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Posted by ace on January 20, 2003, at 22:48:46
Nardil is amazing. Things are just getting better and better. Happiness, motivation, derealization and phobic response almost gone. It's now started to wipe out my OCD. A few more weeks at 90mg will see the OCD gone. Whoever invented Nardil deserves The Nobel Prize. I mean, I've got a grin from ear to ear!
One more qstn...
I've noticing I'm not eating any more on Nardil. I maybe noticed very slight weight gain. If I don't eat a lot I shouldn't put on any weight. Right? Or does it actually slow the metabolism, making you put on weight regardless of what/how much you eat?
Posted by Tepiaca on January 21, 2003, at 0:17:02
In reply to I AM THE CHAMPION OF NARDIL!- one more question, posted by ace on January 20, 2003, at 22:48:46
Hi ,you are making me wishing to stwitch to Nardil
How is your sex drive????
DO you have SP ???
DO you follow strictly the diet????
DO you have friends , girlfriend???
Wich other drugs have you used before the nardil??? is this the best one????
Posted by cosis on January 21, 2003, at 0:31:21
In reply to I AM THE CHAMPION OF NARDIL!- one more question, posted by ace on January 20, 2003, at 22:48:46
That is a tough one to answer, I didn't actually notice any weight gain until I started to over eat on carbs. I had a major craving for sweet foods (waffles w/ syrup, pb & j's, chocolate, milk, etc.) I found myself sometimes eating 8 waffles doused in syrup with lots of milk in a matter of a half hour. After gaining about 10 pounds (which happened quickly) I started lifting weights and cutting back my calorie intake to 2200. This helped my get back into shape although I was skinny before Nardil so 10 pounds put me at an average weight for my height.
I would suggest if you notice yourself starting to over eat to try your hardest to cut back. I allow myself 1 day a week to eat however much of something I want. Also if your not already try to exercise, the Nardil should give you an energy boost.
Good luck
nick
Posted by cosis on January 21, 2003, at 0:39:40
In reply to Re: I AM THE CHAMPION OF NARDIL!- one more question, posted by Tepiaca on January 21, 2003, at 0:17:02
Dont mean to answer aces question but I will throw in my experience..
How is your sex drive???? Definately not what it was. However I still would consider it medicore. Went through a 4 month halt in obtaining orgams but it DID come back, one of the happiest day's LOL, never would I thought I would be jumping around the room :)
DO you have SP ??? Yes
DO you follow strictly the diet???? No - I do cheat, although I tried things in moderation before and still a avoid the dangerous foods (aged cheeses, meats, pea pods, listed drugsetc.) I have still eaten chocolate, caffeine, pizza, alcohol (spelling?) Although this is just me..
DO you have friends , girlfriend??? I have a few friends now, I didn't have any for awhile before I started Nardil. I also am starting to get a confidence level to talk to girls, but I still have not asked one out *yet* but I know I am getting there. :) I definately talk a lot more and share my feelings..
Wich other drugs have you used before the nardil??? is this the best one???? I actually started with Nardil so I can't answer this. But I would consider in my opinion the MAO Nardil or Parnate the best drugs for anxiety/depression. My doctor offered my to try Paxil if the food restrictions bothered me but they don't.
-Nick
Posted by ace on January 21, 2003, at 1:11:14
In reply to Re: I AM THE CHAMPION OF NARDIL!- one more question, posted by cosis on January 21, 2003, at 0:39:40
> Dont mean to answer aces question but I will throw in my experience..
> How dare you!!! Just kidding, Nick!
> How is your sex drive???? Definately not what it was. However I still would consider it medicore. Went through a 4 month halt in obtaining orgams but it DID come back, one of the happiest day's LOL, never would I thought I would be jumping around the room :)
Nick -- this big orgsm, how long did it take?
I tried the other night for 8 hours!! No go!!!
I had success a couple of weeks ago, but even my most questionable video material can't get me there!!!!>
> DO you have SP ??? Yes
>
> DO you follow strictly the diet???? No - I do cheat, although I tried things in moderation before and still a avoid the dangerous foods (aged cheeses, meats, pea pods, listed drugsetc.) I have still eaten chocolate, caffeine, pizza, alcohol (spelling?) Although this is just me..
