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Posted by linkadge on March 9, 2003, at 18:23:49
I've been off Celexa for 2 months now,
and on Lithium 900mg which I take
all at bedtime. In the mornings I
am slow. I move into a state of extreme
irritability, and anger (ie nobody knows
how smart I am) After ripping papers to
shreads, the rage breaks, and turns
to tears. After this is apathy and
now 7:22 pm I'm happy.My mood was more even when I took
lithium breakfast lunch and dinner. But
I simply could not concentrate. Will this
even out?I'm new to this bipolar thing.
I just want to go back to how
I felt on Celexa.Any ideas?
Linkadge
Posted by KrissyP on March 9, 2003, at 22:59:18
In reply to Am I Rapic Cycling , posted by linkadge on March 9, 2003, at 18:23:49
Hi, I had been diagnosed by a pdoc at UCI in CA, with rapid cycling when I was 25 (1995)and what you describe here, I experienced also (rage, then cry) May I ask why you went off of the Celexa? That was the only other SSRI that worked for me in addition to other meds (no decreased sexual drive, no mania, no "foggy" feeling, and no weight gain)
Can you ask your doc if you can go back to taking Lithium at breakfast, lunch, and dinner-maybe at a lower dose?
Hang in there-we are here for you, please keep us posted.
Did this help? *hugs to you*
Kristen==============================================================================================I've been off Celexa for 2 months now,
and on Lithium 900mg which I take
all at bedtime. In the mornings I
am slow. I move into a state of extreme
irritability, and anger (ie nobody knows
how smart I am) After ripping papers to
shreads, the rage breaks, and turns
to tears. After this is apathy and
now 7:22 pm I'm happy.
My mood was more even when I took
lithium breakfast lunch and dinner. But
I simply could not concentrate. Will this
even out?
I'm new to this bipolar thing.
I just want to go back to how
I felt on Celexa.Any ideas?
Linkadge
Posted by Ritch on March 10, 2003, at 10:35:53
In reply to Am I Rapic Cycling , posted by linkadge on March 9, 2003, at 18:23:49
> I've been off Celexa for 2 months now,
> and on Lithium 900mg which I take
> all at bedtime. In the mornings I
> am slow. I move into a state of extreme
> irritability, and anger (ie nobody knows
> how smart I am) After ripping papers to
> shreads, the rage breaks, and turns
> to tears. After this is apathy and
> now 7:22 pm I'm happy.
>
> My mood was more even when I took
> lithium breakfast lunch and dinner. But
> I simply could not concentrate. Will this
> even out?
>
> I'm new to this bipolar thing.
> I just want to go back to how
> I felt on Celexa.
>
> Any ideas?
>
>
> LinkadgeWould you consider adding some Depakote for the rage? That sequence of temper spell, feeling sad, then apathy sounds awfully familiar. Depakote is the only thing I've been on that seems to work specifically for the hostility (as good as an AP). Also, just going back on a small dose of Celexa might be all it would take to chill you out. Some folks (even bipolar ones) respond well to a little SSRI for anger.
Posted by Jack Smith on March 10, 2003, at 12:24:04
In reply to Am I Rapic Cycling , posted by linkadge on March 9, 2003, at 18:23:49
> I've been off Celexa for 2 months now,
WHY??
> I'm new to this bipolar thing.
What do you mean "new to this bipolar thing"? ARE YOU BIPOLAR? OR did some doc just decide that you were bipolar (or more probably bipolar II)? Why were you diagnosed as such? BE SURE you can answer that question quickly because if you can't there is a problem. I can tell you in two seconds, why I was diagnosed with depression. Because I am depressed.
> I just want to go back to how
> I felt on Celexa.Again, why off Celexa? If you felt good on it, why did you come off it?
> Any ideas?
Go back on Celexa monotherapy.
Posted by linkadge on March 10, 2003, at 20:41:50
In reply to Are you really BiPolar????? » linkadge, posted by Jack Smith on March 10, 2003, at 12:24:04
After finishing fall exams I was naturally
elated. It seemed the elation turned into
a strange feeling that I cannot describe.
Nomatter what I did, it was not enough. Perhaps
I had done it the wrong way. Perhaps this
is not what the teacher really wants.I tore up, (what I realize now) were
very well prepared. It was as if God
were putting an idea into my head
and not letting it go.
One thing was that I perviously raised my
fish oil dose to 6 g's Perhaps this pushed
me over the edge. I thought It was a mood
stabalizer?Anyway it was on lithium and off celexa, and
ever since the rage has been unbearable.
