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Posted by janejj on January 6, 2002, at 19:02:18
Hey there,
I'm taking Wellbutrin with Prozac to counteract the sexual side effects of the SSRI.
So....um...when does my libido come back !??? How many weeks did you have to wait ? I've been on it for roughly three weeks and just upped the dose from 150mg to 300mg.
What's your experience ?
Thanks, Jane
Posted by Bekka H. on January 6, 2002, at 20:56:47
In reply to Anyone taking Wellbutrin SEX!!!!!!!, posted by janejj on January 6, 2002, at 19:02:18
> Hey there,
>
> I'm taking Wellbutrin with Prozac to counteract the sexual side effects of the SSRI.
>
> So....um...when does my libido come back !??? How many weeks did you have to wait ? I've been on it for roughly three weeks and just upped the dose from 150mg to 300mg.
>
> What's your experience ?
>
> Thanks, Jane
**************************************************I have never taken Wellbutrin with Prozac, but I did combine Wellbutrin with another SSRI, Zoloft, for 1.5 years. I had taken each of those drugs separately before combining them. I'm sorry to say that, FOR ME, the Wellbutrin never counteracted the sexual dysfunction and general apathy induced by the SSRI. This was true no matter how much Wellbutrin I took or how little Zoloft I took. Later, I combined Celexa, an SSRI, with Dexedrine, an amphetamine. Again, the same thing happened. Celexa completely negated all that was good about the stimulant. This occurred regardless of how much I raised or lowered the Celexa and the Dexedrine. My case might not be that representative of these SSRI+stimulant combos, but for me, they were not only a huge disappointment, but I feel they made me worse. I do not do well on SSRIs regardless of what is added to them. And, for me, the SSRIs destroyed all that was helpful about the meds they were combined with. I don't have anything good to say about SSRIs. I do think that Wellbutrin and other stimulants can do some good in some people, but not when combined with SSRIs.
Posted by jimmygold70 on January 7, 2002, at 3:04:12
In reply to Anyone taking Wellbutrin SEX!!!!!!!, posted by janejj on January 6, 2002, at 19:02:18
Accorning to Prof. Avi Weizmann, The No. 1 psychopharmacologist in Israel, adding a small dose of Remeron (i.e. 15mg) to any SSRI is the best treatment for sexual side effects.
Don't expect much from Wellbutrin concerning this.
Jimmy
Posted by Katey on January 7, 2002, at 14:47:56
In reply to Re: Anyone taking Wellbutrin SEX!!!!!!! » janejj, posted by jimmygold70 on January 7, 2002, at 3:04:12
the combination calmed me down and stabilized me, which is nice. it didnt make my hormones disapear, but it didnt make them overly dominant. i suppose you could say it put hormones on the back burner, still warm, but not boiling over. wait awhile and see what happens.
> Accorning to Prof. Avi Weizmann, The No. 1 psychopharmacologist in Israel, adding a small dose of Remeron (i.e. 15mg) to any SSRI is the best treatment for sexual side effects.
>
> Don't expect much from Wellbutrin concerning this.
>
> Jimmy
Posted by ST on January 7, 2002, at 17:36:37
In reply to Anyone taking Wellbutrin SEX!!!!!!!, posted by janejj on January 6, 2002, at 19:02:18
Hi Jane,
I've been on 300 mg. Wellbutrin with SSRIs for four years now and my sex drive has gone doooooooowwwwn. I don't think Wellbutrin really helps. Or maybe I'd have NO sex drive if I wasn't on it with my SSRI. Who knows.
Good luck,
Sarah
> Hey there,
>
> I'm taking Wellbutrin with Prozac to counteract the sexual side effects of the SSRI.
>
> So....um...when does my libido come back !??? How many weeks did you have to wait ? I've been on it for roughly three weeks and just upped the dose from 150mg to 300mg.
>
> What's your experience ?
>
> Thanks, Jane
Posted by JDavid on January 8, 2002, at 12:36:27
In reply to Re: Anyone taking Wellbutrin SEX!!!!!!! » janejj, posted by jimmygold70 on January 7, 2002, at 3:04:12
> Accorning to Prof. Avi Weizmann, The No. 1 psychopharmacologist in Israel, adding a small dose of Remeron (i.e. 15mg) to any SSRI is the best treatment for sexual side effects.