>
> DO you have friends , girlfriend??? I have a few friends now, I didn't have any for awhile before I started Nardil. I also am starting to get a confidence level to talk to girls, but I still have not asked one out *yet* but I know I am getting there. :) I definately talk a lot more and share my feelings..
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> Wich other drugs have you used before the nardil??? is this the best one???? I actually started with Nardil so I can't answer this. But I would consider in my opinion the MAO Nardil or Parnate the best drugs for anxiety/depression. My doctor offered my to try Paxil if the food restrictions bothered me but they don't.How refreshing -- straight to Nardil. The diet dosen't annoy me. Hey Nick -- have you heard about Paxil's withdrawal syndrome? Not preety at all.
> -Nick
>Keep in touch, Nick
Andrew (Ace)
Posted by ace on January 21, 2003, at 1:37:31
In reply to Re: I AM THE CHAMPION OF NARDIL!- one more question, posted by Tepiaca on January 21, 2003, at 0:17:02
> Hi ,you are making me wishing to stwitch to Nardil
That's good! It's underused, and it's a disgrace that so many doctors don't use it when it is so unbelievably efficacious.
> How is your sex drive????This is interesting. When I first started It raised a lot. Then it lowered. Then it raised again. . Then anorgasmia set in. Then it raised but I couldn't do anything cause of anorgasmia. at different doses I think when this happened. Now, on 90mg, it just has started to lower significantly. I don't care. I'll have Nardil anyday. The anorgasmia will pass anyway, just as it did with Csosis.
> DO you have SP ???Yes I do. Not as much as some and not as pervasive. But yes, I definately do have some unequivocal SP symptoms.
> DO you follow strictly the diet????
Yes, but there's nothing to follow!!!! The only thing I really have to avoid is cheese. Havent noticed the diet really.
> DO you have friends , girlfriend???
Yeah, a few good friends, but I always have been an outsider. Girlfriend a few years back but a real long dry patch past few years.
> Wich other drugs have you used before the nardil??? is this the best one????
A lot of Antipsychotics (Mellaril, Navene, etc etc) (I am not psychotic but there is no approved drug at all for derealization/depersonalization d/o. That's why doctors try them) -- these made my anxiety/derealization much worse.
Luvox -- insomnia.
Zoloft -- minimally helped OCD. No help with anxiety/fear/derealization/phobic anxiety/depression (which is strange cause this crap drug made the fear/anxiety/derealization/phobic anxiety/depression much worse on withdrawal. So it didn't help it while on the drug, but makes it worse when off it! Great work Pfizer!!!!)
Anafranil -- Made derealization/phobic anxiety/fear worse.Diazepam (PRN)(the standard benzo) -- helps phobic anxiety (Not as much as Nardil), no help for OCD or derealization)
Some of these trials were short. I think I've tried more but I'm at my uni library with no personal records.
Finally, is Nardil the best drug? Nardil is THE ULTIMATE. After 10 years of suffering from extreme Anxiety Disorders (for which I have been hospitalised before) Nardil has given me peace. I have just started 90mg and when the higher dose kicks in there will be 100% relief. It has worked EXTREMELY well thus far -- wiping out ANY depression, apathy, anhedonia, etc by 98%. It has wiped out phobic anxiety by 85% (which was EXTREMELY severe in the past)and deralization by 90% (I never imagagined this happening) It has wiped out OCD 70% (I can't believe that some of my past obsessions are now felt as meaningless) And when it 90mg kicks in these figures are going to be 100% I just have a gut 100% certainty about this.Nardil has quite simply made me a very, very happy person. I feel in absoloute awe of its efficacy and am grateful to those who still believe in it and make it available.
Anymore questions I will answer!
Posted by cosis on January 21, 2003, at 7:33:30
In reply to Re: I AM THE CHAMPION OF NARDIL!- one more question » cosis, posted by ace on January 21, 2003, at 1:11:14
Nick -- this big orgsm, how long did it take?
I tried the other night for 8 hours!! No go!!!
I had success a couple of weeks ago, but even my most questionable video material can't get me there!!!!>>>>>>>It took a regular amount of time, like maybe 10 minutes.. Now I am able to orgasm like before. Before I had one I could feel it getting closer and closer and eventually I had one. Watch how long you try, your skin will start to get irritated !