Just wanting to take them and hit them
repeatedly over and over and over and over.
YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND, THIS IS NOT WHO I AMLinkadge
Posted by Maximus on March 10, 2003, at 22:21:41
In reply to Re: Are you really BiPolar?????, posted by linkadge on March 10, 2003, at 20:41:50
> One thing was that I perviously raised my
> fish oil dose to 6 g's Perhaps this pushed
> me over the edge. I thought It was a mood
> stabalizer?Hi Link,
Last summer i wanted to reduce the dose of my meds and i tried fish oil. Result: I was WORSE with this bastard oil. I became very anxious and insomniac... I got off fish oil and rechallenged it. Same thing. The brand of oil was Jamieson Omega 3. The doses i've tried were: 500 mg, 1000 mg and 5000 mg of EPA.
So my point is, you are probably destabilized as i was with this stupid big horse's pills. So do you a favor and get off this nasty stuff. You have nothing to lose.
And for the main tread, yes you look like you shift rapidly BUT in the depression phase only, or almost. Your irritability and anger are probably part of your depression. Your "slowness" of the morning is another footprint of the depression. This is my opinion and it's worth what it's worth.
Good luck!
Max.
Posted by catmint on March 11, 2003, at 0:06:59
In reply to Re: Are you really BiPolar?????, posted by linkadge on March 10, 2003, at 20:41:50
> After finishing fall exams I was naturally
> elated. It seemed the elation turned into
> a strange feeling that I cannot describe.
> Nomatter what I did, it was not enough. Perhaps
> I had done it the wrong way. Perhaps this
> is not what the teacher really wants.
>
> I tore up, (what I realize now) were
> very well prepared. It was as if God
> were putting an idea into my head
> and not letting it go.
> One thing was that I perviously raised my
> fish oil dose to 6 g's Perhaps this pushed
> me over the edge. I thought It was a mood
> stabalizer?
>
> Anyway it was on lithium and off celexa, and
> ever since the rage has been unbearable.
> Just wanting to take them and hit them
> repeatedly over and over and over and over.
> YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND, THIS IS NOT WHO I AM
>
> Linkadge
>Linkadge,
Please make an emergency appt. to see your pdoc. Tell him exactly how you are feeling (sometimes you need to write it down, so you don't leave anything out). If you feel that you are not getting the approprite care, do what you can to see another doctor.
Do you have anyone to help you?
Have you tried any anti-psychotic meds like Olanzapine (zyprexa). That helped me once when I was rageful and breaking things.
I have been reading your posts here for for a while and it seems that you are struggling a lot. Please change doctors if you can (or have you already?)
I hope you get better soon,
::Amy
Posted by KrissyP on March 11, 2003, at 0:35:41
In reply to Re: Fish oil made me worse!!! » linkadge, posted by Maximus on March 10, 2003, at 22:21:41
IMHO, just eat fish-it stays in one's body longer, and you can get enough of a benefit from not even taking the supplements-sorry but I'm a non-believer on the fish oil stuff!
> > One thing was that I perviously raised my
> > fish oil dose to 6 g's Perhaps this pushed
> > me over the edge. I thought It was a mood
> > stabalizer?
>
> Hi Link,
>
> Last summer i wanted to reduce the dose of my meds and i tried fish oil. Result: I was WORSE with this bastard oil. I became very anxious and insomniac... I got off fish oil and rechallenged it. Same thing. The brand of oil was Jamieson Omega 3. The doses i've tried were: 500 mg, 1000 mg and 5000 mg of EPA.
>
> So my point is, you are probably destabilized as i was with this stupid big horse's pills. So do you a favor and get off this nasty stuff. You have nothing to lose.
>
> And for the main tread, yes you look like you shift rapidly BUT in the depression phase only, or almost. Your irritability and anger are probably part of your depression. Your "slowness" of the morning is another footprint of the depression. This is my opinion and it's worth what it's worth.
>
> Good luck!
>
>
> Max.
>
>
Posted by KrissyP on March 11, 2003, at 0:42:18
In reply to Re: Are you really BiPolar?????, posted by linkadge on March 10, 2003, at 20:41:50
ok-I read the earlier post, before this one.
I hear you on this. I am freaking as I write this becasue I am giung to fail this final and prove what a dope I am. WHY DO I FEEL THIS WAY. This can't happen. I need to chill. I just took my night meds-all of them. Somehow, I feel like shouting NO we can do this linkadge-man we can fight this battle, we have the power. This is real but I also think it is my mania AGAIN:-( damnit.