>Hi,
THIS IS a very interesting matter!
I've sexual lack due to my depression, not for usage of SSRI.
Parhaps taking a little dose of remeron (p.e. 7,5mg) could enhance my sexual drive?
I'll will immediately taste this beginnig take this evening (cause the somnolence) 7,5mg at once.
Any other experience of use of drugs for sex lack?
I'll report you if i get any right effect on this low dosage of remeron.
I think it is extremely important to share own experience or success about this matter!
Bye
Posted by jimmygold70 on January 8, 2002, at 18:27:44
In reply to REMERON agaist sex lack?, posted by JDavid on January 8, 2002, at 12:36:27
Good luck, please report back !
Jimmy
Posted by janejj on January 10, 2002, at 0:42:15
In reply to Re: REMERON agaist sex lack? » JDavid, posted by jimmygold70 on January 8, 2002, at 18:27:44
Well since I stopped taking Wellbutrin, my sex drive seems to have come back even though i'm still taking 20mg of Prozac, weird hey !
Jane
Posted by sid on January 10, 2002, at 13:44:03
In reply to its come back!, posted by janejj on January 10, 2002, at 0:42:15
Posted by BLPBart on January 14, 2002, at 12:13:36
In reply to its come back!, posted by janejj on January 10, 2002, at 0:42:15
I've been on prozac and wellbutrin and have decided to drop the prozac. I'm having side effects such as no libido, muscle pain fatigue, etc which the wellbutrin didn't seem to counteract. I want to see how the wellbutrin alone works and if the fatigue and other side effects go away. It's been less than a week so I'll have to wait a while.
> Well since I stopped taking Wellbutrin, my sex drive seems to have come back even though i'm still taking 20mg of Prozac, weird hey !
>
> Jane
Posted by cinn65 on July 6, 2002, at 22:02:26
In reply to Re: its come back!, posted by BLPBart on January 14, 2002, at 12:13:36
Hi BLPBart,
Just wondering how you were doing on the Wellbutrin alone. I have just quit Prozac and am taking Wellbutrin only. (I have only taken it for 3 days.) I was interested to see how you are feeling now, since I was having some of the same side effects from Prozac that you mentioned. Also, what dosage of WB are you on? Thanks!
Cinn
Posted by Gundy on December 15, 2002, at 10:15:09
In reply to Re: Anyone taking Wellbutrin SEX!!!!!!! » janejj, posted by jimmygold70 on January 7, 2002, at 3:04:12
I can attest to the sexual properties of Remeron. Unfortunately, Remeron makes you stupid and can kill you if you combine it with marijuana. There is a much better drug that has good antidepressant properties, doesn't make you stupid, and can even cause spontaneous orgasms (probably not in SSRI users). It's called amineptine, but it's not approved by the FDA because it's TOO sexual, so they thought people might abuse it.... it is legal in the US to posess a three month supply and you can buy it off the internet.
There are other drugs safer and with fewer side effects than remeron which have not been approved by the FDA for reasons unrelated to saftey, you can find them if you're willing to look beyond conventiona medical orthodoxy.
Posted by SLS on December 16, 2002, at 13:47:45
In reply to SPONTANEOUS ORGASMS: AMINEPTINE, posted by Gundy on December 15, 2002, at 10:15:09
> It's called amineptine, but it's not approved by the FDA because it's TOO sexual, so they thought people might abuse it....
Amineptine (Survector) was withdrawn from market worldwide several years ago. There are a few different reasons why, but I don't recall that abuse for its sexual effects was one of them. Among the reasons stated (but in my opinion unjustified):1. Abuse as a psychostimulant
2. Abuse as an athletic performance enhancer (banned by the IOC)
3. Severe acne as a side-effect
4. Inferior rate of responseAlthough spontaneous orgasm is listed as a potential side-effect, I haven't seen anyone on Psycho-Babble report it over the three years I have been posting here. Does it affect you this way?