Nick
Posted by djmmm on January 21, 2003, at 8:14:27
In reply to Re: I AM THE CHAMPION OF NARDIL!- one more question » Tepiaca, posted by ace on January 21, 2003, at 1:37:31
I so happy for you! I have been trying to convince people here to AT LEAST consider Nardil... Your response to this drug is NOT uncommon, It happend to me. After a few weeks on Nardil I considered myself "cured" from social phobia..not in the lethargic, anesthetized way that other meds created, but truely free. It was a profound experience.
As far as the diet, you said you have eaten Pizza, chocolate, alcohol...the great majority of people on MAOIs CAN eat/drink these things. I have never met anyone who had a response to chocolate, pizza... or beer for that matter.
I hope everyone reads your post, maybe then, the negative stigma of MAOIs being the deadliest, most difficult, and annoying meds will finally be squashed.
Posted by Jack Smith on January 21, 2003, at 12:02:49
In reply to Re: I AM THE CHAMPION OF NARDIL!- one more question » Tepiaca, posted by ace on January 21, 2003, at 1:37:31
Wow, Ace, I may have to follow you. . . . I have been considering Nardil for quite some time. What is most amazing is that if you do an internet search on Nardil, it is 90% positive things . . . and half the negatives are people saying they had to get off it for some reason and wish they could get back on it because of its great efficacy. Ok, I got some questions for you Ace, or anyone else.
1. How long have you been on it? How long did it take to get an AD response?
2. What were the initial side effects like? How do they compare to other drugs, particularly SSRIs?
3. How bad was the washout period between other drugs and Nardil?--this is what I am most worried about and why I am considering trying one more ssri before I go to Nardil.
Thanks for your help.
Posted by Jack Smith on January 21, 2003, at 19:29:36
In reply to Re: I AM THE CHAMPION OF NARDIL!- one more question » Tepiaca, posted by ace on January 21, 2003, at 1:37:31
Don't take this the wrong way, I really want to believe what you are saying but is there any chance you are experiencing the side effect of euphoria or perhaps are manic. I certainly hope you are not, I just wonder because you sound almost too good on this drug.
Posted by ace on January 21, 2003, at 20:32:20
In reply to Euphoria or Mania?, posted by Jack Smith on January 21, 2003, at 19:29:36
> Don't take this the wrong way, I really want to believe what you are saying but is there any chance you are experiencing the side effect of euphoria or perhaps are manic. I certainly hope you are not, I just wonder because you sound almost too good on this drug.
Jack -- I can totally understand your reaction. No offense taken. I do believe very, very seldom I have experienced euphoria on Nardil. But my happiness comes from being free of the incessant pain of my past problems. To be able to walk outside my house with no fright, to be able to be free of past OCD pain (which I could never see abated), to be focused and motivated and very happy -- all this adds up to a GREAT peace and happiness. And, of course, Nardil is a great antideppresant which natural causes happiness and motivation -- I have experienced this happiness. All of us on Nardil know the reaction. It's sublime.
Keep in mind I express my self strongly, whether it be annoyance or anger or happiness. I am a little eccentric! But don't let this detract from my Nardil posts. I have NEVER - i repeat NEVER - been as happy as I am on this drug. I have used alcohol in the past a lot -- it also made me very happy (I am a happy drunk!) and blunted my anxiety. BUT NOWHERE NEAR AS MUCH AS NARDIL!
I am not Bipolar. Never have I been manic or euphoric in the past. My happiness is completely rational. My past reactions to other drugs have never been like this.
I truly wish others could experience this peace.
Posted by Jack Smith on January 21, 2003, at 20:39:43
In reply to Re: Euphoria or Mania? » Jack Smith, posted by ace on January 21, 2003, at 20:32:20
I just wanted to make sure that this wasn't some temporary euphoria and you were readying yourself for a crash. . . . Anyway, I would no doubt be as happy as you if I experienced 100% relief.
Speaking of drinking, do you drink on nardil??
Thank you so much for sharing your experience, it really gives me hope that if other things don't work, the nardil is there.