I'm here for you buddy the best I can beKristen
==================================================================================================> After finishing fall exams I was naturally
> elated. It seemed the elation turned into
> a strange feeling that I cannot describe.
> Nomatter what I did, it was not enough. Perhaps
> I had done it the wrong way. Perhaps this
> is not what the teacher really wants.
>
> I tore up, (what I realize now) were
> very well prepared. It was as if God
> were putting an idea into my head
> and not letting it go.
> One thing was that I perviously raised my
> fish oil dose to 6 g's Perhaps this pushed
> me over the edge. I thought It was a mood
> stabalizer?
>
> Anyway it was on lithium and off celexa, and
> ever since the rage has been unbearable.
> Just wanting to take them and hit them
> repeatedly over and over and over and over.
> YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND, THIS IS NOT WHO I AM
>
> Linkadge
>
Posted by linkadge on March 11, 2003, at 11:48:25
In reply to Re: Are you really BiPolar????? » linkadge, posted by KrissyP on March 11, 2003, at 0:42:18
I took 10mg of Celexa this morning, I
am feeling much better. Not manic
just better.Can't talk rigt now and am going to doctor
on friday. Will post later.Linkadge
Posted by Krissy P on March 11, 2003, at 15:01:52
In reply to THanks for support, posted by linkadge on March 11, 2003, at 11:48:25
Posted by zero on March 12, 2003, at 11:36:03
In reply to Re: Are you really BiPolar?????, posted by linkadge on March 10, 2003, at 20:41:50
> After finishing fall exams I was naturally
> elated. It seemed the elation turned into
> a strange feeling that I cannot describe.
> Nomatter what I did, it was not enough. Perhaps
> I had done it the wrong way. Perhaps this
> is not what the teacher really wants.
>
> I tore up, (what I realize now) were
> very well prepared. It was as if God
> were putting an idea into my head
> and not letting it go.
> One thing was that I perviously raised my
> fish oil dose to 6 g's Perhaps this pushed
> me over the edge. I thought It was a mood
> stabalizer?
>
> Anyway it was on lithium and off celexa, and
> ever since the rage has been unbearable.
> Just wanting to take them and hit them
> repeatedly over and over and over and over.
> YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND, THIS IS NOT WHO I AM
>
> Linkadge
>
All 5 brands of fish oil I've tried have eventually (usually within a week) made me hypomanic, and if I keep taking it, I move towards more true manic and "mixed states" kick in (irritable/angry).This, while not taking any antidepressant.
An interesting brief read on this phenomenon:
http://archpsyc.ama-assn.org/issues/v57n7/ffull/ylt0700-3.html
Hoping things get better quickly,
zero
Posted by kkris on August 28, 2003, at 18:47:24
In reply to Re: Fish oil made me worse!!! » linkadge, posted by Maximus on March 10, 2003, at 22:21:41
I have been on the fish oil for two weeks now and I feel worse too. Considerably worse. This is the first time since being off my meds that I've felt any significant stirs of my depression (anxiety, insomnia, horrible self-talk automatically playing inside my head). I feel so much better that I found I'm not the only one. I will stop taking it right now!
Sam-e, on the other hand, has been helping me to maintain my depression, sans antidepressants, for over two months now. Until the fish oil. Did everyone's worsening fish-oil depression stuff go away when they went off? And what does everyone think of Sam-e?
> > One thing was that I perviously raised my
> > fish oil dose to 6 g's Perhaps this pushed
> > me over the edge. I thought It was a mood
> > stabalizer?
>
> Hi Link,
>
> Last summer i wanted to reduce the dose of my meds and i tried fish oil. Result: I was WORSE with this bastard oil. I became very anxious and insomniac... I got off fish oil and rechallenged it. Same thing. The brand of oil was Jamieson Omega 3. The doses i've tried were: 500 mg, 1000 mg and 5000 mg of EPA.
>
> So my point is, you are probably destabilized as i was with this stupid big horse's pills. So do you a favor and get off this nasty stuff. You have nothing to lose.
>
> And for the main tread, yes you look like you shift rapidly BUT in the depression phase only, or almost. Your irritability and anger are probably part of your depression. Your "slowness" of the morning is another footprint of the depression. This is my opinion and it's worth what it's worth.
>
> Good luck!
>
>
> Max.
>
>
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