted by ace on May 23, 2003, at 1:40:25
Just thought I'd tell all you guys that I made the decision to be on Nardil the rest of my life. Only other main med I'll change to would be Parnate. Of course, augmentation will be used.
This medication is simply brilliant - how foolish was I to consider stopping it!
Right now the Nardil happiness has swept over me again...and hour by hour phobic response to derealization phenomena is lessening. The derealization is actually lessening too. Even in my records when I stated Nardil was going I wrote ' It has worked extremely well for depression, very well for anxiety probs, and good for OCD' All the while I was tapering off Nardil something inside was saying 'don't stop Nardil' But I forgot to count my blessings, not my hurts.My remaing 15% or so anxiety and 20-40% OCD will be abolished by another med - probably Zyprexa.
The contrast between how I felt a few days back and now has CONCLUSIVELY PROVEN what majic Nardil is.
The Nardil Heavyweight Champion is back!!!
Ace,Nardil, 60mg, and going UP!
PS, Oh, by the way - if you think I am a little hypomanic your probably right! But thankfully on Nardil there is NOT ONE DROP DEPRESSION that follows. The only problem with the extreme happiness is I tend to smoke a lot! - I smoke more ciggies when I'm happy. But it's not like I go running around naked telling everyone what a genius I am, or anything like that...at the very worst I might just be softtly singing to myself - that is not a crime is it?!
Posted by Dragonslayer on May 23, 2003, at 6:01:16
In reply to NARDIL REIGNS SUPREME!, posted by ace on May 23, 2003, at 1:40:25
Thrilled for ya, man. I was wondering how it was going. Your Lady Nardil had been good to you before, I'm glad she seems to be again. I was thinking about you. Sometimes it helps to know someone gives a ____, well you know! Keep on improving.
Posted by fuji on May 23, 2003, at 17:06:16
In reply to Re: NARDIL REIGNS SUPREME! » ace, posted by Dragonslayer on May 23, 2003, at 6:01:16
Ace,
I love reading your Nardil stories. I hope it continues to be brilliant for you. I am tempted to try it but the weight gain thing would just destroy me.
Please keep posting your wonderful posts Nardil Man.
fuji
Posted by McPac on May 23, 2003, at 19:44:18
In reply to NARDIL REIGNS SUPREME!, posted by ace on May 23, 2003, at 1:40:25
Nice to see you happy again Ace!
Nardil was THE first medicine MANY years ago that worked for me---and it truly DID work like magic (it worked SO well and SO fast that my pdoc at the time didn't believe that it was the Nardil! But it was.) I wasn't on it too long (I was young and didn't want to take any meds...I threw it down the crapper (literally!)....when I got worse again after doing that, the moronic pdoc put me on different crap that was nowhere near as good.....I've never been back on Nardil since then....sometimes I wonder IF I should try it again........the "diet" thing scared me too (I was always afraid of eating something 'wrong' that would cause a reaction)....take care ocd brother!
Posted by lawrence S. on May 23, 2003, at 23:42:35
In reply to Ace, Re: NARDIL REIGNS SUPREME!, posted by McPac on May 23, 2003, at 19:44:18
I agree Ace. It's been about 8 weeks since starting back on Nardil. No more derealization! and I have total remission of SP! It's like Lawrence, time to meet yourself again. Iv'e been away too long. It's nice having me back again!
Oh one other thing dude. Try to stay away from Zyprexa. It's a chemical straitjacket! Give fish oil a try. It works slow and subtle.
Lawrence S.
Posted by ace on May 25, 2003, at 1:04:11
In reply to Re: Ace, Re: NARDIL REIGNS SUPREME!, posted by lawrence S. on May 23, 2003, at 23:42:35
> I agree Ace. It's been about 8 weeks since starting back on Nardil. No more derealization! and I have total remission of SP! It's like Lawrence, time to meet yourself again. Iv'e been away too long. It's nice having me back again!
So So happy for you! We are the Nardil champions!
> Oh one other thing dude. Try to stay away from Zyprexa. It's a chemical straitjacket! Give fish oil a try. It works slow and subtle.
Yeah, I know what you mean...I've always been a bit averse to any AP treatment. I have no idea about this fish oil stuff, but I'll check it out for sure. Otherwise I'm going to plead with my Dr. to try some mood stabilizers.
> Lawrence S.You rule dude! Period. Thanks so much for the support.
Ace.
Posted by ace on May 25, 2003, at 1:12:23
In reply to Ace, Re: NARDIL REIGNS SUPREME!, posted by McPac on May 23, 2003, at 19:44:18
> Nice to see you happy again Ace!