Posted by ace on January 21, 2003, at 20:53:34
In reply to Re: I AM THE CHAMPION OF NARDIL!-ACE, posted by Jack Smith on January 21, 2003, at 12:02:49
> Wow, Ace, I may have to follow you. . . . I have been considering Nardil for quite some time. What is most amazing is that if you do an internet search on Nardil, it is 90% positive things . . .
I have never seen any body not respond to this med unless they have not given it a proper trial (1-12 weeks, 90mg might be needed)
and half the negatives are people saying they had to get off it for some reason and wish they could get back on it because of its great efficacy. Ok, I got some questions for you Ace, or anyone else.
>
> 1. How long have you been on it? How long did it take to get an AD response?It took 6 weeks to get the AD reaction. 4 of those weeks were at 60mg. 60mg gave me a very good AD response, and anti-phobic response. OCD was moderately helped with this dose. We have upped the dose to 90mg. Just short of a week, already OCD has been helped. At 90mg for 4 weeks ocd will be gone. Been on it for around 2 months.
> 2. What were the initial side effects like? How do they compare to other drugs, particularly SSRIs?Here is my s/e in chronological order. On Zoloft I experienced no s/e at all the 1st time. The 2nd time GI distress.
1.Difficutly sleeping (the 1st night only)
2.Cognitive problems - impaired memory, concentration, confusion, disorientation.
3.Loss of pleasure in enjoyable activities.
4.Sore throat, flu-like syptoms, drowsiness, apathy, mild anhedonia.
5. misplace things, co-ordination impaired, speech difficulties -- drunk-like behaviour (but did NOT feel drunk)
6.chest pain, stomach pain
7. dry mouth.
8.Dark urine.
9.Appetite for food decreased.
10. disturbed sleep (woke up during night, due to REM interference -- this has now passed)
11. after smoking tobacco, dizziness, headspin (still around a little at times)
12. sex drive decreased (it was increased for a while)
13. Constipation.
14. sense of time distortion (days felt like one)
15. VERY slight weight gain
16. Anorgasmia.There are others but I forgot. Please, please don't let this scare you. The s/effects usually pasted quick (except constipation and anorgasmia, but there are things you CAN DO ABOUT THESE) Some people, Djmmm I think, have far less s/e. But, I tell you, I would gladly put up with A THOUSAND MORE FOR THE BENIFIT OF NARDIL!
My s/e now are anorgasmia, decreased sex drive and pronounce afternoon drowsiness (I like the drowsiness!)
> 3. How bad was the washout period between other drugs and Nardil?--this is what I am most worried about and why I am considering trying one more ssri before I go to Nardil.My Zoloft washout was 2 weeks. I felt no decline it it's (lacklustre) benefits. The washout wasn't bad.
> Thanks for your help.
Thankyou!!
Posted by ace on January 21, 2003, at 21:02:29
In reply to Re: Euphoria or Mania?, posted by Jack Smith on January 21, 2003, at 20:39:43
> I just wanted to make sure that this wasn't some temporary euphoria and you were readying yourself for a crash. . . . Anyway, I would no doubt be as happy as you if I experienced 100% relief.
>
> Speaking of drinking, do you drink on nardil??In the 3rd week of Nardil I drank 4 bottled beers -- It made me very drunk with bad head spin and dizziness. I havent drank since I've been on Nardil.
Quite frankly, I don't feel the need to drink now. For a few months before Nardil I was drinking very heavily, getting drunk every day almost. Even in the washout period. When I go to a pub now water is fine. I am more than happy enough and free of fear without alcohol.
But, yes, on Nardil you are allowed to drink bottled or canned beer from big manafactures.
> Thank you so much for sharing your experience, it really gives me hope that if other things don't work, the nardil is there.Other things might let you down, but Nardil won't. Up until my 6th week I remained certain it would work -- and boy it did!!!!
All the best,
Andrew.
Posted by ace on January 21, 2003, at 21:09:33
In reply to Re: I AM THE CHAMPION OF NARDIL!- one more question, posted by djmmm on January 21, 2003, at 8:14:27
> I so happy for you! I have been trying to convince people here to AT LEAST consider Nardil... Your response to this drug is NOT uncommon, It happend to me. After a few weeks on Nardil I considered myself "cured" from social phobia..not in the lethargic, anesthetized way that other meds created, but truely free. It was a profound experience.