- Scott
Posted by Thygrrr on December 17, 2002, at 17:43:32
In reply to Re: Spontaneous orgasms: amineptine, posted by SLS on December 16, 2002, at 13:47:45
Ha!
Just my two €0.02 or $0.02: Spontaneous Orgasms would suck big time. Lol, what a mess. Just imagine it happening while taking a test, driving a car ... dangerous, too.
Interestingly, my SSRI (Venlafaxin) makes me horny as hell but has made reaching a climax and actually orgasming very very difficult, even at the low 75 mg dosage I'm on.
My former girlfriend was on a higher dose of Effexor, even, and was quite a nymphomaniac. She also had no problems whatsoever with orgasms... so maybe you want to switch to Venlafaxin, too?
Edronax (Reboxetine, NARI) did the opposite: The ejaculation came several seconds before the orgasm (wacky and messy affair, I tell you, though it was fun to experiment with orgasmless ejaculation), then rather painful orgasms, and generally earlier orgasms. It also caused close to total impotence during the first two weeks. Using a simple erectile aid such as a rubber band does help if one really needs it, though :p
Posted by Jacob on December 17, 2002, at 20:54:32
In reply to Re: Spontaneous orgasms: amineptine, posted by SLS on December 16, 2002, at 13:47:45
Severe Acne? Hey no problem.... just add some Accutane and you can cure the acne and have severe depression again.
Aren't pharmaceuticals wonderful?
>
>
> Amineptine (Survector) was withdrawn from market worldwide several years ago. There are a few different reasons why> 1. Abuse as a psychostimulant
> 2. Abuse as an athletic performance enhancer (banned by the IOC)
> 3. Severe acne as a side-effect
> 4. Inferior rate of response
>
> Although spontaneous orgasm is listed as a potential side-effect, I haven't seen anyone on Psycho-Babble report it over the three years I have been posting here. Does it affect you this way?
>
>
> - Scott
Posted by dave40252 on December 19, 2002, at 15:02:50
In reply to Re: Spontaneous orgasms: amineptine, posted by Thygrrr on December 17, 2002, at 17:43:32
THE GOOD DRUG GUIDE
"..... Amineptine (Survector) is a clean-ish, (relatively) selective dopamine reuptake blocker. Higher doses promote dopamine release too. Amineptine is pro-sexual and liable occasionally to cause spontaneous orgasms. It is a mild but pleasant psychostimulant and a fast-acting mood-brightener. Amineptine is also a clinically useful antidepressant. Unlike other tricyclics, it doesn't impair libido or cognitive function. It has a small but non-negligible abuse-potential. Unlike typical stimulants and other activating agents, amineptine may actually improve sleep architecture. Amineptine can be an especially valuable agent for melancholic, anhedonic and unmotivated people whose mood is sometimes worsened by SSRIs.Amineptine isn't marketed or licensed in Britain and America. In Europe, the medication has been driven onto the pharmaceutical grey market. This is because FDA pressure led to the withdrawal of amineptine's EC product-license early in 1999, causing substantial problems for patients and physicians alike. In 2002, amineptine is still available in parts of South America. It is off-patent, but not cheap. Optimal dosage is variable; but typically 100mg-250mg per day. No exact substitute for amineptine is currently on offer or in prospect...."
Posted by Geezer on December 19, 2002, at 15:28:25
In reply to Re: Spontaneous orgasms: amineptine, posted by dave40252 on December 19, 2002, at 15:02:50
> THE GOOD DRUG GUIDE
> "..... Amineptine (Survector) is a clean-ish, (relatively) selective dopamine reuptake blocker. Higher doses promote dopamine release too. Amineptine is pro-sexual and liable occasionally to cause spontaneous orgasms. It is a mild but pleasant psychostimulant and a fast-acting mood-brightener. Amineptine is also a clinically useful antidepressant. Unlike other tricyclics, it doesn't impair libido or cognitive function. It has a small but non-negligible abuse-potential. Unlike typical stimulants and other activating agents, amineptine may actually improve sleep architecture. Amineptine can be an especially valuable agent for melancholic, anhedonic and unmotivated people whose mood is sometimes worsened by SSRIs.