> Nardil was THE first medicine MANY years ago that worked for me---and it truly DID work like magic (it worked SO well and SO fast that my pdoc at the time didn't believe that it was the Nardil! But it was.) I wasn't on it too long (I was young and didn't want to take any meds...I threw it down the crapper (literally!)....when I got worse again after doing that, the moronic pdoc put me on different crap that was nowhere near as good.....I've never been back on Nardil since then....sometimes I wonder IF I should try it again........the "diet" thing scared me too (I was always afraid of eating something 'wrong' that would cause a reaction)....take care ocd brother!I only have a couple of things to say to you...
1. You are a complete legend! You have a very good heart.
2. GET BACK ON NARDIL IF YOU CAN! (and augment if need be)Thankyou so much for your support my friend. I was very angry when one of those 2 posters made fun at you... They must be so strong to attack someone across the net!
Dude, if you ever come to Australia there's a bed at my place for you!!
Peace to you, we'll talk soon. I am well enough to be at uni every day now, so more communication soon. I have no computer at home. It's a real drag being a financially destitute student!Andrew.
Posted by ace on May 25, 2003, at 1:15:04
In reply to Re: NARDIL REIGNS SUPREME! ?ace, posted by Dragonslayer on May 23, 2003, at 6:01:16
> Thrilled for ya, man. I was wondering how it was going. Your Lady Nardil had been good to you before, I'm glad she seems to be again. I was thinking about you. Sometimes it helps to know someone gives a ____, well you know! Keep on improving.
God Bless you bro! The wedding plans are arranged! Nardil and me are officially tying the knot!!!!
Thanks for your caring and take care.
Andrew.
Posted by ace on May 25, 2003, at 1:22:18
In reply to Re: NARDIL REIGNS SUPREME!, posted by fuji on May 23, 2003, at 17:06:16
> Ace,
> I love reading your Nardil stories. I hope it continues to be brilliant for you. I am tempted to try it but the weight gain thing would just destroy me.I don't know....If I was 4 tonne I'd still be on Nardil! Weight gain is not definite, and there's things you can do. Before on Nardil I grew a 'pot belly', but within a week it was gone after (stupidly) stopping Nardil.
The pot belly wasn't too bad...just hope people don't think I'm a big drinker...actually that reminds me...before starting Nardil I was very close to becoming an Alcoholic...The alcohol got me out of the house and stopped the phobic anxiety, also helped the depression (only for as long as I was drunk)...I was drinking far too much. When I started Nardil I stopped. I've only ever got drunk once on 6 months of Nardil. Seriously, I have no need for it...Nardil kills the depression and anxiety enough. And I was so worried before starting Nardil about the restrictions on Alcohol consumption (because of being on Nardil)!!!!
> Please keep posting your wonderful posts Nardil Man.
> fujiMore posts to come legend!!!!!
Ace.
Posted by akston on March 1, 2007, at 7:21:39
In reply to Re: NARDIL REIGNS SUPREME! » fuji, posted by ace on May 25, 2003, at 1:22:18
fuji, (or anyone who knows)
How long must one wait to begin Nardil treatment after a long period (two months) of drinking.
Can I start Nardil 12 hours after my last beer? Of course I understand I won't be able to drink once I am on Nardil.
> > Ace,
> > I love reading your Nardil stories. I hope it continues to be brilliant for you. I am tempted to try it but the weight gain thing would just destroy me.
>
> I don't know....If I was 4 tonne I'd still be on Nardil! Weight gain is not definite, and there's things you can do. Before on Nardil I grew a 'pot belly', but within a week it was gone after (stupidly) stopping Nardil.
>
> The pot belly wasn't too bad...just hope people don't think I'm a big drinker...actually that reminds me...before starting Nardil I was very close to becoming an Alcoholic...The alcohol got me out of the house and stopped the phobic anxiety, also helped the depression (only for as long as I was drunk)...I was drinking far too much. When I started Nardil I stopped. I've only ever got drunk once on 6 months of Nardil. Seriously, I have no need for it...Nardil kills the depression and anxiety enough. And I was so worried before starting Nardil about the restrictions on Alcohol consumption (because of being on Nardil)!!!!
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> > Please keep posting your wonderful posts Nardil Man.
> > fuji
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> More posts to come legend!!!!!
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> Ace.
Posted by psychobot5000 on March 1, 2007, at 11:41:56
In reply to Re: NARDIL REIGNS SUPREME! » fuji, posted by akston on March 1, 2007, at 7:21:39
> fuji, (or anyone who knows)
>
> How long must one wait to begin Nardil treatment after a long period (two months) of drinking.