I am very happy for you too, Djmmm! The Nardil experience is truly amazing! I think it's excellant that your recommending Nardil -- it's way to underused. I'm doing my best to open eyes too, Djmmm!
> As far as the diet, you said you have eaten Pizza, chocolate, alcohol...the great majority of people on MAOIs CAN eat/drink these things. I have never met anyone who had a response to chocolate, pizza... or beer for that matter.
>
> I hope everyone reads your post, maybe then, the negative stigma of MAOIs being the deadliest, most difficult, and annoying meds will finally be squashed.Annoying? Nardil? Maybe brilliant and easy to take are better descriptions!
Posted by lonesomeloser on January 22, 2003, at 1:05:56
In reply to Euphoria or Mania?, posted by Jack Smith on January 21, 2003, at 19:29:36
> Don't take this the wrong way, I really want to believe what you are saying but is there any chance you are experiencing the side effect of euphoria or perhaps are manic. I certainly hope you are not, I just wonder because you sound almost too good on this drug.
Thats how the medicos' found out about the MAOI antidepressive action in the first place.
The TB patients were jumping out of bed, happy as larks, according to the liturature of the time (1940's I think), many were indeed in a manic
or sub-manic state, but many just felt good.I truly hope Ace is experiencing the real deal: a total banishment of this dreaded, demoralizing Ahedonia/Depression/Social Phobia/Aniety complex that Nardil is famous for helping tremendously.
Posted by ace on January 22, 2003, at 20:28:20
In reply to Re: Euphoria or Mania?, posted by lonesomeloser on January 22, 2003, at 1:05:56
> > Don't take this the wrong way, I really want to believe what you are saying but is there any chance you are experiencing the side effect of euphoria or perhaps are manic. I certainly hope you are not, I just wonder because you sound almost too good on this drug.
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> Thats how the medicos' found out about the MAOI antidepressive action in the first place.
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> The TB patients were jumping out of bed, happy as larks, according to the liturature of the time (1940's I think), many were indeed in a manic
> or sub-manic state, but many just felt good.
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> I truly hope Ace is experiencing the real deal: a total banishment of this dreaded, demoralizing Ahedonia/Depression/Social Phobia/Aniety complex that Nardil is famous for helping tremendously.
Don't worry -- I am definately experiencing the real deal. Not mania, but just happiness, peace and a sense of well being. I am happy as a lark but I'm not going around kissing people, telling everyone the world is a excellant place etc. etc.
My anxiety is gone -- this is excellant! All my adult life I havent had the motivation to do my washing, caring for my body etc. etc. Nardil has given me that motivation and I enjoy that stuff now! Brilliant! My Mum is more manic than me! I am washing my clothes more than 3 or 4 times every 6 months!!!!Since the age of 14 I have always been an unhappy person. In spite of my own determined psychotherapeutic strategies I had not a great deal of success. I will never give in, and Nardil is a Godsend. People have noticed I always have looked troubled, unhappy, hiding -- Nardil has turned that around. For once I am at peace with myself...
Posted by judy1 on January 23, 2003, at 10:32:16
In reply to Re: Euphoria or Mania? » lonesomeloser, posted by ace on January 22, 2003, at 20:28:20
I'm delighted you were able to find such complete relief with a med. I also wanted to add as a veteran of many manic episodes- you sound happy, not manic. congratulations!-judy
Posted by ace on January 23, 2003, at 21:57:49
In reply to Re: Euphoria or Mania? » ace, posted by judy1 on January 23, 2003, at 10:32:16
> I'm delighted you were able to find such complete relief with a med. I also wanted to add as a veteran of many manic episodes- you sound happy, not manic. congratulations!-judy
Thanks heaps Judy! I really appreciate your comments. Ever tries Nardil yourself?
Posted by judy1 on January 24, 2003, at 10:59:07
In reply to Re: Hey thanks Judy! » judy1, posted by ace on January 23, 2003, at 21:57:49
That's a guaranteed manic state and probably hospital for me. Have you considered being a pharmaceutical rep? take care, judy
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