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Posted by denise529 on April 20, 2003, at 5:41:29
Hi,
I've been taking Nardil now for just over two weeks, started at 45mg and now at 90mg. I quite like the relaxed feeling but I just don't feel with it at all, I don't feel worried about anything, my memory feels impaired will this feeling pass? Also, although I don't feel depressed I don't feel anything at all.
Denise
Posted by cosis on April 20, 2003, at 8:24:52
In reply to Nardil - Don't feel with it, posted by denise529 on April 20, 2003, at 5:41:29
> Hi,
>
> I've been taking Nardil now for just over two weeks, started at 45mg and now at 90mg. I quite like the relaxed feeling but I just don't feel with it at all, I don't feel worried about anything, my memory feels impaired will this feeling pass? Also, although I don't feel depressed I don't feel anything at all.
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> Denise
Give it more time - I had to wait a little over 4 weeks :)
Posted by denise529 on April 20, 2003, at 10:14:20
In reply to Re: Nardil - Don't feel with it, posted by cosis on April 20, 2003, at 8:24:52
Cosis,
Yes but Cosis, how did you feel when you first started taking it? I feel really wierd, like unable to feel worried about anything, not motivated and my memory seems impaired.
Did you feel like this when you first started it?
Denise
Posted by cosis on April 20, 2003, at 11:01:09
In reply to Re: Nardil - Don't feel with it, posted by denise529 on April 20, 2003, at 10:14:20
> Cosis,
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> Yes but Cosis, how did you feel when you first started taking it? I feel really wierd, like unable to feel worried about anything, not motivated and my memory seems impaired.
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> Did you feel like this when you first started it?
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> Denise
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Well I would kind of put anxiety and constant worry in the same boat... Nardil is used for social anxiety so perhaps it is working on your worriness?Went it kicked in for me I felt more motivated right away which eventually tapered down.. I still do not have a problem with motivation to much... I did have some short-term memory loss but I do not notice a problem anymore...
Posted by MelD on April 20, 2003, at 11:10:55
In reply to Nardil - Don't feel with it, posted by denise529 on April 20, 2003, at 5:41:29
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I had a similar experience with Nardil, Denise. I didnt feel depressed, but i had what i called "brain fog" and felt flat and detached. I took it for only 4wks, which is probably not a fair trial period, but i got tired of feeling that way and switched to Parnate, which is working really well for me now.
Hi,
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> I've been taking Nardil now for just over two weeks, started at 45mg and now at 90mg. I quite like the relaxed feeling but I just don't feel with it at all, I don't feel worried about anything, my memory feels impaired will this feeling pass? Also, although I don't feel depressed I don't feel anything at all.
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> Denise
Posted by Matt Miklos on April 20, 2003, at 12:41:31
In reply to Re: Nardil - Don't feel with it, posted by MelD on April 20, 2003, at 11:10:55
I'm having the same problem with Nardil. I take 60mg for depression and SP, and I'm very foggy and sluggish most of the time. I forget stuff all the time. I've been on this dose for almost 2 months, and no sign of improvement. I want to try Parnate, because Nardil is bad for my motivation, but will Parnate cause me to be more nervous around people than Nardil? I
Posted by cosis on April 20, 2003, at 12:43:31
In reply to Re: Nardil - Don't feel with it, posted by Matt Miklos on April 20, 2003, at 12:41:31
> I'm having the same problem with Nardil. I take 60mg for depression and SP, and I'm very foggy and sluggish most of the time. I forget stuff all the time. I've been on this dose for almost 2 months, and no sign of improvement. I want to try Parnate, because Nardil is bad for my motivation, but will Parnate cause me to be more nervous around people than Nardil? I
60mg isn't enough to receive the full effects of Nardil with social anxiety, 75mg-90mg would be ideal... It works wonders for my social anxiety and related depression.. Parnate should work well also but not quite known to work as well with social anxiety as Nardil does...