>
> Amineptine isn't marketed or licensed in Britain and America. In Europe, the medication has been driven onto the pharmaceutical grey market. This is because FDA pressure led to the withdrawal of amineptine's EC product-license early in 1999, causing substantial problems for patients and physicians alike. In 2002, amineptine is still available in parts of South America. It is off-patent, but not cheap. Optimal dosage is variable; but typically 100mg-250mg per day. No exact substitute for amineptine is currently on offer or in prospect...."
>
>I couldn't care about the orgasm part of the drug but the rest of it may have been a real benefit. There is no end to the damage done by the FDA.
Posted by joy on December 19, 2002, at 16:14:08
In reply to Re: Spontaneous orgasms: amineptine » dave40252, posted by Geezer on December 19, 2002, at 15:28:25
I totally agree with you about the FDA...just think; a drug that really brightens your mood with elevated sexual effects......oh no, not gonna let anybody have that.....get fat and dysfunctional with what we have now......keep us in our place and charge a fortune for it too....Okay, I'm a little cynical; sorry about that!
Joy
Posted by Geezer on December 19, 2002, at 17:13:51
In reply to Re: Spontaneous orgasms: amineptine » Geezer, posted by joy on December 19, 2002, at 16:14:08
> I totally agree with you about the FDA...just think; a drug that really brightens your mood with elevated sexual effects......oh no, not gonna let anybody have that.....get fat and dysfunctional with what we have now......keep us in our place and charge a fortune for it too....Okay, I'm a little cynical; sorry about that!
> JoyHi Joy,
I would say you have every right to be "cynical" - makes me d*** angry. Don't you wish they would spend their time checking the labels on canned corn in the grocery store and stay out of medicine completely? OK Dr. Bob - my last word on the subject no need to redirect.
Posted by mariarp on February 3, 2004, at 18:41:41
In reply to Re: Spontaneous orgasms: amineptine » Geezer, posted by joy on December 19, 2002, at 16:14:08
I don't believe you read "jacob"'s reply on why this particular drug could be a problem.
> I totally agree with you about the FDA...just think; a drug that really brightens your mood with elevated sexual effects......oh no, not gonna let anybody have that.....get fat and dysfunctional with what we have now......keep us in our place and charge a fortune for it too....Okay, I'm a little cynical; sorry about that!
> Joy
Posted by Eddie Sylvano on February 4, 2004, at 16:12:33
In reply to SPONTANEOUS ORGASMS: AMINEPTINE, posted by Gundy on December 15, 2002, at 10:15:09
> I can attest to the sexual properties of Remeron. Unfortunately, Remeron makes you stupid and can kill you if you combine it with marijuana.
----------Where did this reasearch come from?
Posted by mariarp on February 4, 2004, at 23:11:40
In reply to Re: Spontaneous orgasms: amineptine, posted by mariarp on February 3, 2004, at 18:41:41
Personally I would rather be fat than have acne. Weight can be lost, but bad acne can cause scars. Plus I don't see why everyone is so caught up on sex and orgasms.
Personally I think there is more to life. It's fun yeah, but it just wastes my time when I could be doing something productive.
Plus with VD and kids scampering everywhere... i would rather have my life.
Posted by Chairman_MAO on February 5, 2004, at 8:06:39
In reply to Re: Spontaneous orgasms: amineptine, posted by mariarp on February 4, 2004, at 23:11:40
We may be so caught up on sex and orgasms because:
-In depression one loses interest in that
AND
-A lot of drugs for depression dampen libido
and/or impair sexual function.
AND
-I can only speak for myself, but I'm sure there are others like me for whom sex is one of the few remaining pleasures they have access to right now.
AND
-Healthy sex is good physically and psychologically
AND
-It is a healthy form of tension release--a much healthier PRN than Ativan!I could go on ...
Posted by mariarp on February 5, 2004, at 12:39:09
In reply to Re: Spontaneous orgasms: amineptine » mariarp, posted by Chairman_MAO on February 5, 2004, at 8:06:39
My point was not that sex all together is a bad thing. I agree that sex is a very good thing. However, it is not all there is to life.Sex helps relieve tension and stress, yes, there is no arguing that. Nevertheless, I believe the negatives outweigh the positives on this subject.