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> Can I start Nardil 12 hours after my last beer? Of course I understand I won't be able to drink once I am on Nardil.
>I don't know the exact number of hours, but it shouldn't be long. I'm sure that you could start Nardil 36 hours after your last beer--it ought to be all out of your system by then. I seriously doubt if there would be a problem starting it 12 hours later, either.
I'm not certain, by the way, that you can't drink while on Nardil. Some beers and wines have tyramine, of course, from the fermentation, so you have to avoid those in order to avoid blood-pressure issues, but they tend to be expensive, microwbrewed beers, or ones on 'tap.' And I believe some types of wine are okay, too. ...The thing to do, I believee, is to check specifically into the types of alcoholic drink, so you know how much tyramine they have per bottle, and limit your intake to a certain number of sealed bottles/cans/whatever of that type.
Alcohol does have a reputation for blocking the effect of antidepressants, but I don't know how good the evidence for that is, or whether it applies to MAO inhibitors.
P-bot
Posted by FredPotter on March 2, 2007, at 21:16:26
In reply to Re: NARDIL REIGNS SUPREME!, posted by psychobot5000 on March 1, 2007, at 11:41:56
This is an optimistic thread! I've taken all the SSRIs and many TCAs but my anxiety/depression is unaffected. What's the deal with weight gain on Nardil? I was given Zyprexa a year ago but quickly stopped because of weight gain and loss of control of blood sugar (I'm a mild diabetic - if there be such a thing). This didn't seem to be caused by increased appetite. Anyway, my blood sugar and weight don't seem to have recovered since stopping Z (about 8 months ago). Could be cos I'm a lazy slob though. Actually an exhausted, depressed slob.
I was given Marplan many years ago and that caused weight gain and didn't work, although perhaps I wasn't on it long enough. Can any kind person tell me if Nardil is likely to succeed where these other things haven't, and without weight and diabetic problems?
Bye
Fred
Posted by gardenergirl on March 2, 2007, at 21:38:43
In reply to Re: NARDIL REIGNS SUPREME!, posted by FredPotter on March 2, 2007, at 21:16:26
Nardil has been a godsend for me, and right now I'm enjoying being depression-free for the first time in a very long time. But---weight gain has been an issue for me. A big one. It's stabilized, perhaps thanks to Provigil. If I gained any more than I already have, I'd seriously have to reconsider even though it's working well right now, because I'd worry about my health.
It's always been a balance between the positive effects and the weight gain. I came close to tipping towards the weight gain being too much. But not now.
Wish I had more positive info to report.
namaste
gg
Posted by Jedi on March 7, 2007, at 1:13:46
In reply to Re: NARDIL REIGNS SUPREME! » FredPotter, posted by gardenergirl on March 2, 2007, at 21:38:43
> Nardil has been a godsend for me, and right now I'm enjoying being depression-free for the first time in a very long time. But---weight gain has been an issue for me. A big one. It's stabilized, perhaps thanks to Provigil. If I gained any more than I already have, I'd seriously have to reconsider even though it's working well right now, because I'd worry about my health.
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> It's always been a balance between the positive effects and the weight gain. I came close to tipping towards the weight gain being too much. But not now.
>
> Wish I had more positive info to report.
>
> namaste
>
> ggHi gg,
I sure wish my MD would have tried Provigil with my Nardil. It seems like a natural fit to help control the weight gain and daytime somnolence. But, he just was not comfortable doing it. I want to keep the guy because he will usually go along with my suggestions for augmentation, etc. I just provide him with a bunch of studies so he can cover his a**. Nardil is the only med that has ever worked for my treatment resistant atypical depression. I'm hoping, since this time, I did a fairly fast withdrawal and washout before starting on Parnate; that I can get my MAO inhibition back up before the major depression returns. I just have to get a handle on this weight thing before it really starts affecting my health. I went from 205 to 310 from a combination of atypical depression and Nardil. I'm down to 280, but I really need to take off 50 pounds to get a start towards being healthy again and avoid the long term cosequences of obesity.
Take care and be well,
Jedi
Posted by gardenergirl on March 8, 2007, at 8:27:59
In reply to Re: NARDIL REIGNS SUPREME! » gardenergirl, posted by Jedi on March 7, 2007, at 1:13:46
It sounds like you have a good attitude about it all. Good luck with the change to Parnate and working on the weight. Maybe someday they'll come out with something as effective as MAOI's without all the side effects.
namaste
gg
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