Posted by djmmm on April 21, 2003, at 20:03:09
In reply to Re: Nardil - Don't feel with it, posted by cosis on April 20, 2003, at 12:43:31
> > I'm having the same problem with Nardil. I take 60mg for depression and SP, and I'm very foggy and sluggish most of the time. I forget stuff all the time. I've been on this dose for almost 2 months, and no sign of improvement. I want to try Parnate, because Nardil is bad for my motivation, but will Parnate cause me to be more nervous around people than Nardil? I
>
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> 60mg isn't enough to receive the full effects of Nardil with social anxiety, 75mg-90mg would be ideal... It works wonders for my social anxiety and related depression.. Parnate should work well also but not quite known to work as well with social anxiety as Nardil does...
>I'm sorry cosis, but you consistantly perpetuate this myth that high, or very high doses of Nardil is needed for social anxiety. This is false, and leads people to believe that they must take a dose, a very high dose. I feel that this is irresponsible on your part.
Most people find complete relief or substantial relief at the 45-60mg range.. touting very high doses of meds like phenelzine is not based on any real science, and leads to increased incidences of adverse effects/side-effects, and further perpetuates the negative stigma attached this class of meds.
FWIW, Nardil is considered preferable to Parnate simply because of the extensive research associated with social anxiety
Some reputable anti-anxiety programs, even prefer Parnate to Nardil.
I have been on both, and at reasonable doses Nardil (60mg) and Parnate (40mg) and I am depression and social phobia free. Some of the adverse effects the original poster was discussing may be certainly due to the dose she is taking
Posted by cosis on April 21, 2003, at 22:26:36
In reply to Re: Nardil - Don't feel with it, posted by djmmm on April 21, 2003, at 20:03:09
> > > I'm having the same problem with Nardil. I take 60mg for depression and SP, and I'm very foggy and sluggish most of the time. I forget stuff all the time. I've been on this dose for almost 2 months, and no sign of improvement. I want to try Parnate, because Nardil is bad for my motivation, but will Parnate cause me to be more nervous around people than Nardil? I
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> > 60mg isn't enough to receive the full effects of Nardil with social anxiety, 75mg-90mg would be ideal... It works wonders for my social anxiety and related depression.. Parnate should work well also but not quite known to work as well with social anxiety as Nardil does...
> >
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> I'm sorry cosis, but you consistantly perpetuate this myth that high, or very high doses of Nardil is needed for social anxiety. This is false, and leads people to believe that they must take a dose, a very high dose. I feel that this is irresponsible on your part.
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> Most people find complete relief or substantial relief at the 45-60mg range.. touting very high doses of meds like phenelzine is not based on any real science, and leads to increased incidences of adverse effects/side-effects, and further perpetuates the negative stigma attached this class of meds.
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> FWIW, Nardil is considered preferable to Parnate simply because of the extensive research associated with social anxiety
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> Some reputable anti-anxiety programs, even prefer Parnate to Nardil.
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> I have been on both, and at reasonable doses Nardil (60mg) and Parnate (40mg) and I am depression and social phobia free. Some of the adverse effects the original poster was discussing may be certainly due to the dose she is taking
Increasing the dose might make all the difference as it did in my case. Numerous people I have chatted with have also found increasing the dosage was the key.Neither of us are exactly right. Everyone is differnet. Higher/Lower doses could work for some and not for others.
Posted by ace on April 21, 2003, at 23:33:03
In reply to Nardil - Don't feel with it, posted by denise529 on April 20, 2003, at 5:41:29
> Hi,
>
> I've been taking Nardil now for just over two weeks, started at 45mg and now at 90mg. I quite like the relaxed feeling but I just don't feel with it at all, I don't feel worried about anything, my memory feels impaired will this feeling pass? Also, although I don't feel depressed I don't feel anything at all.
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> DeniseHi Denise!,
I wouldn't worry too much about this YET - you are too early into treatment. When starting Nardil I had some strange sensations and others which were the opposite of which i wound up getting from Nardil. You have also hit a very high dose very early (which definately isn't all bad), which could be causing this.
For now I would patiently bide my time and give it at least another 2-4 weeks before making any decisions.
Good Luck MAOI sister!
Ace.
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