I know people who enter society only to find someone to have a little fun with and then throw to the dogs. Of course I am not implying that everyone who likes sex is like this. Per contra, I am implying that the majority of people in not only committed relationships, but also in short-termed relationships never quite fully have a grasp of what they are putting at stake.
Safety is my key concern with today's public. When you pick someone up in a bar, and perhaps if you are "lucky" take them home, do you ever stop to ask have you been tested for any VD?”,n most cases, no is the answer. Te other few percent that do think to ask such a question usually continue the act if the reply is "Yes, I have been tested, and no, I have no VD." If someone of stable mind had planned out a murder, do you honestly think they would plead guilty? This is one in the same, because knowingly transporting VD to a non-carrier, if life-threatening, IS consciously conspiring a murder. Therefore there are even a smaller percentage of people who decide not to go through with the act unless the partner has been tested, and once tested witnessing the proof first-hand.
Many people are also unaware that they can be with their partner for years, and never see any signs of HIV. HIV can lie dormant for years before it ever turns into AIDS or it could never even progress into anything other than HIV. That does not mean because your partner has HIV, but it has been dormant his whole life, means that since you contracted it from him it will lie dormant in you.
On the other side of the spectrum there are the people who believe that a condom is the answer to their problems. While condoms have an 85% annual success rate in protecting against pregnancy. That's a 15% failure rate. But a woman can get pregnant only about 6 days per month. HIV can infect a person 31 days per month.
Latex rubber, from which latex gloves and condoms are made, has tiny, naturally occurring voids or capillaries measuring on the order of one micron in diameter. The human immunodeficiency virus is one half micron. So what's all this stuff about safe sex?
Now I don't know about you, but I know that sex is not more important than my life, no matter how depressed I am. If you are concerned with having pleasures in your life find something else to do besides risking death, or adding to the overpopulation problem.
If anything focus on pleasuring yourself by expanding your mind. It is true that a mind is a terrible thing to waste, and the normal human being only takes advantage of 10% of the space in his brain so there is 90% more storage to use. If you focus on bettering yourself before you know it your depression will fade (although medicine might help as well). It is also important to know that just because you are on medicine for depression doesn’t mean you don’t have to work to get better. If you think the medicine won’t work, more than likely it won’t. If you help along your medicine by learning and trying hard to think positive no matter what, before you know it you will be better. It is all about mind over matter.
It has been found that stimulating your mind you will also cause about a 63% lower risk of dementia in the future.Trust me, I have been there, and I never thought I would get better. I was suicidal, and was to be put in a mental ward. Sooner or later it is either help yourself, or disappear. It’s your choice.
Posted by little love-bug on February 5, 2004, at 14:57:40
In reply to Re: Spontaneous orgasms: amineptine, posted by Thygrrr on December 17, 2002, at 17:43:32
>
I currently just stopped taking lexapro, like you were saying lexapro made me horney as hell but I had a hell of a time getting off. Everything felt nice but climaxing took forever. that's my $.02.
love-bug-
Ha!
>
> Just my two €0.02 or $0.02: Spontaneous Orgasms would suck big time. Lol, what a mess. Just imagine it happening while taking a test, driving a car ... dangerous, too.
>
> Interestingly, my SSRI (Venlafaxin) makes me horny as hell but has made reaching a climax and actually orgasming very very difficult, even at the low 75 mg dosage I'm on.
>
> My former girlfriend was on a higher dose of Effexor, even, and was quite a nymphomaniac. She also had no problems whatsoever with orgasms... so maybe you want to switch to Venlafaxin, too?
>
> Edronax (Reboxetine, NARI) did the opposite: The ejaculation came several seconds before the orgasm (wacky and messy affair, I tell you, though it was fun to experiment with orgasmless ejaculation), then rather painful orgasms, and generally earlier orgasms. It also caused close to total impotence during the first two weeks. Using a simple erectile aid such as a rubber band does help if one really needs it, though :p
>
>
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